Re: TB! V1.53d - printing difficulty

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Jan!

On Wednesday, June 27, 2001 at 7:34:33 PM you wrote:

   I don't think so but to be sure I'm answering this correctly,
   maybe you could just tell me what you mean by a save msg
   template?

If you can print at all, there has to be a template (AFAIK). Look
under Account/Properties/Templates.

   However, in both cases, it seems to be printing as a graphic
   (takes forever) so now I'm wondering whether I had picked a very
   long msg  the system was just overwhelmed by the process...

It doesn't take too long on mine?! I can't see why the message should
be defined as a graphic and then printed; that would only bring
advantages, IMO, with PS printers.

Does anyone know what printing scheme TB! uses?



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Re: TB! V1.53d - printing difficulty

[A Curtis Martin]

On Thu, 28 Jun 2001 09:29:28 +0159, Dierk thoughtfully wrote the
following:
...
   I don't think so but to be sure I'm answering this correctly,
   maybe you could just tell me what you mean by a save msg
   template?

DH If you can print at all, there has to be a template (AFAIK). Look
DH under Account/Properties/Templates.

That should be Main windows menu 'Message/Print Setup/Template'.

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Re: TB! V1.53d - printing difficulty

[Lars Geiger]

Hi JOANNE,
On Wed, 27 Jun 2001, at 22:01:28 -0700 you wrote:

JV [...]

JV Next row, I see the word 'TO'(above the word 'Subject')...and at the
JV end of that bar are 3 little option boxes.

JV ***this is where I am unable to view any address book..the 3rd
JV box***

JV The first has a black scroll down arrow (view history). Next, I see
JV a blue arrow pointing towards the right. It is to 'add to the
JV address book', but there is no + sign here.

Maybe this sounds stupid, but why should there be a + sign? Anyway, I
don't think that this has something to do with your problems.

JV I can R click on it, and a drop down menu appears. In addition to
JV the words UNDO, CUT, COPY, PASTE, SELECT ALL, I see a partial
JV address book.

This is the usual context menu for those fields. UNDO, CUT, COPY, PASTE,
SELECT ALL are used to edit text already entered in those fields. What
you call a partial address book is the list of you favourite addresses.
That is, all the addresses you marked as favourites in your AB can be
accessed there (and also by the little black arrow next to the new mail
button, BTW).

JV If I SELECT ALL, it does not select all.

It does, if you enter some text there first. It is *not* intended to
'select all' your favourites as recipients for this message.

JV Now the 3rd square has the address book icon. If I R click on it, I
JV get the same thing I did when I R click on the blue arrow just
JV mentioned.

See above, the context menu for the whole field and the 3 buttons at the
end is the same.

JV But a L click brings up a window with the blue bar at the top.

Fine, this is what is supposed to happen.

JV It says 'Pick E-mail addresses' and it opens up an empty address
JV book. (it should say 'intermediate').

OK, so you don't see any entries you could select. Where it should say
'intermediate', what does it read instead? Can you click on the
downarrow next to that field where you expect 'intermediate' and select
the appropriate AB?

JV I also see TO/CC/BCC, but there are no names that are
JV highlightable...or available to select. No,I do not see a + sign,
JV only the hot tip when the cursors rests over the blue arrow box.

I suspect that your problem has something to do with the newly added
possibility to select a default address book for an account. Go to your
account properties and select your 'intermediate' AB as the default for
this account. Does that change anything?

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Re: TB! V1.53d - printing difficulty

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Lars!

On Thursday, June 28, 2001 at 9:17:50 AM you wrote:

 I suspect that your problem has something to do with the newly added
 possibility to select a default address book for an account. Go to your
 account properties and select your 'intermediate' AB as the default for
 this account. Does that change anything?

Or she can't see items because they are in a group with the property
to Hide items ...?!


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Re: TB! V1.53d - printing difficulty

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello Allie!

On Thursday, June 28, 2001 at 9:41:13 AM you wrote:

 That should be Main windows menu 'Message/Print Setup/Template'.

Correct, I always get those different places messed up.

Maybe a good new feature would be a central place for all templates -
something like a complete new menu Templates, where all system
templates can be chosen (Print, Save, Account, Folder).



