Tabbing disorder
Hello All, The Tabbing on the window Search Replace (Ctrl-F7) Is strange, It goes all the way down to help befor it goes to options. And there it scips promt on replace and first go to Regular expression.(CWRP). (Text part Direction Scope Origin Buttons Options) Can any one confirm? -- Cheers, Edgar Communicating with TB! v2.01.3, Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Arthur Dent: You know, it's at times like this, when I'm stuck in a Vogon airlock with a man from Betelgeuse, about to die of asphyxiation in deep space, that I really wish I'd listened to what my mother told me when I was young. Ford Prefect: Why? What did she tell you? Arthur Dent: I don't know. I didn't listen. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tabbing disorder
On Wednesday, 12 November 2003, at 07:58:19 [GMT +0100] you wrote: E Hello All, E The Tabbing on the window Search Replace (Ctrl-F7) E Is strange, It goes all the way down to help befor it goes to E options. And there it scips promt on replace and first go to E Regular expression.(CWRP). (Text part Direction Scope Origin Buttons Options) E Can any one confirm? same for me. cheers, davidp. -- David Pascoe, mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Western Australia Using The Bat! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Odd reply problem
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Dammedifiknow. You could check bugtrack. Or maybe someone else here knows. - -- Stuart Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 PGP Key available from ldap://keyserver.pgp.com ... I know Karate, Kung Fu, and 47 other dangerous words. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0 iQA/AwUBP7H/UtttnLhkydF1EQKBzACfbvRp9LOhazpZ1CWBxfucf/zUCs0AoMy7 u+61AsvW+da1h2wfsCTAc/Zy =8CAT -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: %WRAPPED macro question
Hello Chris, C You really should use a right angle bracket (). It is standard C across e-mail clients and operation systems. Thanks but I'm asking about TB's macro's rather than about standards for reply prefixing. -- David Boggon [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 2.01.3 on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Why isn't the message being PGP-signed?
Hello Bats, In a template used for mass-mailing this is written at the end: %NOPGPMIME%- %USEPGP%- %SIGNCOMPLETE%- but nothing is signed. What am i doing wrong? Also, does anyone know why: 02/380.50.30 (in the template) is being appended to: %FROMADDR%- in the resulting message so that I get Mark Partous/380.50.30 instead of the expected: Mark Partous 02/380.50.30 I hope this shouldn't have been in TBBETA... -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 2.01.26 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: %WRAPPED macro question
On Wed 12 November 2003, 10:16:17 +1000, David Boggon wrote: I'm trying to set up a top-posting reply template that wraps original text and adds a ': ' prefix before each line. Like this : sample text I am using Andrew Perevodchik's macro plug-in and this is the expression I've come up with: %WRAPPED=%PREFIX(: ,%TRIM(path to QT that strips text of tags etc)) Now, everything works fine except that the prefix is inserted before each line of the /original/ message, not the newly wrapped message. Which is what I'd expect Also I can't get the %WRAPPED macro to work otherwise. The %Wrapped macro only wraps the first paragraph of the text that is fed to it. What you really need is Januk Aggarwal's ReWrap QT from the Macro and QT repository at http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/Library.html. Make sure you use the V2 macro and I think you would need to use something like: %_Wrap_Text=%QInclude(your_QT)%- %_Wrap_Limit=70%- %Prefix(: ,%QInclude(wrap))%- -- Robin Anson Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why isn't the message being PGP-signed?
On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, 12:12:36 PM, Mark Partous wrote: is being appended to: %FROMADDR%- in the resulting message so that I get Mark Partous/380.50.30 instead of the expected: Mark Partous 02/380.50.30 List seems quiet today, so I will answer this: The missing line feed is due to the %- at the end of your %FROMADDR macro. The %- suppresses the line feed after the macro, so if you remove it, you will get the results you want. Julian -- Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Why isn't the message being PGP-signed?
Hello Julian, Wednesday, November 12, 2003, 2:34:38 PM, you wrote: JBL The missing line feed is due to the %- at the end of your %FROMADDR JBL macro. The %- suppresses the line feed after the macro, so if you JBL remove it, you will get the results you want. Thanks Julian, I should have seen that myself, but perhaps I was too preoccupied with the fact that the leading 02 also dissapeares. -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 2.01.26 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why isn't the message being PGP-signed?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mark, On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 13:12:36 +0100 (7:12 AM here), Mark Partous [MP] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MP %NOPGPMIME%- MP %USEPGP%- MP %SIGNCOMPLETE%- MP but nothing is signed. MP What am i doing wrong? Is signing manually via the Privacy menu successful? The macros seem to work here. Perhaps there is something else in your template that is interfering with these macros? - -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v2.01.26 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1 (see kludges for my pgp key) . -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/skj/RbTFvUNHmLkRAu09AKDwNDvo8kDpsjgJRWp/zqQn/Eir5ACfa0dL LdGawXdjaBtYHskOJYvnbO0= =4fZp -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Why isn't the message being PGP-signed?
Hello Kevin, Wednesday, November 12, 2003, 3:51:42 PM, you wrote: KC Is signing manually via the Privacy menu successful? Yes, no problem, neither with folder templates. It's only in a Quick Template, used for Mass Mailing that it doesn't work. KC Perhaps there is something else in your template that is KC interfering with these macros? Here is all except for the text of the template: ,--/ \ | | Hallo %ABtoFIRSTNAME=%TOFNAME,%- | | | In bijlage, --8-- | | Beste groeten, | %FROMFNAME%- | %FROMADDR%- | 02/380.50.30 | | -- | | ___ | Bericht gemaakt met The Bat, %THEBATVERSION | op %DATE om %TIMELONG %- | | %SUBJECT=Agenda, per uitzondering in PDF-formaat%- | %NOPGPMIME%- | %USEPGP%- | %SIGNCOMPLETE%- | | | | | | | | | | | | | %ATTACHFILE=D:\Mijn documenten\Mijn afbeeldingen\Toneel\Souffleur!.PDF | | | | | | | | | | | `-8--- I cut most of the text part, but did not cut the blank lines. It's TB that placed the %ATTACHFILE macro where it is (I refer to the blank lines). However that's not part of the problem, since the problem existed before there was an attachment. I think the signing just doesn't work with mass-mailing QT's, perhaps even with all QT's wether they are being used for Mass-mailing. BTW the mass, in this case is as big as 19 addressees :-) Also, I meanwhile changed the %FROMADDR%- to %FROMADDR -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 2.01.26 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Kasperesky - plugin or stand alone?
