Re: question - how can email be sent from me that I didn't send

2002-06-24 Thread Thomas F

Hello Lynn,

On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 21:00:08 -0700 GMT (24/06/02, 11:00 +0700 GMT),
Lynn Turriff wrote:

LT Is there any way, apart from intuitive deduction, to
LT identify which information is forged, and which genuine?

Yes, and sorry for my typo in the previous mail. It should have been:

TF In order to find that injection point, YOU have to compare a
TF few mails' headers.
  ^^^

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MD5 sum for 1.60q *.exe

2002-06-24 Thread Robert Golovniov

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Hello tbudl,

  On  Saturday,  my  computer crashed for some reasons. Shortly before
  the  crash,  I  got  the  message  from Kerio Firewall that the file
  thebat.exe has been replaced with another file of the same  name.

  Today,  after  I reinstalled everything, including The Bat!, I again
  received  the  same  warning.  I mean, for the first couple of hours
  everything was OK, but then this warning...

  Has  any  of you experienced something similar? Can somebody perhaps
  send  me  the  MD5 sum of his thebat.exe file for the 1.60q  version?
  What I have now is this: 7fbf3470708874e539621680a539a509

  Thanks in advance for your help.

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Re: MD5 sum for 1.60q *.exe

2002-06-24 Thread Marcus Ohlstrm


On Monday, June 24, 2002, 12:21, Robert Golovniov wrote:

 Can somebody perhaps send me the MD5 sum of his thebat.exe file for
 the 1.60q version? What I have now is this:
 7fbf3470708874e539621680a539a509

Same here and everything works fine.

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Re: MD5 sum for 1.60q *.exe

2002-06-24 Thread Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris)

Hello!


On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 13:21:49 +0300 Robert Golovniov 
[EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:


RG Has  any  of you experienced something similar?

No.

RG Can somebody perhaps send me the MD5 sum of his thebat.exe file 
for the
RG 1.60q version?
RG What I have now is this: 7fbf3470708874e539621680a539a509

This value is identical to what I have got on my sustem.


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Re: filter to delete HTML attachments

2002-06-24 Thread Tim Musson

Hey Zachary,

My MUA believes you used The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Saturday, June 22, 2002 at 11:57:28 PM.

ZR I subscribe to a mailing list where almost all of the members send
ZR messages with HTML formatting. If you ask me, HTML in email is a
ZR waste and an epidemic.

A number of people on this list agree with (me included).

ZR But this mailing list is not computer related

...

ZR I have a folder made for all the messages to this list, but I'm
ZR wondering if there's a way to set a filter to delete the 'attachment'
ZR - that is the HTML formatting - from each message to the list.

Not easily, but you can look in the archives to see if there is
something usefull for you.

,- [ From the archive (I searched with 'delete HTML attachment' ]
| http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg40416.html
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Re[2]: MD5 sum for 1.60q *.exe

2002-06-24 Thread Robert Golovniov

Hello Marcus,

Monday, June 24, 2002, 2:07:48 PM, you wrote:

MO Same here and everything works fine.

What,  then,  can  be  the  reasons  of such a strange behaviour of my
firewall?

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Not have subject auto-complete

2002-06-24 Thread Rick Reumann

Bat List,

The auto-complete for the subject seems to complete too quickly and is
a bit annoying. The problem is I like having the auto-complete for the
addresses. Is there anyway to have The Bat set up to not auto-complete
the subject line, but to just auto-complete the address field. In
Preferences it looks like you have options about how you want the
address to auto-complete but you can't seem to turn off the subject
auto-complete without also turning off the address auto-complete.

Thank for any help,

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Re: MD5 sum for 1.60q *.exe

2002-06-24 Thread Julian Beach (Lists)

On Monday, June 24, 2002, 1:58:54 PM, Robert Golovniov wrote:

 What,  then,  can  be  the  reasons  of such a strange behaviour of my
 firewall?

Does the firewall keep track of applications to monitor for Trojans?
What it might be warning you is that the checksum of the original
version of TB is not the same as the current one.  I get similar
behaviour from BlackICE after installing a new TB EXE file - BlackICE
will not let it run or communicate with the internal until I give it
permission, and will keep doing so until I update the application
checksum database that BlackICE maintains.

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OT testing. please ignore. sorry.

2002-06-24 Thread Rick Reumann



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Re: MD5 sum for 1.60q *.exe

2002-06-24 Thread Jonathan Angliss

On Monday, June 24, 2002, Robert Golovniov wrote...

   Has  any  of you experienced something similar? Can somebody perhaps
   send  me  the  MD5 sum of his thebat.exe file for the 1.60q  version?
   What I have now is this: 7fbf3470708874e539621680a539a509

Is 1.60q a full install?  Or just an over-write of the exe?  Could it
be that your firewall is seeing the MD5 for the old program if you
just replaced it?

   Thanks in advance for your help.



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Re: Questions

2002-06-24 Thread Damian Gerow

Spake [EMAIL PROTECTED] on 6/21/2002, at 17:12:42 -0700:
 i-dle, adj., idler, idlest, v. idled, idling --adj.
 1. unemployed, or doing nothing
 2. unoccupied
 3. not kept busy or in use or operation
 4. habitually doing nothing or avoiding work
 5. of no real worth, importance, or significance
 6. baseless or groundless
 7. frivolous or vain
 8. futile
 9. useless

 Syn. indolent, lazy, slothful

 Random House American College Dictionary

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Re: Questions

2002-06-24 Thread Damian Gerow

Spake Thomas F on 6/21/2002, at 08:17:47 +0700:
 And why would Windows care about the actual definition? MS could just
 have redefined it... ;-)
 
And just for informational purposes...

I left my computer all weekend, but apparently, since I check my mail every
60 seconds, my computer is not 'idle'.  So I have to either re-define idle,
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MAIL DOWNLOADING PROBLEMS

2002-06-24 Thread Joyce Sala




Hello everybody,

I sincerely hope one of you can help me with this riddle.
I've just installed TB and, after it performed perfectly well immediately 
following the installation, I set it aside AS IS because I wanted to try another 
software before deciding.

A week later - that is today - I came back to TB and suddenly I have a very 
strange problem that prevents me from downloading my mail.

It recognizes the server and even tells me how many messages it's going to 
download. Then during the actual process, it tells me:
"Received message from X, subject Y, etc. etc."
"Could notstore message (file name: 
C:\Windows\temp\bat123.temp)"
Where X  Y are precise details of the message (i.e. it reads the 
message properties), and 123 is a serial number for the message.

Furthermore - whether because of that or not - it does not actually 
download the mail, although the proper box has been checked to delete from the 
server once downloaded.

I can't understand at all what's missing here!

Can anyone help me please?

