Re: The Bat! v. 2.12, full release is out
Hi Mary, On Tuesday, July 13, 2004 20:18 your local time, which was Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 02:18 my local time, Mary Bull [MB] wrote; 8-- MB with the subject line: MB The Bat!. Version 2.12 released 8-- MB The Bat!. Version 2.12 MB Date: 16 Jul 2004. 8-- Was I the only one to notice this, but what's with the date showing as 16th July with it already being available? wtf? -- Regards, Chris Created using The Bat! v2.12 RC/4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
White spot in the header
Hello all! I have a strange problem for a long time. And I don't know how to solve it. I have hidden message header by default. And if the selected message is signed, the header appears temporarily and looks like on the attached picture. How to change this white color to different color, similar to background? Please, help! PS. In TB! preferences | General | Messages | Header layout, in section Colours of Viewer, fields: Field value background and Field name background have custom colors - Button Face. -- With best regards, Jakub Moycho The Bat! 2.12.00 with BayesIt! 0.5.5 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: White spot in the header
Hello all! On Wednesday, July 14, 2004 (8:33:53 AM) I wrote: [..] and looks like on the attached picture. O_o Where is my attachment?! No matter, you can view it on: http://republika.pl/moycho/pliki/Header.png (536 bytes) -- Best regards, Jakub Moycho The Bat! 2.12.00 with BayesIt! 0.5.5 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Time to Upgrade (Was: One caveat about Folder View Settings in v. 2.11.02 [was Re: Time to Upgrade?])
Hello Mary and others following this thread, In response to the message Mary Bull sent regarding Time to Upgrade (Was: One caveat about Folder View Settings in v. 2.11.02 [was Re: Time to Upgrade?]) Thanks for the note re the v. 2.12 release. As you'd said earlier, it was about to be released. DH These are undoubtedly Moldavian terms g. MB No. PCWSmileys are a feature that Leif had the help of 9Val to work MB out, and I was among a half dozen or so early beta testers on them, MB which soon mushroomed to many dozens, as the interest in using these MB increased--most of the use being on tbot. MB The term Roguemoticon is from Dierk, who offered it as the name for MB the new pictures for use in signatures that Leif also wrote the code MB for, based on 9Val's original Smiley code, as I understand it. MB The RitLabs programmers have now modified that code such that the MB Roguemoticons appear (as a user's option) in the headers. MB Note: I changed the subject line (which you changed back) to MB conform to the recently given Moderator request to make subject MB lines as specific as possible MB Allie had recently (just yesterday) reprimanded a friend of mine on MB this list for just such a catch-all subject as yours, when the MB discussion turned to a specific part. Maybe he needs you to remind him to reprimand me. (But since he participated in this thread with Time to Upgrade as the subject, maybe his understanding of the subject subject is similar to mine). MB I was addressing a specific part, an annoying folder view settings MB behavior, that I understood, from reading the tbbeta list, had been MB cured in a beta release. You sure did, within the context of the subject I posted. Your focusing on one aspect of it didn't change that. MB Full release v. 2.12 has just been announced as out this evening. You MB might like to go to the RitLabs site and read about it. Naw, I'm just downloading it. -- Douglas Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Hint of pouty smile
Hello all! Am I blind or pipe character (|) is missing in hints of smiles :| and :-| ? -- Take care, Jakub Moycho The Bat! 2.12.00 with BayesIt! 0.5.5 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Some questions
On Wed 14 July 2004, 15:38:03 +1000, Jakub Moycho wrote: I have some quick templates under account. Some of them have unchecked option Use for New messages/Mass mailing but are still visible in Utilities | Insert Quick templates submenu of Edit Mail Message editor, why? Because that menu item shows ALL your QTs In mass mailing submenu (address book) the are not visible - as expected. Now, I'm using the latest stable version :) But symptoms the are still the same :/ The behaviour is as it is supposed to be (as far as I know!). -- Robin Anson Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Running [EMAIL PROTECTED] (see: www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu) No of SETI units returned: 300 Processing time: 1 years, 243 days, 9 hours. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail ticker is not showing
I wrote 12/07/2004 11:21 I had one folder set for showing unread messages on the ticker This was a great way of attracting my attention to incoming messages especially filtered for that folder. Until I decided to change Display Mail Ticker(TM) Automatically into Display Mail Ticker(TM) Always. Since then, the Ticker disappeared like if I selected Hide. I forgot that I also changed the screen settings from 1280 x 1024 to 1024 x 768 pixels. The ticker was showing outside the fysical screen boundaries. Changing back to the wider screen setting made it possible to move the ticker back into visible range. Thanks to you all for listening. Jan Halkes Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Some questions
Hello Robin! On Wednesday, July 14, 2004 (9:04:33 AM) You wrote: Because that menu item shows ALL your QTs Thanks. In that situation, don't you think, that the description Use for New messages/Mass mailing is a little confusing? Precisely phrase: New messages? -- Best of luck, Jakub Moycho The Bat! 2.12.00 with BayesIt! 0.5.5 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Hint of pouty smile
Hi Jakub and list, On Wednesday, July 14, 2004 at 08:52:21 GMT +0200 (which was 08:52 where I live) Jakub Moycho wrote (at least in parts) and made these valuable points on the subject of Hint of pouty smile: Am I blind or pipe character (|) is missing in hints of smiles :| and :-| ? confirmed -- Regards :Michael_Geyer: Michael powered by The BAT! 2.12 RC/4 and Useless Macro Collection 1.7.751/rc1 with usual problems of Windows XP Pro 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Hint of pouty smile
Hello Jakub, On Tuesday, July 13, 2004, at 08:52:21[GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] (which was 23:52 where I live) Jakub wrote: Jakub Am I blind or pipe character (|) is missing in hints of smiles :| Jakub and :-| ? confirmed. -- Best regards, Bobi Jam TB! 2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Spaces After Periods
I always thought it was two after a full stop, and one everywhere else. Depends on the 'typing school'. In the days of non-proportional, i.e: fixed width, fonts it was deemed better to place two spaces after full-stops (periods). This however looks ugly in the days of proportional fonts. Thus one space is recommended in that situation. Since some email clients and some users of adjustable email clients set the email to be displayed in fixed width font (usually people who like ASCII art signatures) (??!) then they are getting one space in the situation that started this thread. Typographically, the white space should be kept to a minimum in close type - so I am happy with one space always. -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 2.11.02 with POPFile 0.21.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: No message size in the Mail Dispatcher
On Sun, 11 Jul 2004 02:06:43 +0700, Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: C To continue on this topic, I just found out that the Mail Dispatcher C of TB 2.02.3 CE (on my colleague's WinXP SP1) *does* show the message C sizes when using a POP3 account on Mailtraq v2.5.1.1580 - while my TB C (v2.10.01, also on WinXP SP1) doesn't. How about the current TB version? I tested this by installing v2.04.07and onward on the mentioned PC where 2.02.03CE initially did show the message size: neither version shows the message size. Very, very impractical when connecting using a mobile phone at 9600 bps... While traveling, in many countries this is (still) the only available option. As this change in behaviour is undocumented, I have just reported this as an introduced bug. RitLabs, please ... I WANT THIS REVERTED to the v2.02.03 behaviour !!! I have never had this problem with TB. Maybe it's a bug in MailTraq? Definitely not! See above: v2.02.03 CE *does* show the message size while talking to the same server. Looks to me a an undocumented change in the MD. During telnet tests I have seen that Mailtraq reports the UIDL for each message when responding to the LIST command, as in: +OK verified, you have 23 message(s) list +OK 23 messages (7569754 octets) 1 5406 ATFRFB2ACDBB 2 ...etc... . Where another server (Cubic Circle Pop3 v1.31) reports: +OK Congratulations! list +OK 1 messages (989 octets) 1 989 . Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Official announcement of Mary Bull to keeper of PCWSmileys
On Tue, 6 Jul 2004 12:43:33 -0500, Mary Bull [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I was honored to be offered the job. Congrats, Mary! ... Douglas Adams's *Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy* ... BTW A must-read for *any* biped, geek or no. (heed, list, heed!) Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Some questions
On Wed 14 July 2004, 18:11:44 +1000, Jakub Moycho wrote: In that situation, don't you think, that the description Use for New messages/Mass mailing is a little confusing? Precisely phrase: New messages? Well, it refers to the menu option in the address book File-New message using template -- Robin Anson Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Running [EMAIL PROTECTED] (see: www.setiathome.ssl.berkeley.edu) No of SETI units returned: 300 Processing time: 1 years, 243 days, 9 hours. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Time to Upgrade (Was: One caveat about Folder View Settings in v. 2.11.02 [was Re: Time to Upgrade?])