On Monday, November 10, 2003, 1:30:53 AM, Darrin wrote in message: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] D I also have Kaspersky personal. Are you saying that a registered user D of Kaspersky personal can download the pro and use the plugin? Would I D just save the plugin and delete the pro version? or how would I go D about it? Yes that's right... download the Pro eval version, shut down Kaspersky completely and install the Pro over the top of the Personal version, your Kaspersky key will be valid still (you may have to delete the eval copy key - but make sure you delete the right one - not your full key!) Then relaunch the program and you should see that all works as before... then launch TB! and go to Options » Preferences » Protection » Anti Virus and click on the Add button, you'll get a sub-menu saying External Plugin then a line then below that it should say Kaspersky (TM) Anti-Virus, select the Kaspersky bit and it'll load the plugin for you. Then just tick what you want the plugin to do below. -- Cheers, Anne Flying high with The Bat! v2.01.26 on Windows 98 4.10 Build Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Message/Bericht
Hi, I wrote in msgid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] : I think it comes from broken reply templates (broken in the way that they do not work properly under 2.0 anymore). I withdraw this assumption. I concur with others that it comes from the HTML parser. It might already showing this behavior when an original message is displayed (and not a reply generated). Regards, Markus -- Using The Bat! 2.01.7 under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Base64 problem solved
Hello Kitty, The good news is that my problem is solved and I can now post without incident. Glad to hear that and thanks for the feedback. And now that nobody is listening, what did you like in Poco? ;-) -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
I'm a bit perplexed here re: grouping and reading a set of messages ... only those messages within the group ...
Howdie TBL'ers, Thus far, I have been unsuccessful in grouping messages and reading them contiguously/continuously, i.e., one right after another. While I can group them, i.e., messages with the same Subject, it does not appear that I can read the first message in the group, then the next, then the next ... instead after having read the first message, The Bat! will jump to either another group of messages or a single message that happens to be in between the groups of various messages. I've used the path View View threads by Subject to group the messages. Is(are) there some other option(s) I should be setting to accomplish what I want to do? Is there also a way to do this when one uses the Search Tool on, e.g., Subject? I've used the Search Tool and the end result was simply a list of messages with the designated Subject argument ... good, so far, but when I opened the first message to read it, I again simply wanted to read the next message in the search list. It didn't happen. Thanks in advance for any and all suggestions. -- Best regards, Dirigo Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Base64 problem solved
Hello Kitty, On 12 November 2003, at 10:45 -0600 you wrote: K I had posted at some length about my frustrations with version 2 K because messages I was writing on one of my accounts to several K mailing lists were being sent in Base64. [...] K The good news is that my problem is solved and I can now post without K incident. So, now when you solved your problem with TB! do you still want to migrate to other alternative Mail Client? K On another note, a comment about other mail programs. I looked at K many alternatives actually installing and trying Becky, Pegagus, K Thunderbird, Pocomail and Eudora. The only one that tempted me at all K was Pocomail. [...] K However, I really do like the Pocomail interface and some features. Please, may you give me a link for Pocomail home page and download? You are interested me in this program :) It's curious for me to look through the Pocomail. Thanks in advance! -- Best regards, Vasiliymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using: * The Bat! 2.01.26 * Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 * PGP 8.0.3 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Using QTs
Hello Batters! I have 2 QTs that I'd like to be able (ideally) to invoke by right-clicking the message I want it applied to. EXAMPLE: I receive an email that requires a 'canned' reply I'd like to be able to invoke a reply containing pre-written text that I could then edit lightly and send. Thx -- Rich Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: %WRAPPED macro question
Hi Robin, RA%_Wrap_Text=%QInclude(your_QT)%- RA%_Wrap_Limit=70%- RA%Prefix(: ,%QInclude(wrap))%- Yes that works an absolute treat thankyou! ps I have not come across the %_Wrap_Text= macro before ... I have the complete list of macros where is that one hidden? -- David [EMAIL PROTECTED] He whose face gives no light, shall never become a star. - William Blake Using The Bat! 2.01.3 on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: replies and cutlines
Marck D Pearlstone wrote: This is how you should do it. Also, you should *not* use a cut mark in such circumstances. It's been awhile since there was a reply to this thread, but I realized that while there was some fun discussion of posting principles, my problem was not actually solved. While I certainly appreciate TB's method of stripping everything after the cut mark, I am trying to find a way to *NOT* strip below the cut mark. If it's a few extra steps, that's OK - but I can't understand why it cannot be done somewhat easily. I am reminded of MS Word's attempt to make things easier by automating so many things. Sometimes I don't *WANT* that!! What I want to do is have the ability to reply to someone and keep the message history intact. So if there is more than one reply from me, TB will still keep everything - ignoring the cut marks. Marck, if I am to understand your comment you should *not* use a cut mark then I would have to plan ahead or make a good guess as to what kind of e-mail correspondence I'm going to have *ahead of time* - and this isn't feasible. I don't always know when I'm going to need a message history. And since TB does not allow me to directly edit messages, I cannot go back and delete or alter cut marks *before* replying. So if I don't guess right at the beginning of a conversation, I'm out of luck. Arrrgh!! This is aggravating. Currently, when I need to quote multiple responses that include cut marks, I forward the message, change the Subject line (FW to RE), delete the forwarded message line at the top and the end forwarded message line at the bottom. Then send. Not exactly elegant. Why, oh why can't I simply highlight the *ENTIRE* message (all responses, cut marks, etc.) and hit F4? Logically, this should work. If I want to use selective reply - and I select EVERYTHING - why is TB not following its own logic? The Bat's over-zealousness with deleting after cut marks is causing me problems. Again, I am reminded of Word features that drive me nuts like this. OK, great feature now how do I TURN IT OFF!?! -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Sorting office: actions: Export message to file
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello TBUDL, Quite a while ago I set up my answerphone/fax software to send faxes and voicemail to me via email. As a result my TB! message base has grown 'fatter' over the last year or so - mostly because of the mp3 voicemail attachments. Anyhow, I thought rather than let the message base swell even more I'd export the messages to a folder on another partition when they are filtered into the voice/fax folder in TB!, and then just delete the messages after listening to/reading them. Well I can't seem to get it working. In the sorting office I chose the Export message to file option under the actions tab, and set the export format to RFC-288(.MSG). I then chose a location for the files to be exported to by browsing to the location using the browse button. However, TB! forces you to add a filename and then sticks a .txt extension on the end of whatever filename you enter. I therefore renamed .txt to .msg. And then the problem is that only one message ever gets exported, no matter how many call messages come in. Am I doing something wrong? It seems like it should be a really simple thing to do. - -- Slán, Simon @ i~n+f~o+w~i+z~a+r~d+.~c+o~.+u~k * PGP Key via Web: http://pgp.infowizard.co.uk/ PGP Key via Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Faffing about with TB! v1.62r on W2K SP4 #909. Iraq Drum Yes Slow ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Protect your Privacy with PGP. Comment: KeyID: 0xDF8062C1 Comment: Fingerprint: 40DD 7908 9DF8 634F 1B98 8849 9266 C870 DF80 62C1 iQA/AwUBP7JxxZJmyHDfgGLBEQK49ACfaNaYQB0EoByI127RJgCsPHOzJvwAoO+4 7rdpuIweLn/gpTOp/MYXmyv6 =6hHP -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Using QTs
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello rich, On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 12:39:22 -0500 your time, you said: rg EXAMPLE: I receive an email that requires a 'canned' reply I'd rg like to be able to invoke a reply containing pre-written text that rg I could then edit lightly and send. Just type the 'handle' of the QT in the message body and then hit CTRL+SPACEBAR. - -- Slán, Simon @ i~n+f~o+w~i+z~a+r~d+.~c+o~.+u~k * PGP Key via Web: http://pgp.infowizard.co.uk/ PGP Key via Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Faffing about with TB! v1.62r on W2K SP4 #657. Square Dowry Slim ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Protect your Privacy with PGP. Comment: KeyID: 0xDF8062C1 Comment: Fingerprint: 40DD 7908 9DF8 634F 1B98 8849 9266 C870 DF80 62C1 iQA/AwUBP7J0vZJmyHDfgGLBEQJEigCglqcJZHRX7z8Vujk8MgjvXzz+heEAoKPb J69Z/V16/83qVb61SxrDvPXG =y2ey -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I'm a bit perplexed here re: grouping and reading a set of messages ... only those messages within the group ...