Thanks in advance

Joyce
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Re: MAIL DOWNLOADING PROBLEMS

2002-06-24 Thread Marcus Ohlstrm


On Monday, June 24, 2002, 17:20, Joyce Sala wrote:

 A week later - that is today - I came back to TB and suddenly I have a
 very strange problem that prevents me from downloading my mail.

 It recognizes the server and even tells me how many messages it's
 going to download. Then during the actual process, it tells me:
 Received message from X, subject Y, etc. etc.
 Could not store message (file name: C:\Windows\temp\bat123.temp)

Does C:\Windows\temp\ still exist?

Do you have write priviliges to that directory?

Is there space available on the C: drive?

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Re: Not have subject auto-complete

2002-06-24 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Rick,

@24 June 2002, 09:48:52 -0400 (14:48 UK time) Rick Reumann wrote in
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 ... Is there anyway to have The Bat set up to not auto-complete the
 subject line, but to just auto-complete the address field.

Why not just ignore it and keep typing? The auto-complete will let you
carry on typing from where you left off and override the suggestion.

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Re: MAIL DOWNLOADING PROBLEMS

2002-06-24 Thread Lars Geiger

Hi Joyce,
On Monday, June 24, 2002 at 17:20:47 [GMT +0200], you wrote:

 It recognizes the server and even tells me how many messages it's
 going to download. Then during the actual process, it tells me:
 Received message from X, subject Y, etc. etc. Could not store
 message (file name: C:\Windows\temp\bat123.temp) Where X  Y are
 precise details of the message (i.e. it reads the message properties),
 and 123 is a serial number for the message.

TB! stores downloaded messages in a temporary file before actually
importing it into its message base. This is the
C:\Windows\temp\bat123.temp file you are referring to. It seems that
something prevents TB! from creating this file.

One common reason for such behaviour is that one message in your mailbox
is infected with a virus and a virus scanner prevents TB! from creating
the temporary file. That way, the infected mail is never deleted from
the server (because the deletion takes only place after successfully
importing a message to the message base) and is downloaded again every
time you check your mail. Try the mail dispatcher (Account - Dispatch
messages on server - All messages) to have a look at your messages on
the server.

BTW, the users on this list are usually very kind and help each other
without shouting in the subject or setting messages to high priority.
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Re[2]: Not have subject auto-complete

2002-06-24 Thread Rick Reumann

On Monday, June 24, 2002, 10:21:28 AM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:


MDP Why not just ignore it and keep typing? The auto-complete will let you
MDP carry on typing from where you left off and override the suggestion.

 Well, it seems to auto-complete pretty quick. Not a big deal
 though you are right as long as I don't pause when typing the
 subject. THanks for the feedback.


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Re: Not have subject auto-complete

2002-06-24 Thread Miguel A. Urech

Hello Marck,

 Why not just ignore it and keep typing? The auto-complete will let you
 carry on typing from where you left off and override the suggestion.

The problem comes when you want to type a shorter subject. For
example, if I send a message with subject Test number 2 and later I
want to send one with subject Test, it is quite likely the it will
go out with Test number 2 also. It's happened to me several times.

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Re: Not have subject auto-complete

2002-06-24 Thread Marcus Ohlstrm


On Monday, June 24, 2002, 16:39, Miguel A. Urech wrote:

 The problem comes when you want to type a shorter subject. For
 example, if I send a message with subject Test number 2 and later I
 want to send one with subject Test, it is quite likely the it will
 go out with Test number 2 also. It's happened to me several times.

I agree that it can be annoying but you know you can hit the delete
button, don't you? Maybe not a solution but at least a workaround.

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Re: Not have subject auto-complete

2002-06-24 Thread Nick Danger

Subject: Not Have Subject Auto-Complete
   From: Marcus Ohlström
~~

Hello Marcus,

 The problem comes when you want to type a shorter subject. For
 example, if I send a message with subject Test number 2 and later I
 want to send one with subject Test, it is quite likely the it will
 go out with Test number 2 also. It's happened to me several times.

 I agree that it can be annoying but you know you can hit the delete
 button, don't you? Maybe not a solution but at least a workaround.

One spot where that won't even work is with letter case.  Say I shoot
off a quick note to my home address and put reminder as the subject.
Later I'm sending a note to my boss and want to type Reminder. Auto
correct changes it to reminder and it a PITA to override.

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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-24 Thread Joyce Sala

Hi Marcus,

Does C:\Windows\temp\ still exist?
Yes, with all the temp files it made from TB.

Do you have write priviliges to that directory?
Nope.

Is there space available on the C: drive?
Yep! 15GB free...

Any ideas?

Joyce



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- Original Message -
From: Marcus Ohlström [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: June 24, 2002 4:18 PM
Subject: Re: MAIL DOWNLOADING PROBLEMS



 On Monday, June 24, 2002, 17:20, Joyce Sala wrote:

  A week later - that is today - I came back to TB and suddenly
I have a
  very strange problem that prevents me from downloading my
mail.

  It recognizes the server and even tells me how many messages
it's
  going to download. Then during the actual process, it tells
me:
  Received message from X, subject Y, etc. etc.
  Could not store message (file name:
C:\Windows\temp\bat123.temp)

 Does C:\Windows\temp\ still exist?

 Do you have write priviliges to that directory?

 Is there space available on the C: drive?

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 Marcus Ohlström

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Pack 2
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RE: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-24 Thread Weaven, ChristopherX

 Does C:\Windows\temp\ still exist?
 Yes, with all the temp files it made from TB.
 
 Do you have write priviliges to that directory?
 Nope.
 
Looks like you'll be needing write access to that directory, as it needs to
create the temp file.

 Is there space available on the C: drive?
 Yep! 15GB free...


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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-24 Thread Jonathan Angliss

On Monday, June 24, 2002, Joyce Sala wrote...

 Do you have write priviliges to that directory?
 Nope.

Then find out how to get write privileges to it... Then hopefully this
should go away.

 Is there space available on the C: drive?
 Yep! 15GB free...

 Any ideas?

Also when quoting, you appear not to put in any form of identification
to show the difference between your quote, and your reply.  This gets
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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-24 Thread Marcus Ohlstrm


On Monday, June 24, 2002, 18:10, Joyce Sala wrote:

 Do you have write priviliges to that directory?

 Nope.

 Any ideas?

Yes. If you do not have write privileges to your temp directory then TB!
can't write anything there which prevents it from processing your mails
(as Lars Geiger pointed out TB! always writes the message to your temp
directory before importing it to your message base).

Try giving yourself write privileges to that directory and see if it
works better.

I'm however a bit suspicious, C:\Windows\Temp is normally only found on
Windows 9x systems and if I remember correctly you can not restrict
access privileges on those systems. I might be wrong here, it's been a
while since I last used Windows 9x. Maybe someone else could straiten
this out. And it would of course help if you told us which Windows
version you are using.


