Re: GMane - here we come
* Leif Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Just one remark ... http://article.gmane.org/gmane.test/1341 *This* is exactly how a link to an archive should look like. And everyone who compares the current archive's (IMHO close to unusable) web frontend with Gmane's Loom has to admit that Gmane *is* a good thing. Carsten -- Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: GMane - here we come
* Leif Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [...] *We believe the spam risk through Gmane to be the same or even less than the current list archives already in place.* The current list archive can easily be harvested. I wrote some time earlier (sorry, I have no Message-ID) how that can be done using some common tools like wget and sed. Gmane's spam protection is much better than mail-archive's. Carsten -- Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: GMane - here we come
* Leif Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Hello Thomas, Monday, March 8, 2004, 11:46:41 AM, you wrote: They are planning to eventually pump these feeds into mainstream usenet. Thomas Oh... Still with encrypted addresses, and I believe they will offer us the option of whether we want that to happen with our lists. We will be looking at that functionality very closely when or if it does become a reality. We should not forget that Gmane will just a *mirror*. The only one who decides which emails will go to list or will by blocked is the mailing list software respectively the list moderators. Carsten -- Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: GMane - here we come
Hi there Leif, Just ONE little clarification. On 23:22 08.03.2004, you [Leif Gregory] wrote... provided your From address is set to that which you have subscribed to the TB list, your message will post to the list and in doing so get posted to Gmane. Please, anyone, do not try to subscribe your encrypted Gmane address to this list. Just don't do it[1]. Trying this will result having the gmane domain in the server-wide ban file, ok? Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [1] TDMA-style confirmations will break your list subscribtion management (subscribe, monthly reminders, etc). -- Your conscience never stops you from doing anything. It just stops you from enjoying it. Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: GMane - here we come
Carsten Thönges wrote: CT The current list archive can easily be harvested. I wrote some time CT earlier (sorry, I have no Message-ID) how that can be done using CT some common tools like wget and sed. CT Gmane's spam protection is much better than mail-archive's. I've examined the source of a couple of those messages that have protected e-mail addresses. I could not find e-mail addresses withing them. -- -=allie_M=- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com ___..__ SecureBat! Lite v2.04.5 · WinXP Pro SP1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: GMane - here we come
* Allie Martin writes: Carsten Thönges wrote: CT The current list archive can easily be harvested. I wrote some time CT earlier (sorry, I have no Message-ID) how that can be done using CT some common tools like wget and sed. I've examined the source of a couple of those messages that have protected e-mail addresses. I could not find e-mail addresses withing them. An example: http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl%40thebat.dutaint.com/msg70060.html Look at HTML source of that page and you'll see: , | p | FORM METHOD=POST ACTION=/cgi-bin/Nomailto.pl | INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME=user VALUE=viscountess.drunkasaskunk ^ | INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME=host VALUE=lamiam.com ^^^ | INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME=subject VALUE=Re: GMane - here we come | INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME=msgid VALUE=[EMAIL PROTECTED] | Reply via email tobr | INPUT TYPE=SUBMIT VALUE= Deborah W ^ | /FORM ` No encryption at all and very easy to grab. Carsten -- pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: GMane - here we come
Hello Anne, Monday, March 8, 2004, 8:48:55 PM, you wrote: Anne I'd like to say that, despite being leery as I am about Anne usenet/open newsgroups, I feel this is worth a try. I've had a Anne good look at all the Gmane options and it seems as secure as Anne anything online can be. If we want total security we need to Anne unplug our modems and stay off the internet! :) That's what we like to hear!! grin Anne Thanks Marck, Allie and Leif for going into this as deeply as Anne you have done and for helping reassure this wary old ex-usenet Anne bunny! That's what we're here for. We love these lists and wouldn't do anything we even thought might hurt or disrupt them. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.04.4 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: GMane - here we come
Carsten Thönges wrote: Look at HTML source of that page and you'll see: snip No encryption at all and very easy to grab. I see what you mean. :) -- Cheers, Allie signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Spam Filter - Not Spam
I've been using the BayesIT! Spam filter for over a week, long enough to tag quite a few messages as Spam and several as Not Spam. I'm still having a problem with one set of messages. I support several servers. That includes getting messages from the server notifying that a virus was found. I currently have a filter that moves the message to the appropriate folder. The message from one of my clients continues to be marked as Spam. Here's the log message from one of them: 3/9/2004, 08:14:57: FILTER - Message from Administrator to [EMAIL PROTECTED] with subject [MailServer Notification]To Administrator virus found and action taken. scored 91, qualified as JUNK MAIL I keep on marking these messages as NOT Spam (I've been getting quite a few of them lately) but they are still going into the Junk folder. Any suggestions on eliminating this problem? Thanks. -- Michael Rudnick [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 2.04.7 on Windows XP 5.1 (2600) Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: GMane - here we come