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Re: TB! V1.53d - printing difficulty

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Dierk,
On Thu, 28 Jun 2001, at 10:39:32 +0200 you wrote:

DH Or she can't see items because they are in a group with the property
DH to Hide items ...?!

But why does it work with an older version? It must have something to do
with v. 1.53, and I can only think of one of the various changes
regarding the address book.

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Re: TB! V1.53d - printing difficulty

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi JOANNE,

On 28 June 2001 at  22:01:28 -0700 (which was 06:01 where I live)
JOANNE VIRANT wrote to Marck D Pearlstone and made these points:

JV I am replying to you from the now reinstalled 1.53, which still is
JV not giving me the address book where I need it. I agree with all
JV you wrote and understand. And I am very happy that no one else has
JV my problem, because it makes me confident we can figure this out.

We can. I feel it in my bones ;-).

JV ... The questions you asked earlier, about File, save, etc...

Ooops. I've just realised that my reply to your previous response
which contain a whole bunch of new questions didn't get to the list
two days ago :-(((. I'll re-post them here. There may be some new
clues for you.

- -8-

On 26 June 2001 at  22:15:34 -0700 (which was 06:15 where I live)
JOANNE VIRANT wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points:

JV ... Now the 3rd square has the address book icon. If I R click on
JV it, I get the same thing I did when I R click on the blue arrow
JV just mentioned. But a L click brings up a window with the blue bar
JV at the top. It says 'Pick E-mail addresses' and it opens up an
JV empty address book. I also see TO/CC/BCC, but there are no names
JV that are highlightable...or available to select.

snip

JV Does that help?

Yes. This is the correct place. Now, just underneath the 'Pick E-mail
addresses' caption is a box with a black down-pointing arrow at the
right hand side. This allows you to choose which area of the address
book to look in for addresses. L-click on the down arrow and choose
Personal address book or one of the Groups within it. The larger
panel beneath that box fills with all available email addresses from
the selected section.

Double click on names to add them to the list of names in the
currently selected tab on the right hand side of the window (To, CC or
BCC). Use the '' and '' buttons to move single addresses in and out
of the lists and the '' and '' button to move all addresses.

I think that the problem is that you haven't got a valid address book
section selected and thus can't see any names as yet.
- -8-

Also you should carefully check the default address book selected in
Account | Properties | General as Lars suggested.

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C.C. - task progress

[William Moore]

Hello TBUDL,
I know TB! is good but was I mistaken or did I see 101% in the
'task progress' part of the connection centre dialogue?
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Re: C.C. - task progress

[Thomas F]

Hi William,

On Thu, 28 Jun 2001 11:34:37 +0100GMT (28/06/2001, 18:34 +0800GMT),
William Moore wrote:

WM I know TB! is good but was I mistaken or did I see 101% in the
WM 'task progress' part of the connection centre dialogue?

That's were you see how good it *really* is!

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Re: Check log for details

[David van Zuijlekom]

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Hello Markus,

On Wednesday, June 27, 2001 at 14:14:53 +0200, Markus Gloede [MG]
wrote concerning 'Check log for details':

MG The Bat only logs what is happening at its protocol level
MG (POP/IMAP/SMTP), for deeper information (lower protocols) you'll
MG have to use additional tools.

What kind of tools can you use for that?

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Re[2]: TB! V1.53d - printing difficulty

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hello Dierk,

On Thursday, June 28, 2001 10:38:22 [ +0200 GMT], you wrote the
following in regards to 'TB! V1.53d - printing difficulty':

Dierk Maybe a good new feature would be a central place for all templates 

  Now there's another good idea.

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Re: Check log for details

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

On Thursday, June 28, 2001, 1:39:55 PM, David van Zuijlekom wrote:

MG The Bat only logs what is happening at its protocol level
MG (POP/IMAP/SMTP), for deeper information (lower protocols) you'll
MG have to use additional tools.

 What kind of tools can you use for that?

Sorry, I don't know any by heart. You'd need something like a TCP logger
or spy. Yet, be warned logging IP traffic within you LAN or beyond might
be considered an intrusion.

