Filters 3.0
I've defined a number of Common Filters and today I realised that most of them have disappeared from the Sorting Office. However, when I open account.srb in a text editor I can see references to the vanished filters. Is there a way to recover them? Thanks, Jan Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: how to auto-mark moved mails as read?
Hello Feli, Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 10:47:02 PM, you wrote: Select any common folder, then press CTRL-ALT-P to bring up the account properties for the common folders. This setting applies to all common folders. You meant CTRL-SHIFT-P, did you? Yes. rgh :-) -- Best regards, Alexandermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPAM and Message-IDs (was: Re: How to filter such a message?)
Hallo Thorvald, On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 07:53:48 +0200GMT (30-9-2004, 7:53 +0200, where I live), you wrote: TN Concerning MIDs: Is it safe to assume a valid email does always TN contain a MID? No, it should have a MiID, but some users deliberately set their mail client or server to remove the from their message. They obviously don't care about RFCs, nor do they care about proper threading and such. TN I just saw some SPAM mails do not have a MID. We've seen proper list contributions here without MID, as a consequence the replies didn't thread. When there's a MID lacking, it should be inserted by a receiving mail server, however not all servers do that (and when they do all of them give the same message different MIDs) -- Groetjes, Roelof I think, therefore I cannot be a moderator The Bat! 3.0.1 RC1 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgp5VNJnAUk3J.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Re[2]: v3 Closing silently and frequently
On Thu, 23 Sep 2004 23:42:17 +0100, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hello Monty! On Thursday, September 23, 2004, 4:45 PM, you wrote: Absolutely blooming not. Only to find that I'll have to lose more earning time sorting out other bugs. As it is I'm doing a full back up every hour - just in case. My business would be in ruins if I lost the functionality of TB. This has cost me two days lost work and I've transferred everything to a slower laptop where it is working fine. I am a really pd off TB enthusiast. If it helps, I've been running the latest beta without problems for a while now - it's solved the random closing problem at least! Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
How to set font ?
Io, I use HTML/PlainText mail format and by default, font is set to Courier New size 9 by TB3. All my mail have to be written in ARial 10. I can't find where I have to set this definitively. Today I change it for each new mail but I'm tired to do this... An idea ? Thanks -- WilWilWil (France) TB 3.0 Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to set font ?
Hello WilWilWil, On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 12:09:26 +0200GMT WilWilWil wrote: I use HTML/PlainText mail format this is a setting for viewing mails and by default, font is set to Courier New size 9 by TB3. All my mail have to be written in ARial 10. did you try verdana? it's also very nice I can't find where I have to set this definitively. Today I change it for each new mail but I'm tired to do this... very boring :-) An idea ? select the editor you want to modify from preferences/viewer-editor/ and change the font settings to arial. hth -- Regards, Feli The Bat! 3.0.1 RC1 on Windows 2000 5.0 2195 Service Pack 4 BayesIt! 0.6.10 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to set font ?
Howdy Wil, Thursday, September 30, 2004, 11:09:26 AM, Wil wrotened: Wil I use HTML/PlainText mail format and by Wil default, font is set to Courier New size 9 by TB3. Wil All my mail have to be written in ARial 10. Wil I can't find where I have to set this Wil definitively. Today I change it for each new mail but I'm Wil tired to do this... Options\Preferences\Viewer+Editor Change the options in there. -- Have Fun, | | |en is |\ohop [EMAIL PROTECTED] crashing The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.70GHz 598 MHz 1.00GB RAM I'm not a pessimist. I'm just optimistically challenged. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
There are 3 options for 8 bit mail : Which one have I to set ?