Hello Leif! On Tuesday, March 09, 2004, 8:48 AM, you wrote: Anne ... If we want total security we need to Anne unplug our modems and stay off the internet! :) LG That's what we like to hear!! grin This is my me too message. Except for the extensive check of Gmane which Anne did, I echo her 100 per cent. As for checking, being such a novice, I simply put my total trust in you, Leif, and Marck and Allie. Anne Thanks Marck, Allie and Leif for going into this as deeply as Anne you have done and for helping reassure this wary old ex-usenet Anne bunny! Again, except for her long experience, I echo Anne. Thanks a million for your careful work and patient explanations on-list. LG That's what we're here for. We love these lists and wouldn't do LG anything we even thought might hurt or disrupt them. That is completely apparent to even the most casual glance and consideration. And you have made the lists themselves so lovable that I don't know how my life would feel without them. Certainly it would be poorer. They help me keep my copy of The Bat! going--and incidentally, from time to time, my OS too--and bring me happiness every day. Happiness is: TB! and its lists! -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: GMane - here we come
Carsten Thönges wrote: Look at HTML source of that page and you'll see: snip No encryption at all and very easy to grab. I see what you mean. :) -- -=[ Allie Martin ]=- | List Moderator PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com - Sadly using ThunderBird v0.5 at work on XP Pro ;) signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: GMane - here we come
Hello Allie, On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 21:31:03 -0500 GMT (09/03/2004, 09:31 +0700 GMT), Allie Martin wrote: We first did our research and assessed GMane's security ourselves since we don't exactly enjoy being spammed; neither do we wish to have our membership end up being spammed on account of our actions. The 3 moderators here all agreed that GMane is secure enough for what we wish to do. Please tell me you didn't just believe the theory on Gmane's own (marketing) website but have been subscribed for a while to a list mirrored via Gmane and talk from experience. -- Cheers, Thomas. Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste. Wer im Steinhaus sitzt, soll nicht mit Glaesern werfen. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.04.7 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A using a Pentium P4 1.7 GHz, 256MB RAM Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: GMane - here we come
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, March 9, 2004, 10:38:45 AM, you wrote: Thomas Please tell me you didn't just believe the theory on Gmane's Thomas own (marketing) website but have been subscribed for a while Thomas to a list mirrored via Gmane and talk from experience. Yes, I did. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.04.4 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: GMane - here we come
Hello Mary, Tuesday, March 9, 2004, 8:00:45 AM, you wrote: Mary I simply put my total trust in you, Leif, and Marck and Allie. That trust wouldn't happen to extend to your bank account would it? ;-) Mary That is completely apparent to even the most casual glance and Mary consideration. And you have made the lists themselves so lovable Mary that I don't know how my life would feel without them. Certainly Mary it would be poorer. That and Marck, Allie, and I would be in jail because we wouldn't have anything constructive to do with our time! grin -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Using The Bat! 2.05 Beta/1 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT exchange [was, Re: GMane - here we come]
Hello Leif! On Tuesday, March 09, 2004, 5:55 PM, you wrote: Mary I simply put my total trust in you, Leif, and Marck and Allie. LG That trust wouldn't happen to extend to your bank account would it? LG ;-) Now, which one of you is going to trout me for replying to this clearly OT turn of the thread? I might *lend* you a little to tide you over, if you were truly starving, but not directly out of the bank account. :) Didn't fall off a turnip truck yesterday--only the day before. G Mary That is completely apparent to even the most casual glance and Mary consideration. And you have made the lists themselves so lovable Mary that I don't know how my life would feel without them. Certainly Mary it would be poorer. LG That and Marck, Allie, and I would be in jail because we wouldn't have LG anything constructive to do with our time! grin It's plain you prefer fawning over List Subscribers to being fawned over! So where shall I send your mail, Leif? As in, Write me a letter, send it by mail, Send it in care of, Birmingham Jail? grin (42) -- Trillian -- Best regards, Mary The Bat! 2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: GMane - here we come
-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there Leif, Just ONE little clarification. On 23:22 08.03.2004, you [Leif Gregory] wrote... provided your From address is set to that which you have subscribed to the TB list, your message will post to the list and in doing so get posted to Gmane. Please, anyone, do not try to subscribe your encrypted Gmane address to this list. Just don't do it[1]. Trying this will result having the gmane domain in the server-wide ban file, ok? Cheers, Johannesmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] [1] TDMA-style confirmations will break your list subscribtion management (subscribe, monthly reminders, etc). TMDA breaks what you make it break. Just my clarification. -- kaishaku.reply-to = [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