Regards,

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Re[2]: Some eval questions

[Mark A. Chalkley]

Wednesday, June 27, 2001, 8:04:57 PM, you wrote:

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G Hello Mark,

G Wednesday, June 27, 2001, 17:43:50, you wrote:


MAC Second, is there any way to convert a mailbox from the e-mail client
MAC program Calypso?  I'm evaluating The Bat! because my current
snip

G I used Calypso for a little while and it is very easy to convert to The
G Bat!  Firstly, save to archive any files or folders you want in Calypso.
G Secondly, select Tools | Import Messages | From UNIX-mailboxes in The Bat!
G and point to the archived Calypso text file.  Done.

Thanks, Gary.  Did you find, though, that folder hierarchies aren't
preserved?  It looks like I have to recreate each of the 40 or so folders manually,
then export and import each one separately.  What a pain...


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Re[2]: Some eval questions

[Mark A. Chalkley]

Wednesday, June 27, 2001, 7:47:35 PM, you wrote:

MAC First, is it possible to have multiple POP accounts share common mail
MAC folders within a single Inbox?

ACM With the use of filters, yes. However, you'd still have to create the
ACM seven accounts you mentioned and you'll have to create filters for all the
ACM accounts to move the messages to the desired folders in the main account
ACM you wish to work. Not a very good solution if it involves so many
ACM accounts.

Thanks (to you and two others) for the suggestion.  I've been working
on implementing this, and had hoped that I could have one filter for
Incoming mail in each of the secondary accounts which would simply
move the mail to the Inbox of the primary account.  Then, I'd have
filters for the Incoming mail in the primary account that would put
the mail in the specific folders.  That way, I'd only have to put in
one set of the 15 or so filters I need, since there doesn't seem to be
any way to copy filters from one account to another.  But this doesn't
work, either.  Even if I check the continue filtering option in the
filter in the secondary accounts, the filters in the primary
account aren't activated by the appearance of the mail in the Inbox.
The only way I can get the filters to work is to manually apply them
over and over again.  Am I stuck with having to create a copy of all
those filters in each account?  Thanks again...


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Re: Duplicate mails

[Silviu Cojocaru]

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Monday, June 25, 2001, 11:16:39 PM, John Phillips wrote:

 Just curious - what causes duplicate posts - duplicate in the
 sense that ~everything~ is duplicated; not just a re-post by
 the author?

Well, one thing that could cause duplicate mails is this
scenario:

- - you are retrieving mail from your ISPs POP3 server, and
suddenly the line drops and the connection is cut. Well the
server as smart as it is, will all mail as being new again
because the mail retrieval didn't finish as it should have.
Now you are downloading *all* your messages again, and after the
download completes OK you will use the Kill-dupes function to
erase all duplicate mail :)

Sometimes I get dupes in a diff manner, which I can't really
explain :( But heh, I can live with it :)

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Re[3]: Some eval questions

[Gary]

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Hello Mark,

Thursday, June 28, 2001, 08:50:28, you wrote:

MAC Wednesday, June 27, 2001, 8:04:57 PM, you wrote:

G -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-

G Hello Mark,

G Wednesday, June 27, 2001, 17:43:50, you wrote:


MAC Second, is there any way to convert a mailbox from the e-mail client
MAC program Calypso?  I'm evaluating The Bat! because my current
MAC snip

G I used Calypso for a little while and it is very easy to convert to The
G Bat!  Firstly, save to archive any files or folders you want in
Calypso.
G Secondly, select Tools | Import Messages | From UNIX-mailboxes in The
Bat!
G and point to the archived Calypso text file.  Done.

MAC Thanks, Gary.  Did you find, though, that folder hierarchies aren't
MAC preserved?  It looks like I have to recreate each of the 40 or so
folders manually,
MAC then export and import each one separately.  What a pain...

You are correct and that is exactly what I had to do with more than 40
folders.  The good news is that it gave me an opportunity to set the
hierarchies in a way that I like better.

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Re: Check log for details

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello David,

On Thursday, June 28, 2001 at 1:39:55 PM you wrote:

MG The Bat only logs what is happening at its protocol level
MG (POP/IMAP/SMTP), for deeper information (lower protocols) you'll
MG have to use additional tools.

