Re: large mailboxes
On Wednesday, May 4, 2005, 2:15:40 AM, The wrote: TFC> Hello Jarle H. Knudsen TFC> On Monday, May 2, 2005, 2:32:30 PM +0400 GMT TFC> You wrote: JHK>> Seems like the built-in backup is useless for me. I currenly have JHK>> 2,4 GB of mail, and growing. TFC> darn that's a lot of emails! TFC> I've been keeping all my emails for almost 10 years now and I dont have that much I have currently 3.4 Gb of mail, and that is only since "the big disk crash" I had in 2001. I back up to an external hard disk, a USB2 device. I use a product called SynchroMagic which checks file sizes and last mod dates, and only copied files that have changed. It works well for me. I have previously tried to use The Bat! built in sync facilities (to keep a laptop and a desktop in sync) but it never worked well. I now prefer to have my backups as just regular files, not as some odd backup format. -- Chris Lilleymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Chair, W3C SVG Working Group W3C Graphics Activity Lead http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: large mailboxes
hiyall, >> "Backup files larger than 2GB may not then be restored" JHK> Seems like the built-in backup is useless for me. I currenly have JHK> 2,4 GB of mail, and growing. maybe it would be possible to split them into multiple pseudo-accounts - I e.g. use such accounts as yearly archive containers... -- kind regards, Shalom NOrbert using TB 3.0.1.33 http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: large mailboxes
Hello ETM, > Recipes in email form don't require bookshelf > space and dusting and I plan to live at least that > much longer . > > > Elaine (70 this year) Congratulations for your age and spirit :) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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>> Cooking is a hobby, and I also maintain about 7000 >> recipes in email form,... > 7000 recipes? H..., if you wanted to try a > different one every day it would take you almost > 20 years to try them all ;-) Recipes in email form don't require bookshelf space and dusting and I plan to live at least that much longer . -- Elaine (70 this year) http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: large mailboxes
Hello ETM, > Cooking is a hobby, and I also maintain about 7000 > recipes in email form,... 7000 recipes? H..., if you wanted to try a different one every day it would take you almost 20 years to try them all ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.5 Return RC2 http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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> darn that's a lot of emails! > I've been keeping all my emails for almost 10 > years now and I dont have that much I do have that much mail and more because I use my mail program as a searchable filing cabinet. I have even committed data to email that is saved (not sent) and then moved to its folder (of the current 307 folders) and that mail might well contain an image of a census sheet or a map. It makes life comfortable for me since my primary interest is genealogy and handling about 1000 emails a day from related mailing lists. While I might keep only a few of those mailing list posts, I find the mail program itself is the most easily searched information source on my computer, so the mail is retained in its file folder. Cooking is a hobby, and I also maintain about 7000 recipes in email form, allowing me to search for an ingredient or name when I am after a specific recipe. It works for me. Elaine http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: large mailboxes
Hello The, JHK>> Seems like the built-in backup is useless for me. I currenly have JHK>> 2,4 GB of mail, and growing. > > darn that's a lot of emails! > I've been keeping all my emails for almost 10 years now and I dont have that > much If you wish I can let you borrow about 1 GB of mine ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: large mailboxes
Hello Jarle H. Knudsen On Monday, May 2, 2005, 2:32:30 PM +0400 GMT You wrote: JHK> Seems like the built-in backup is useless for me. I currenly have JHK> 2,4 GB of mail, and growing. darn that's a lot of emails! I've been keeping all my emails for almost 10 years now and I dont have that much -- The Final Cut Have become comfortably numb.. TheBat 3.0.2.10 http://finalcut.ca/finalcut.asc http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: large mailboxes
> Seems like the built-in backup is useless for me. I currenly have > 2,4 GB of mail, and growing. My mail of about that same amount backs up to about a 500+ MB file. I do total backups, but believe they also can be incremental, just haven't tested that. I successfully restored just recently after reinstalling Windows. -- Elaine http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: large mailboxes
