Re[2]: How can I copy ALL my filters between in/outbox
Hello Thomas, Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 10:29:01 PM, you wrote: Hello tracer, On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 11:32:15 +0700 GMT (07/01/2009, 11:32 +0700 GMT), tracer wrote: t Assuming I create them all by hand for mail coming in, what's the t easiest way to copy the lot to outgoing mail and then fix them by t hand... The easiest (but not fastest) way is to support this wish: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3319 Thomas, this is supposing I guess that I can run 4.1.17 or whatever but I cannot as last time I tried I still crashed and I saw I am not the only one where either a clean or upgrade of system goes wrong. No idea what goes wrong but I end up with NO executable in the Bat directory!!! I checked it obviously manually and you can also see it as the bat Icon on desktop goes to the one used in case it refers to a missing file. And it really is missing... So I am running 4.0.38 I had a msg when booting up the bat just now that there was a new upgrade but no idea what got fixed. -- Best regards, tracermailto:0tra...@gmail.com Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
New Message Template
Hi A number of my programs have a menu option to send a new mail message using the default email program (in my case TheBat! 4.1) with the current document as an attachment. This seems to work in most cases other than the default new message template isn't used and I am presented with a blank window. Is there any way to make TB start with the new message template every time or is it limited only to new messages started from within TB? Although I have a number of accounts I do have one selected as the default for mailto: URLs -- Best regards Barry barryh'at'kentra'dot'co'dot'uk Using TheBat! version 4.1.7 and AntispamSniper 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How can I copy ALL my filters between in/outbox
Hello tracer, On Thu, 8 Jan 2009 21:13:12 +0700 GMT (08/01/2009, 21:13 +0700 GMT), tracer wrote: t Assuming I create them all by hand for mail coming in, what's the t easiest way to copy the lot to outgoing mail and then fix them by t hand... The easiest (but not fastest) way is to support this wish: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=3319 t Thomas, this is supposing I guess that I can run 4.1.17 or whatever No, this is supposing you are running 5.x or 6.x. It is a wish, this feature is not implemented yet. In fact, it is assigned to a Ritlabs staff who left the company quite some time ago, so nobody is working on it. t but I cannot as last time I tried I still crashed and I saw I am t not the only one where either a clean or upgrade of system goes wrong. t No idea what goes wrong but I end up with NO executable in the Bat t directory!!! This is bad news. Since nobody else reported it, let's find out what is different on your system. What kind of Windows are you running? Are you logged in as user or admin? Do you have admin rights? t I checked it obviously manually and you can also see it as the t bat Icon on desktop goes to the one used in case it refers to a missing t file. And it really is missing... Does the icon go the the new version? Hm. Over here (Win XP SP2), the file name is always the same, regardless of the version number. t So I am running 4.0.38 I had a msg when booting up the bat just now t that there was a new upgrade but no idea what got fixed. The changelog is somewhere on the Ritlabs website. Have a look. -- Cheers, Thomas. Things You Would Never Know Without the Movies: Most laptop computers are powerful enough to override the communication systems of any invading alien civilization. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.0.28.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Leaving messages in inbox
Hello Jack, On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:00:44 -0600 GMT (08/01/2009, 06:00 +0700 GMT), Jack S. LaRosa wrote: JSL A long time ago there was a thread on the dangers of leaving messages JSL in the inbox. Unfortunately I no longer remember exactly what the JSL danger was. I searched the archives for the subject line above but JSL found nothing explaining the problem. Does anybody remember? I remember. I think Marck was it who said at the time (must be years since he was active on this list) that the Inbox is a high-traffic list and therefore more likely to get corrupted than any other folder. IIRC. -- Cheers, Thomas. The difference between a king and a president is that a king is the son of his father but a president is not. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.0.28.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Leaving messages in inbox
Hallo Jack, On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:00:44 -0600GMT (8-1-2009, 0:00 +0100, where I live), you wrote: JSL A long time ago there was a thread on the dangers of leaving messages JSL in the inbox. Unfortunately I no longer remember exactly what the JSL danger was. I searched the archives for the subject line above but JSL found nothing explaining the problem. Does anybody remember? Basically it comes to this. The Inbox is a high traffic folder: every message that enters your message base first arrives in the Inbox, moving and deleting (automatically and manually) means another mutation of your Inbox. Due to these multiple mutations it's easy for things to go awry. There's your first reason not to use the Inbox for permanent storage. When your Inbox is large it's more difficult to mutate it then when it's small, so using the Inbox for permanent storage makes it more likely for things to go awry. Of course executing compress and purge daily minimises the chance that things go bad. I've never had a corrupt Inbox, so I've never been bitten, but in the past the issue came up regularly. But why use a mail client with an extensive filtering engine like TB when you store everything in the Inbox. -- Groetjes, Roelof I'm not a Vulcan, but I play one on TV - Leonard Nimoy http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.1.9 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgp42MKrTSTEE.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How can I copy ALL my filters between in/outbox