DvZ What kind of tools can you use for that?

Maybe you want to try

http://www.datanerds.net/~mike/dsniff.html

There's also a link to Analyzer what maybe could do what you need. Not as
good as 'ethereal' but I've not read yet about a windows port of ethereal :-(

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Re: Some eval questions

[Markus Gloede]

Hi,

Mark A. Chalkley wrote:

 since there doesn't seem to be any way to copy filters from one
 account to another.

Objection! With 1.53d, which you are using, you can copy filters! They
are even editable as TXT information in your clipboard.

Regards,

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Re[2]: TB! V1.53d - printing difficulty

[JOANNE VIRANT]

Hello Marck,

Bingo, Boys! Now I really know we are making progress. When I go to
acct properties to select the default address book, my only option is
*default*. How do I change it so that I can select my intermediate
adb? I thought I'd clicked on everything, but obviously not.


JV I am replying to you from the now reinstalled 1.53, which still is
JV not giving me the address book where I need it. I agree with all
JV you wrote and understand. And I am very happy that no one else has
JV my problem, because it makes me confident we can figure this out.

MDP We can. I feel it in my bones ;-).

JV ... Now the 3rd square has the address book icon. If I R click on
JV it, I get the same thing I did when I R click on the blue arrow
JV just mentioned. But a L click brings up a window with the blue bar
JV at the top. It says 'Pick E-mail addresses' and it opens up an
JV empty address book. I also see TO/CC/BCC, but there are no names
JV that are highlightable...or available to select.

MDP snip ok, favorites..got it

JV Does that help?

MDP Yes. This is the correct place. Now, just underneath the 'Pick E-mail
MDP addresses' caption is a box with a black down-pointing arrow at the
MDP right hand side. This allows you to choose which area of the address
MDP book to look in for addresses. L-click on the down arrow and choose
MDP Personal address book or one of the Groups within it. The larger
MDP panel beneath that box fills with all available email addresses from
MDP the selected section.

No. L ro R click, makes no difference. There are no names of adb to
select from.

MDP Double click on names to add them to the list of names in the
MDP currently selected tab on the right hand side of the window (To, CC or
MDP BCC). Use the '' and '' buttons to move single addresses in and out
MDP of the lists and the '' and '' button to move all addresses.

MDP I think that the problem is that you haven't got a valid address book
MDP section selected and thus can't see any names as yet.

yes. I agree

MDP Also you should carefully check the default address book selected in
MDP Account | Properties | General as Lars suggested.

MDP - --
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Re[2]: TB! V1.53d - printing difficulty

[JOANNE VIRANT]

What I have done is made new address books, and copied from the
intermediate book. So although that did not fix the problem, (because
to view the Intermediate adb is still not coming up as an option,)by
making new adb, I am able to use it how I would like to now. Thank you
all for all your help.
Joanne

MDP On 28 June 2001 at  22:01:28 -0700 (which was 06:01 where I live)
MDP JOANNE VIRANT wrote to Marck D Pearlstone and made these points:

JV I am replying to you from the now reinstalled 1.53, which still is
JV not giving me the address book where I need it. I agree with all
JV you wrote and understand. And I am very happy that no one else has
JV my problem, because it makes me confident we can figure this out.

MDP We can. I feel it in my bones ;-).

JV ... The questions you asked earlier, about File, save, etc...

MDP Ooops. I've just realised that my reply to your previous response
MDP which contain a whole bunch of new questions didn't get to the list
MDP two days ago :-(((. I'll re-post them here. There may be some new
MDP clues for you.

- -8-

MDP On 26 June 2001 at  22:15:34 -0700 (which was 06:15 where I live)
MDP JOANNE VIRANT wrote to [EMAIL PROTECTED] and made these points:

JV ... Now the 3rd square has the address book icon. If I R click on
JV it, I get the same thing I did when I R click on the blue arrow
JV just mentioned. But a L click brings up a window with the blue bar
JV at the top. It says 'Pick E-mail addresses' and it opens up an
JV empty address book. I also see TO/CC/BCC, but there are no names
JV that are highlightable...or available to select.