Io, In account properties \ mail management \ 8 bit mail treatment, there are 3 options for 8 bit mail : - without changes - as quote printable - as base 64 What are the differences ? Which one have I to set ? Thanks -- WilWilWil (France) TB 3.0 Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Try to find Alow local delivery
ON Thursday, September 30, 2004, 12:13:27 AM, you wrote: RO That's hardly logical, after all it isn't an account specific setting. RO Would you like to set it for every account? Well yes please. RO Or to be more specific. Suppose you've got two accounts, one with RO local delivery enabled and one with local delivery disabled. Your RO writing a mail from the enabled to the disabled account. What should RO TB do? Do a local delivery, because that's what the sending account RO wants or don't do a local delivery, because the receiving account RO doesn't want it? I would like to have it local delivered if the sending account has local delivery enabled. This makes perfect sends to me. RO That's why it's in the global network settings and not in the account RO properties. If you are seeing it as a global setting. I see this as an account specific mail transport setting. There is one, for me at least, compelling reason to have this as an account setting. I use one of my accounts on my iPAQ. One of the things I do is send a mail with a specific subject, that creates an autoreply. I do this so I can see if TB! is still up and running. Obviously I do not want to have it delivered locally, because then it would not reach my ISP mail server were I would collect it with my iPAQ. So you see I want all my accounts set for local delivery except 1. Now I just switch them all of and on when I leave. So as you see I would like to have it were I can find it but I will also accept your kind offer of making it a local setting :grin: -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Good players have the power to think while they are competing. Most golfers are not thinking even when they believe they are. They are only worrying. Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Sometimes they are ISO 8859-1, sometimes they are US quote printable ASCII, sometimes they are 8 bit, sometimes they are 7 bit ! My mails sources : Sometimes they are 8 bit, sometimes they are 7 bit, Sometimes they are ISO 8859-1, sometimes they are US quote printable ASCII...
Io, When I look at the source of my sent mails, sometimes they are 8 bit, sometimes they are 7 bit ! Sometimes they are ISO 8859-1, sometimes they are US quote printable ASCII ? Can you explain me the role of these properties ? Why such changes without any changes from me in account parameters ? Thanks -- WilWilWil (France) TB 3.0 Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Try to find Alow local delivery
ON Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 11:20:35 PM, you wrote: PC I've changed this a few times myself, and I agree with you!! Paul, Thanks :-) -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Talking to a golf ball won't do you any good unless you do it while your opponent is teeing off. Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pick an e-mail address display problem
Hi Chris, On Wed, 29 Sep 2004, at 20:40:38 [GMT-0400] (which was Thu, 10:40:38 Australian Eastern Time) you wrote: It is a known bug and has been fixed in the latest beta. Thanks. -- John Phillips, Sydney, Australia Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Exxon - greasing the coastline for smoother boating! Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sometimes they are ISO 8859-1, sometimes they are US quote printable ASCII, sometimes they are 8 bit, sometimes they are 7 bit ! My mails sources : Sometimes they are 8 bit, sometimes they are 7 bit, Sometimes they are ISO 8859-1, sometimes they are US quote printable ASCII...
Hello WilWilWil, On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:16:28 +0200GMT WilWilWil wrote: When I look at the source of my sent mails, sometimes they are 8 bit, sometimes they are 7 bit ! Sometimes they are ISO 8859-1, sometimes they are US quote printable ASCII ? when you do not have accented characters in your mail, TB will use Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii and Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit because your mail can be displayed with these settings. If you use accented characters like é or â TB will use the character set you defined in your settings. -- Regards, Feli The Bat! 3.0.1 RC1 on Windows 2000 5.0 2195 Service Pack 4 BayesIt! 0.6.10 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sometimes they are ISO 8859-1, sometimes they are US quote printable ASCII, sometimes they are 8 bit, sometimes they are 7 bit ! My mails sources : Sometimes they are 8 bit, sometimes they are 7 bit, Sometimes they are ISO 8859-1, sometimes they are US quote printable ASCII...
Hæ! Thursday, September 30, 2004, 13:57, Feli Wilcke wrote: when you do not have accented characters in your mail, TB will use Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii and Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit because your mail can be displayed with these settings. If you use accented characters like é or â TB will use the character set you defined in your settings. You can override this with a small macro in your templates: %CHARSET=characterset -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ --- The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 PopFile v0.22.0 Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) --- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to set font ?