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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-24 Thread Joyce Sala

Hi Lars,

Sorry for the caps I was just too tired fighting TB to notice.

One common reason for such behaviour is that one message in your
mailbox is infected with a virus and a virus scanner prevents TB!
from creating the temporary file. That way, the infected mail is
never deleted from the server (because the deletion takes only
place after successfully
importing a message to the message base) and is downloaded again
every time you check your mail. 

I think that's quite unlikely, as I have Norton updated *daily*,
and when ther is a virus (such as our *beloved* klez) it
quarantines it on my PC.
Or are you saying it's a virus attacking my ISP server?? For Two
Weeks?? (msgs are since Jun 14), hardly: this ISP is the biggest
in the country!


Try the mail dispatcher (Account - Dispatch messages on
server - All messages) to have a look at your messages on the
server.

I did that now: but other than being able to read the contents, I
cannot save nor can I see any virus notification. What was I
supposed to glean from that?

Excuse me for my ignorance...

Joyce


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Phone   : 972 - 3 - 649 1806
Fax  :   972 - 3 - 644 4510
Primary E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Alternative E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]

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- Original Message -
From: Lars Geiger [EMAIL PROTECTED]
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: June 24, 2002 4:24 PM
Subject: Re: MAIL DOWNLOADING PROBLEMS


 Hi Joyce,
 On Monday, June 24, 2002 at 17:20:47 [GMT +0200], you wrote:

  It recognizes the server and even tells me how many messages
it's
  going to download. Then during the actual process, it tells
me:
  Received message from X, subject Y, etc. etc. Could not
store
  message (file name: C:\Windows\temp\bat123.temp) Where X  Y
are
  precise details of the message (i.e. it reads the message
properties),
  and 123 is a serial number for the message.

 TB! stores downloaded messages in a temporary file before
actually
 importing it into its message base. This is the
 C:\Windows\temp\bat123.temp file you are referring to. It
seems that
 something prevents TB! from creating this file.

 One common reason for such behaviour is that one message in your
mailbox
 is infected with a virus and a virus scanner prevents TB! from
creating
 the temporary file. That way, the infected mail is never deleted
from
 the server (because the deletion takes only place after
successfully
 importing a message to the message base) and is downloaded again
every
 time you check your mail. Try the mail dispatcher (Account -
Dispatch
 messages on server - All messages) to have a look at your
messages on
 the server.

 BTW, the users on this list are usually very kind and help each
other
 without shouting in the subject or setting messages to high
priority.
 :-)

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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-24 Thread Joyce Sala

Hi Weaven,

You are the 2nd person telling me that but I don't have ANY
access limitation on ANY of my directories! So how can that be?

Frankly I'm groping in the dark.

Help!

Joyce

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To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: June 24, 2002 5:02 PM
Subject: RE: Mail downloading problems


  Does C:\Windows\temp\ still exist?
  Yes, with all the temp files it made from TB.
 
  Do you have write priviliges to that directory?
  Nope.

 Looks like you'll be needing write access to that directory, as
it needs to
 create the temp file.

  Is there space available on the C: drive?
  Yep! 15GB free...

 
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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-24 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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@24 June 2002, 18:10:00 +0200 (17:10 UK time) Joyce Sala wrote in
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 Does C:\Windows\temp\ still exist?

 Yes, with all the temp files it made from TB.

 Do you have write priviliges to that directory?

 Nope.

You don't? Isn't that a problem in itself?

Please read Lars' reply carefully. I think it may also have a bearing
on the issue.

moderator

Please do not quote signatures and footers when replying to the list.

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is called top quoting and means that you let the quotes appear at
the bottom and type your reply at the top.

I have many reasons to *not* prefer the top quoting method...
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Re: MD5 sum for 1.60q *.exe

2002-06-24 Thread Thomas F

Hello Robert,

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 13:21:49 +0300 GMT (24/06/02, 17:21 +0700 GMT),
Robert Golovniov wrote:

RG   Today,  after  I reinstalled everything, including The Bat!, I again
RG   received  the  same  warning.  I mean, for the first couple of hours
RG   everything was OK, but then this warning...

After having read the other replies, I have another theory. This is
based on TPF (predecessor of Kerio) reporting that Kernel32.DLL wanted
to connect out. I checked the file with PCC6, who reported no error,
so I sent the file to the Virus Doctors over at Trend. They replied
that what I had sent them was the unaltered file distributed with
Chinese Windows (I hadn't told them about Chinese).

Anyway, it turned out I had a trojan on my HD that claimed to be the
kernel file. You may have a trojan that claims to be TB.

Now checking for trojans is tricky, as several anti-trojan tools are
good, but none of them came over the 90% detection rate that I read in
tests at that time (over a year ago). So it is best to run several,
one after the other. Some are freeware, some give you an eval period
of 30 days. (BTW PC-Cillin, known as an anti-virus tool, also scored
relatively high in the anti-trojan test.)

In my case, the problem only disappeared after a Windows reinstall
(after an unrelated HD crash).

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Re: Questions

2002-06-24 Thread Thomas F

Hello Damian,

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 10:08:47 -0400 GMT (24/06/02, 21:08 +0700 GMT),
Damian Gerow wrote:

DG I left my computer all weekend, but apparently, since I check my mail every
DG 60 seconds, my computer is not 'idle'.  So I have to either re-define idle,
DG or take out the idle check.

I believe idle in compu-speak is measured in nanoseconds. Again, it
might have been redefined in Redmond.

But then, checking every 60 seconds is rather often... if I did get
mail every 60 seconds, I would probably not be able to read that fast.
;-) Over here, every 5 minutes is the fastest I've ever used.

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Re: MAIL DOWNLOADING PROBLEMS

2002-06-24 Thread Thomas F

Hello Joyce,

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:20:47 +0200 GMT (24/06/02, 22:20 +0700 GMT),
Joyce Sala wrote:

JS It recognizes the server and even tells me how many messages it's
JS going to download. Then during the actual process, it tells me:
JS Received message from X, subject Y, etc. etc. Could not store
JS message (file name: C:\Windows\temp\bat123.temp) Where X  Y are
JS precise details of the message (i.e. it reads the message
JS properties), and 123 is a serial number for the message.

Do you have an antivirus software running? I suspect that mail
contains a virus. The mail gets downloaded into the C:\Windows\temp
directory and will be quarantined right away. TB cannot import it, of
course.

In that case, you have to use the mail despatcher and delete the
message without downloading it. Unless you want to download the cirus,
in which case you have to disable your AV software instead.