Douglas Hinds, [DH] wrote: Maybe he needs you to remind him to reprimand me. (But since he participated in this thread with Time to Upgrade as the subject, maybe his understanding of the subject subject is similar to mine). Yes. I thought the subject was fine. -- -=[ Allie Martin ]=- List Moderator and fellow end-user PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com pgpqDP54fWv7D.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Time to Upgrade (Was: One caveat about Folder View Settings in v. 2.11.02 [was Re: Time to Upgrade?])
Douglas Hinds, [DH] wrote: How many Sustainable Development, Alternative Agriculture, Co-op, GeneWatch and Political News lists do you subscribe to? You must get more biomed literature, though; and more things that need a reply. It doesn't really matter. Using the dispatcher to screen all mail is definitely an approach though not a necessary means to an end. It's inefficient but works. We've been through that discussion before and any further discussion on this would require a subject change. ;) -- -=[ Allie Martin ]=- List Moderator and fellow end-user PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com pgp5cMaPBOcHQ.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Bug?: TB! truncating lines exceeding 1010 characters (was: Re: Character Line Limit)
Mike Dillinger, [MD] wrote: I have some friends who send me long emails and don't believe in formatting or hitting enter to separate paragraphs. Yes. This is rather common. I think I've found a bug in The Bat! where it seems to truncate lines that are longer than 1,010 characters. I can't duplicate this problem. I just sent myself a test message that was a single line of text with 4231 characters. Not a character lost. Maybe it's a server problem? -- -=[ Allie Martin ]=- List Moderator and fellow end-user PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com pgpCJcjgTxBIz.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Time to Upgrade (Was: One caveat about Folder View Settings in v. 2.11.02 [was Re: Time to Upgrade?])
Hello Allie! On Wednesday, July 14, 2004, 6:07 AM, you wrote: MB Maybe he needs you to remind him to reprimand me. (But since he MB participated in this thread with Time to Upgrade as the subject, MB maybe his understanding of the subject subject is similar to mine). AM Yes. I thought the subject was fine. Allie, could you please clarify the guidelines a bit more for me, then? I was really trying to cooperate with you when I changed the subject line in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] to One caveat about Folder View Settings in v. 2.11.02 [was Re: Time to Upgrade?] Had I been in PM discussion with Douglas, I would not have changed it. He bawled me out (no other word for it) on tbot when I modified a subject line on a thread he and I were participating in--there I was trying to cooperate with Melissa in her plea for better subject lines (despite my reaction to her there--as soon as it got easy for me to do it, I wanted to try to make things more comfortable for her). On tbudl, with your recent specific admonitions still in my mind, I thought that in replying to only one aspect of Douglas's query, I should detail in the subject line the aspect I was addressing. And I really did think he would want to know about my experience with the unstable folder view settings on my machine. Should I not have changed that subject line? I understand (and understood) that in general Douglas's subject line is fine. But I'm confused and I need some help from you. Much appreciation in advance, and -- Best regards, Mary :Mary: The Bat! 2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
X-Rogue header is better than roguemoticon in signature
Hallo TBUDL, A new version of TB was released among us. It supports Roguemoticons (for more info see: http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/rogues.php ) and loads of extra smileys. As I prefer my smileys the old fashioned way, I'm not that enthusiastic about the additional smileys, but I do like the roguemoticons. It's nice to see your contact's face in the header. However, as I'm a plain text type and don't use the RTV except for testing purposes, I'd prefer everybody placing their roguemoticon in the X-Rogue: header and not in the signature, since the latter won't show when you're using the plain text viewer. Okay, how do you insert the X-Rogue: header? You can do that with this macro: %SetHeader(X-Rogue,:your_handle:)%- in your templates for this and other tb-lists. However, only the macro won't do the trick. TB'll say: 'Hey, that's no RFC822 header', so you'll have to define it as such: Options - Preferences - Messages - Message headers - 'Add' Now you'll get a pop-up to define the header Display as: X-Rogue (or whatever, it isn't very important) RFC header: X-Rogue Uncheck: 'This field is an address list' (because it isn't) Check: 'Allow this field to be edited in the message editor' Uncheck: 'Display this field in the scrollable part of the header pane' Now you're done and every TB-user can see your lovable face when (s)he's installed the roguemoticons. And now I end this message with the plead to everyone to add their face to the roguemoticon gallery and add an X-Rogue: header. A copy of this message will be sent to tbot. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! Help files, including help with outsourced files
On Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 7:47:56 AM, Allister wrote in message: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Re: message dispatcher A Perhaps a little too paranoid in some eyes, but each to their own. But A think about how much this capability alone could attract users if they A could use at least the basic features with ease. There's a simple walkthrough of the Dispatcher on Marck's Silverstones website here: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/beginners/Dispatcher.html which Barry and I wrote some time ago (for Mary herself in fact when she was a TB! newcomer), and which was adapted by us and by Marck for the TB! Beginners' Site. Incidentally, this is still waiting for more basic walkthroughs to be added if anyone feels so inclined... I'm sure Marck would be delighted to have more than just our offering there! :) -- Cheers, Anne Registered Linux user #345132 Flying high with The Bat! v2.04.7 on Xandros Desktop 2.0 - Linux Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: New spammer technique?
On Tue, 13 Jul 2004, Martin posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] in regards to New spammer technique? : C2 Any training suggestions for BayesIt? JR IMHO, you don't need bayesit to defeat 99.9% of all spam. I JR rarely see a spam I don't use bayesit. MW That was really helpful... Being less that courteous gets you nowhere with me. The poster did not ask for TB! filters. The poster asked for Bayesit suggestions. Mine is to dump it. If there is interest in how to defeat spam w/o bayesit, it has been discussed quite frequently on this list see archives , in addition, I'd be happy to provide the basic filters I use to do the job for me. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V2.12 RC/4/W2K_SP4 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Time to Upgrade (Was: One caveat about Folder View Settings in v. 2.11.02 [was Re: Time to Upgrade?])
Mary Bull, [MB] wrote: AM Yes. I thought the subject was fine. Allie, could you please clarify the guidelines a bit more for me, then? I was really trying to cooperate with you when I changed the subject line in ... I realize this, empathize and appreciate the efforts you're making at cooperating. However, there's no precise measure of the adequacy of a subject. I can only provide basic guidelines which I have. See my response to Maggie's 'trout not accepted' message. Another problem is that with every basic guideline there can be valid exceptions. Time to upgrade? ... this subject seems to be about the asking of a question of whether or not it's time to upgrade TB!. This is what Douglas discussed. There's nothing really to break down or specify in the subject especially since he really didn't have anything specific to discuss on the matter. So it can stand by itself and be adequate. We know that such a thread will likely involve brief mention or explanations of new features. Of course, if a sub-thread begins focusing on a particular issue, then fine, change the subject, but our threshholds tend to be different. I don't usually change the subject until the 2nd message that is focusing on a new subject. If I abruptly change the topic, then I start a new thread. IOW's exercise judgement. Now, things may not go smoothly because of a variety of reasons. We are all different, with different opinions, temperaments and thresh-holds etc. I plan to moderate only those subjects that IMO, fall significantly short of adequately reflecting what the discussion is about. Douglas seems sensitive about subject hijacking. This is a side of Douglas we'll have to get along with or come to terms with. You change the subject and he changes it back. Interesting and I'll leave that to you both to sort out. I don't see the need for my direct involvement. I can only give advice. -- -=[ Allie Martin ]=- List Moderator and fellow end-user PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com pgpKMgSSvKDDi.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB! 2.12.00 : Default addressbook problem
Greetings TBUDLers, I have TB! set up with two Account Groups, one for me, one for my wife, with separate shortcuts to the two groups using the command-line parameter /FOCUSU=, and in both Groups' Account Properties the default addressbook is set to default. Under 2.11.02 (and before), I see just my folders and just my addressbook, and my wife sees just her folders and just her addressbook, plus there are some common folders we both see. I just tried the upgrade to 2.12.00 and can't get this behaviour. The folder view works as before, but if I open my addressbook in my Group, it shows up also in my wife's group, and vice versa. Switched back to 2.11.2 and everything works as before. Can anyone reproduce this and tell me whether 1. It's a new feature (unwelcome here!) 2. Something's broken 3. I need to do something different. TIA -- Andrew Cauthery Using The Bat! v2.11.02 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
I can't get Roguemoticons to work
Hello all! As of late last night, I am using TB! v2.12. I have just downloaded the Roguemoticon file (rogues.zip) but have been unable to get it to work. I unzipped it and placed the files (including the pdsf2.msl rogues.msl files) in /The Bat!/images. This is just a guess on my part since I couldn't find any instructions anywhere on where to put these files. When I open a message with the X-Rogue header (specifically, a message from Roelof Otten) I don't see his picture. Any help would be greatly appreciated. Rick -- The next greatest place to heaven on earth? A ballgame at Yankee Stadium. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I can't get Roguemoticons to work