Hello Bo, On 12 November 2003, at 12:23 -0500 you wrote: BD I've used the path View View threads by Subject to group the BD messages. Is(are) there some other option(s) I should be setting to BD accomplish what I want to do? For rather results you should set View - View threads by - References. -- Best regards, Vasiliymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using: * The Bat! 2.01.26 * Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 * PGP 8.0.3 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Problem with Bayesit filter - connecting to ISP
Hi Bat! Fans, Installed the Bayesit filter and trained it according to instructions etc. However since installed, I could not get a connection to my ISP. As soon as I removed the filter, no problems at all. Are there any special settings I need to know? I have two isp accounts as well as news through MailGate; connection ADSL. -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Have you seen my mind? It wandered again. Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: replies and cutlines
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello ken, On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 11:43:49 -0600 your time, you said: kg Why, oh why can't I simply highlight the *ENTIRE* message (all kg responses, cut marks, etc.) and hit F4? Logically, this should kg work. If I want to use selective reply - and I select EVERYTHING - kg why is TB not following its own logic? To do what you are wanting I usually highlight the whole message body, hit CTRL+C then deselect, hit F4 and paste into the new message. It doesn't fix your problem but maybe it is a little quicker. - -- Slán, Simon @ i~n+f~o+w~i+z~a+r~d+.~c+o~.+u~k * PGP Key via Web: http://pgp.infowizard.co.uk/ PGP Key via Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Faffing about with TB! v1.62r on W2K SP4 #726. Ail Qed My Row Ussr ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Protect your Privacy with PGP. Comment: KeyID: 0xDF8062C1 Comment: Fingerprint: 40DD 7908 9DF8 634F 1B98 8849 9266 C870 DF80 62C1 iQA/AwUBP7J2h5JmyHDfgGLBEQL2OACdEgogSgdUfghJpn+RAVG7lqUY1yEAoMfx 9RDte4HZRbwsIZXM2JayVdl+ =q8/A -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB IMAP 101
-- Tuesday, November 11, 2003, 10:45:41 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: -- Tuesday, November 11, 2003, 9:31:59 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Don't even bother answering, I'm already done trying to use IMAP (again). I'd rather build a web interface to a local TB installation and until then I can use remote desktop. IMAP is baffling. Scratch that, remote desktop is utterly amazing. Check it out if you care. -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: replies and cutlines
Simon wrote: To do what you are wanting I usually highlight the whole message body, hit CTRL+C then deselect, hit F4 and paste into the new message. It doesn't fix your problem but maybe it is a little quicker. Thanks. I've done that before, and will probably use that again since it's faster than doing the Forward method I described. The problem is that the copied text is not clearly marked as a reply. Another method is to highlight everything after the first cut mark, copying and pasting that after hitting F4. By the way, it is not necessary to to deselect in your example above. Hitting F4 with nothing selected or hitting F4 with the entire message history (multiple replies) selected results in the same content in the editor. This is precisely what bugs me about The Bat's over-zealousness with regard to cut marks - it over-rules its own logic of selective reply. Convention and cut mark etiquette notwithstanding, if I purposely select text, then that text should be included in the reply when I hit F4. Period. Poor design, IMO. -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting office: actions: Export message to file
Hello Simon, snipped quite a bit In the sorting office I chose the Export message to file Why export the messages? Why not just move them to an specific folder? You can have this folder in any drive/partition you want. Just select folder Properties and on the General tan select and set directory. Or have I misunderstood what you want to do? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.01.3 Winamp OFF: Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Selective Quoting in Replies
tbudl, I am not very familiar with the concept of selective uoting in replies as I am used to just posting reply at top of message. It seems like a very awkward process. Or is that a normal reaction to someone who is new to doing this? could someone explain how to do this or point me to a place where I can read about it? When I select one part of a message to respond to, I hit F4 and can write a reply, but the rest of the message disappears. Is the answer simply cursoring through the message and leaving a blank line between the quotes and my response? Thanks for helping this novice! -- Best regards, Mary Anne Lynskey mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Problem with Bayesit filter - connecting to ISP
Hello John, Wednesday, November 12, 2003, 1:00:34 PM, you wrote: JP Hi Bat! Fans, JP Installed the Bayesit filter and trained it according to JP instructions etc. JP However since installed, I could not get a connection to my ISP. JP As soon as I removed the filter, no problems at all. JP Are there any special settings I need to know? JP I have two isp accounts as well as news through MailGate; JP connection ADSL. I can't imagine how Bayesit would interfere with connection ... it only filters the email. I didn't do anything beyond adding it and training it and have not had a problem. You might want to try downloading the file again in case there was some sort of corruption in the bayesit file. Oh ... and you do have the latest version, right (bayesit04gm.exe)?? -- Best regards, MikeDmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows ME 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Selective Quoting in Replies
Hello Mary, On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, 8:14:46 PM, you wrote: I am not very familiar with the concept of selective uoting in replies as I am used to just posting reply at top of message. It seems like a very awkward process. Or is that a normal reaction to someone who is new to doing this? I think it is, but in my opinion it is more readable than a answer that you post above the original message (called top quoting). could someone explain how to do this or point me to a place where I can read about it? I do not know a place where you can read about it, but I can explain what selective quoting is. You type a reaction below the text your responding to like I'm doing now. When I select one part of a message to respond to, I hit F4 and can write a reply, but the rest of the message disappears. Is the answer simply cursoring through the message and leaving a blank line between the quotes and my response? Thanks for helping this novice! When you select a text and hit F4, The Bat! will only quote the selected text in the mail. The way that I'm responding to your message is just press answer and the whole text is quoted. Then I delete the parts of the text that are not important, and when I want to respond to a part of the text I just type my remarks below it and move the following text (of your original message down) When you receive some more messages from this list you will see what selective quoting means. It means just leave the text that your responding to in the message as a quote and type your response below it. -- Cheers, Edgar Communicating with TB! v2.01.3, Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 Murphy's First Law: Nothing is as easy as it looks. pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Base64 problem solved