Monday, May 2, 2005, 2:41:19 PM, Britt Malka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Is the 2 GB limit for each mail folder, the total size of all folders, >> or perhaps the backup image? > It must be the backup image, because I was told that: > "Backup files larger than 2GB may not then be restored" Seems like the built-in backup is useless for me. I currenly have 2,4 GB of mail, and growing. -- jhk http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: large mailboxes
Hi Jarle, Sunday, May 1, 2005 at 1:15:05 PM you wrote: > Is the 2 GB limit for each mail folder, the total size of all folders, > or perhaps the backup image? It must be the backup image, because I was told that: "Backup files larger than 2GB may not then be restored" -- Kind regards, Britt Malka |\/| | \__/ | \/\/ | | \\ // \ / \/ ... I'll be back! Ha! You didn't know I was gonna say that, did you? ... www.malka.it - www.malka.dk - www.supermalka.dk ... http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: large mailboxes
Wednesday, February 2, 2005, 6:47:30 PM, Britt Malka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Be beware if you make a backup that you cannot restore more than 2 GB. Is the 2 GB limit for each mail folder, the total size of all folders, or perhaps the backup image? -- Jarle H. Knudsen http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: large mailboxes
ON Wednesday, February 2, 2005, 6:43:17 PM, you wrote: NL> if no messages are moving in and out, nothing happens of course... Which does not seem to be the case otherwise P+C would not take minutes. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Golf is a game where the ball always lies poorly and the player always lies well. Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: large mailboxes
hiyall, KS> Can someone tell why NOT compressing and purging the data increases KS> chances of data corruption. if there is substantial "movement" of messages in the folder, the mailbox file grows and becomes more and more fragmented as the system is only marking deleted mails as such... so the index handling gets more complicated and thus (as it seemed at least in former times) more prone to error if no messages are moving in and out, nothing happens of course... -- kind regards, Shalom NOrbert using TB 3.0.1.33 http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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* Gerard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [050202 11:37]: > > ON Wednesday, February 2, 2005, 4:18:58 PM, you wrote: > KS> Is there any chance with using the compression facility (even a remote > KS> chance) that I might lose data in any case? > > It is actually the other way around, if you do not use it the change for file > corruption increases. Can someone tell why NOT compressing and purging the data increases chances of data corruption. Shantanu -- http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi K., Wednesday, February 2, 2005 at 4:18:58 PM you wrote: > Is there any chance with using the compression facility (even a remote > chance) that I might lose data in any case? I don't think so, but with computers you can never be sure :-) Be beware if you make a backup that you cannot restore more than 2 GB. -- Kind regards, Britt Malka |\/| | \__/ | \/\/ | | \\ // \ / \/ ... -Have I got a big nose, Mum? -Stop thinking about sex! ... www.malka.it - www.malka.dk - www.supermalka.dk ... http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: large mailboxes
hiyall, G> ON Wednesday, February 2, 2005, 4:18:58 PM, you wrote: KS>> Is there any chance with using the compression facility (even a remote KS>> chance) that I might lose data in any case? G> It is actually the other way around, if you do not use it the change for file G> corruption increases. of course that way! that was what I meant... I just didn't notice the missing "with_out_ using the compression facility"... please read my other post accordingly - sorry for the fuzz -- kind regards, Shalom NOrbert using TB 3.0.1.33 http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: large mailboxes
ON Wednesday, February 2, 2005, 4:18:58 PM, you wrote: KS> Is there any chance with using the compression facility (even a remote KS> chance) that I might lose data in any case? It is actually the other way around, if you do not use it the change for file corruption increases. You will need to purge and compress depending on the number of emails you receive from once a day to once a month. More is better because it makes TB! work more efficient and therefore faster. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= It Is Time To Quit When... You leave the pin in when you are on the fringe 8 feet from the pin in the hope it will stop your ball. Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: large mailboxes