Hello Thomas, Thursday, January 8, 2009, 11:02:26 PM, you wrote: Roelof, If you want this moved to Yahoo, no problem but maybe worth first finding out who else has a problem with latest bat. What worries me is not the destruction of the bat but the chance that the databases get destroyed with an upgrade... I have been stuck with the problem since Christmas (ie the update to 4.1 caused me the problem...) 4.1 upgrade t but I cannot as last time I tried I still crashed and I saw I am t not the only one where either a clean or upgrade of system goes wrong. t No idea what goes wrong but I end up with NO executable in the Bat t directory!!! Note my daughters computer had a bug so I fixed it getting rid of a few things at same time: I reinstalled windows in a way I would normally not do but I thought to clean things up and get my other 2 kids of her computer AND no Internet access. Ok, I have with my SMC stick but they haven't got that... Whatever with that stick and a clean the Bat I have the same problem and the Bat was never on that PC before... This is bad news. Since nobody else reported it, let's find out what is different on your system. What kind of Windows are you running? XP-PRO, sr3 Its a real windows by the way. Are you logged in as user or admin? Do you have admin rights? USER, yes Does the icon go the the new version? Hm. Over here (Win XP SP2), the file name is always the same, regardless of the version number. Filename is thebat.exe (now) and its gone if I try to install 4.1.xx. The shortcut sits on the desktop but I end-up with the icon one used for file missing. Old file gets deleted but new one doesn't get installed. t So I am running 4.0.38 I had a msg when booting up the bat just now t that there was a new upgrade but no idea what got fixed. The changelog is somewhere on the Ritlabs website. Have a look. The point being that I cannot imagine it got fixed if I am the only one complaining but I recently saw I may not be really the only one now. Maybe worth it to move this discussion to yahoo Possibly Richard L de S Clauson has a similar problem. -- Best regards, tracermailto:0tra...@gmail.com Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Leaving messages in inbox
Hello Roelof, Thursday, January 8, 2009, 11:09:50 AM, you wrote: RO Hallo Jack, RO On Wed, 7 Jan 2009 17:00:44 -0600GMT (8-1-2009, 0:00 +0100, where I RO live), you wrote: JSL A long time ago there was a thread on the dangers of leaving messages JSL in the inbox. Unfortunately I no longer remember exactly what the JSL danger was. I searched the archives for the subject line above but JSL found nothing explaining the problem. Does anybody remember? RO Basically it comes to this. RO The Inbox is a high traffic folder: every message that enters your RO message base first arrives in the Inbox, moving and deleting RO (automatically and manually) means another mutation of your Inbox. RO Due to these multiple mutations it's easy for things to go awry. RO There's your first reason not to use the Inbox for permanent storage. RO When your Inbox is large it's more difficult to mutate it then when RO it's small, so using the Inbox for permanent storage makes it more RO likely for things to go awry. RO Of course executing compress and purge daily minimises the chance that RO things go bad. RO I've never had a corrupt Inbox, so I've never been bitten, but in the RO past the issue came up regularly. But why use a mail client with an RO extensive filtering engine like TB when you store everything in the RO Inbox. First let me apologize for the double post (what, me senile?) on the original question. Second, thanks to you and Thomas for answering the question. To see it described as you and Thomas have done makes sense. I remember the warning about this (though not the reason) from years ago and I then promptly created a Faux inbox which is filled with all incoming messages to the primary inbox by a filter. I just couldn't remember why I did it. -- Best regards, Jack mailto:jlar...@charter.net Using TB! v3.99.3 with K9 v1.28 anti spam Windows XP pro 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How can I copy ALL my filters between in/outbox
Hallo koenraad, On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 00:30:14 +0700GMT (8-1-2009, 18:30 +0100, where I live), you wrote: KR Filename is thebat.exe (now) and its gone if I try to install 4.1.xx. KR The shortcut sits on the desktop but I end-up with the icon one used for file KR missing. I've heard one case of someone using some obscure virus scanner that considered TB 4.1.? as a trojan and therefore deleted it. He was using Blink as anti virus, maybe that's what happening to you too. -- Groetjes, Roelof Oops. - Most feared word in Nuclear Physics and Brain Surgery... http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.1.9 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgpqmTmTlLgye.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving Account QTs to COmmon QTs