MDP snip

JV Does that help?

MDP Yes. This is the correct place. Now, just underneath the 'Pick E-mail
MDP addresses' caption is a box with a black down-pointing arrow at the
MDP right hand side. This allows you to choose which area of the address
MDP book to look in for addresses. L-click on the down arrow and choose
MDP Personal address book or one of the Groups within it. The larger
MDP panel beneath that box fills with all available email addresses from
MDP the selected section.

MDP Double click on names to add them to the list of names in the
MDP currently selected tab on the right hand side of the window (To, CC or
MDP BCC). Use the '' and '' buttons to move single addresses in and out
MDP of the lists and the '' and '' button to move all addresses.

MDP I think that the problem is that you haven't got a valid address book
MDP section selected and thus can't see any names as yet.
- -8-

MDP Also you should carefully check the default address book selected in
MDP Account | Properties | General as Lars suggested.

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Bat Cannot Download E-Mail

[i a n - e d i b l e]

Hello All,

The Bat has recently stopped being able to collect my mail. I changed my POP3 password via Telnet to my University servers a few days ago. When I try to collect my mail, the bat remembers my old e-mail password, and when I put the new one in and click update account tickbox, i just cannot connect. My log shows:

*28/06/2001, 19:02:16: FETCH - receiving mail messages
+28/06/2001, 19:02:17: FETCH - connected to POP3 server
!28/06/2001, 19:02:27: FETCH - Server reports error. The response is: -ERR [AUTH] Password supplied for smgxian is incorrect.
!28/06/2001, 19:02:37: FETCH - Connection to host broken (last commands sent were: USER smgxian, PASS)
+28/06/2001, 19:02:37: FETCH - connection finished - 0 messages received

In older versions of the Bat, there were options in the Account settings to allow one to turn on or off remembering of the password which has gone in the newer version. Anyone have any ideas on how I can get the Bat back working??? Other mail clients are having no problem.

Ian


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Re: Bat Cannot Download E-Mail

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi i,

On 28 June 2001 at  19:09:32 +0100 (which was 19:09 where I live)  i a
n - e d i b l e wrote to TBUDL and made these points:

 In older versions of the Bat, there were options in the Account
 settings to allow one to turn on or off remembering of the password
 which has gone in the newer version. Anyone have any ideas on how I
 can get the Bat back working???

In Account | Properties | Transport | Receive mail press the
Authenitcation button and (temporarily) turn on the Do not store
password, prompt on mail retrieval switch. At the next mail check,
enter you new password then you can safely turn the switch back off
again.

That should fix it.

 Other mail clients are having no problem.

I wouldn't say that! Poco, for instance, writes in HTML and breaks the
list rules! Then the reply text from your Poco message needs manual
coaxing into any semblance of legibility because of all of the missing
spaces at the ends of the formatted lines.

Please use a more recipient-friendly email client next time you're let
down by TB! ;-).

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Re[2]: Bat Cannot Download E-Mail

[Ian Andolina]

 On  28  June  2001  at  19:29:31GMT  +0100  (19:26  for  me)  Marck D
 Pearlstone wrote in Bat Cannot Download E-Mail:



MDP In  Account  |  Properties | Transport | Receive mail press the
MDP Authenitcation button and (temporarily) turn on the Do not store
MDP password,  prompt  on  mail  retrieval  switch. At the next mail
MDP check, enter you new password then you can safely turn the switch
MDP back off again.

MDP That should fix it.

Yes,  thank  you.  Incidentally,  why  doesn't the Bat! connect when I
re-enter the password the second time?

MDP I  wouldn't  say  that!  Poco,  for  instance, writes in HTML and
MDP breaks the list rules! Then the reply text from your Poco message
MDP needs  manual coaxing into any semblance of legibility because of
MDP all of the missing spaces at the ends of the formatted lines.

MDP Please  use  a  more  recipient-friendly  email  client next time
MDP you're let down by TB! ;-).

Yes, as soon as I sent it, I suddenly realised what I had done!!! Poco
was  left  hanging  on  my  hard  drive when I first auditioned for an
e-mail client. As we know, a contest that the Bat! wins hands down.