Hi Kitty, On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 8:45:16 AM PST, you wrote: The good news is that my problem is solved and I can now post without incident. Finally! I'm very glad to hear that the problem has been sorted out. :-) The only one that tempted me at all was Pocomail. There are several things that I really do like about Pocomail, some of which I like better than TB. That said, Pocomail is rather slow when handling large volumes of mail and I think that would have driven me nuts in the long run. However, I really do like the Pocomail interface and some features. Before I moved to TB!, I was a loyal user of Pocomail (from v1.x to the mid-2.x builds). There are certainly many interesting and/or useful features in Pocomail, but after v2.11 and until I found TB!, all subsequent versions just had too many annoying bugs and/or instabilities for my tastes. My theory about Pocomail's bugs/instability issues is that Slaven R. (primary inventor/developer of Pocomail) is 1) so full of many interesting ideas of his own that he's all too willing to keep adding features (often bells and whistles in my view) without being sure that the basics are well-grounded first, and 2) he's almost too anxious to please and be responsive to the demands/wishes of Pocomail users that he, as mentioned in point 1, neglects basics in favor or adding new and innovative features. One of those basics I'm personally very concerned with is plain text handling/formatting. Plain text handling was, and still is (though quite improved since the earlier builds) somewhat lacking and unpredictable (especially in comparison to TB!'s *wonderful* handling of plain text). Being the email client junkie I am, I still have Pocomail installed (and Becky too!), and keep my copies of both updated, but I'm just too busy these days to play with Pocomail v3 much. I do still find the plain text handling in v3 lacking. That said, I would be interested in hearing (reading) about which features you really like about Pocomail - and why - especially those you might feel are even better than with TB! I may have high hopes for Pocomail, and I really respect Slaven, but it's going to take a lot more than just a multitude of good ideas to make me switch from TB! to *any* other client. :-) Finally, to get this a *little* bit more on-topic to this list, I want to make an entirely subjective comment about interfaces... Personally, I *really like* the TB! interface, and I don't know why so many people complain about it. It's clean and functional, and the glyph set I use even with my v2 (the v1.6.x glyphs) are, to my eyes, more pleasant to deal with than most other email clients I've tried or used. Pocomail has many pretty skins available (in addition to individual user options for changing the look), and to my tastes, though very functional and more customizable than TB!'s, I find Becky's interface to be, aesthetically anyway, pretty ugly in comparison to TB!. But of course, most of these functional/customizable/aesthetic preferences are quite subjective. In terms of functionality and stability, I favor Becky over Pocomail (and of course, in enough ways that matter to me, I favor TB! over Becky! :-)). Perhaps if we want to continue this direction of the discussion, TBOT would be the more appropriate venue. -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys TB! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Pocomail (was Base64 problem solved)
Hello Vasiliy, Wednesday, November 12, 2003, 11:31:33 AM, you wrote: Please, may you give me a link for Pocomail home page and download? You are interested me in this program :) It's curious for me to look through the Pocomail. Thanks in advance! In response to this and some other inquiries: www.pocomail.com What I liked (these are matters of personal taste): 1. I liked the Poco Console better than the TB ticker. The console comes up at the side and tells you how many new e-mails you have in each mailbox. You can then quickly scan the subject lines and click on a message bringing it up to look at and reply. I always personally found the TB ticker distracting and the Pocomail console not distracting. 2. To make a filter quickly, right click in the message index list on the field you want to filter by. That brings up a box to create a filter that filters on that specific field. I found this quicker and easier than the TB's method of quickly creating a filter. (one caveat: you can't create a folder while making a filter and have to do so before hand; they say they are planning to change this so you can create a folder) 3. With TB I display everything by a full height tree at left with the accounts and folders. With Pocomail you can do the same but can also have a pane for your address book which makes it easy. You can also do some drag and drop filters with the address book. 4. When you are looking at the preview of messages there are several choices on the right of each message for headers, reply, reply all, print etc. yes, I know you can do those things in TB but the way Pocomail puts them on the right of the message makes it very easy and they stand out. 5. Where someone's e-mail address is in the from portion of the e-mail this is a small cross next to the name. Click on it and it adds them to the address book. Again, I just found this very intuitive and easy to do. There is also a button by each e-mail address that you can click and it gives you the address book details for the person. 6. For many mailing lists, there is a field called List info. Click on it and it gives the posting, subscribing and unsubscribing info. 7. Within a folder in the message index there is a tab called show all. You highlight a message and click on show all and there are many choices such as show all messages from that person, show all unread messages, show all messages after a certain date, show all messages before a certain date, shall messages with attachments, show all unencrypted mail, etc. This is a great way to have a large folder and only display a few of the messages without having to go through a search function. I used this function a *lot* in Pocomail. 8. Threading. You can choose whether to thread by reference and then by subject and then by re: The advantage is that it threads by reference when it can and then by subject when it can't. I really like that feature as well since I don't have to choose either/or on the threading. 9. When you annotate a message the annotated text actually shows up as a field in the headers when you view the message. 10. You don't have separate folders for every account that you have. You have one Inbox, etc. regardless of number of accounts. Now, I have grown used to how TB does it and that has its advantages. However, when I moved over from Eudora years ago I was very distressed that were not common folders that all accounts used. Yes, I know TB has common folders now but it isn't the same. I realize many might say they like how TB does things better than Pocomail or that TB can do the same as Pocomail through a different procedure. And, that is true. It is just that with Pocomail it was very intuitive and easy to do the above things and I personally like how Pocomail does it better than TB. I also know TB does things Pocomail doesn't do. TB is much, much stronger on templates and somewhat stronger on filters (although Pocomail's are really quite powerful). And, TB does handled the intricacies of plain text better than Pocomail (although Pocomail was adequate for my needs). And, finally, Pocomail does seem slower and may not be able to handle really high mail volume. -- Best regards, Kittymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Selective Quoting in Replies
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Mary, On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:14:46 -0500 your time, you said: MAL ... It seems like a very awkward process. Or is that a normal MAL reaction to someone who is new to doing this? Yes, it takes a little bit more effort than just top posting. However I suspect that you easily slip in to it as you do it more often as you'll appreciate the immediate context of replies. Most of the time you will probably only need to reply to points in a message. A lot of the message isn't usually required to maintain context. You can then simply snip the parts out, like I've done below. ..snip.. MAL When I select one part of a message to respond to, I hit F4 and MAL can write a reply, but the rest of the message disappears. If you want to reply to every line in an email you could hit CTRL + F5 to quote the whole message. You can then simply trim, reply, and reformat as you go. If you want to reply to only a single point in a message you can highlight the text in the message and hit F4 and type your reply underneath the quoted text. MAL Is the answer simply cursoring through the message and leaving a MAL blank line between the quotes and my response? Well yes really, but remember a lot of the time you don't usually need to requote a whole message to maintain context. To reformat a quoted text line or your typed reply line place the cursor anywhere in the block of text and hit ALT + L or if you like your text justified ALT + J. HTH - -- Slán, Simon @ i~n+f~o+w~i+z~a+r~d+.~c+o~.+u~k * PGP Key via Web: http://pgp.infowizard.co.uk/ PGP Key via Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Faffing about with TB! v1.62r on W2K SP4 #1144. Slam Do Squire Wry ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Protect your Privacy with PGP. Comment: KeyID: 0xDF8062C1 Comment: Fingerprint: 40DD 7908 9DF8 634F 1B98 8849 9266 C870 DF80 62C1 iQA/AwUBP7KT95JmyHDfgGLBEQIlYwCgoHkH/VOOf33M62BfJaCqkC5XuIgAn1PZ U5yZQfOZz/VNdDzQfnckvp15 =C2uO -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sorting office: actions: Export message to file
