Re: problems w. multiple user accounts (user / admin) in win xp home
Hello Chris, @Montag, 30. August 2004, 00:10 you wrote: Create a shared directory that both the administrator and the limited user have full control over. Then change the Mail Directory in The Bat! (found under Options - Preferences... - System) for both users. You can apply a modified principle of this and allow any user on the computer to use The Bat! separately from the other users. can you please give me a little more info on that matter? i guess, it's a good idea, to set up such a folder on a non-system-drive. But how can i set up different folders in there, that are owned by different users, but the same TB? E.g., i need folders for steve, clare, ralph, ... -- Regards, Ralph Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
anyone know a really GOOD and recent review from a big magazine or so about TB?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hallo Fledermäuse, today our admin was asking me why I insist on using that weirdo email client Bat anyway, and I would like to show him a good review about it. The last one from 2004 that I know was a bad one, from PC mag. :-( I really try to promote TB! at work, but one can see (with all my problems) that Bill Gates is doing is usual best (and he is really good at that) to make every program to need all his other programs. Exchange Server? Better only use Outlook! ARGH! Ah and since I am at it, without you guys out there (especially Roelof, who will never go thirsty here in my home town ;-), but also Robin, Allie or Marck et al), I think my TB! wouldn't do anything that I couldn't do with Outlook. Merci bien. - -- regards, Jürgen :eu-flag3: :de-bw: If the early bird gets the worm, then what incentive do worms have to wake up early? Death? Using The Bat! v2.12.03, Opera v7.54.3865 on Win.XP.5.1.2600.SP1 * PGP key available on request: send mail with subject 'PGP key request' -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (MingW32) iD8DBQFBM4GEoXyU9LPZSMERAgPkAKCT0L1Tsgn3r+U3LMKvZEiNbmijegCeOXZC nnU8XPvd8ISEL0p1KZ9XDKY= =ftkY -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: anyone know a really GOOD and recent review from a big magazine or so about TB?
Hello Jurgen Haug, I myself find it very hard to describe the advantages of TB over any other mail client - because many of the most powerful features aren't exactly available at the surface of the program but are in depths one must be willing to explore. 30-Aug-2004 21:35, you wrote: I think my TB! wouldn't do anything that I couldn't do with Outlook. Merci bien. The mailer part surely isn't one of Outlook's strengths :) and I see little sense in using Outlook at home (or generally in any environment without MS Exchange putting the things together), but in an MS Exchange environment, I see little chance of replacing it as a client. In our company we make massive use of public folders, contacts, group calendars and whatnot - thats not the strength of TB. -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) DP2: On Air by Saafi Brothers from 'Mystic Cigarettes' Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB and XP new SP2...
Zonnet @ 2004-Aug-30 3:54:51 AM TB and XP new SP2... mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Took me a few moments to disable the monitoring of the firewall and disable warnings about automatic updates. Was that not what the whole PS2 update was about? You just disabled most of a 260MB update :evillol: No. There were about 298 other things included in the update (See http://snipurl.com/8hfn ). The firewall was the most publicized. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Would a fly without wings be called a walk? pgpqxaXCuQ6Oj.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wrap quick template used with clipboard?
Christopher Brown @ 2004-Aug-30 2:43:51 PM Wrap quick template used with clipboard? mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] View - Edit shortcut keys - Utilities - Insert QT - and enter a shortcut key for the wrap QT I don't have this item. My list contains: You have to do this from a message editing windows, like the one you use to reply. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 If debugging is the process of removing bugs, then programming must be the process of putting them in. pgpt40zuy7W0r.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: problems w. multiple user accounts (user / admin) in win xp home
Ralph @ 2004-Aug-30 1:59:55 AM problems w. multiple user accounts (user / admin) in win xp home mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Create a shared directory that both the administrator and the limited user have full control over. Then change the Mail Directory in The Bat! (found under Options - Preferences... - System) for both users. You can apply a modified principle of this and allow any user on the computer to use The Bat! separately from the other users. can you please give me a little more info on that matter? i guess, it's a good idea, to set up such a folder on a non-system-drive. But how can i set up different folders in there, that are owned by different users, but the same TB? E.g., i need folders for steve, clare, ralph, ... This is a long one... Log on as an administrator. First, turn off Simple File Sharing. To do this, open a directory. Then click on the Tools menu. Select Folder Options. In the dialog box, select the View tab. Scroll down to the bottom of the