Dear Rick, @14-Jul-2004, 08:50 -0400 (14-Jul 13:50 UK time) Rick Friedman said: I unzipped it and placed the files (including the pdsf2.msl rogues.msl files) in /The Bat!/images. This is just a guess on my part since I couldn't find any instructions anywhere on where to put these files. Close, but not right. Throw away the pdsf2.msl file. Put the images in the images/rogues folder and all will be fine. Oh yes - and hit Ctrl-Shift-Alt-T to register them. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone --List moderator and fellow end user TB! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgpZKToe57721.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I can't get Roguemoticons to work
Hallo Marck, On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:01:37 +0100GMT (14-7-2004, 15:01 +0200, where I live), you wrote: MDP Oh yes - and hit Ctrl-Shift-Alt-T to register them. Didn't know that. I just unzipped the file in 'images' with TB closed down. Worked fine. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: X-Rogue header is better than roguemoticon in signature
ON Wednesday, July 14, 2004, 2:02:21 PM, you wrote: RO And now I end this message with the plead to everyone to add their RO face to the roguemoticon gallery and add an X-Rogue: header. Hi Roelof, You convinced me. It was a bid of work to make a decent photo but here it is (or at least it should be after you updated your Rogues file) -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Golf is harder than baseball. In golf, you have to play your foul balls. Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
2.12.00 freezes on collect and can't quit
Upgraded to 2.12.0 Now connection window loads all the tasks but nothing is collected. Just hangs. Abort all tasks clears the window but then accounts can't be asked to collect individually - they don't appear in the connection window. Also: (connected?) CTRL-ALT-DEL does not show The Bat as a running application. Even when it starts up fresh. and Although The Bat appears in no start-up menu anywhere, it is starting automatically when the machine is re-booted (warm or cold). URGENT ADVICE: How do I get back to 2.11.02 as easily and as quickly as possible please. -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 2.12.00 with POPFile 0.21.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
2.12.00 No send data displayed
Hi The message I just sent - went but there was nothing in the bottom half of the connection window to show what was happening. Marten Gallagher -- Annery Kiln Web Design Delivering Information Effectively www.annerykiln.co.uk Web Design and Site Management Web Hosting and Print Design This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee and is strictly confidential. If you are not the addressee, please do not read, print, re-transmit, store or act in reliance on it or any attachments. Instead please e-mail it back to the sender and delete the message from your computer. The system used to send this message is permanently checking for viruses and malicious scripts. However, email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free and annerykiln.co.uk accepts no liability for changes made to this e-mail (and any attachments) after it was sent or for viruses arising as a result of this e-mail transmission. Any unauthorised reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
URGENT - how do I easily get back to 2.11.02 from 2.12.00
Hi URGENT ADVICE: How do I get back to 2.11.02 as easily and as quickly as possible please. Marten Gallagher -- Annery Kiln Web Design Delivering Information Effectively www.annerykiln.co.uk Web Design and Site Management Web Hosting and Print Design This e-mail is intended solely for the addressee and is strictly confidential. If you are not the addressee, please do not read, print, re-transmit, store or act in reliance on it or any attachments. Instead please e-mail it back to the sender and delete the message from your computer. The system used to send this message is permanently checking for viruses and malicious scripts. However, email transmission cannot be guaranteed to be secure or error free and annerykiln.co.uk accepts no liability for changes made to this e-mail (and any attachments) after it was sent or for viruses arising as a result of this e-mail transmission. Any unauthorised reproduction, dissemination, copying, disclosure, modification, distribution and/or publication of this e-mail message is strictly prohibited. mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Time to Upgrade (Was: One caveat about Folder View Settings in v. 2.11.02 [was Re: Time to Upgrade?])
Hello Allie! On Wednesday, July 14, 2004, 7:27 AM, you wrote: AM I can only give advice. Sorry for the delay in conversation. We had a little weather here overnight and real life took my attention for awhile here. Your advice is much appreciated. If you don't mind having one more post about this, and don't mind to reply, how soon should this discussion of Subject: guidelines have its thread changed? Just taking it for an example. I don't mean to be facetious--I'm entirely serious about these questions. I was, to speak boldly and frankly, appalled at the way Maggie wrote to you in regard to your Mod post to her. I consider her a friend, as I do you, and so I made no comment to either of you, publicly or privately at the time. It's like an old joke, which some who are against any mention of violence might find distasteful, but which, given my background as a teacher, I like: Parent: Teacher, my child is sensitive. If he misbehaves, just slap the child next to him, and he'll get the message. I took what you said to Maggie perhaps too much to heart. You know, I think my best course will be to change no subject lines and wait for you to appear in your Mod hat. I don't think this issue, contrary to what you have said, and I say this most respectfully, is between me and Douglas alone. He directly challenged me as to your Moderator's ruling. He implied that I was infringing on your role. I'm sensitive to my own feelings that I certainly do not want to move in on your territory. I got a C in conduct in first grade. My mother went to see the teacher about it. What had I done, my mother wanted to know. Oh, Mrs. Roberts, it is not really serious, replied my teacher in this face-to-face conference. Mary Eunice just wants to teach my class, that's all. She finishes her work in two minutes, and then she's up all over the room, disrupting everything and helping everyone else with his work. I may never have grown any older than 6 in age, Allie. You will just have to watch out for me. I'll be looking for the gentlest kind of trouts. :) -- Best regards, Mary :Mary: The Bat! 2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: spell checker - three usage questions / difficulties
Dear list, Mile mentioned having MeTB American-style -ize endings on MeTB words instead of the British -ise ending. Personally, I regard the -ize form as British. It's certainly the suffix preferred by the Oxford English Dictionary and the OUP. -- Eric Using TB! v2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Changing the Subject Header (Was: Time to Upgrade (Was: One caveat about Folder View Settings in v. 2.11.02 [was Re: Time to Upgrade?]))
Hello Mary and others following this thread, In response to the message Mary Bull sent to Allie on 14/07/2004 regarding Changing the Subject Header (sent with a Subject Header Time to Upgrade (Was: One caveat about Folder View Settings in v. 2.11.02 [was Re: Time to Upgrade?]) Since the focus is no longer on whether it's Time to Upgrade (to v. 2.x, which in fact, isn't even mentioned in either post), _NOW is the time to Change the Subject Header_. Secondly Mary, I never bawled you out. I simply changed the Subject Header back to what it was, since 1).- the subject hadn't changed and 2).- I was using the header to follow up / reply to the answers received. I suggest we all keep in mind that these are technical (rather than personal) matters. (On my part) Nuff sed! (The next thread I in which I participate is likely to be titled Installing v. 2.12 - which I downloaded last night. MB Maybe he needs you to remind him to reprimand me. (But since MB he participated in this thread with Time to Upgrade as the MB subject, maybe his understanding of the subject subject is MB similar to mine). AM Yes. I thought the subject was fine. MB Allie, could you please clarify the guidelines a bit more for me, MB then? I was really trying to cooperate with you when I changed the MB subject line ... -- Douglas Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: URGENT - how do I easily get back to 2.11.02 from 2.12.00
Hallo Marten, On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:28:02 +0100GMT (14-7-2004, 15:28 +0200, where I live), you wrote: MG How do I get back to 2.11.02 as easily and as quickly as possible MG please. Download it at: http://www.ritlabs.com/bitrix/redirect.php?event1=downloadevent2=thebatevent3=engoto=http%3A//www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/the_bat2.11.02.exe and install it over 2.12 -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Changing the Subject Header (Was: Time to Upgrade (Was: One caveat about Folder View Settings in v. 2.11.02 [was Re: Time to Upgrade?]))
Hello Douglas! On Wednesday, July 14, 2004, 8:53 AM, you wrote: DH Secondly Mary, I never bawled you out. I simply changed the Subject DH Header back to what it was, since 1).- the subject hadn't changed DH and 2).- I was using the header to follow up / reply to the answers DH received. One or the other of us is misunderstanding what the other has written. I was already concerned about the conflict I perceived between Allie's first Mod post, which happened to be to Maggie, on this list in regard to meaningful subject choices, and what I had felt to be anger toward me from you in our last exchanges on tbot. I was not referring to what you had yesterday said on tbudl, when I said you had bawled me out. I was referring to two or three threads in which we had participated on tbot. Here's a cp from the tbot exchange: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Begin copy-and-paste: Secondly: Changing the subject header may accurately reflect the content, but doing that makes it harder for me to find your post (which I saw coming in via the Mail Dispatcher). I consider it gratuitous, in this case. End copy-and-paste+++ Further on in that exchange, you asked me not to waste your time. Now, I'm probably a very stupid, slow learner in these matters. But I genuinely don't know what to do. The best I can think to do is not to correspond with you any more. I was only trying to help and I got what felt to me like lectures and sarcasm, both earlier on tbot and yesterday on tbudl. And the best I can think to do as far as subject lines on tbudl, with regard to those threads I do choose to post to, is not to change them, and to wait for Allie to come on in his Mod hat and tell me when to change them. -- Best regards, Mary :Mary: The Bat! 2.11.02 on Windows XP 5.1 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
2.12.00 cannot handle multiple accounts?