Sorry for the HTML mail, and thanks for your help.


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Ian Andolina

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Re[2]: Bat Cannot Download E-Mail

[Jim Winchester]

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Hello Marck,

Thursday, June 28, 2001, 12:26:24 PM, you wrote:

MDP -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
MDP Hash: SHA1

MDP Hi i,

MDP On 28 June 2001 at  19:09:32 +0100 (which was 19:09 where I live)  i a
MDP n - e d i b l e wrote to TBUDL and made these points:

 In older versions of the Bat, there were options in the Account
 settings to allow one to turn on or off remembering of the password
 which has gone in the newer version. Anyone have any ideas on how I
 can get the Bat back working???

MDP In Account | Properties | Transport | Receive mail press the
MDP Authenitcation button and (temporarily) turn on the Do not store
MDP password, prompt on mail retrieval switch. At the next mail check,
MDP enter you new password then you can safely turn the switch back off
MDP again.

MDP That should fix it.

 Other mail clients are having no problem.

MDP I wouldn't say that! Poco, for instance, writes in HTML and breaks the
MDP list rules! Then the reply text from your Poco message needs manual
MDP coaxing into any semblance of legibility because of all of the missing
MDP spaces at the ends of the formatted lines.

MDP Please use a more recipient-friendly email client next time you're let
MDP down by TB! ;-).

MDP - --
MDP Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user
MDP  ~~~
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Mark, I had no difficulty at all reading i's message, using The Bat!
It appeared as well formatted text on a gray background.

Given your development role in The Bat! I guess you are entitled to
some parental pride in the client. I have been a Eudora user for quite
some time, and TB! has impressed me enough I'm taking the time to
learn how to use it.

 Jimmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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AB trouble (was: TB! V1.53d - printing difficulty)

[Dierk Haasis]

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Hello JOANNE!

On Thursday, June 28, 2001 at 7:27:55 PM you wrote:

 What I have done is made new address books, and copied from the
 intermediate book.

Something was troubling me all the time: You always wrote of an AB
called Intermediate. Well, there is an Intermediate pre-configured
in TB!, the AB for Intermediate Certificates (for S/MIME purposes).

Is that the same as your Intermediate, or is it just coincidence
that one of your AB's is called such?

I can't test your problem according to my supposition because I
deleted the certificate's AB's some time ago, as I don't need them.


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[Mark Brown]

Hello BatList,

   

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°¨¨°º©[ WWW.MARKBROWN.COM ]©º°¨¨°

   


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Re: Bat Cannot Download E-Mail

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Jim,

Historians believe that Thu, 28 Jun 2001 at 13:04 GMT -0600 was when,
Jim Winchester [JW] typed the following:

JW Mark, I had no difficulty at all reading i's message, using The Bat!
JW It appeared as well formatted text on a gray background.

 That's because you have HTML autoview selected.  If you turn off that
 option (Options - Preferences), you'll see what Marck is talking
 about.  Alternatively, you can click on the tab 1 at the bottom of
 the message.

JW I have been a Eudora user for quite some time, and TB! has
JW impressed me enough I'm taking the time to learn how to use it.

 Good luck, it's worth the effort.

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Re: Bat Cannot Download E-Mail

[Gerry Doyon]

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Hello Jim,

Thursday, June 28, 2001, 3:04:09 PM, you wrote:

MDP I wouldn't say that! Poco, for instance, writes in HTML and breaks the
MDP list rules! Then the reply text from your Poco message needs manual
MDP coaxing into any semblance of legibility because of all of the missing
MDP spaces at the ends of the formatted lines.

MDP Please use a more recipient-friendly email client next time you're let
MDP down by TB! ;-).

JW Mark, I had no difficulty at all reading i's message, using The Bat!
JW It appeared as well formatted text on a gray background.

JW Given your development role in The Bat! I guess you are entitled to
JW some parental pride in the client. I have been a Eudora user for quite
JW some time, and TB! has impressed me enough I'm taking the time to
JW learn how to use it.

I do not believe that Marck was referring to the readability of the
message.  The problem is when you *reply* to the message.  The text of
the original message goes WAY passed my 65 character length limit. So,
one is forced to manually massage the text to make it conform to a
uniformly acceptable line length.