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Re: Not have subject auto-complete

2002-06-24 Thread Thomas F

Hello Rick,

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 09:48:52 -0400 GMT (24/06/02, 20:48 +0700 GMT),
Rick Reumann wrote:

RR The problem is I like having the auto-complete for the addresses.
RR Is there anyway to have The Bat set up to not auto-complete the
RR subject line, but to just auto-complete the address field.

The way I see it, you have to use an autocomplete option that does not
include history. I don't history anyway; if you type an address,
the history option will sometimes autocomplete a whole line of
addresses, even if you only want that one address.

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Re[4]: question - how can email be sent from me that I didn't send

2002-06-24 Thread Lynn Turriff



Sunday, June 23, 2002, 9:05:22 PM, you wrote:

JA Try looking at the Full headers for the email... The
JA From: header is easily forged, as you can tell, and
JA can also be guessed from the recent Klez virus (or 99%
JA of spam) ;)

Yeah, I see a lot of those too.

JA By tracing down the recieved headers, you
JA can work out the path it took, and ultimately the
JA senders ISP, providing they didn't use some obscure
JA proxy server to send through.

It sounds reasonable, and I've apparently lost the mail,
(I would have sent the header) but there was no path .. no
received headers .. it was as though I really had sent the
mail directly from myself to myself.

The only tipoff that I *hadn't* done that was that I have a
very old email address, and originally because of some
peculiarity with the server it had to be used as
'[EMAIL PROTECTED]' .. I didn't know it still worked
in that form, but I haven't used it that way for years.
Evidently these lists persist for a very long time,
because it has to be at least 6 years old.

Maybe that explains my really severe spam problem :-)

JA Glad I could help a little :)

Yeah, you did, but it's still something of a mystery :-)

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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-24 Thread Tim Musson

Hey Joyce,

My MUA believes you used Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2600.
to write 004101c21b9c$31751500$920e08d5@joycesala">mid:004101c21b9c$31751500$920e08d5@joycesala
on Monday, June 24, 2002 at 12:28:36 PM.

 One common reason for such behaviour is that one message in your
 mailbox is infected with a virus and a virus scanner prevents TB!
 from creating the temporary file.

JS Or are you saying it's a virus attacking my ISP server??

Close, he is saying that the first msg TB is trying to DL is possibly
infected, so NAV is locking the temp file.  Now TB is stuck...

JS For Two Weeks?? (msgs are since Jun 14), hardly: this ISP is the
JS biggest in the country!

yep, the msg will sit there until you remove it... Try using the
dispatcher to delete the first msg, or possibly set up another test
account at one of the free mail services (for example
www.myrealbox.com).

 Try the mail dispatcher (Account - Dispatch messages on
 server - All messages) to have a look at your messages on the
 server.

JS I did that now: but other than being able to read the contents, I
JS cannot save nor can I see any virus notification. What was I
JS supposed to glean from that?

JS Excuse me for my ignorance...

We are here to help g

btw, you said in a previous msg see 003501c21b99$98513400$920e08d5@joycesala">mid:003501c21b99$98513400$920e08d5@joycesala
that you did not have access to your c:\windows\temp dir. If this is
the case, are you having other problems too? Lots of programs use
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Re[2]: Not have subject auto-complete

2002-06-24 Thread Rick Reumann

On Monday, June 24, 2002, 10:54:07 AM, Nick Danger wrote:

N
ND One spot where that won't even work is with letter case.

EXACTLY! That's where I was having major trouble as well. It one
point I typed [ot] and I want to switch it to [OT] and I had to
type that pretty darn fast in order to prevent the over-ride.

I don't think an option to turn off auto-complete for the subject
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Re[4]: question - how can email be sent from me that I didn't send

2002-06-24 Thread Lynn Turriff



Sunday, June 23, 2002, 9:11:06 PM, you wrote:

JA Hi Lynn,
JA On Sun, 23 Jun 2002 21:00:08 -0700, you wrote:

 Thanks ..
 
 Is there any way, apart from intuitive deduction, to
 identify which information is forged, and which genuine?

JA Take a quick look at the headers... some (helpful) mail servers put in may be
JA forged headers along with the details.

 [snip]
 
JA Notice the line says it's from caramail.com, then has
JA the real host details of a dial up connection in the
JA brackets... clearly the spammer attempted to forge the
JA header, but the mail server pointed it out. But apart
JA from actually sitting there, and processing them, no
JA real quick way. I guess you could submit it to
JA spamcop, and get spamcop to do all the header
JA processing for you, and when you have the details,
JA cancel the report... just an idea ;)

OK .. if my friend's harassment problem persists, I may do
one of those things. It's always nice to have
alternatives, and I'm an info junkie anyway.

Thanks!



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Re: Questions

2002-06-24 Thread Damian Gerow

Spake Thomas F on 6/24/2002, at 22:27:50 +0700:
 I believe idle in compu-speak is measured in nanoseconds. Again, it
 might have been redefined in Redmond.

Yep.  I ask it to do it if it's been idle for 3 minutes.

 But then, checking every 60 seconds is rather often... if I did get
 mail every 60 seconds, I would probably not be able to read that fast.
 ;-) Over here, every 5 minutes is the fastest I've ever used.
 
I usually get somewhere between two and ten messages every couple of
minutes.  On a bad day, it's upwards of forty.  On a good day (or a day
in which things are severely broken), I get a couple of messages every
ten minutes.

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Re: question - how can email be sent from me that I didn't send

2002-06-24 Thread Jonathan Angliss

On Monday, June 24, 2002, Lynn Turriff wrote...

 It sounds reasonable, and I've apparently lost the mail,
 (I would have sent the header) but there was no path .. no
 received headers .. it was as though I really had sent the
 mail directly from myself to myself.

I've got one or two emails that are like that, the only received
header is the mail server itself, but re-reading shows that although
the mail says it is only sent from the mail server to itself, there is
an additional IP that isn't mine (I've pretty much memorized our
external IP addresses, so I'd spot them ;))

 The only tipoff that I *hadn't* done that was that I have a
 very old email address, and originally because of some
 peculiarity with the server it had to be used as
 '[EMAIL PROTECTED]' .. I didn't know it still worked
 in that form, but I haven't used it that way for years.
 Evidently these lists persist for a very long time,
 because it has to be at least 6 years old.

Often mail servers are setup with name.domain.tld. The server
software is automatically set to accept mail for
name.domain.tld. which is why you can often get mail addressed
like that.

 Maybe that explains my really severe spam problem :-)

Probably... I got about 70 odd this morning and spent a good hour
processing it all.