I have 38 email accounts that get checked regularly. 2.12.00 fails and freezes with no way out but to kill the process using CTRL-ALT-DELETE. Have just gone back to 2.11.02 and all is well again. I use POPfile which means the fetch is proxied - whether that has anything to do with it I don't know. -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 2.11.02 with POPFile 0.21.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.12.00 cannot handle multiple accounts?
Hæ! Wednesday, July 14, 2004, 16:40, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2.12.00 fails and freezes with no way out but to kill the process using CTRL-ALT-DELETE. --- snip --- I use POPfile which means the fetch is proxied - whether that has anything to do with it I don't know. I am also autochecking multiple accounts and using Popfile, but it works without problems on my machine. -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | aesir media http://www.aesir.de/ [The Bat! v2.12.00 without BayesIt on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4] Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Filter to delete all msgs assigned to color group not working
Battyfolks, See any fallacies in the following filter as I'm not sure it's working? The idea is that certain msgs preceeding the following filter are set to a certain color code. With this filter these msgs are to be deleted. BeginFilter Name: DELETE - all msgs in DELETE COLOR GROUP Active: 1 Source: \\IDT\Inbox Target: \\IDT\Inbox CopyFolder: none MainSet: 00@ Actions: faDelMsg,faoAdvColor,faoAdvAddressOut,faoHotKeyOnly AddGroups: DelGroups: ForwardTemplate: ConfirmTemplate: ReplyTemplate: FwdAddr: RedirectAddr: NewAddr: NewTemplate: ExtCmd: ExtFile: ExtractDir: ColourGroup: delete AddAddrItems: afiFrom, DelAddrItems: afiFrom, HotKey: 57412 IsOfColour: delete SizeBigger: 0 SizeSmaller: 0 AgeOlder: 0 AgeNewer: 0 InAddrPos: 0 OutAddrPos: 4 InAddrGroups: NoAddrGroups: KillFile: KillMethod: 0 SaveTemplate: SndFile: SysSound: 0 SoundTime: 0:00-0:00 AllowTime: 0:00-0:00 EndFilter -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V2.12.00/W2K_SP4 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.12.00 freezes on collect and can't quit
Hallo admin, On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 14:26:22 +0100GMT (14-7-2004, 15:26 +0200, where I live), you wrote: A Although The Bat appears in no start-up menu anywhere, it is starting A automatically when the machine is re-booted (warm or cold). That's because you've checked: Options - Preferences - General - 'Start program after system halt' I'm seeing none of the problems you're describing, while I'm using the same TB and XP version. What happens when you don't use popfile? A How do I get back to 2.11.02 as easily and as quickly as possible A please. Apart from installing 2.11.02 again you couild use your latest restore point, that's the beauty of using XP. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter to delete all msgs assigned to color group not working
Hallo jan, On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:55:52 -0400GMT (14-7-2004, 16:55 +0200, where I live), you wrote: JR See any fallacies in the following filter as I'm not sure it's JR working? JR The idea is that certain msgs preceeding the following JR filter are set to a certain color code. With this filter these JR msgs are to be deleted. You're mentioning that you want to delete messages belonging to a certain colour group. But at the advanced tab you've also checked that the sender and all recipients should be part of your AB. Is this intentional? -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 2.12.00 freezes on collect and can't quit
it is starting automatically when the machine is re-booted (warm or cold). That's because you've checked: Options - Preferences - General - 'Start program after system halt' Ah ha - correct. Doh! I'm seeing none of the problems you're describing, while I'm using the same TB and XP version. What happens when you don't use popfile? To do that I would have to alter the transport section of each and every account and since a popular wish has yet to be granted I cannot do it in one move! So I am reluctant - and time starved - to do that. A How do I get back to 2.11.02 as easily and as quickly as possible A please. I didn't realise one could simply install older versions over newer. Have done that and all is back to normal. I also didn't get any information in the bottom half of the connection window pane when I sent a message using 2.12.00 and in fact two messages I sent to this group were bounced back! Now all is checking fine and sending fine in 2.11.02. -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 2.11.02 with POPFile 0.21.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 2.12.00 cannot handle multiple accounts?
I am also autochecking multiple accounts and using Popfile, but it works without problems on my machine. So it's probably not that then. Well I don't know what it might be then. Anyone got any diagnostic suggestions? -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 2.11.02 with POPFile 0.21.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re[4]: Spaces After Periods
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:39:23 GMT, wrote: This however looks ugly in the days of proportional fonts. Thus one space is recommended in that situation. Some people differ on those conclusions. While I'm all in favor of attractive type, the two-spaces-after-a-period approach has more than just formality on its side. Type is easier to read quickly, and it's easier to read aloud if necessary, when sentences are subtly separated by that extra space. In any event, however, since in nearly all settings the two-space rule remains in effect, TB!'s spacing looks odd to recipients and is impossible to cut and paste without modifications. -- JN Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I can't get Roguemoticons to work
Hi Marck, Wednesday, July 14, 2004, 9:01:37 AM, you wrote: MDP Dear Rick, MDP @14-Jul-2004, 08:50 -0400 (14-Jul 13:50 UK time) Rick Friedman said: I unzipped it and placed the files (including the pdsf2.msl rogues.msl files) in /The Bat!/images. This is just a guess on my part since I couldn't find any instructions anywhere on where to put these files. MDP Close, but not right. MDP Throw away the pdsf2.msl file. Put the images in the images/rogues MDP folder and all will be fine. MDP Oh yes - and hit Ctrl-Shift-Alt-T to register them. Actually, I got it worked out before I saw your message. I moved the images to images/rogues and it works fine. However, I didn't get rid of the pdsf2.msl file. Nor did I have to hit Ctrl-Shift-Alt-T. As soon as I moved the images to the rogues folder, it started working perfectly. Thanks, Rick -- The next greatest place to heaven on earth? A ball game at Yankee Stadium. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filter to delete all msgs assigned to color group not working
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Roelof posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] in regards to Filter to delete all msgs assigned to color group not working : JR The idea is that certain msgs preceeding the following JR filter are set to a certain color code. With this filter JR these JR msgs are to be deleted. RO You're mentioning that you want to delete messages belonging to a RO certain colour group. RO But at the advanced tab you've also checked that the sender and RO all RO recipients should be part of your AB. Is this intentional? I think it says should *NOT* be part of my AB , yes, that is intentional. Advanced: Address(es) must not be listed in the address book Items: sender all recipients Just being conservative since it is a delete filter which I will probably move to delete on server once I'm sure of it. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V2.12.00/W2K_SP4 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.12.00 freezes on collect and can't quit
Hello, Wednesday, July 14, 2004, 6:13:46 PM, you wrote (possibly edited): Now all is checking fine and sending fine in 2.11.02. Apparently you have solved the problem. Note that I had the same problem, but I believe in my case it was due to a combination of Norton Antivirus and Zone Alarm Pro version 5. Currently, I'm testing the system with Zone Alarm 4.5 and so far I have not had a repeat instance of the problem. -- Best Regards, Costas Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.12.00 cannot handle multiple accounts?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED], On 14 July 2004, 16:15 [EMAIL PROTECTED] [A] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ...snip A Anyone got any diagnostic suggestions? Are you using a software firewall? Did you register the new version with it? - -- As ever, Martin_Webster Jabber mjw | ICQ 15893823 | PGP Key ID 0xD644460D The Bat! 2.12.00 | BayesIt! 0.5.5 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: PGP Key available from ldap://europe.keys.pgp.com/:11370; iQA/AwUBQPVUmDknq5PWREYNEQK2QQCcCjwpWCSMY7fw3nm1ZOSrwUcHy34An1i2 ntWB+I1Gl5oyusvi3cTd8shc =V+BN -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTML email (was: Re: Time to Upgrade?)
