Re: Pretending to use The Bat!

2005-02-21 Thread Carsten Thönges
been marked by MDaemon's Spam Blocker * 3.5 -- Forged mail pretending to be from The Bat! End of SpamAssassin results Some sysadmins are just stupid. I am NOT pretending to use The Bat!, I _am_ _using_ The Bat! As far as I know FORGET_MUA_THEBAT also checks whether the Message-ID is TB!-like

Re: Pretending to use The Bat!

2005-02-19 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Roman Katzer everyone else, on 19-Feb-2005 at 05:40 you (Roman Katzer) wrote: Interesting. This SpamAssassin must really be badly maintained. Actually, it's pretty well maintained Everyone can fake the X-Mailer header so that it contains the identification of a genuine mail program.

Re: Pretending to use The Bat!

2005-02-19 Thread MAU
Hello Mica, %COMMENT=This is The Bat!, (wo)man. :tbflag: Accept this fact, leave this message alone (virgo intacta) and live in peace. I think I'm going to do something like that. Great Idea! :-) But I doubt that anyone could talk effectively with an administrator, or even anti-spam

Re: Pretending to use The Bat!

2005-02-19 Thread MAU
Hello Robin, Well, so am I. But to prevent possible problems such as you encounter, I disguise my mailer slightly - see my X-mailer header. Actually, I use one of a list of 21 equivalents to The Bat! in a variety of languages. But that is still like hiding part of my identity and I don't see

Re: Pretending to use The Bat!

2005-02-19 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Alexander, On Sat, 19 Feb 2005 10:03:08 +0100 GMT (19/02/2005, 16:03 +0700 GMT), Alexander S. Kunz wrote: ASK Everyone can fake the X-Mailer header so that it contains the ASK identification of a genuine mail program. The spam I get claims to be (or ASK is) written with Microsoft Outlook

Re: Pretending to use The Bat!

2005-02-19 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Thomas Fernandez everyone else, on 19-Feb-2005 at 13:53 you (Thomas Fernandez) wrote: The faked X-Mailer a spam software created was a TB version, but there was another header in those mails that wold be created only by Outlook, X-MSMail-Priority: Normal. That's how the faked X-Mailer

Re: Pretending to use The Bat!

2005-02-19 Thread Mark Partous
Hello Alexander, Saturday, February 19, 2005, 3:08:08 PM, you wrote: ASK The ASK point is that a totally legit message created with TB v3.0.2.10 or 3.0.1.33 ASK will get a spam rating from SA because of the wrong FORGED_MUA_THEBAT ASK problem, so I'm back to my statement that they shouldn't

Pretending to use The Bat!

2005-02-18 Thread MAU
by MDaemon's Spam Blocker * 3.5 -- Forged mail pretending to be from The Bat! End of SpamAssassin results : Message contains [1] file attachments Some sysadmins are just stupid. I am NOT pretending to use The Bat!, I _am_ _using_ The Bat! -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain

Re: Pretending to use The Bat!

2005-02-18 Thread Marc Lewis
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hello All, Friday, February 18, 2005, 9:48:12 AM, MAU wrote: M As many of you know, blaming The Bat! for spam is not an new issue. Look M what I got yesterday: MDaemon has indentified your message as spam. It will not be delivered. From : [EMAIL

Re: Pretending to use The Bat!

2005-02-18 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
[1] file attachments Some sysadmins are just stupid. I am NOT pretending to use The Bat!, I _am_ _using_ The Bat! Interesting. This SpamAssassin must really be badly maintained. I sent a support inquiry to my provider yesterday because I get this in my mails as well, to be precise the very same

Re: Pretending to use The Bat!

2005-02-18 Thread Chris
MAU @ 2005-Feb-18 10:48:12 AM Pretending to use The Bat! mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] As many of you know, blaming The Bat! for spam is not an new issue. Look what I got yesterday: SNIP Start SpamAssassin results 6.50 points, 5 required; * 3.0 -- Message has been marked by MDaemon's Spam

Re: Pretending to use The Bat!

2005-02-18 Thread MAU
Hello Marc, What's the rest of the header look like? I didn't see anything identifying MUA or MTA in the section you quoted. What I quoted is the error message I received, not the headers. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 Winamp Playing:

Re: Pretending to use The Bat!

2005-02-18 Thread MAU
Hello Alexander, I told them that TheBat is not a forged MUA, but I have little hope that it will actually change anything, this topic has been brought up often enough and nothing has changed ever since. Yes, it is a difficult battle. What I did was to let the recipients know that their

Re: Pretending to use The Bat!

2005-02-18 Thread MAU
Hello Chris, You can turn off the X-Mailer header. Options - Preferences = General - UNCHECK Use X-Mailer header in messages Yes, I know. But I don't want to hide the fact that I am using The Bat!. I _am_ proud of using TB. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using

Re: Pretending to use The Bat!

2005-02-18 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Chris everyone else, on 18-Feb-2005 at 17:59 you (Chris) wrote: Because of its macros and templateing system, The Bat! has been considered a spam tool by some anti-spam companies. AFAIK there once was a bulk email software that would create fake X-Mailer headers. But, in that software

Re: Pretending to use The Bat!

2005-02-18 Thread Mica Mijatovic
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Fri, 18 Feb 2005, @ @ at 18:21:49 +0100, when MAU wrote: I don't want to hide the fact that I am using The Bat!. I _am_ proud of using TB. We have even TB flag(s). (-: So we can

Re: Pretending to use The Bat!

2005-02-18 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi MAU, on Fri, 18 Feb 2005 18:21:49 +0100GMT, you wrote: You can turn off the X-Mailer header. Options - Preferences = General - UNCHECK Use X-Mailer header in messages M Yes, I know. But I don't want to hide the fact that I am using The Bat!. You shouldn't. M I _am_ proud of using

Re: Pretending to use The Bat!

2005-02-18 Thread Robin Anson
On Sat 19 February 2005, 4:21:49 +1000, Mau wrote: Yes, I know. But I don't want to hide the fact that I am using The Bat!. I _am_ proud of using TB. Well, so am I. But to prevent possible problems such as you encounter, I disguise my mailer slightly - see my X-mailer header. Actually, I use

Re: Pretending to use The Bat!

2005-02-18 Thread Roman Katzer
On Friday, February 18, 2005, 11:45:37, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: Interesting. This SpamAssassin must really be badly maintained. Actually, it's pretty well maintained. They just have difficulties with adjusting to new TB versions but _will_ do their best to do so. Post a bug report at