Hi On Thursday 25 December 2008 at 12:16:57 AM, in mid:87554721.20081225111...@wai.com.au, Ian A. White wrote: Thanks. That did it. I tried doing the same now that I am aware of the common templates location - copied my main account.qtb file to the mail directory and found most of my QTs duplicated there. Then I re-created one that was not on the same account in the common location and deleted them all from their previous locations. All good but I notice the account.qtb files are still present in the account folders, even though there are no longer any QTs there. I find that if I delete those account.qtb files, the next time I start TB!, they re-appear and the QTs re-appear in their old location (as well as in the common location). Obviously, a workaround is to leave the redundant account.qtb files where they are but can anybody confirm or explain this behaviour? -- Best regards, MFPA Lack of money is no obstacle. Lack of an idea is an obstacle. Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Hi A new message at the bottom of a thread previously caused all messages above it in the thread to show as unread. I'm not sure when this was changed but it no longer does and I don't like the new way. How do I revert to the previous behaviour? I have not managed to find where to change this back -- Best regards, MFPA Look, it's a hat! It's not going to hurt you. Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Hi A new message at the bottom of a thread previously caused all messages above it in the thread to show as unread. I'm not sure when this was changed but it no longer does and I don't like the new way. How do I revert to the previous behaviour? I have not managed to find where to change this back I don't ever remember it changing the entire thread. -- Rick A great many people think they are thinking when they are really rearranging their prejudices. - William James v4.1.9 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: How can I copy ALL my filters between in/outbox
Hello Roelof, Friday, January 9, 2009, 4:36:27 AM, you wrote: Hallo koenraad, On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 00:30:14 +0700GMT (8-1-2009, 18:30 +0100, where I live), you wrote: KR Filename is thebat.exe (now) and its gone if I try to install 4.1.xx. KR The shortcut sits on the desktop but I end-up with the icon one used for file KR missing. I've heard one case of someone using some obscure virus scanner that considered TB 4.1.? as a trojan and therefore deleted it. He was using Blink as anti virus, maybe that's what happening to you too. I am ashamed to say I never heard of Blink but as you know that means little. I did a search with google and it seems to be a system resident search engine. No idea if that's what you mean! AV getting into my system via various disks are F-secure, Avira, Comodo, and a few others I know and know I can ask questions. NO NORTON, NO McAfee... Easeus makes nice data recovery software/copy software but while you have to know what to watch for, no problems with it. Another website is the www.runtime.org one but lets say unknown stuff doesn't get into my system. AND, I do not mix them!! That I did only once many years ago. I noticed that I seem to have a slightly more stable system after several spy-ware files got knocked out. With a 'cleaned' hard disk I can even get updates for Avira.. So once I have F-secure back and running I will scan my system again to see what it finds as other culprits . And if the Bat works. DO you or anyone else know a WORKING program keeping track of what gets installed and what notIe FILE by FILE??? -- Best regards, tracermailto:0tra...@gmail.com Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving Account QTs to COmmon QTs
Hi On Thursday 8 January 2009 at 10:52:04 PM, in mid:295980760.20090109095...@wai.com.au, Ian A. White wrote: I just checked my account folders and they QTB files I deleted have not been re-created. The QT editor also shows all accounts as having no QTs. Hmm. I just tried again and if I delete (or rename) the account.qtb files in the accounts, the files are still re-created and the QTs reappear in those accounts. Keeping an empty text file called account.qtb in the account folders does the trick but I am damned if I can find where the QTs are backed up. This is as irritating as windows file protection. -- Best regards, MFPA Don't anthropomorphize computers - they hate it Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Hi On Thursday 8 January 2009 at 10:52:39 PM, in mid:1467959260.20090108175...@gmail.com, Rick wrote: I don't ever remember it changing the entire thread. It only changed the messages directly above the new one all the way up the thread. If the thread branched, those not above the new message didn't change. My default view is that unread messages are listed bold red on a black background (my unread messages colour group). When read they go white and not bold (messages I have read colour group). If not read but just marked as read they are red not bold. Until quite recently, the messages above a new addition to the thread displayed white bold on a black background (unread setting in my messages I have read colour group), so it is very clear when scanning through the message list which threads have new additions. This visual aid is no longer there and it would be good to have it back. I think this changed when I upgraded from v4.0.32.4 to v4.0.38 but it may have been a slightly earlier upgrade. -- Best regards, MFPA Was time invented by an Irishman named O'Clock? Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Has anyone else had The Bat crash after up/down grading to 4.1.7?