==Original message text=== From: M i c C u l l e n [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: Douglas Hinds [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: Tuesday, July 13, 2004, 5:07:51 PM Subject: HTML email (was: Re: Time to Upgrade?) MicCullen On Tuesday, July 13, 2004 @ 10:01:09 PM, Douglas Hinds wrote: MicCullen [snips] Douglas Are there any valid reasons to upgrade? (I have no intention of Douglas sending html mail). MicCullen I used to think that too, but there are times when it's MicCullen incredibly useful to be able to do so. MicCullen Example - I'm a sports journalist, and cover several MicCullen different teams, etc. in my city. Being able to send an email off MicCullen each Monday covering the coming week to my editors and associated MicCullen entities, using a different colour for each team's event that I'm MicCullen covering shows everybody - at a glance - what I'm covering on each MicCullen day. (Well, what I'm PLANNING to cover...) MicCullen Yes, I could just fire off a Word doc, but having it MicCullen right in the email is a LOT easier, especially for referring back to MicCullen it later. MicCullen I use the HTML email very rarely, (although I'd probably MicCullen use it a little more if the implementation wasn't so very basic), but MicCullen it's a great thing when you need it. And I've got to say, with MicCullen bandwidth increasing at the rate it is, HTML email isn't the scourge MicCullen it once was. (All the usual caveats - used sensibly, etc) ===End of original message text=== Private post : Hi, You are a sports journalist : do you work on Cycling ? Do not hesitate to answer me on [EMAIL PROTECTED] to not disturb the list with mails out of subject... Thanks -- WilWilWil [EMAIL PROTECTED] TB 2.12.00 Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Filter to delete all msgs assigned to color group not working
Hallo jan, On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 11:30:32 -0400GMT (14-7-2004, 17:30 +0200, where I live), you wrote: JR I think it says should *NOT* be part of my AB , yes, that is JR intentional. Yes, of course that's what I should've said, but I was called away by an acquaintance of mine (definitely not a friend) who had severe computer problems. So I finished my message in a rush. Problem was easy. Went back to a restore point of last Saturday, that kid is definitely too dumb to own a computer. JR Advanced: Address(es) must not be listed in the address book JR Items: sender all recipients JR Just being conservative since it is a delete filter which I will JR probably move to delete on server once I'm sure of it. You were afraid of your filter not functioning correctly. Why? Did it not delete messages you expected it to delete or did it delete messages you didn't expect it to delete? Or were you just afraid that you might have overlooked something? When you'rew doubting a 'delete' filter, you can always set it up as a 'move' filter, so you can follow its behaviour for a couple of hours, days or weeks. And when you're satisfied turn it into a deleting filter. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spaces After Periods
Wednesday, July 14, 2004, 11:24:37 AM, Joseph wrote: JN On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 10:39:23 GMT, wrote: This however looks ugly in the days of proportional fonts. Thus one space is recommended in that situation. JN Some people differ on those conclusions. While I'm all in favor JN of attractive type, the two-spaces-after-a-period approach has JN more than just formality on its side. Type is easier to read JN quickly, and it's easier to read aloud if necessary, when JN sentences are subtly separated by that extra space. In any event, JN however, since in nearly all settings the two-space rule remains JN in effect, TB!'s spacing looks odd to recipients and is impossible JN to cut and paste without modifications. I too like to see two spaces after a period ends a sentence for the reasons stated above. I suspect that the conversion from two spaces to one occurs when text editors with too little decision intelligence programmed into them try to be word processors. It's much easier to format to one space after any punctuation that build in a decision tree or intelligence to pick out a sentence. A better solution would be for the editor (MicroEd in the case of TheBat!) to have a preference switch that states Convert two spaces after punctuation to one when reformatting? Then one could turn this practice on or off. -- Regards, Plan9 The only difference between a rut and a grave is the depth. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Spell Checher in HTML
Hi TBUDL, When i use the html editor I cannot get the spell checker to work. It works fine if I select the text editor. Any and all help will be appreciated! -- Best regards, Joe O mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Wednesday, July 14, 2004 12:19:00 PM Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Filter to delete all msgs assigned to color group not working
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Roelof posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] in regards to Filter to delete all msgs assigned to color group not working : RO snip were you just afraid that you might have overlooked RO something? /snip yes RO When you'rew doubting a 'delete' filter, you can always set it RO up as a 'move' filter, so you can follow its behaviour snip Excellent advice. In fact, I have been following this filter for a while. As a last step, I asked TB! to flag all msgs added to this color group as a test delete if you will. However, TB! didn't flag these msgs so I started to wonder. I guess I could try a move instead. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V2.12.00/W2K_SP4 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
I'm not sure TB! counts msgs right.... or maybe it's just me.
Battyfolks, If I set folder properties to limit 50 msgs in the folder, I get 51 msgs. If I set the limit to 49, TB! allows 50. Does anyone besides me think this is weird counting? -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V2.12.00/W2K_SP4 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spaces After Periods
Hallo Plan9, On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:21:27 -0400GMT (14-7-2004, 18:21 +0200, where I live), you wrote: P I too like to see two spaces after a period ends a sentence for the P reasons stated above. I suspect that the conversion from two spaces to P one occurs when text editors with too little decision intelligence P programmed into them try to be word processors. I'm not really in favour of typing two spaces after a period. (What's the difference between a period and a dot?) Just because some schools in the states taught that, doesn't mean it was general accepted practice. Even I am old enough to have learned typing before the computer age. I was taught to type one space after any kind of punctuation. Maybe that's Dutch or European. I don't know. I also was taught to start a new paragraph with four spaces. One of the other things those poor people tried to hammer in me was that when writing a letter to the states (I guess that should be capitalized)I should place the address on the wrong side of the letter. All of those conventions should not be optional. Just forget about them, just remember that when they're making one option, they should implement the others too. You'd get check boxes for one space, after a period, two spaces, three. One space after a comma, two spaces. And of of those other conventions. So please no options. The make the reformatting more prone to bugs and keep the folks at RitLabs from doing useful work. That's my two cents. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I'm not sure TB! counts msgs right.... or maybe it's just me.
Hallo jan, On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:35:22 -0400GMT (14-7-2004, 18:35 +0200, where I live), you wrote: JR If I set folder properties to limit 50 msgs in the folder, I get JR 51 msgs. If I set the limit to 49, TB! allows 50. JR Does anyone besides me think this is weird counting? Are you per chance counting on a different moment than TB? Over here it's counting alright. TB's purging starts when you're closing it down. When you collect a message everyday in a certain folder, that folder will always have one message more than TB's setting. (Provided you open TB once everyday.) -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spell Checher in HTML
Hallo joeo, On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:20:15 -0400GMT (14-7-2004, 18:20 +0200, where I live), you wrote: J When i use the html editor I cannot get the spell checker to work. It J works fine if I select the text editor. That's a known issue (read 'bug'), set it 'Check before send/queue'. I've been led to believe that'll work fine with HTML. Don't know from experience, as I don't use HTML. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 2.12.00 cannot handle multiple accounts?
Are you using a software firewall? Yes Did you register the new version with it? Yes -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 2.11.02 with POPFile 0.21.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Spaces After Periods
JN Type is easier to read JN quickly, and it's easier to read aloud if necessary, when JN sentences are subtly separated by that extra space. But any book, novel or otherwise with a proportional font has only one space. -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 2.11.02 with POPFile 0.21.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 2.12.00 freezes on collect and can't quit
Hello, Wednesday, July 14, 2004, 6:13:46 PM, you wrote (possibly edited): Now all is checking fine and sending fine in 2.11.02. Apparently you have solved the problem. Not in 2.12.00... -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 2.11.02 with POPFile 0.21.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New spammer technique?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was Wed, 14 Jul 2004, at 08:21:37 -0400, @ @ when [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there is interest in how to defeat spam w/o bayesit, it has been discussed quite frequently on this list see archives , in addition, I'd be happy to provide the basic filters I use to do the job for me. That would be good to see how. I made some Selective Download filters, using most frequently used spamers' patterns, and am getting about 1-3% of spam after that work. What remains are addresses consisting from random letters, eg.: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Have you some idea how to define this random part, using Selective Download option, as for instance random_part@? - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFA9Wpg9q62QPd3XuIRAq19AJ0XKGWTGluon5RgV9RWjObtv7FxXQCdHOZZ LY17tRH/kT5/wB9y7EicL4g= =wuI6 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Spaces After Periods
Proportional font is the key. Not everyone uses proportional fonts Well I did actually say exactly that in my first contribution to this thread. -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 2.11.02 with POPFile 0.21.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Email address picker icons missing
Hello, The email address picker's drop down list is missing the icons for each entry. This was mentioned in the TB Beta Forum, but it has not been fixed in the release version. -- Best regards, Costas Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
How to ensure line formatting in quick templates?
Hello, How can I ensure that the following entry in a quick template will appear on a single line in the message where I use it? %SetHeader(X-Archive,expiry=0)Using The Bat! v%THEBATVERSION on %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build% %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION Also, what is the meaning of the %- characters that I sometimes see in quick templates? -- Best regards, Costas Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Spaces After Periods
On Wednesday, July 14, 2004, 17:24:37, Joseph N. wrote: Type is easier to read quickly, and it's easier to read aloud if necessary, when sentences are subtly separated by that extra space. I prefer monospaced font for reading e-mail, and the font of my choice (Lucida Console) has both the comma and period placed at the left side of character cell, so even without double spacing, there's a visible gap where they're used. And even though I started using computers in the time of DOS text-based word processors (anybody remembers DisplayWrite?), I never used 2 spaces after a period, nor have heard of that rule till only a few years ago (interestingly, it was on a page that dealed with things that the author thought were no longer needed with modern computers) -- Jernej Simoncic http://deepthought.ena.si/ for personal mail, replace guest.arnes.si with isg.si Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic. -- A. C. Clarke's Third Law Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Which version of PGP to use.