JA Glad I could help a little :)

 Yeah, you did, but it's still something of a mystery :-)

If you'd like, I can contact you off-list, and give you some better
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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-24 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Joyce,

@24 June 2002, 18:31:13 +0200 (17:31 UK time) Joyce Sala wrote in
004e01c21b9c$8f4977c0$920e08d5@joycesala">mid:004e01c21b9c$8f4977c0$920e08d5@joycesala

 You are the 2nd person telling me that but I don't have ANY
 access limitation on ANY of my directories! So how can that be?

 Frankly I'm groping in the dark.

1. Disable your virus checker.
2. Download your mail with TB
3. Re-enable your virus checker.

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This is the second time of asking.

Please change your reply habits.

Do not simply hit Reply and start typing. The way OE formats your
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Re: Not have subject auto-complete

2002-06-24 Thread Nick Danger

Subject: Not Have Subject Auto-Complete
   From: Thomas F
~~

Hello Thomas,

 The way I see it, you have to use an autocomplete option that does not
 include history

I have mine set for just All Address Books but the subject line
still autocompletes from history. That was my first thought when I
tried to find a way to stop it also. Alas, not the case.

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Re: Not have subject auto-complete

2002-06-24 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Hi Rick,

@24 June 2002, 11:39:21 -0400 (16:39 UK time) Rick Reumann wrote in
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ND One spot where that won't even work is with letter case.

 EXACTLY! That's where I was having major trouble as well. It one
 point I typed [ot] and I want to switch it to [OT] and I had to
 type that pretty darn fast in order to prevent the over-ride.

 I don't think an option to turn off auto-complete for the subject
 field would be that big of a deal.

Okay, then delete the offending entries from the history list. Use the
Alt-Down key to drop down the whole list, cursor down to the entry you
don't want to keep and press delete. That'll fix ya!

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Re: Questions

2002-06-24 Thread Thomas F

Hello Damian,

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 11:44:17 -0400 GMT (24/06/02, 22:44 +0700 GMT),
Damian Gerow wrote:

DG I usually get somewhere between two and ten messages every couple of
DG minutes.  On a bad day, it's upwards of forty.  On a good day (or a day
DG in which things are severely broken), I get a couple of messages every
DG ten minutes.

You definitely qualify for Emailaholics International. :-)

Marck, are the levels somewhere on the web?

DG (I work for an ISP...)

That explains it, but do you mean it as an excuse? ;-)

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Re: Not have subject auto-complete

2002-06-24 Thread Jonathan Angliss

On Monday, June 24, 2002, Rick Reumann wrote...

 I don't think an option to turn off auto-complete for the subject
 field would be that big of a deal.

They have it for the addressing, but not for subjects... and the
history for both addressing and subject are stored in the same file :P
Rather an odd option to allow you to disable one, but not the other.

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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-24 Thread Lars Geiger

Hi Joyce,
On Monday, June 24, 2002 at 18:28:36 [GMT +0200], you wrote:

 One common reason for such behaviour is that one message in your
 mailbox is infected with a virus and a virus scanner prevents TB! from
 creating the temporary file.

 I think that's quite unlikely, as I have Norton updated *daily*,
 and when ther is a virus (such as our *beloved* klez) it
 quarantines it on my PC.
  ^^^

That is exactly where I suspect the problem. As I've written in my first
mail, TB! tries to download every message from your ISP into a temporary
file on your computer (one for each message) and then imports the
messages into its message base from those temporary files. Only if these
steps take place without interruption, TB! will delete the corresponding
message from the server (to prevent that messages are lost).

Now, let's say that one of the messages in your mailbox (at your ISP) is
infected with, for example, KLEZ. TB! tries to download this message and
stores it in a file $TEMP$\bat456.tmp. This is intercepted by NAV, so
TB! has no way of importing this message into its message base. It then
leaves the message on the server (not knowing about the virus), so you
don't lose an important mail.

 Or are you saying it's a virus attacking my ISP server??

No, I really don't think so.

 Try the mail dispatcher (Account - Dispatch messages on server -
 All messages) to have a look at your messages on the server.

 I did that now: but other than being able to read the contents, I
 cannot save nor can I see any virus notification. What was I
 supposed to glean from that?

With the dispatcher, you can have a look at the messages on the server.
If you find one containing a virus, you can uncheck the 'Receive' box
for this message and then start downloading (and deleting) all messages
except the infected one by clicking on the left most button.

Another possibility would be to disable NAV's real time scanning and see
if this makes it possible for you to download the messages. Don't be
afraid, as long as you don't start attachments from the messages, you
are safe without NAV. TB! doesn't execute any code from incoming
e-mails (but make sure to re-enable it before using Oulook Express
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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-24 Thread Jonathan Angliss

On Monday, June 24, 2002, Lars Geiger wrote...

 Now, let's say that one of the messages in your mailbox (at your ISP) is
 infected with, for example, KLEZ. TB! tries to download this message and
 stores it in a file $TEMP$\bat456.tmp. This is intercepted by NAV, so
 TB! has no way of importing this message into its message base. It then
 leaves the message on the server (not knowing about the virus), so you
 don't lose an important mail.

It depends on which version of NAV she's using.  The latest version
does a pop/smtp check for you, and replaces infected attachments with
a nice warning, so that wouldn't be the problem here.

 Another possibility would be to disable NAV's real time scanning and see
 if this makes it possible for you to download the messages. Don't be
 afraid, as long as you don't start attachments from the messages, you
 are safe without NAV. TB! doesn't execute any code from incoming
 e-mails (but make sure to re-enable it before using Oulook Express
 again)!

That would be a good idea, so that you can get an idea of what is
causing the issue.  Older version of NAV may not work the same way as
the latest version.

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Re: MAIL DOWNLOADING PROBLEMS

2002-06-24 Thread Peter Meyns

Hi Lars,

on Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:24:24 +0200GMT (24.06.02, 16:24 +0200GMT here),
you wrote in [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

...

LG BTW, the users on this list are usually very kind and help each other
LG without shouting in the subject or setting messages to high priority.
LG :-)

Or sending HTML... *sigh*

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Re[2]: Not have subject auto-complete

2002-06-24 Thread Ben Kennish

Hi Marck,

On Monday, June 24, 2002, 4:48:37 PM, you [MDP] wrote:
MDP Okay, then delete the offending entries from the history list. Use the
MDP Alt-Down key to drop down the whole list, cursor down to the entry you
MDP don't want to keep and press delete. That'll fix ya!

Yes it would fix it but it's also just a pain in the bum!

I think that there should be an option to disable autocomplete for
subjects only and I am sure that it would not be too hard for the
developers to implement.

How many people find the autocomplete for subject useful?  If so, what
do you use it for?

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no compatible authentication mechanism?

2002-06-24 Thread alists

Hello!,

SEND  warning, there were no compatible authentication
mechanism's detected mean in the log?

I think the email is going out, but that seems to be in my log
all the time.