list and un-check Use simple file sharing. Click the Apply to All Folders button. If needed, click Yes. Then click OK. Create a directory to hold your mail directories, for example C:\MAIL. When you are in that folder, right click on some empty space and select Properties. Click on the Security tab. Click on the Advanced button. Un-check the first checkbox, Inherit from the parent... In the box that comes up, click Remove. Then click OK. Back at the Security tab, click the Add button. In the text box, type SYSTEM; Administrators (NB: These names need to be in German for you, so you might have to click Advanced and then Find Now to get a list of all the users on your computer. Be sure to add the SYSTEM account and the Administrators group). Those two security principles will appear in the upper box. Click on each one and in the lower box check Full Control in the Allow column. Click OK. Then, create a sub directory for each user in that directory, for example C:\MAIL\Steve, C:\MAIL\Clare, etc. Select one of the directories. For this example, we will use Steve's directory, C:\MAIL\Steve. Right click on that directory and select Properties. Click on the Security tab. Click on the Add button. Enter Steve's username in the box. Click OK. Select Steve's security principle in the upper box and check Full Control in the Allow column. Click OK. Repeat with the other directories as needed. Log off. As another user (Steve, fox example), log on. Open The Bat! Open the Options menu. Then select Preferences. Click on System on the left. Click on Browse and select the appropriate directory from C:\MAIL. For Steve, this directory is C:\MAIL\Steve. Repeat with the other users as needed. There are many modifications on this theme. Also, permissions can be set very finely. Experiment. If you run into a problem, the Administrator account should be able to fix the mistakes. However, you may need to take control of the file or folder to do so. NB: Some of the English terms may not translate well into German. Try your best. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 How can you tell when sour cream goes bad? pgpczRUwTkfsc.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: problems w. multiple user accounts (user / admin) in win xp home
Hi Chris! First, turn off Simple File Sharing. To do this, open a directory. I'm pretty sure you don't have seen a Windows XP Home yet :-) There is no Simple File Sharing in Home. But maybe it works out as Ralph has a tool to set rights on files. But maybe it is simpler to start the computer in Safe Mode and then login as Administrator. Then the Security tab is available. -- Das war's mal wieder, Raymund Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: problems w. multiple user accounts (user / admin) in win xp home
Raymund Thomas Tump @ 2004-Aug-30 5:04:59 PM problems w. multiple user accounts (user / admin) in win xp home mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] First, turn off Simple File Sharing. I'm pretty sure you don't have seen a Windows XP Home yet :-) There is no Simple File Sharing in Home. I completely forgot that Windows XP Home (AKA, Windows XP Crippled) doesn't let you modify permissions without jumping through hoops. But maybe it works out as Ralph has a tool to set rights on files. Perhaps. I wish I knew what tool he was using. But maybe it is simpler to start the computer in Safe Mode and then login as Administrator. Then the Security tab is available. Yes. If you restart a Windows XP Home machine in Safe Mode, the Security tab becomes available. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 If the cops arrest a mime do they tell him or her that he or she has the right to remain silent? pgpp7yXppMaml.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: move a mail to another folder - takes 10+ seconds?
Hello Thomas, M What's wrong about using Task Manager? Where do I find this in Win98? I don't know, I never used Win98. I went from Win95 to NT4 and then to W2K. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.13 Lucky Beta/8 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: anyone know a really GOOD and recent review from a big magazine or so about TB?
Alexander S. Kunz, [ASK] wrote: In our company we make massive use of public folders, contacts, group calendars and whatnot - thats not the strength of TB. About the only thing you could duplicate is the use of public folders. Though you can't create one, TB! will subscribe to public or shared folders. You can associate TB! address books with LDAP servers. That leaves only the calendar stuff. The problem is really the choice of server software and if it's Exchange then Outlook beats other solutions in terms of optimization for use with Exchange. -- Allie Martin [List Moderator and fellow end-user] · My PGP-Keys: http://key.ac-martin.com · The Bat! v2.13 Lucky Beta/8 · Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 2) . Using yesterday's technology to solve today's problems, tomorrow pgpXnlHJ7vleF.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
bug: TB keeps asking to set as default mailer on XP non-admin account