Hi Bat Users, I would like to hear from other TB user which version currently works best with TB and if there are any pitfalls to look out for. Thanks. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- A ball will always come to rest halfway down a hill, unless there is sand or water at the bottom. Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Which version of PGP to use.
Hi Zonnet - On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, at 20:03:35 [GMT +0200] (which was 11:03 AM where I live) you wrote: Hi Bat Users, I would like to hear from other TB user which version currently works best with TB and if there are any pitfalls to look out for. Thanks. I use PGP 8.x. It integrates nicely and I am very happy. -- Best Regards, Kevin Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 pgp3z8fHE6GkF.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to ensure line formatting in quick templates?
Hallo Costas, On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:56:39 +0300GMT (14-7-2004, 19:56 +0200, where I live), you wrote: CP How can I ensure that the following entry in a quick template will CP appear on a single line in the message where I use it? CP %SetHeader(X-Archive,expiry=0)Using The Bat! v%THEBATVERSION on CP %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME CP %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build% CP %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION You could set it at one single line in the QT, since the text it generates is so short that it won't come on multiple lines CP Also, what is the meaning of the %- characters that I sometimes see in CP quick templates? The meaning of the %- macro is that the end of line character immediately after the macro will be forgotten by the editor, so this: Roe%- lof O%- tt%- en Will result in this: Roelof Otten Most often this is done to enhance the readability So the macro you proposed could be written as: %SetHeader(X-Archive,expiry=0)%- Using The Bat! v%THEBATVERSION on %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build% %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION Thus Splitting it in a distinct header part of the template that doesn't have any text implications for the message body, since leaves no trail whatsoever. And a text part that inserts some numbers. Of course you could break up that latter sentence into two or more parts, would give something like this: %SetHeader(X-Archive,expiry=0)%- Using The Bat! v%THEBATVERSION on %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %- %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build% %- %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION This would give the same result as the previous template, but I think the readability diminishes. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Which version of PGP to use.
Wednesday, July 14, 2004, 2:03:35 PM, Zonnet wrote: Z I would like to hear from other TB user which version currently works best Z with TB and if there are any pitfalls to look out for. I used PGP 7.0.3 up until a few days ago and now use 8.0.3. Both free versions and both worked flawlessly. If you decide to use 8.0.3 Free version just un-check all the additional pieces it wants to load (email plugins, etc.) and load the basic software. TheBat! already has built in support for PGP. See http://www.mccune.cc/PGPpage2.htm for a pretty good QA on PGP in general. -- Regards, Plan9 Two strings walk into a bar. The first string says to the bartender: Bartender, I'll have a beer. u.5n$x5t?*4ru!2[sACC~ErJ. The second string says: Pardon my friend, he isn't NULL terminated. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: Spaces After Periods
On Wed 14-Jul-04 1:20pm -0400, Leif Gregory wrote: This has started going off-topic, please take it to PM or TBOT. Well you're the moderator and I also hate to see all the talk of preferences. But this editor bug is near the top of my list of pet peeves with TB!. It falls right after the lack of in-mail and out-mail filtering. It's amazing that such a great email program can't handle simple text reformatting. At least it should permit seamless switching to and from an external editor so we can reformat paragraphs. Suppressing such discussions - such as how that can be done - does not do Ritlabs any favor. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to ensure line formatting in quick templates?
You could set it at one single line in the QT, since the text it generates is so short that it won't come on multiple lines Strangely, in my original QT it would wrap around in my message when I tried it. However, when I copied and pasted your version into my QT replacing what I had, it works as it should. Anyway, thank you for solving it for me. -- Best Regards, Costas Papadopoulos Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: Spaces After Periods
Hello Bill, Wednesday, July 14, 2004, 12:39:55 PM, you wrote: Bill Well you're the moderator and I also hate to see all the talk of Bill preferences. But this editor bug is near the top of my list of Bill pet peeves with TB!. It falls right after the lack of in-mail Bill and out-mail filtering. What do you mean by lack of in-mail and out-mail filtering? Do you mean incoming and outgoing mail? Bill It's amazing that such a great email program can't handle simple Bill text reformatting. At least it should permit seamless switching Bill to and from an external editor so we can reformat paragraphs. I don't necessarily disagree with you. Bill Suppressing such discussions - such as how that can be done - Bill does not do Ritlabs any favor. Not suppressing them, just requesting they change venue. TBOT was designed for this exact purpose (when a thread wanders into realms no longer directly related to the list purpose). There have been a number of times when the conversation has taken place on TBOT and then the summary / points made back to the developers. If people thought smileys and Roguemoticons were OT, discussion on whether one or two or three periods following a full stop would probably cause a riot. :grin: -- Leif Gregory (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Tagline of the day: Plan to be spontaneous tomorrow. Using The Bat! 2.12.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: X-Rogue header is better than roguemoticon in signature
ON Wednesday, July 14, 2004, 8:55:46 PM, you wrote: PO Rather close, but... the handles don't match : PO X-Rogue: :Gerard_de_Vries: PO Smiley = .\rogues\Gerard_de_Vries.jpg, 0, :Gerard: Hi Peter, I made a mistake when entering a handle. It should be OK now. Is there an updated rogues file already, I will have a look right now. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= My worst day on the golf course still beats my best day in the office. Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: X-Rogue header is better than roguemoticon in signature
Hallo Zonnet, On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:17:25 +0200GMT (14-7-2004, 21:17 +0200, where I live), you wrote: PO Rather close, but... the handles don't match : PO X-Rogue: :Gerard_de_Vries: PO Smiley = .\rogues\Gerard_de_Vries.jpg, 0, :Gerard: Z I made a mistake when entering a handle. Z It should be OK now. It is. Z Is there an updated rogues file already, I will have a look right now. There is a new one with you in it. -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Which version of PGP to use.
ON Wednesday, July 14, 2004, 8:35:47 PM, you wrote: P I used PGP 7.0.3 up until a few days ago and now use 8.0.3. Both free P versions and both worked flawlessly. If you decide to use 8.0.3 Free P version just un-check all the additional pieces it wants to load P (email plugins, etc.) and load the basic software. TheBat! already P has built in support for PGP. P See http://www.mccune.cc/PGPpage2.htm for a pretty good QA on PGP in P general. Hi Plan9, Thanks that was helpful. I installed the, what I believed to be the free PGP version, and am now tinkering with it. Do you have to click later every time you start it up at the key entry? -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= The only shots you can be dead sure of are those you've had already. Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Which version of PGP to use.
Hi Zonnet, on Wed, 14 Jul 2004 20:03:35 +0200GMT, you wrote: Z I would like to hear from other TB user which version currently works best Z with TB and if there are any pitfalls to look out for. GnuPG works pretty well here, as does PGP 6.5.8ckt. These are the only versions I have tried here. -- Cheers Peter Aibohphobia - Fear of palindromes Winamp currently playing: Carlos Santana - Persuasion pgpqJLq0Xc0es.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: In-mail and Out-mail Examples (was: OT: Spaces After Periods)
On Wed 14-Jul-04 2:07pm -0400, Leif Gregory wrote: Wednesday, July 14, 2004, 12:39:55 PM, you wrote: Well you're the moderator and I also hate to see all the talk of preferences. But this editor bug is near the top of my list of pet peeves with TB!. It falls right after the lack of in-mail and out-mail filtering. What do you mean by lack of in-mail and out-mail filtering? Do you mean incoming and outgoing mail? Yes. An example of missing in-mail filtering is the lack of functionality to clean up subject lines as email arrives (with either an internal script or external program). An example of out-mail filtering is the inability of, say, an external program to add header lines based perhaps on the first line of message text - handy for working with anonymous remailers for example. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: X-Rogue header is better than roguemoticon in signature
ON Wednesday, July 14, 2004, 9:26:11 PM, you wrote: Z I made a mistake when entering a handle. Z It should be OK now. RO It is. Hi Roelof, Hope I did not scare you ;-) Thanks for the instructions on how to set this up. It was very easy. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Universal Laws of Golf: All 3-woods are demon-possessed. Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Which version of PGP to use.