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello MAU, On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 20:13:13 +0100 your time, you said: ..snip.. M Why not just move them to an specific folder? Erm, because I don't want to *move* them ;-) M You can have this folder in any drive/partition you want. Just M select folder Properties and on the General tan select and set M directory. Yes, I realise you can relocate mail bases to various drives / partitions, but the purpose of exporting the messages is so that I don't have large voicemail/fax messages permanently stuffed into TB!'s message base. I'd also like to be able to archive the messages to CDR in an indexable format. and .msg files would fit the bill. I rarely (if ever) need to refer back to voicemail, and important faxes get printed, so there is no need to choke up TB! with them really. So, that is why I am trying to do what I explained :-) - -- Slán, Simon @ i~n+f~o+w~i+z~a+r~d+.~c+o~.+u~k * PGP Key via Web: http://pgp.infowizard.co.uk/ PGP Key via Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Faffing about with TB! v1.62r on W2K SP4 #201. Lard Mosque Is Wry ¶ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Comment: Protect your Privacy with PGP. Comment: KeyID: 0xDF8062C1 Comment: Fingerprint: 40DD 7908 9DF8 634F 1B98 8849 9266 C870 DF80 62C1 iQA/AwUBP7KQRpJmyHDfgGLBEQJDugCgk3bDMdec5D7VPwh8w84IUIjGjOoAmQHo y/60JXMVo2PQSh4YBAX7N6o0 =VL83 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Selective Quoting in Replies
Hello Mary Anne, on Wednesday 12 November 2003 20:14, you wrote: I am not very familiar with the concept of selective uoting in replies as I am used to just posting reply at top of message. It seems like a very awkward process. Or is that a normal reaction to someone who is new to doing this? I'd say, the latter. *s* could someone explain how to do this or point me to a place where I can read about it? I have the %QUOTES macro in my reply template, so the complete original text appears, when I hit reply. I go through the text from top to bottom, delete what is unnecessary for my reply, and add my answer where it fits. -- Cheers Peter A: Because it reverses the logical flow of information. Q: Why is top posting frowned upon? Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Selective Quoting in Replies
Hi Mary, @12-Nov-2003, 14:14 -0500 (12-Nov 19:14 UK time) Mary Anne Lynskey [MAL] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said: MAL I am not very familiar with the concept of selective uoting in MAL replies as I am used to just posting reply at top of message. That can cause a problem where your reply addresses more than one issue from within an original message. It would also prohibit anyone in a group discussion from commenting further once replies become disassociated from an original statement or question. MAL It seems like a very awkward process. Not once you get used to it. In fact, it is a much more natural process, since it better approximates a conversational form. MAL ... could someone explain how to do this or point me to a place MAL where I can read about it? You can read about it in this very reply :-). It's how I am replying to you. MAL When I select one part of a message to respond to, I hit F4 and MAL can write a reply, I actually seldom do this ... MAL but the rest of the message disappears. ... for that exact reason! (unless I only want to comment on a single issue), MAL Is the answer simply cursoring through the message and leaving MAL a blank line between the quotes and my response? Yes. And it works very well indeed. NB: Please do not be tempted to reply with a top post - not even for a thank you. The moderators are already moistening their trout in preparation eg. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Selective Quoting in Replies
Hello Mary, Wednesday, November 12, 2003, 11:14:46 AM, you wrote: MAL When I select one part of a message to respond to, I hit F4 and MAL can write a reply, but the rest of the message disappears. Is the MAL answer simply cursoring through the message and leaving a blank MAL line between the quotes and my response? Thanks for helping this MAL novice! I just hit the Reply icon on the Main toolbar. The entire message will be quoted. Then I work my way down the message, liberally deleting anything I am not going to reply to, and replying to points that I am going to address underneath the quoted block. I keep my replies and quoted blocks separated by a blank line so that I can Alt+L any quoted blocks so that they flow to the line length that I have selected. -- Best regards, Scottmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] BayesIt! 0.4gm Using The Bat! 2.01.3 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A pgp key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Setting up theBat for dsl?
Hi Peter, Saturday, November 01, 2003, 4:03:36 PM, you wrote: And, in case you changed provider, update the account properties, especially General, Transport and Options (Periodical check each ...) sections. Thanks for the info! I'm still waiting for my dsl modem, but have dial-up through msn for free in the meantime. My attempts to set up the new provider info have been unsuccessful and msn tech support can only tell me how to set up Outlook Express. If anyone has any info as to how to set up theBat to retrieve my mail from msn, I'd be grateful. I've tried to use the OE info I was given, but this didn't work. -- Best regards, Susannemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53d OS: Windows 98 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: replies and cutlines
ken- Wednesday, November 12, 2003, 9:43:49 AM, you wrote: kg The Bat's over-zealousness with deleting after cut marks is causing me kg problems. Again, I am reminded of Word features that drive me nuts kg like this. OK, great feature now how do I TURN IT OFF!?! Well, basically Simon has laid out the sequence of events that will do what you want. However, expecting TB to ignore cut marks would be asking the developers to violate RFC-2646 in much the same way that Microsoft's developers did with OE. -- -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Base64 problem solved
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Kitty, On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 10:45:16 -0600 (11:45 AM here), Kitty [K] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: K Finally, Marck suggested that perhaps something was corrupted in K the offending account and suggested deleting that account. I'm glad to see your problem was resolved. Its an unusual one that I haven't seen mentioned before. With any luck its one that won't happen to anyone else. I'm glad you posted the solution just in case that problems occurs again. Marck and Allie certainly deserve the highest praise for all the time and effort they spend supporting these groups and helping others. - -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v2.01.26 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1 (see kludges for my pgp key) . -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/sqTQRbTFvUNHmLkRAs6kAKDvCeVVk0MDA80deNE+MJmQFo/2ZACfcbjx 1rEbTWiSrKqVmvIbzBxV64g= =zDLx -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automated message: Subscription verification request
Hello kpf4-help, On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 at 22:48:31 [GMT +0100] (which was 22:48 where I live) you wrote: THIS IS AN AUTOMATED MESSAGE. You requested subscription to the mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED]. For security reasons, the mailing list requires verification of your request. To VERIFY your request, simply reply to this message. If you think that you've received this email by mistake or you do not want to be subscribed to this mailing list, just ignore it. -- Regards, Alain The Bat! 2.01.26 Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: %WRAPPED macro question