Hello TBUDL, after giving the users on this computer user-only permissions and re-installing the Office XP suite again the default E-Mail client was Outlook (forgot to disable that component). Now TB asks with every program start if it should be set as the user's default email program and I always say Yes, but it keeps asking. So I pulled Regmon out and it gives ACCDENIED for this: 1.87635440 thebat.exe:3736 CreateKey HKLM\Software\Clients\Mail ACCDENIED Access: 0xF003F BASE\dAniel 1.87647201 thebat.exe:3736 CreateKey HKLM\Software\Clients\Mail ACCDENIED Access: 0xF003F BASE\dAniel 2.02317920 thebat.exe:3736 CreateKey HKCR\.msg ACCDENIED Access: 0xF003F BASE\dAniel 2.02327391 thebat.exe:3736 CreateKey HKCR\.msg ACCDENIED Access: 0xF003F BASE\dAniel 2.02360719 thebat.exe:3736 CreateKey HKCR\.eml ACCDENIED Access: 0xF003F BASE\dAniel 2.02367759 thebat.exe:3736 CreateKey HKCR\.eml ACCDENIED Access: 0xF003F BASE\dAniel [here comes the dialog asking for set-as-default] 2.12346346 thebat.exe:3736 CreateKey HKCR\mailto\shell\open\DDEexec ACCDENIED Access: 0xF003F BASE\dAniel 2.12359448 thebat.exe:3736 CreateKey HKCR\mailto\shell\open\DDEexec ACCDENIED Access: 0xF003F BASE\dAniel 2.12381741 thebat.exe:3736 CreateKey HKCR\mailto\shell\open\DDEexec ACCDENIED Access: 0x200 BASE\dAniel 2.12403113 thebat.exe:3736 CreateKey HKCR\mailto\shell\open\DDEexec ACCDENIED Access: 0x200 BASE\dAniel 2.12412360 thebat.exe:3736 CreateKey HKLM\Software\Clients\Mail ACCDENIED Access: 0xF003F BASE\dAniel 2.12422026 thebat.exe:3736 CreateKey HKLM\Software\Clients\Mail ACCDENIED Access: 0xF003F BASE\dAniel Pity. I could give permissions for those keys, but they are system-wide anyway and not user-related, AFAICS. I changed the default E-Mail application to The Bat in the properties of the start menu (show in start menu), but that does not seem to matter. Suggestions? Already bugtracked? -- shinE! GnuPG/PGP key: http://thequod.de/danielhahler.asc ICQ#152282665 Random software tip: [***] Total Commander (http://www.ghisler.com/) Lifted with The Bat! 2.12.03 on Windows XP Service Pack 2. Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug: TB keeps asking to set as default mailer on XP non-admin account
dAniel hAhler @ 2004-Aug-30 7:26:19 PM bug: TB keeps asking to set as default mailer on XP non-admin account mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] after giving the users on this computer user-only permissions and re-installing the Office XP suite again the default E-Mail client was Outlook (forgot to disable that component). Now TB asks with every program start if it should be set as the user's default email program and I always say Yes, but it keeps asking. SNIP I could give permissions for those keys, but they are system-wide anyway and not user-related, AFAICS. Yes, they are system wide, but the define the default mail client for the system. Log-in as an administrator and run The Bat! to have it set itself as the default client. I changed the default E-Mail application to The Bat in the properties of the start menu (show in start menu), but that does not seem to matter. That changes the local default mail client not the global one. The Bat! is trying to set the global one. Already bugtracked? This is not really a bug on The Bat!'s part; it's more or a permission error. However, I hesitate to use error. Permissions are setup correctly... Perhaps side effect is a better term? -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v2.12.00 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Drawing on my fine command of language, I said nothing. pgp2oVtkvbBRg.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: move a mail to another folder - takes 10+ seconds?
What about memory usage by TB (and overall)?. Do you perhaps reach or get near RAM+Virtual total? no. my machine has 1G mem (yes, i'm a software developer so i need a monster to work for me). by the time thebat is freezing, i don't see a significant increment of memory usage. the available mem is still 600+MB or so. -- Samson, using Agent newsreader Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: move a mail to another folder - takes 10+ seconds?
Which TB version are you using, and which Windows version? 2 machines have the same issue (i sync mail back and forth between office and home everyday so both bats have the same folder structure and mails, and this freeze problem). one is office PC with Pentium 3 800MHZ and 512M, 60G UDMA100 HD. the other is my home PC with Pentium 4 2.0G and 1G mem, 160G Western Digital UDMA133 HD. the freeze is about 10 sec on the P4 home PC, worse on the P3 (15-20 sec). i have noticed this since thebat 2.12 (might be earlier, but 2.12 is the first version that i started to pay attention to this annoying thing), and still exists in latest lucky/6. -- Samson, using Agent newsreader Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: move a mail to another folder - takes 10+ seconds?
Which TB version are you using, and which Windows version? 2 machines have the same issue (i sync mail back and forth between office and home everyday so both bats have the same folder structure and mails, and this freeze problem). one is office PC with Pentium 3 800MHZ and 512M, 60G UDMA100 HD. the other is my home PC with Pentium 4 2.0G and 1G mem, 160G Western Digital UDMA133 HD. sorry i forgot to mention the OS: the office PC is windows 2000 pro and home pc is windows server 2003. -- Samson, using Agent newsreader Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: move a mail to another folder - takes 10+ seconds?
Search for *bat*.*tmp*, and delete them all. thanks for the info. which directory do they usually reside in? i tried both thebat dir and temp dir, found nothing... -- Samson, using Agent newsreader Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