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Re: MAIL DOWNLOADING PROBLEMS

2002-06-24 Thread Nick Andriash

Hello Thomas,

In Reference to your Posting on Monday, June 24 2002 at 08:23 AM PDT,

 Do you have an antivirus software running? I suspect that mail
 contains a virus. The mail gets downloaded into the C:\Windows\temp
 directory and will be quarantined right away. TB cannot import it, of
 course.

Are you suggesting that if NAV detects a virus in one of the messages to
be downloaded, that none of the remaining messages will be downloaded by
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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-24 Thread David Elliott

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Hello Joyce

On 24 June 2002 at 18:10:00 +0200 (which was 17:10 where I live) Joyce Sala
thoughtfully wrote the following

 Does C:\Windows\temp\ still exist?
 Yes, with all the temp files it made from TB.

 Do you have write priviliges to that directory?
 Nope.

with out write privileges it can not write. :)

 Is there space available on the C: drive?
 Yep! 15GB free...

 Any ideas?

Do you have a Virus checker ?

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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-24 Thread David Elliott

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On 24 June 2002 at 17:12:25 +0200 (which was 16:12 where I live) Marcus
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 I'm however a bit suspicious

So am I.

 C:\Windows\Temp is normally only found on Windows 9x systems and if I
 remember correctly you can not restrict access privileges on those
 systems. I might be wrong here, it's been a while since I last used
 Windows 9x.

Correct, and your are not wrong.

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Re: Mail downloading problems

2002-06-24 Thread Lars Geiger

Hi Jonathan,
On Monday, June 24, 2002 at 11:09:11 [GMT -0500], you wrote:

JA It depends on which version of NAV she's using. The latest version
JA does a pop/smtp check for you, and replaces infected attachments
JA with a nice warning, so that wouldn't be the problem here.

I silently assumed that it wasn't the latest version of NAV, because
Joyce would surely have realized a virus warning whenever downloading
mail, don't you think? And if it was NAV 2002 (with its transparent pop3
checking), the problem could be solved easily, because you are asked how
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Please release BatNews!

2002-06-24 Thread Ben Kennish

Hi all,

I would REALLY like to see TB support Newsgroups and the like.

Anyone else?

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Re: no compatible authentication mechanism?

2002-06-24 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello List,

On Monday, June 24, 2002 at 9:04:35 PM [EMAIL PROTECTED] [awc]
wrote (at least in part):

awc SEND  warning, there were no compatible authentication
awc mechanism's detected mean in the log?

This means you might have set up The Bat! to use SMTP-Auth but the
server did not offer any method The Bat! is capable off.

Check 'Account' / 'Properties' / 'Transport' / 'Send mail' - button
'Authentication'.
Is 'Perform SMTP Authentication (RFC 2554)' enabled? If so: disable
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Re: MAIL DOWNLOADING PROBLEMS

2002-06-24 Thread Peter Palmreuther

Hello Nick,

On Monday, June 24, 2002 at 9:08:13 PM you [NA] wrote (at least in
part):

NA Are you suggesting that if NAV detects a virus in one of the messages to
NA be downloaded, that none of the remaining messages will be downloaded by
NA TB? 

It's not 'NAV' it's The Bat!. If one mail fails to become imported
(which is the case if NAV quarantines it) the process of fetching mail
is interrupted and The Bat! stops. It does not know WHY the mail can't
be imported and therefore assumes there's a serious problem, maybe
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Addressing/autocomplete wish wrapped to next line

2002-06-24 Thread Rick Reumann

On the topic of auto-complete one other thing I find a bit of a
nuisance. I love being able to start out addressing the to field by
starting to type the name and then using CTRL-+ to autocomplete. The
problem is as I start to get near the end of the line you can't really
see what you are autocompleting as it is hidden off the address field.
So I then have to open up the address book icon and make sure I picked
the right one and if I didn't I have to go grab the correct one from
the address book. It would be nice if I could just keep adding and
autocompleting addresses on the TO line without having to physically
go up to the line and hit end and make sure I picked the correct
one. If it just wrapped onto a new line it would be perfect.

Has anyone else run into this issue? or is it just me? Maybe everyone
else completes their to field in a quicker way. If so I'd be
interested in hearing how to best use the Bat's features for
addressing.

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Re: no compatible authentication mechanism?

2002-06-24 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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@24 June 2002, 12:04:35 -0700 (20:04 UK time) [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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 SEND  warning, there were no compatible authentication
 mechanism's detected mean in the log?

Sounds like you have SMTP authentication set on when your server
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Re: Addressing/autocomplete wish wrapped to next line

2002-06-24 Thread Andrea Zuercher

Monday, June 24, 2002, 3:01:33 PM, Rick Reumann wrote:

RR On the topic of auto-complete one other thing I find a bit of a
RR nuisance. I love being able to start out addressing the to field by
RR starting to type the name and then using CTRL-+ to autocomplete. The
RR problem is as I start to get near the end of the line you can't really
RR see what you are autocompleting as it is hidden off the address field.
RR So I then have to open up the address book icon and make sure I picked
RR the right one and if I didn't I have to go grab the correct one from
RR the address book. It would be nice if I could just keep adding and
RR autocompleting addresses on the TO line without having to physically
RR go up to the line and hit end and make sure I picked the correct
RR one. If it just wrapped onto a new line it would be perfect.

RR Has anyone else run into this issue? or is it just me? Maybe everyone
RR else completes their to field in a quicker way. If so I'd be
RR interested in hearing how to best use the Bat's features for
RR addressing.

Yes, I have run into that, and it annoys me as well. Something else
that annoys me is that when an address does autocomplete, it stays
highlighted, so I have to click to the end of the line and then type
my comma separating it from the next address. If I forget to click to
the end of the line, my comma overwrites the highlighted address, and
I have to start over. Am I missing something obvious about using this
feature more efficiently without having to go from keyboard to mouse
and back again?

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Re: MAIL DOWNLOADING PROBLEMS

2002-06-24 Thread Allie C Martin

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DG 1. I used my browser to go to http://www.e-mailanywhere.com/, a
DG Web-based site for accessing an existing pop-based e-mail account
DG that I had read about.

You do realize don't you, that you could have used TB!'s own message
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Re: Addressing/autocomplete wish wrapped to next line

2002-06-24 Thread Allie C Martin

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AZ else that annoys me is that when an address does autocomplete, it
AZ stays highlighted, so I have to click to the end of the line and
AZ then type my comma separating it from the next address.

How is it to know that the auto-completed address is the one you want?

AZ If I forget to click to the end of the line,

Why not just hit the right arrow key?

AZ my comma overwrites the highlighted address, and I have to start
AZ over. Am I missing something obvious about using this feature more
AZ efficiently without having to go from keyboard to mouse and back
AZ again?