Wednesday, July 14, 2004, 3:31:07 PM, Zonnet wrote: Z Thanks that was helpful. I installed the, what I believed to be the free Z PGP version, and am now tinkering with it. Z Do you have to click later every time you start it up at the key entry? No. I only clicked on it once and have not seen it since. In my previous post I failed to point you to https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/ehowes/www/ss/pgp8fw/pgp8fw.htm which is a very good installation tutorial for version 8. You may want to visit it to see if this is the way you installed PGP. If you installed any of the optional components it may bring up the license screen where I think you are seeing the Later Manual Purchase Now. I chose to not install any option components. -- Regards, Plan9 Two strings walk into a bar. The first string says to the bartender: Bartender, I'll have a beer. u.5n$x5t?*4ru!2[sACC~ErJ. The second string says: Pardon my friend, he isn't NULL terminated. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: In-mail and Out-mail Examples (was: OT: Spaces After Periods)
Hello Bill, Wednesday, July 14, 2004, 1:34:32 PM, you wrote: Bill Yes. An example of missing in-mail filtering is the lack of Bill functionality to clean up subject lines as email arrives (with Bill either an internal script or external program). An example of Bill out-mail filtering is the inability of, say, an external program Bill to add header lines based perhaps on the first line of message Bill text - handy for working with anonymous remailers for example. Did you try X-ray for outbound? -- Leif Gregory (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Tagline of the day: Shh! I have to use my incomplete, divided attention here! Using The Bat! 2.12.00 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Which version of PGP to use.
ON Wednesday, July 14, 2004, 9:46:24 PM, you wrote: P In my previous post I failed to point you to P https://netfiles.uiuc.edu/ehowes/www/ss/pgp8fw/pgp8fw.htm which is a P very good installation tutorial for version 8. You may want to visit it to P see if this is the way you installed PGP. If you installed any of the P optional components it may bring up the license screen where I think P you are seeing the Later Manual Purchase Now. I chose P to not install any option components. Hi Plan9, You were right. I had not removed the tick from PGPDisk, thinking I would have a look at it later. I re-installed PGP and the license screen never showed itself anymore. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Things That Sound Dirty At Golf But Aren't: You really whacked the hell out of that sucker Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: In-mail and Out-mail Examples
On Wed 14-Jul-04 2:55pm -0400, Leif Gregory wrote: Wednesday, July 14, 2004, 1:34:32 PM, you wrote: Yes. An example of missing in-mail filtering is the lack of functionality to clean up subject lines as email arrives (with either an internal script or external program). An example of out-mail filtering is the inability of, say, an external program to add header lines based perhaps on the first line of message text - handy for working with anonymous remailers for example. Did you try X-ray for outbound? Yes, it's great for some things, like changing a header line. But, AFAIK, it can't add headers that I include at the beginning of a message (with, for example, tokens around them). I had that functionality in PM Mail and miss it. -- Best regards, Bill Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
When to change subjects within an ongoing thread (Was: Re: Time to Upgrade)
Mary Bull, [MB] wrote: Sorry for the delay in conversation. We had a little weather here overnight and real life took my attention for awhile here. That's no problem. We all have to live in and around these lists. :grin: Your advice is much appreciated. If you don't mind having one more post about this, and don't mind to reply, how soon should this discussion of Subject: guidelines have its thread changed? Just taking it for an example. I've elected to change the subject of my reply to you because none of what I'm discussing has anything to do with upgrading from v1.6 to v2. None of what I discuss here would influence someone interested in a discussion looking at that question. We're now discussing when to change the subject for a message in an ongoing thread as well as the circumstances surrounding this change of subject. The same goes for your message (the one I'm now replying to) since it really has nothing to do with the original query Douglas made. My general rule is to ask myself when replying to a message in a thread, Is this message related to the topic being discussed? Does it contribute to the original query? Let's look at the time you originally chose to change the subject. This was in message mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] . In that message you were pretty much on topic. You first mentioned that v2 was stable for you, a core concern with Douglas' issue on whether or not he should upgrade. You went on to mention an annoying bug and mentioning this bug was directly related to answering his qestion about the problems that currently existed with v2 which in turn would influence his decision to upgrade or not. IOW's, the essence of your response revolved around his question. I didn't really see a need to change the subject. I don't mean to be facetious--I'm entirely serious about these questions. I was, to speak boldly and frankly, appalled at the way Maggie wrote to you in regard to your Mod post to her. I consider her a friend, as I do you, and so I made no comment to either of you, publicly or privately at the time. Ok. Parent: Teacher, my child is sensitive. If he misbehaves, just slap the child next to him, and he'll get the message. The public trouting is based on this principle. If a member sees another member being moderated, they'll take note of what provoked the moderator's interjection and avoid doing the same. You know, I think my best course will be to change no subject lines and wait for you to appear in your Mod hat. Take whatever course you like Mary. I mean that in a gentle way. :) If you prefer a wait and see approach then that's ok. I'm not here to have you standing and wondering what to do. You changed a subject and Douglas changed it back. You didn't find it unreasonable to change it while he did. But don't these disagreements happen all the time? I can't really prevent this sort of thing from happening since we all don't think the same. I don't think this issue, contrary to what you have said, and I say this most respectfully, is between me and Douglas alone. Your subject change, an attempt to obey list rules isn't worthy of a :trout:. It's worthy of commendation. Douglas' opinion that you inappropriately changed the subject is not at all a breach of rules. I do agree with him in this instance that the subject didn't have to be changed. He proceeds to change it back. I doubt I'd have done it that way but you know, we all tend to do some things differently. He directly challenged me as to your Moderator's ruling. He implied that I was infringing on your role. I didn't really see this. Any further discussion about this particular point, I'd prefer off-list. I'm sensitive to my own feelings that I certainly do not want to move in on your territory. You didn't. You will just have to watch out for me. I'll be looking for the gentlest kind of trouts. :) It's difficult to bring across our feeling with only trouts, but my trouts are always intended to be gentle, though taken seriously. :) -- -=[ Allie Martin ]=- List Moderator and fellow end-user PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com pgp95exnwvUFB.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: In-mail and Out-mail Examples
Hallo Bill, On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 15:12:24 -0500GMT (14-7-2004, 22:12 +0200, where I live), you wrote: BM Yes, it's great for some things, like changing a header line. But, BM AFAIK, it can't add headers that I include at the beginning of a BM message (with, for example, tokens around them). I had that BM functionality in PM Mail and miss it. Well, why don't you add those headers with the %SetHeader and %AddHeader macros in TB? I'll be dumb or so, but why do you want to do that in a filter and not in a template... -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: X-Rogue header is better than roguemoticon in signature
On Wednesday, July 14, 2004, 3:26:11 PM, Roelof wrote: RO Hallo Zonnet, RO On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 21:17:25 +0200GMT (14-7-2004, 21:17 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: PO Rather close, but... the handles don't match : PO X-Rogue: :Gerard_de_Vries: PO Smiley = .\rogues\Gerard_de_Vries.jpg, 0, :Gerard: Z I made a mistake when entering a handle. Z It should be OK now. RO It is. Z Is there an updated rogues file already, I will have a look right now. RO There is a new one with you in it. Hi Roelof! I just wanted to thank you for the instructions you posted concerning the X-Rogue header. It started me investigating this whole idea of Roguemoticons. Anyway, I uploaded my picture and got an updated rogues file. It's great putting faces to the names. -- Thanks, Rick The next greatest place to heaven on earth? A ball game at Yankee Stadium. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I can't get Roguemoticons to work
Rick Friedman, [RF] wrote: Actually, I got it worked out before I saw your message. I moved the images to images/rogues and it works fine. However, I didn't get rid of the pdsf2.msl file. Yes. I have my pdsf2.msl file here and it doesn't create problems with functionality. Nor did I have to hit Ctrl-Shift-Alt-T. As soon as I moved the images to the rogues folder, it started working perfectly. I guess this is because TB! had already read the .msl file. The CTRL-Shift-Alt-T is for TB! to reread the .msl files if they've been changed. -- -=[ Allie Martin ]=- List Moderator and fellow end-user PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com pgptglrd8DizY.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: subject hijacking
Rich Gregory, [RG] wrote: I like the term hijacking! I have come to try to NOT change a subject AT ALL unless the thread is COMPLETELY no longer relevant to the subject, in which case (as here) I now start another thread. That's a safe approach. :) Just remember that this judgement call is just the start. You now have to make your new subject adequate and not too vague. I have in the past altered a subject line here or there (trying to exercise my judgement, which I have none!) and have gotten chastised for it on the grounds that the threading get screwy. Yup! We can't predict when this sort of thing will happen. It's all part and parcel of us trying to get along. :) Things tend not to go as intended. OT: I may like the term hijacking, but I LOVE the phrase 'trout not accepted'! ;) -- -=[ Allie Martin ]=- List Moderator and fellow end-user PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com pgpzygdjBm4qK.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.12.00 cannot handle multiple accounts?
Marten Gallagher, [MG] wrote: Did you register the new version with it? Yes Did you try the check with the firewall disabled? -- -=[ Allie Martin ]=- List Moderator and fellow end-user PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com pgpBZJsFEV1ba.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Autoformat leaves those extra spaces after periods.