hiyall, > * Britt Malka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [050202 08:56]: KS> Thanks all for the tip. I will indeed remove Compression and see for KS> speed difference. KS> Is there any chance with using the compression facility (even a remote KS> chance) that I might lose data in any case? yes, there is! especially with heavy frequented and large mailboxes... well, at least there was a substantial chance of the mailbox getting corrupted some times ago... (I changed my behaviour and that of our users to regularly compress and purge the inbox those times, so we did not see any more of those problems for a long perios - of course I cannot tell, if this may have improved with The Bat's development, if we hadn't) I definitely would recommend _not_ to keep loads of mail in the Inbox as this will be growing even further day by day... what you like to keep, you should move to some other folder - when there is no much change in it, you can save the time for compression each day and do this on a sparse basis manually, but the Inbox should be cleaned up frequently! -- kind regards, Shalom NOrbert using TB 3.0.1.33 http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: large mailboxes
* Britt Malka <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [050202 08:56]: > Hi K., > > Wednesday, February 2, 2005 at 2:41:09 PM you wrote: > > > It shows "Compressing folders" for more than a couple of mins. Is > > there any way to get around this suitation? > > Yes. > > Account -> Properties -> Options -> Remove v from Compress folders on > exit. Thanks all for the tip. I will indeed remove Compression and see for speed difference. Is there any chance with using the compression facility (even a remote chance) that I might lose data in any case? Shantanu -- http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hi K., Wednesday, February 2, 2005 at 2:41:09 PM you wrote: > It shows "Compressing folders" for more than a couple of mins. Is > there any way to get around this suitation? Yes. Account -> Properties -> Options -> Remove v from Compress folders on exit. -- Kind regards, Britt Malka |\/| | \__/ | \/\/ | | \\ // \ / \/ ... Stay thy hand, fair prince. - Who said I'm fair? ... www.malka.it - www.malka.dk - www.supermalka.dk ... http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: large mailboxes
ON Wednesday, February 2, 2005, 2:41:09 PM, you wrote: KS> Hi, KS> A friend of mine has recently started using The Bat! and has over KS> 50,000 messages in it (most imported from OE). The problem is that it KS> takes quite a while to close The Bat!. It shows "Compressing folders" KS> for more than a couple of mins. KS> Is there any way to get around this suitation? Shantanu, That sounds normal. It all depends on how many mails he receives each day. I run TB! with about 125,000 emails and my solutions is to not purge & Compress each box on exit. In fact I don't do this at all except for my inbox because all email goes though the inbox. Instead I P&C once a day using a scheduled event. This way closing TB! is instantaneously. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Equipment - According to the rules of golf, equipment is "anything that can be thrown, broken, kicked, twisted, torn, crushed, shredded or mangled; or propelled, driven or directed, either under its own power or by means of a transfer of momentum, into underbrush, trees or other overgrown terrain; or over the edge of a natural or artificially elevated area; or below the surface of any body of water, whether moving or impounded." Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: large mailboxes
Dear K, @2-Feb-2005, 07:41 -0600 (02-Feb 13:41 UK time) K. Shantanu [KS] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: ... KS> takes quite a while to close The Bat!. It shows "Compressing folders" KS> for more than a couple of mins. KS> Is there any way to get around this suitation? The best way I find is to only compress the essential folders on exit and do the rest manually as a housekeeping exercise say once a week. Essentials are Inbox, Outbox and Sent. Do this by turning off the "Account properties ... Options ... Compress all folders on exit" option and then, for each of the folders I have mentioned, turn on the "Folder properties ... compress on exit" option. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
large mailboxes
Hi, A friend of mine has recently started using The Bat! and has over 50,000 messages in it (most imported from OE). The problem is that it takes quite a while to close The Bat!. It shows "Compressing folders" for more than a couple of mins. Is there any way to get around this suitation? Thanks, Shantanu -- http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