On Thu 13 November 2003, 4:42:35 +1000, David Boggon wrote: RA%_Wrap_Text=%QInclude(your_QT)%- RA%_Wrap_Limit=70%- RA%Prefix(: ,%QInclude(wrap))%- Yes that works an absolute treat thankyou! ps I have not come across the %_Wrap_Text= macro before ... I have the complete list of macros where is that one hidden? It isn't a macro. %_Wrap_Text and %_Wrap_Limit are variables that are used by Januk's wrap QT. %_Wrap_Text is the text that is to be wrapped (in this case the output from your QT, and %_Wrap_Limit is the maximum line length after wrapping. I put in a suggested value of 70, because after you have prepended : it will still give a line length of no more than 72. Note that you will almost certainly need a non-wrapping version of this. You could not, for instance, have made a satisfactory quote by wrapping the earlier message of mine (prefixed RA above). -- Robin Anson Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: replies and cutlines
Ken For business use I have a QT that creates a top post message like this one. It mimics Lookout, 'cos that's what my business contacts are used to. This keeps cut marks and any other rubbish that is sent to me. Is that what you want to do? Moderators - I know this is a top posting that goes against the list rules, but there is a point to it!! Robin -- Robin Anson The hardness of the butter is proportional to the softness of the bread. ---Original Message From : ken green [EMAIL PROTECTED] To : [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: replies and cutlines Date : Thursday, 13 November 2003 Time : 4:43 Marck D Pearlstone wrote: This is how you should do it. Also, you should *not* use a cut mark in such circumstances. It's been awhile since there was a reply to this thread, but I realized that while there was some fun discussion of posting principles, my problem was not actually solved. While I certainly appreciate TB's method of stripping everything after the cut mark, I am trying to find a way to *NOT* strip below the cut mark. If it's a few extra steps, that's OK - but I can't understand why it cannot be done somewhat easily. I am reminded of MS Word's attempt to make things easier by automating so many things. Sometimes I don't *WANT* that!! What I want to do is have the ability to reply to someone and keep the message history intact. So if there is more than one reply from me, TB will still keep everything - ignoring the cut marks. Marck, if I am to understand your comment you should *not* use a cut mark then I would have to plan ahead or make a good guess as to what kind of e-mail correspondence I'm going to have *ahead of time* - and this isn't feasible. I don't always know when I'm going to need a message history. And since TB does not allow me to directly edit messages, I cannot go back and delete or alter cut marks *before* replying. So if I don't guess right at the beginning of a conversation, I'm out of luck. Arrrgh!! This is aggravating. Currently, when I need to quote multiple responses that include cut marks, I forward the message, change the Subject line (FW to RE), delete the forwarded message line at the top and the end forwarded message line at the bottom. Then send. Not exactly elegant. Why, oh why can't I simply highlight the *ENTIRE* message (all responses, cut marks, etc.) and hit F4? Logically, this should work. If I want to use selective reply - and I select EVERYTHING - why is TB not following its own logic? The Bat's over-zealousness with deleting after cut marks is causing me problems. Again, I am reminded of Word features that drive me nuts like this. OK, great feature now how do I TURN IT OFF!?! -- Ken Green Using The Bat! v1.62r on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Pocomail (was Base64 problem solved)
Hello Vasiliy, Wednesday, November 12, 2003, 11:31:33 AM, you wrote: Please, may you give me a link for Pocomail home page and download? You are interested me in this program :) It's curious for me to look through the Pocomail. Thanks in advance! In response to this and some other inquiries: www.pocomail.com What I liked (these are matters of personal taste): 1. I liked the Poco Console better than the TB ticker. The console comes up at the side and tells you how many new e-mails you have in each mailbox. You can then quickly scan the subject lines and click on a message bringing it up to look at and reply. I always personally found the TB ticker distracting and the Pocomail console not distracting. 2. To make a filter quickly, right click in the message index list on the field you want to filter by. That brings up a box to create a filter that filters on that specific field. I found this quicker and easier than the TB's method of quickly creating a filter. (one caveat: you can't create a folder while making a filter and have to do so before hand; they say they are planning to change this so you can create a folder) 3. With TB I display everything by a full height tree at left with the accounts and folders. With Pocomail you can do the same but can also have a pane for your address book which makes it easy. You can also do some drag and drop filters with the address book. 4. When you are looking at the preview of messages there are several choices on the right of each message for headers, reply, reply all, print etc. yes, I know you can do those things in TB but the way Pocomail puts them on the right of the message makes it very easy and they stand out. 5. Where someone's e-mail address is in the from portion of the e-mail this is a small cross next to the name. Click on it and it adds them to the address book. Again, I just found this very intuitive and easy to do. There is also a button by each e-mail address that you can click and it gives you the address book details for the person. 6. For many mailing lists, there is a field called List info. Click on it and it gives the posting, subscribing and unsubscribing info. 7. Within a folder in the message index there is a tab called show all. You highlight a message and click on show all and there are many choices such as show all messages from that person, show all unread messages, show all messages after a certain date, show all messages before a certain date, shall messages with attachments, show all unencrypted mail, etc. This is a great way to have a large folder and only display a few of the messages without having to go through a search function. I used this function a *lot* in Pocomail. 8. Threading. You can choose whether to thread by reference and then by subject and then by re: The advantage is that it threads by reference when it can and then by subject when it can't. I really like that feature as well since I don't have to choose either/or on the threading. 9. When you annotate a message the annotated text actually shows up as a field in the headers when you view the message. 10. You don't have separate folders for every account that you have. You have one Inbox, etc. regardless of number of accounts. Now, I have grown used to how TB does it and that has its advantages. However, when I moved over from Eudora years ago I was very distressed that were not common folders that all accounts used. Yes, I know TB has common folders now but it isn't the same. I realize many might say they like how TB does things better than Pocomail or that TB can do the same as Pocomail through a different procedure. And, that is true. It is just that with Pocomail it was very intuitive and easy to do the above things and I personally like how Pocomail does it better than TB. I also know TB does things Pocomail doesn't do. TB is much, much stronger on templates and somewhat stronger on filters (although Pocomail's are really quite powerful). And, TB does handled the intricacies of plain text better than Pocomail (although Pocomail was adequate for my needs). And, finally, Pocomail does seem slower and may not be able to handle really high mail volume. -- Best regards, Kittymailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Selective Quoting in Replies
Hello, Wednesday, November 12, 2003, 9:14:46 PM, you wrote: MAL could someone explain how to do this or point me to a place where I MAL can read about it? Copy the text you want to quote, and right click in the message editor, click Paste as Quotation (Alt + Ins). -- Best regards, Zeynelmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v2.01.26 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Setting up theBat for dsl?