Hi all, Just for those who wish to preserve those extra spaces after periods. Though Alt-L will remove them when reflowing text, Autoformat will not. Toggle on auto-format and try it, i.e., CTRL+Shift+F. The thing with autoformat is that it will reflow to perfection any text that isn't completely separated by an extra line. As a result you can't do this with autoformat enabled. :) When I need to do that I toggle it off. -- -=[ Allie Martin ]=- List Moderator and fellow end-user PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com pgpN4RIvan78p.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Which Anti-Spam (other than bayesit).
Hi Michael, On Tuesday, July 13, 2004 14:24 your local time, which was 22:24 my local time, Michael Wilson [MLW] wrote; MLW It has got to be SpamPal. Free and everything you say, except not a MLW plug-in. I've decided to give SpamPal ago, and it seems to be working well, but I'm having a couple of problems with IMAP. After a period of time, I get Server Closed Connection. I didn't previously get this until installing SpamPal and Stunnel for the TLS connection. Do you use IMAP with SpamPal? If so, can you, or anyone here offer any help, as it's very frustrating! -- Regards, Chris Created using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 2.12.00 cannot handle multiple accounts?
Marten Gallagher, [MG] wrote: Did you register the new version with it? Yes Did you try the check with the firewall disabled? As I said earlier - YES. -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 2.11.02 with POPFile 0.21.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I'm not sure TB! counts msgs right.... or maybe it's just me.
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Roelof posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] in regards to I'm not sure TB! counts msgs right or maybe it's just me. : RO Hallo jan, RO On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 12:35:22 -0400GMT (14-7-2004, 18:35 +0200, where I RO live), you wrote: JR If I set folder properties to limit 50 msgs in the folder, I JR get 51 msgs. If I set the limit to 49, TB! allows 50. RO snip When you collect a message everyday in a certain RO folder, that folder will always have one message more than RO TB's setting. (Provided you open TB once everyday.) /snip I'm not sure I follow this logic don't understand why the folder should have one more msg than the given parameter. Why not 2 more or 4 more, etc.? -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V2.12.00/W2K_SP4 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Running 3rd Party Software with TB!
Hello users, I'm just wondering if this it at all possible? When I open TB!, can I also trigger a 3rd party program to run at the same time (maybe via a script or something)? For example, I would only like to run a proxy anti-spam program when I open TB! What would be even better, is being able to close a program at the same time as TB!, or am I just asking too much now!? ;-) -- Regards, Chris Created using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Running 3rd Party Software with TB!
Hi Chris, On Wednesday, July 14, 2004 22:28 our local time, Chris Weaven [CW] wrote; CW I'm just wondering if this it at all possible? It is!!! I sussed it! CW When I open TB!, can I also trigger a 3rd party program to run at the CW same time (maybe via a script or something)? The joys of PowerPro! CW For example, I would only like to run a proxy anti-spam program when I CW open TB! As soon as I sent this message, something dropped and I realised the power of PowerPro. When I open TB! with PowerPro, I also trigger it to open the 3rd party software required! It works perfectly! :-) CW What would be even better, is being able to close a program at the same CW time as TB!, or am I just asking too much now!? ;-) Now, if anyone can help here, that would be appreciated. My guess, is having another button within PowerPro to close down TB! and the 3rd Party software. Hmm, food for thought and something to work on tomorrow night, as I need to go to bed! So if anyone could come up with something between now and then, that would be appreciated! ;-) -- Regards, Chris Created using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: New spammer technique?
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Mica posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] in regards to New spammer technique? : MM -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- MM Hash: SHA1 MM***^\ ._)~~ MM ~( __ _o Was Wed, 14 Jul 2004, at 08:21:37 -0400, MM@ @ when [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: If there is interest in how to defeat spam w/o bayesit, it has been discussed quite frequently on this list see archives , in addition, I'd be happy to provide the basic filters I use to do the job for me. MM That would be good to see how. I made some Selective Download filters, MM using most frequently used spamers' patterns, and am getting about 1-3% MM of spam after that work. What remains are addresses consisting from MM random letters, eg.: [EMAIL PROTECTED]. Have you some idea how MM to define this random part, using Selective Download option, as for MM instance random_part@? I'm not smart enough to do it that way. First thing is to filter out all msgs that are not addressed to you. That will take care of the majority of the msgs. Then I set all my filters for those subjects whom/that I know, i.e. mail lists, etc. Then I set all my filters for entries in my ABs. Finally, I flag those msgs which don't fall into any of those categories. Eventually a pattern emerges I filter for that as well. I rarely, if ever, filter on content for the reasons that you cite. I really haven't changed my filters for months but just started to fool around again. I will tell you that between 175-300 pieces of email end up in my junk folder daily. And only rarely do I get a false/positive. And almost *never* do I find a piece of junk mail in my inbox. This was not my experience with Bayesit filtration I subjected my filters to thousands of pieces of spam. I'm happy to amplify or help if you need further help. -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V2.12.00/W2K_SP4 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I'm not sure TB! counts msgs right.... or maybe it's just me.
Hallo jan, On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:24:50 -0400GMT (14-7-2004, 23:24 +0200, where I live), you wrote: RO snip When you collect a message everyday in a certain RO folder, that folder will always have one message more than RO TB's setting. (Provided you open TB once everyday.) /snip JR I'm not sure I follow this logic don't understand why the JR folder should have one more msg than the given parameter. Why JR not 2 more or 4 more, etc.? Because I supposed it was a folder that received 'a message everyday' (as in one msg a day) and that was mostly because you complained about 1 msg too many -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I'm not sure TB! counts msgs right.... or maybe it's just me.
On Wed, 14 Jul 2004, Roelof posted to [EMAIL PROTECTED] in regards to I'm not sure TB! counts msgs right or maybe it's just me. : RO snip When you collect a message everyday in a certain RO folder, that folder will always have one message more than RO TB's setting. (Provided you open TB once everyday.) /snip JR I'm not sure I follow this logic don't understand why the JR folder should have one more msg than the given JR parameter. Why JR not 2 more or 4 more, etc.? RO Because I supposed it was a folder that received 'a message RO everyday' (as in one msg a day) and that was mostly because RO you complained about 1 msg too many Ah... well. Let me be more specific then. This is not a folder in which I get one msg a day, this is my junk folder which gets dozens of msgs daily. Given that extra bit of information, what do you think now? -- Jan Rifkinson Ridgefield, CT USA TB! V2.12.00/W2K_SP4 ICQ 41116329 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I'm not sure TB! counts msgs right.... or maybe it's just me.
Hallo jan, On Wed, 14 Jul 2004 17:40:33 -0400GMT (14-7-2004, 23:40 +0200, where I live), you wrote: JR Ah... well. Let me be more specific then. This is not a folder JR in which I get one msg a day, this is my junk folder which gets JR dozens of msgs daily. Given that extra bit of information, what JR do you think now? Then, to stay in line with your subject, I suspect it's just you. I've got several folders that have limits set and all of them check with their limits. Note that I let TB do the counting, I didn't count the messages myself. Anyhow, if you still think the total is one off, I'd suggest that you delete the messages.tbb and .tbi files for that folder. (While TB is closed down.) And wait till the numbers are high enough. There might be a teeny little bit of corruption in your junk folder. (Not surprising though, considering the contents.) -- Groetjes, Roelof Disclaimer: Any opinion stated in this message is not necessarily shared by my budgies or rabbits. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New spammer technique?
On Wednesday, July 14, 2004, 5:36 PM, you wrote: jrsn First thing is to filter out all msgs that are not addressed to jrsn you. That will take care of the majority of the msgs. this sounds backwards. Here is my idea: 1. known filter for everyone in your AB 2. all lists to separate folders 3. SPAM folder for the rest every once in a while I'll get a PM from someone on this list NOT in my AB, but if they aren't in my AB and it isn't from a list, 99.9% should be spam, right? of course, every time you sign up for something NEW, tht email will come and be classified as spam, how do you account for those? jrsn Then I set all my filters for those subjects whom/that jrsn I know, i.e. mail lists, etc. jrsn Then I set all my filters for entries in my ABs. jrsn Finally, I flag those msgs which don't fall into any of those jrsn categories. Eventually a pattern emerges I filter for that as jrsn well. -- Paul Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Jun2004 (4.1.418) (avast! version number) 0429-0 (12.07.2004) (avast! DB version number) 4.1.418 (avast! plugin version number) Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: 2.12.00 cannot handle multiple accounts?
Marten Gallagher, [MG] wrote: Did you register the new version with it? Yes Did you try the check with the firewall disabled? Yes have now... exactly the same - total freeze - only way out is to stop the process using CTRL_ALT_DEL. -- Marten Gallagher Annery Kiln Web Design www.annerykiln.co.uk Using The Bat! 2.11.02 with POPFile 0.21.1 on Windows XP 5.1 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
OT: pausing tbudl list subscription
Is there a way to easily pause a subscription (say I'm going on vacation) instead of un-subscribe / re-subscribe which normally takes two requests / confirmations? Thanks - jon -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