My apologies to Marck in advance if I did not interpret his intentions
correctly. :-)

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Re: Bat Cannot Download E-Mail

[Melissa Reese]

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On Thursday, June 28, 2001, at 11:26:24 AM PDT, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

MDP Poco, for instance, writes in HTML and breaks the list rules! Then
MDP the reply text from your Poco message needs manual coaxing into any
MDP semblance of legibility because of all of the missing spaces at the
MDP ends of the formatted lines.

Hello Marck,

Before I started using The Bat! (my absolute favorite mail client, by the
way), I used both Poco and Calypso. Both, while having the capability of
composing with HTML, also have the capability to *turn off* the offending
HTML.

A new version of Poco was just released (v2.5), and since I was involved
in the beta testing, some of the things I've learned by using TB! are
slowly seeping into Pocomail's (new name) plain text editor (some text
formatting options, etc.) Poco's author is very receptive to users wishes,
and is always improving Poco. I told him that I had switched to TB! - and
why. He continued to work with me to improve Poco's text editor - based on
my experiences with TB! That said, for my needs, it's still got a ways to
go, and is still no TB!

Some mail - even plain text - that I receive from some Calypso users also
does strange things when viewed in TB! (like running off the edge of the
screen when quoted in a reply - requiring Alt-l to clean it up). For the
most part, I do feel that it's caused more by the sender's particular use
of formatting options (or lack thereof) than by the originating mail
client itself. I think.

But then, there's another kind of strange thing I've noticed between
Calypso and TB!...

If I open up an old mail I composed in Calypso (I always composed and
displayed only plain text in Calypso), and copy/paste it into my TB!
message editor, all line wrapping that was in the original Calypso message
will be gone, and will require TB!'s Alt-l treatment (I love Alt-l!).
Otherwise, it runs off the screen in one very long line.

What I don't understand in this last example is that both are dealing,
supposedly, with the very same character set and encoding (us-ascii,
7-bit). Any ideas as to why the un-formatting happens when copy/pasting
from Calypso into TB!?

Melissa
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Re: Bat Cannot Download E-Mail

[Nick Danger]

Subject: Bat Cannot Download E-Mail
   From: Melissa Reese
  Dated: Thu, 28 Jun 2001, 12:36:41 (2:36:41 PM local)
~~

 Alt-l treatment (I love Alt-l!).

Speaking of the ol' Alt-L, has anyone ever specified whether it's a
bug or just something that programming can't handle as to why when you
use the mouse to move the cursor to the text in question Alt-L doesn't
work until you moved the cursor via the keyboard?

I'm asking because the ability to point, click, and then hit a mouse
button programmed with Alt-L would be sweet in my book!

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Re: Bat Cannot Download E-Mail

[Januk Aggarwal]

Hello Nick,

Historians believe that Thu, 28 Jun 2001 at 14:49 GMT -0500 was when,
Nick Danger [ND] typed the following:

ND Speaking of the ol' Alt-L, has anyone ever specified whether it's a
ND bug or just something that programming can't handle as to why when you
ND use the mouse to move the cursor to the text in question Alt-L doesn't
ND work until you moved the cursor via the keyboard?

I think it is because you can highlight the lines you want to reformat
and hit ALT-L to reformat *only* those lines.  I'm guessing that TB
assumes you are selecting a line when you point and click.

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Re[2]: Bat Cannot Download E-Mail

[Jim Winchester]

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Hello Januk,

Thursday, June 28, 2001, 1:22:51 PM, you wrote:

JA Hello Jim,

JW Mark, I had no difficulty at all reading i's message, using The Bat!
JW It appeared as well formatted text on a gray background.

JA  That's because you have HTML autoview selected.  If you turn off that
JA  option (Options - Preferences), you'll see what Marck is talking
JA  about.  Alternatively, you can click on the tab 1 at the bottom of
JA  the message.

Ah, that is very interesting to know why the sender's text, on a
reply, does not word wrap in the reply.  I had a message from webmail
that I tried to answer and her message lines were broken and long.