Hi Peter, Saturday, November 01, 2003, 4:03:36 PM, you wrote: And, in case you changed provider, update the account properties, especially General, Transport and Options (Periodical check each ...) sections. Thanks for the info! I'm still waiting for my dsl modem, but have dial-up through msn for free in the meantime. My attempts to set up the new provider info have been unsuccessful and msn tech support can only tell me how to set up Outlook Express. If anyone has any advice as to how to set up theBat to retrieve my mail from msn, I'd be grateful. I've tried to use the OE info I was given, but this didn't work. -- Best regards, Susannemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53d OS: Windows 98 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Memo Autoview (ctrl-shift-i)
Does anyone use this? I find something similar very useful in Becky. Unfortunately I registered and greatly prefer The Bat. In TB the Memo Autoview doesn't minimize with TB. It's fairly useless like that. I am forced to close it when I minimize TB. Then re-open it explicitly. It would be much less useless if any of the following were true. 0. It is not shown when TB is minimized. ..and any of the following.. 1. If when enabled it popped back up after being closed for messages with a memo 2. If it was a tab on the bottom of the message views, like there is a tab for rendered html and text and even attachments. (Heck, while were add it, add the option to (OPTIONALLY of course) always show a headers tab down there) 3. If the dialog (and others like it) could be popped/snapped into the interface somewhere. I prefer option #2, but #1 would be a decent compromise in the short term. Listing 0 is implied and universally preferred with any possible option. Does anyone care? I know we can talk about features or changes you want instead or which take priority, but here's mine. I think it would be great to add notes to messages, and think it would be even better (from one standpoint) to fix a feature TB already has. I would write a plugin for this sort of functionality if the TB API allowed it. Does it? Does TB expect to have a plugin arch. which would allow in-depth plugins as in Becky? -- [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Selective Quoting in Replies
Hallo Mary Anne, On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 14:14:46 -0500GMT (12-11-03, 20:14 +0100, where I live), you wrote: MAL I am not very familiar with the concept of selective uoting in MAL replies as I am used to just posting reply at top of message. It MAL seems like a very awkward process. Or is that a normal reaction MAL to someone who is new to doing this? I guess it's normal that it takes some time to get used to it. All bad habits are hard to shake. (Just like smoking) As I was taught to quote sparsely when I started mailing I can't speak from my own experience. MAL When I select one part of a message to respond to, I hit F4 and can MAL write a reply, but the rest of the message disappears. Yep, that's why it's called 'selective quoting', you select only the part you want to reply to. MAL Is the answer simply cursoring through the message and leaving a MAL blank line between the quotes and my response? When you want to reply to several parts of the message, you don't use F4, but you quote the whole message. (Just like I did, in this message.) You delete the irrelevant parts and type your reply beneath the actual questions. A blank line between quotes and response enhances the readability, so it's something I'm doing all of the time. My first mail program did it automatically, so you could say that it's behaviour I grew in to. ;-) -- Groetjes, Roelof Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: I'm a bit perplexed here re: grouping and reading a set of messages ... only those messages within the group ...
Hello , Wednesday, November 12, 2003, 1:45:37 PM, you wrote: BD Oh well, it's not the end of the world, but would be nice if I could BD do that. If you are moving by using the arrow keys, then the down arrow moves to the nest thread, but the right arrow moves to the next message in the thread. Actually you have to use a combination of the down arrow key and the right arrow key to continue reading the thread depending on whether the next message is on the same level or one level down. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] 43 shopping days left til Xmas. Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
HTTP mail server? was Re: Setting up theBat for dsl?
Hi Susanne, Wednesday, November 12, 2003, 12:58:18 PM, you wrote: If anyone has any info as to how to set up theBat to retrieve my mail from msn, I'd be grateful. Some more info concerning this: email from msn seems to be connected to hotmail, somehow, and the server is not SMTP, but HTTP, which doesn't appear to be an option with TB. I'd hate to have to switch to a different mail program (OE), but have no choice but use msn at this point. I'm still hoping there will be a way to set up TB to retrieve my email. -- Best regards, Susannemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.53d OS: Windows 98 4.90 Build 3000 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Setting up theBat for dsl?
On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, Susanne wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: S I've tried to use the OE info I was given, but this didn't work. Why not? I think that's your best bet, because it has the port numbers and any authentication requirements. If OE can do it, it is likely that TB! can do it (but not the other way around). If you can figure out why it didn't work, let us know. If not, you can post the OE instructions here and we can try to translate, but be sure to mask any information that should not go to the world at large, like usernames, passwords, etc. -- JN Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I'm a bit perplexed here re: grouping and reading a set of messages ... only those messages within the group ...
Hi Bo, On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 11:45:37 AM PST, you wrote: Oh well, it's not the end of the world, but would be nice if I could do that. TB! usually has several ways to do one thing (hmmm...how many ways can TB! change a lightbulb? :-)). Anyway... If you want to read each thread message by message, whether you've already read some of the message before or not, here's *one* way... First, you want to be sure the thread you want to read is completely expanded: Keyboard shortcut (without slashes): Shift/Ctrl/+ Then, just use the down arrow key to go from top to bottom, and the up arrow key to move up through the messages. You can collapse a single thread with: Shift/Ctrl/- Or... You can expand *all* threads in a folder with Ctrl/* (the * on the number pad), then you can go up and down through every message in the folder with the up/down arrow keys. -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys TB! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Automated message: Subscription verification request
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Alain, On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 22:53:52 +0100 (4:53 PM here), Alain de Gevigney [AdG] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: AdG On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 at 22:48:31 [GMT +0100] (which was 22:48 AdG where I live) you wrote: THIS IS AN AUTOMATED MESSAGE. Whoopsie ... folder template run amok. - -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v2.01.26 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1 (see kludges for my pgp key) . -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/suv5RbTFvUNHmLkRAhIfAKC/rC+Kh3sEyQawZDX++7VhtrHwUgCfd6yF ySDdcssu6EjcaCmLDnZtWqc= =jtIs -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: HTTP mail server? was Re: Setting up theBat for dsl?
Hi Susanne, @12-Nov-2003, 17:33 -0800 (13-Nov 01:33 UK time) Susanne [S] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Susanne: If anyone has any info as to how to set up theBat to retrieve my mail from msn, I'd be grateful. S Some more info concerning this: email from msn seems to be S connected to hotmail, somehow, and the server is not SMTP, but S HTTP, which doesn't appear to be an option with TB. Correct. Use TB via Hotpopper - www.boolean.ca. It works a treat - even through proxy servers. -- Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator TB! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 ' pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Kasperesky - plugin or stand alone?