Hi tracer, Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 4:56:30 AM, tracer (0tra...@gmail.com) wrote: Wednesday, January 7, 2009, 7:49:56 AM, you wrote: I'll raise this with the RitLabs Ticket system, but thought I'd ask here in case anyone can provide a quick solution. I have reverted to a previous version of the Address Book files, taken from a backup taken just before the upgrade, but to no effect. As I said, I installed the bat 4.1.13, 4.1.15 and 4.1.17 if I remember correctly and none worked as they should as NO executable was generated. So I have no idea what else worked or didn't work. I went back to 4.0.38 and things worked but no idea if this is standard. I've now had a response via the RitLabs Ticket system and they asked for more information (from .txt .log files in root of mail directory tree) and supplied a Beta version since 4.1.7. I'd also looked at paying for the upgrade from v3 licence to the v4 licence. As I last paid for the upgrade 4 years ago I decided to pay and re-upgrade to v4.1.7 ( then to v4.1.9 as it was just released). This all worked and I now have access to the Address Book again. :-) Don't know what went wring in your case, or where you got your version (numbers) from. Have you tried doing a compact/compress of your email message base, and doing a backup, before trying to upgrade again? Also, do you, like me, need to pay for the upgrade before trying to install it? Richard Using The Bat! v4.1.9 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Hello MFPA, On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 00:48:00 + GMT (09/01/2009, 07:48 +0700 GMT), MFPA wrote: I don't ever remember it changing the entire thread. M It only changed the messages directly above the new one all the way up M the thread. If the thread branched, those not above the new message M didn't change. I'm with Rick here, I never saw what you are now missing. Had they implemented it, I would have protested: Only unread messages should be shown as unread, not the messages above it. Because I have read them already. They are not unread, so they shouldn't be shown as unread only because a new message is added at the bottom. So, all is fine. -- Cheers, Thomas. Bit: Geschicktes Product Placement einer Brauerei in Computerliteratur und Zeitschriften. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.0.28.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Hello MFPA, On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 00:48:00 + GMT (09/01/2009, 07:48 +0700 GMT), MFPA wrote: I don't ever remember it changing the entire thread. M It only changed the messages directly above the new one all the way up M the thread. If the thread branched, those not above the new message M didn't change. I'm with Rick here, I never saw what you are now missing. Had they implemented it, I would have protested: Only unread messages should be shown as unread, not the messages above it. Because I have read them already. They are not unread, so they shouldn't be shown as unread only because a new message is added at the bottom. So, all is fine. Are we perhaps talking about in a collapsed tree branch? If so then I never noticed. It would have to highlight to let you know there was an unread message in the branch (?) -- Rick Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today. - James Dean v4.1.9 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Has anyone else had The Bat crash after up/down grading to 4.1.7?
Hello Richard, Friday, January 9, 2009, 8:17:44 AM, you wrote I've now had a response via the RitLabs Ticket system and they asked for more information (from .txt .log files in root of mail directory tree) and supplied a Beta version since 4.1.7. I'd also looked at paying for the upgrade from v3 licence to the v4 licence. As I last paid for the upgrade 4 years ago I decided to pay and re-upgrade to v4.1.7 ( then to v4.1.9 as it was just released). This all worked and I now have access to the Address Book again. :-) The bat itself works??? I paid for my Thebat V4 upgrade just before Christmas and then they made an upgrade so I upgraded. Stupid in a way as an upgrade just before a holiday season is a good way to get unwanted problems. Don't know what went wrong in your case, or where you got your version (numbers) from. Have you tried doing a compact/compress of your email message base, and doing a backup, before trying to upgrade again? Also, do you, like me, need to pay for the upgrade before trying to install it? version numbers are on a page on the website where you download from.. And no, I just paid so unlikely I have to pay again for a bug fix.. Anyway after all the bugs I have seen one more or less makes little difference... (I don't mean in the bat but in general!!). I just went back to last one which worked for me: 4.0.38 . Doesn't handle msg's larger then 2 gb or so but I cannot see that to be a problem Ok, sending this and then reinstalling whatever the last update is. -- Best regards, tracermailto:0tra...@gmail.com Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Moving Account QTs to COmmon QTs
Hello MFPA, Friday, January 9, 2009, 7:29:38 AM, you wrote: Hi On Thursday 8 January 2009 at 10:52:04 PM, in mid:295980760.20090109095...@wai.com.au, Ian A. White wrote: I just checked my account folders and they QTB files I deleted have not been re-created. The QT editor also shows all accounts as having no QTs. Hmm. I just tried again and if I delete (or rename) the account.qtb files in the accounts, the files are still re-created and the QTs reappear in those accounts. Keeping an empty text file called account.qtb in the account folders does the trick but I am damned if I can find where the QTs are backed up. This is as irritating as windows file protection. Do a search on QTB and see if finds them... -- Best regards, tracermailto:0tra...@gmail.com Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