Do I understand correctly that there is a way to force the quoted text
to wrap?

Best regards,
 Jimmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Re: Bat Cannot Download E-Mail

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Gerry,

On 28 June 2001 at  15:21:41 -0400 (which was 20:21 where I live)
Gerry Doyon wrote to Jim Winchester and made these points:

JW Given your development role in The Bat! I guess you are entitled
JW to some parental pride in the client.

Just to set the record straight, my only role has been to use the
software for over two years and, more recently, to have reworked the
help file for RIT labs.

JW I have been a Eudora user for quite some time, and TB! has
JW impressed me enough I'm taking the time to learn how to use it.

As has been said by Januk, I wish you all success in the endeavour.

GD I do not believe that Marck was referring to the readability of
GD the message. The problem is when you *reply* to the message. The
GD text of the original message goes WAY passed my 65 character
GD length limit. So, one is forced to manually massage the text to
GD make it conform to a uniformly acceptable line length.

*Exactly* what I was talking about. :-)

GD My apologies to Marck in advance if I did not interpret his
GD intentions correctly. :-)

You got me perfectly. It should also be taken as a jocular attempt to
point out a) the rules of the list and b) why they are so.

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Re: Bat Cannot Download E-Mail

[Marck D Pearlstone]

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Hi Melissa,

On 28 June 2001 at  12:36:41 -0700 (which was 20:36 where I live)
Melissa Reese wrote to Marck D Pearlstone and made these points:

MR What I don't understand in this last example is that both are
MR dealing, supposedly, with the very same character set and encoding
MR (us-ascii, 7-bit). Any ideas as to why the un-formatting happens
MR when copy/pasting from Calypso into TB!?

I can only assume that this is because Calypso did not use line breaks
but simply relied on re-wrapping the text for display at every
viewing. IMHO this is where TB scores big time in that What You See Is
*exactly* What You Get.

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Re: AB trouble TB! V1.53d

[JOANNE VIRANT]

Hello Dierk,
Yes, it is the pre-configured AB that was already there when I
downloaded TB. I would appreciate an explanation why I was not able
to use this one. What is meant by *Intermediate Certificates (for
S/MIME purposes)*

 What I have done is made new address books, and copied from the
 intermediate book.

DH Something was troubling me all the time: You always wrote of an AB
DH called Intermediate. Well, there is an Intermediate pre-configured
DH in TB!, the AB for Intermediate Certificates (for S/MIME purposes).

DH Is that the same as your Intermediate, or is it just coincidence
DH that one of your AB's is called such?

DH I can't test your problem according to my supposition because I
DH deleted the certificate's AB's some time ago, as I don't need them.



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Re: beat this

[JOANNE VIRANT]

Hello Mark,
   whatever you sent was removed by the bat demon
Thursday, June 28, 2001, 12:20:18 PM, you wrote:

MB Hello BatList,

   

MB --

MB Have Great Day,  Mark Brown 

MB °¨¨°º©[ WWW.MARKBROWN.COM ]©º°¨¨°

   


MB Using The Bat! 1.52f
MB Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 
MB Service Pack 4



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Newby

[John McKane]

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Greetings,

I am very new and have been readin the posts for the last two days in
an attempt to get a feel for TB.  I have downloaded and installed it
today.  Finding my way around it may take a little while as well as
learning the uniqueness of it.

Is there any soure of a manual or guide for TB?  Maybe a dumb ?!

I will keep on monitoring your posts and ad a few of my own over
time.

John

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Re:error message Exception Eaccess Violation 7FB20524

[JOANNE VIRANT]

Ever since downloading TB 1.53, I get this error message that pops up
off and on, and crashes me. I can be in the middle of just reading
emails or replying, and a window pops up ***Exception Eaccess Violation
in module theBAT.exe@7FB20524. Access violation at address 7FF21768.
Read of address 7FF21768***. Then, if I try to click the x in upper
right corner, to make the message go away, all the error window does
is scootch down and to the right a tad, each time I click on the x.
Eventually, obviously, I reach the lower right corner of my screen and
all my programs close and I am back at my desktop.
Can anyone enlighten me as to why this is happening and how do I get
rid of the problem? Thank you.

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