I think you're missing the fact that you can just hit the right arrow
key instead of reaching for the mouse and clicking with it. :-)

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Re: test

2002-06-24 Thread Marck D Pearlstone

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Oh yes! Looks like you're back with us - you and Rick Reumann both.
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Re[2]: no compatible authentication mechanism?

2002-06-24 Thread alists



 SEND  warning, there were no compatible authentication
 mechanism's detected mean in the log?

MDP Sounds like you have SMTP authentication set on when your server
MDP doesn't use it.

thanks to everyone! that was it.

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Re: Addressing/autocomplete wish wrapped to next line

2002-06-24 Thread Allie C Martin

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RR by starting to type the name and then using CTRL-+ to
RR autocomplete. The problem is as I start to get near the end of the
RR line you can't really see what you are autocompleting as it is
RR hidden off the address field. So I then have to open up the
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RR would be nice if I could just keep adding and autocompleting
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RR If it just wrapped onto a new line it would be perfect.

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OT: Newsgroups

2002-06-24 Thread Kai Göing

Hi:

Since a newsreader might be integrated in TB 2.0, I have been
wondering how many members of this mailing list actively participate
in newsgroups and whether or not newsgroups as communication mediums
have become obsolete. For the past couple of weeks, I have been
following several newsgroups using Agent 1.91 and have mixed feelings
about their general usefulness, especially when directly compared to
well maintained mailing lists such as TBUDL and TBBETA or helpful
forums like the official Windows Commander forum. What I found most
annoying on newsgroups was spam which is obviously something
subscribers of a closed mailing list or forum hardly ever have to deal
with. I understand that there are several thousand newsgroups out
there, but I find that bascially no newsgroup I have subscribed to
offers such a quality of discussion as TBUDL/TBBETA. Furthermore, as
there are several ways of collectively exchanging information (e.g.
mailing lists, forums, newsgroups, etc.), it seems to dillute the user
base. There are some users who will use newsgroups exclusively, while
others stick solely to mailing lists or forums. German users of TB
can, for instance, choose between a German TB newsgroup, the official
forum of Integrated Services (the German distributor) and several
Yahoo mailing lists. Choice is good, but it also takes away from the
collective brainpower of all TB users as there seem to be few people
who use all of the aforementioned services. So what are your views on
newsgroups? Curse, blessing or both?

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Re: OT: Newsgroups

2002-06-24 Thread Daniel van Rooijen [CopyCats]


 KG So what are your views on newsgroups? Curse, blessing or both?

Well, that depends on the contents :-)

For instance, Cerious Software (of the ThumbsPlus image management
software) uses newsgroups on their own news server to communicate with
their users, and for users to talk to eachother. They have a web based
interface too, which I don't use because a dedicated newsreader like
Agent (or, hopefully, TB2) is much faster andmore convenient. There
are a few more groups that I (try to) follow and that I'd love to
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Re: OT: Newsgroups

2002-06-24 Thread Jernej Simoni

Hello Kai,
 
24. junij 2002, 23:58:08, you wrote:

KG So what are your views on
KG newsgroups? Curse, blessing or both?

It really depends... I'm beta-testing a new newsreader, and I'm
regularly following about 20 newsgroups on 4 servers (aside from the
beta-version ng, newsgroups on news.jrsoftware.org and
forums.talkto.net [both programming-related - certain Delphi
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Re: OT: Newsgroups

2002-06-24 Thread Blarp

Hi Kai,

KG annoying on newsgroups was spam which is obviously something
KG subscribers of a closed mailing list or forum hardly ever have to
KG deal with. I understand that there are several thousand newsgroups
KG out there, but I find that bascially no newsgroup I have
KG subscribed to offers such a quality of discussion as TBUDL/TBBETA.

Keep in mind that USENET is not the only source of newsgroups. Many
vendors, including Macromedia, Microsoft and others run their own
newsservers since it's very bandwidth efficient and the clients prefer
them.

Our site (Blarp.com) runs a newsserver although we also provide a web
and e-mail interface to the same messagebase.

Personally, I like having e-mail and news integrated. It's what kept
me hooked to lookOut Express for so long.

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Re: Please release BatNews!

2002-06-24 Thread Jonathan E. Brickman

 Hi all,

 I would REALLY like to see TB support Newsgroups and the like.

 Anyone else?

Me too!

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Re: OT: Newsgroups

2002-06-24 Thread Jonathan E. Brickman

 So what are your views on newsgroups? Curse, blessing or both?

I was a huge fan of USENET in 1986.  Now I find it almost useless.
But non-USENET NNTP newsgroups are sometimes excellent.  The only
examples I have right now are through http://www.blarp.com .


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Re: Please release BatNews!

2002-06-24 Thread Paul Wilson

Monday, 6/24/02, 6:13 PM

Hi Ben,
On Mon, 24 Jun 2002, at 20:31:59 [GMT +0100] (which was 12:31 PM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'Please release BatNews!'

BK I would REALLY like to see TB support Newsgroups and the like.

BK Anyone else?
RANTI shall not rant, I shall not rant!
No thank you. I use a browser to surf, a newsreader for newsgroups and
The Bat! for mail. Never the twain shall meet!!
/RANT

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Re: Please release BatNews!

2002-06-24 Thread Robert D.

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Recently, Paul Wilson squawked:
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Same configuration here. Same reasons. No NG in The Bat! please.

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Re: Filtering Supressed recipient

2002-06-24 Thread Dwight A Corrin

On Saturday, June 22, 2002, 5:09:10 PM, Allie C Martin wrote:

MA I think I saw somewhere in the archive or FAQ how to filter and
MA exclude spam whose Recipient field has been suppressed. Any
MA pointer appreciated.

 As your string search, look for a recipient string using the regular
 expression:

 ^To:.*

I've been filtering everything which doesn't have a @ in the To:
header

 Look in the Kludges

 And Presence : No.

I want to send everything where I am a CC or BCC to a folder where I
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Re: 1.60 broke????

2002-06-24 Thread Dwight A Corrin

On Friday, June 21, 2002, 4:54:31 AM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

 delete the existing history list

how?

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Re: Please release BatNews!

2002-06-24 Thread Cricket

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RD Recently, Paul Wilson squawked:
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 The Bat! for mail. Never the twain shall meet!!


RD Same configuration here. Same reasons. No NG in The Bat! please.

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Re: 1.60 broke????

2002-06-24 Thread Paul Cartwright


On Monday, June 24, 2002, 10:47 PM, you wrote:

DAC On Friday, June 21, 2002, 7:01:42 AM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:

 I'd like someone with a .his file that causes it to file a report on
 the BugTraq and upload the file as evidence.

DAC Done. Assigned id # 895.