Hi, On Wednesday at 6:34 AM you wrote: A ... download the Pro eval version, shut down A Kaspersky completely and install the Pro over the top of the A Personal version It wont let me install Pro version over the personal. I get a pop up that states that I have another version of Kaspersky installed. So it cancels the install. -- Darrin The Bat 2.01.3 --PGP Key Request-- http://www.speakeasy.org/~drich/pgp.html pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Error: Canvas does not allow drawing
G'day TBUDL Members, Several times today my Bat! has crashed with multiple pop-up warning boxes saying Canvas does not allow drawing or Canvas does not allow. This has happened when I have tried to move a message, and also when opening an existing message to reread it. As the boxes are popping up faster than I can click on the OK the only way out has been to CTRL-ALT-DEL. I have tried running the folder maintenance function and it reports no errors (or indeed any action required). Closing and re-opening The Bat! initially solved the problem but it then happened again. I have closed Windows down and rebooted and so far there have been no more problems. Any suggestions as to what might be causing the problem, and how to fix it, would be appreciated. -- Bob Mo®®is Thursday, 13 November 2003 Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why isn't the message being PGP-signed?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Mark, On Wed, 12 Nov 2003 16:23:16 +0100 (10:23 AM here), Mark Partous [MP] wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]: MP Yes, no problem, neither with folder templates. It's only in a MP Quick Template, used for Mass Mailing that it doesn't work. I'm not using that method, but it looks like an outstanding bug. The RITLabs Bugtracking System has this entry: http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=393 - -- Kevin Coates Dewitt, NY USA Using TB! v2.01.26 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP1 (see kludges for my pgp key) . -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQE/swa9RbTFvUNHmLkRAo9BAKCHHyD5i+LKn11ucaSrAB/QTnCzbQCgqbnX tFBlWOZnAGYAYGpdIOSt01A= =bd/f -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: I'm a bit perplexed here re: grouping and reading a set of messages ... only those messages within the group ...
Hello Stuart and Melissa, Thank you both for your suggestions. I used both the Shift-Cntrl +/- to expand and contract grouped messages (grouped using Vasily's suggestion of View View thread by References). Both commands worked quite well. However, I was unsuccessful in being able to read one message right after another. Yes, the up, down, right arrow keys worked in the sense of moving from one message to another IN THE GROUPED LIST itself, but, after opening the first message in the list and after having read it, to simply move to the next message (with it spontaneously opening to be read) is/was a non-event/a no-go. Perhaps I am failing to describe my problem adequately, so let's say you open a message in your inbox, then you select the Next icon option. It has been my experience that the next message will automatically open and present itself to be read. The Subject field of these messages aren't necessarily even related ... simply messages received in a certain order. What I would like to do is simply select a message (either grouped per se via the Search Tool or the View by thread option) and be able to do the same thing ... having no luck thus far, so I have to assume PEBCAK (Problem Exists Between Chair And Keyboard) since it seems like you folks don't have this problem. Thanks Melissa for the detailed suggestions ... and you are certainly correct when you state there are more than one way to achieve an objective. BYW, I agree with your suggestion re: a toggle ON/OFF switch for reading emails ON/OFF line. This functionality has nothing to do with whether one has broadband or dial-up. I'll keep trying on my end. Maybe I'm close and am just missing something ... but just don't know it. Yeah, right. LOL. Take care y'all. -- Best regards, Dirigomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I'm a bit perplexed here re: grouping and reading a set of messages ... only those messages within the group ...
Hi Bo, On Wednesday, November 12, 2003, at 9:00:51 PM PST, you wrote: Perhaps I am failing to describe my problem adequately, so let's say you open a message in your inbox, then you select the Next icon option. It has been my experience that the next message will automatically open and present itself to be read. The Subject field of these messages aren't necessarily even related ... simply messages received in a certain order. I guess you're reading in Folder View. Okay... If you're not using any threading options, the message list will be in simple chronological order (ascending or descending order, by either time created or time received...all depending on your preference). If you're reading like that, the Next icon will just go down the list one by one. If you're using a threaded view (threading by references is usually the preferred way to thread), the Next icon will not open threads, but jump to the next thread immediately after the last opened message in the previous thread. If you want to read threads one by one, message by message, the easiest way is this: Down arrow to go to the next message if it's on the same level (not a direct reply to the current message). Right arrow to go to the reply to the current message. Then, if there are no more nestled replies from where you're at, yet there are more messages in the thread below, the down arrow will again take you to the next message. -- Melissa PGP public keys: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]Body=Please%20send%20keys TB! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1 pgp0.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I'm a bit perplexed here re: grouping and reading a set of messages ... only those messages within the group ...
Hello Melissa Thank you for your email dated Thursday, November 13, 2003, 2:01:36 AM, in which you wrote: MR hmmm...how many ways can TB! change a lightbulb? It doesn't need to - it outshines all other MUAs. -- Regards William http://www.residues.info and http://www.magiric.com Flying with The Bat! www.ritlabs.com/the_bat Windows 2000 Pro 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
triplicated subject
Another of those impossible reply messages: I used the reply template listed below to reply to the Copy Editing List digest (the list is run by Bill Blinn, a member here), and copied the subject line from the digest to the MicroEd window in place of the digest subject which the reply macro automatically placed there. The subject looked OK, but came out on the list digest as: Subject: =?ISO-8859-15?Q?Re=3A_CHAT=3A_Birthday_Greetings=0D=0ARe=3A_CHAT=3A_Bir?= =?ISO-8859-15?Q?thday_Greetings=0D=0ARe=3A_CHAT=3A_Birthday_Greetings?= When I looked at the sent message, that is what appears in the subject line, until I click in the subject area of the viewer, upon which it instantly reverts to: Re: CHAT: Birthday Greetings though if I copy that and paste it here I get: Re: CHAT: Birthday Greetings Re: CHAT: Birthday Greetings Re: CHAT: Birthday Greetings (That's right, three of them with one paste), Any ideas? For further information, the template used is: Hello %OFromFName, On %ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn, you wrote: %Quotes %Cursor %QINCLUDE=siggen -- Gordon Woolf The Worsley Press Hastings, Victoria, Australia www.worsleypress.com [EMAIL PROTECTED] New Book: Success in Store - How to Start or Buy a Retail Business, Enjoy Running It and Make Money Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Checking Multiple emails 1 at a time
I thought I recalled seeing that the NEW Bat 2.x could check multiple email accounts one at a time instead of doing the multi thread checking multiple accounts at the same time Is that in yet? Did I miss that switch in the preferences?? I would bet its multithread by default. Scott Windows 2000 The Bat 2.01.3 Popfile Spam Filter http://popfile.sourceforge.net/ Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Error: Canvas does not allow drawing
Several times today my Bat! has crashed with multiple pop-up warning boxes saying Canvas does not allow drawing or Canvas does not allow. I find this error typically occurs when my computer is very low on resources. As you discovered, a reboot generally solves the problem. Best of luck, Jane Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I'm a bit perplexed here re: grouping and reading a set of messages ... only those messages within the group ...
On Thu 13 November 2003, 16:19:39 +1000, Melissa Reese wrote: Hi Bo, Perhaps I am failing to describe my problem adequately, so let's say you open a message in your inbox, then you select the Next icon option. It has been my experience that the next message will automatically open and present itself to be read. The Subject field of these messages aren't necessarily even related ... simply messages received in a certain order. I guess you're reading in Folder View. Okay... And I bet not only that, but also with the message list view turned off, so that only the single message, and not the folder contents, are visible. Bo - go to the View menu item and make sure Message List is selected. Unless you do, the rest of Melissa's instructions won't make a lot of sense because you will be working blind. -- Robin Anson Using The Bat! v2.01.3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