I forgot to turn back OFF the history part, and it crashed again on
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Re: Please release BatNews!

2002-06-24 Thread PFord

On Monday, June 24, 2002, Paul Wilson wrote:

BK Anyone else?
 RANTI shall not rant, I shall not rant!
 No thank you. I use a browser to surf, a newsreader for newsgroups and
 The Bat! for mail. Never the twain shall meet!!
 /RANT

Why? The world is moving to unified messaging - not just email,
newsgroups, instant messaging and other text-based communication - but
voice and even video messaging. People get weary of having to track
communications in a plethora of different applications and mediums.
It seems to me the least TB! needs to keep up is NNTP support.

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Re: Please release BatNews!

2002-06-24 Thread Yuki Taga

Tuesday, June 25, 2002, 1:02:50 PM, PFord wrote:

P On Monday, June 24, 2002, Paul Wilson wrote:

BK Anyone else?
 RANTI shall not rant, I shall not rant!
 No thank you. I use a browser to surf, a newsreader for newsgroups and
 The Bat! for mail. Never the twain shall meet!!
 /RANT

P Why? The world is moving to unified messaging - not just email,
P newsgroups, instant messaging and other text-based communication - but
P voice and even video messaging. People get weary of having to track
P communications in a plethora of different applications and mediums.
P It seems to me the least TB! needs to keep up is NNTP support.

Vehemently disagree.  The world is not moving to unified messaging.
The world is moving back to a Unix-like concept of small, tight
applications doing very specific tasks -- the result, mostly, of
seeing the negative consequences of all the bloat that has come of of
Redmond, as well as elsewhere.  I have Agent for NNTP, and it's gonna
stay that way.  TB needs NNTP like it needs another bug.  g
 
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Re: Please release BatNews!

2002-06-24 Thread Blarp

Hi Paul,

PW No thank you. I use a browser to surf, a newsreader for newsgroups
PW and The Bat! for mail. Never the twain shall meet!! /RANT

News readers and mail readers have 90% of the same features built-into
them. The only real difference are the transfer protocols and, to a
lesser extent, storage considerations. Any good newsreader already has
a mail sending client in it. The UI is the same. What's the big leap??
Now keeping browsers and e-mail/news separate, YES!!

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Re: test

2002-06-24 Thread Angel

Many thanks to you, Allie and Syafril for all the hard work...
and patience! :)

*hugs*! to you all...


Blessings and light,
~~~Angel
Monday, June 24, 2002 9:25:05 PM

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Re: Not have subject auto-complete

2002-06-24 Thread PFord

On Monday, June 24, 2002, Ben Kennish wrote:

 How many people find the autocomplete for subject useful? If so,
 what do you use it for?

Good questions. I can't think of any use for it. I'd love to be able
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Re: Please release BatNews!

2002-06-24 Thread Nick Andriash

Hello Yuki Taga,

In Reference to your Posting on Monday, June 24 2002 at 09:06 PM PDT,

 Vehemently disagree.  The world is not moving to unified messaging.
 The world is moving back to a Unix-like concept of small, tight
 applications doing very specific tasks --

Not that I am in favour of a TB Newsgroup, but I have to strongly disagree
with your statement. The world is moving away from single use appliances
and going for the 'unified' concept... but without the bloat... as the
wary consumer will not stand for that anymore. 

However... this is OT. As for a TB Newsgroup... why not? The only negative
aspect is that it will 'thin' the ranks so to speak.

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Re: Please release BatNews!

2002-06-24 Thread William Moore


Hello Nick

Thank you for your email dated Tuesday, June 25, 2002, 5:49:29 AM, in which you wrote:

NA but without the bloat... as the
NA wary consumer will not stand for that anymore. 

Unfortunately 'wary' consumers are few and far between.

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News with TB (was: OT: Newsgroups)

2002-06-24 Thread Thomas F

Hello Blarp,

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 17:42:56 -0700 GMT (25/06/02, 07:42 +0700 GMT),
Blarp wrote:

B Personally, I like having e-mail and news integrated. It's what kept
B me hooked to lookOut Express for so long.

Some users on the German TB list are reading/writing news with TB and
an additional software (news2mail or so it is called). You want me to
find out more?

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Re: Addressing/autocomplete wish wrapped to next line

2002-06-24 Thread Thomas F

Hello Rick,

On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 16:01:33 -0400 GMT (25/06/02, 03:01 +0700 GMT),
Rick Reumann wrote:

RR The problem is as I start to get near the end of the line you
RR can't really see what you are autocompleting as it is hidden off
RR the address field.

For me, this problem is not with autocomplete, but with the
one-line-only format of all address field, both for composing and for
viewing mail. Here is a point where I liked Netscape Mail's way of
display better, giving you a box - a bit like the box that opens when
you hit the right-most icon in the address field when compsing mail.
Only that you could easily change an address from being in one field
(TO) to another (BCC), without having to delete and reinsert. Plus,
you get this box also when viewing mails, which is very useful when
there are many addressees. In TB, I have to hit shft-crtl-K, but that
is a bit cluttered if you only want to see the addressees.

I keep repeating this wish, as I have done for the past 2 years. Never
lose hope... ;-)

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Re: Filtering Supressed recipient

2002-06-24 Thread Allie C Martin

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DAC I've been filtering everything which doesn't have a @ in the To:
DAC header

How?  String: '@'  Location: 'Recipient'  Presence: No  ?

If so, this doesn't prevent filtering of CC'd messages since recipient
doesn't separate To from CC.

 Look in the Kludges

 And Presence : No.

DAC I want to send everything where I am a CC or BCC to a folder where I
DAC can inspect it. Most of it is going to be spam, but not all. Filtering
DAC on kludges won't work, will it? That will get everything in To too?

Filtering what on Kludges? The '@' string? If so, then yes.

Use this filter. Enable regular expressions in the filter options and
use the string '^To:.*dcorrin@cox\.net\s*$', Location: Kludges, Presence:
No.

This filter will look in the headers for a line starting with To:
followed by zero of more of any characters followed by your e-mail
address. IOW's it's checking if your e-mail address is *specifically*
in the To: headers. If it's not there it will not come up with a
matching string.

I don't know if the '\s$' is really necessary but leaving it there
will not affect the expressions functionality if it isn't needed. If
TB! doesn't check multiple lines when using the expression then it may
be left out. If TB! checks multiple lines then it should be included.

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Re: News with TB (was: OT: Newsgroups)

2002-06-24 Thread Blarp

Hi Thomas,

TF Some users on the German TB list are reading/writing news with TB
TF and an additional software (news2mail or so it is called). You
TF want me to find out more?

My guess is they're doing it through Hamster which seems to be the
Swiss, er uh German Army Knife of news/mail gateways. :-)

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