I use HTML/PlainText mail format this is a setting for viewing mails and by default, font is set to Courier New size 9 by TB3. All my mail have to be written in ARial 10. did you try verdana? it's also very nice I like Bitstream Vera Sans. It is not a fixed width font, but it is very nice and has anti-aliasing enabled - giving very smooth text. Bitstream Vera Sans is a free font included in many Linux distributions. -- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Try to find Alow local delivery
Hallo Gerard, On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 13:12:29 +0200GMT (30-9-2004, 13:12 +0200, where I live), you wrote: G If you are seeing it as a global setting. I see this as an account G specific mail transport setting. You can choose amongst the following options: 1) Add it to the wishlist, but don't hold your breath... 2) As you've got your local server running, forget about the local delivery system. 3) Convince your ISP to add an extra alias for the iPAQ account so that in spite of your local delivery that mail get wil get directed to your pop3 account 4) As the previous, but manage the alias with your mail server. -- Groetjes, Roelof GPF:018 Unrecoverable error. System destroyed. The Bat! 3.0.1 RC1 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpRlaNqw5klU.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Email Send Problems
ON Sunday, September 26, 2004, 6:20:55 AM, you wrote: MP I now have use Avast which has a specific plugin for TheBat! and it worked MP just fine until I upgraded Windows XP with SP3... Hi M.Putnam, That would be your problem. There is no official SP3 release from MS. Everybody else just installed SP2. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= It was golf and the love of a good woman that saved Rodney Spelvin. The moment he had bought his bag of clubs and signed up Anastatia Bates as a partner for lifes medal round, he was a different man. ==P.G Wodehouse - RODNEY HAS A RELAPSE == Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPAM and Message-IDs (was: Re: How to filter such a message?)
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 30 Sep 2004, @ @ at 07:53:48 +0200, when Thorvald Neumann wrote: Hæ! Concerning MIDs: Is it safe to assume a valid email does always contain a MID? I just saw some SPAM mails do not have a MID. As I understand a newer RFC update(s) concerning MIDs, a MID is desirable, but is not obligatory, for a message to be valid. I can't recall exactly in this moment which RFC refers to this, but if you are interested in I could search through my backups, or someone better informed could drop a note instantly. I didn't see any message having not a MID which was not a spam, so far. - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast [Earth LOG: 29 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBW/nf9q62QPd3XuIRAlNBAJ4x1iGa3Yiv9tXNFGgPNGWxgE32bQCdFJn2 xeun3gKES5nSIDiMjo+Dum8= =Gd0b -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to set font ?
Hello Spam, On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:33:09 +0200GMT Spam wrote: did you try verdana? it's also very nice I like Bitstream Vera Sans. It is not a fixed width font, but it is very nice and has anti-aliasing enabled - giving very smooth text. Bitstream Vera Sans is a free font included in many Linux distributions. look here: http://tinyurl.com/4yheo there is also a fixed width version of Vera Sans that can easily be installed in the windows font dir. -- Regards, Feli The Bat! 3.0.1 RC1 on Windows 2000 5.0 2195 Service Pack 4 BayesIt! 0.6.10 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to set font ?
Hello Spam, On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:33:09 +0200GMT Spam wrote: did you try verdana? it's also very nice I like Bitstream Vera Sans. It is not a fixed width font, but it is very nice and has anti-aliasing enabled - giving very smooth text. Bitstream Vera Sans is a free font included in many Linux distributions. look here: http://tinyurl.com/4yheo there is also a fixed width version of Vera Sans that can easily be installed in the windows font dir. Thank you. I was looking for those before :) ´ -- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPAM and Message-IDs (was: Re: How to filter such a message?)
Hæ! Thursday, September 30, 2004, 14:19, Mica Mijatovic wrote: I didn't see any message having not a MID which was not a spam, so far. Me neither, but I just searched one of my archives with more than 5000 mails and there seem to be around 30 without MIDs. Is it possible to search for messages which *do not* contain a certain search string (let's say Message-Id)? -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ --- The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 PopFile v0.22.0 Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) --- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
NFS multiple questions
Hi Bat Users, I have recently installed V3 and am now getting to terms with the NFS. I like the general organization but also feel the loss of some function. What I miss the most was the possibility to copy a filter using Ctrl-C and pasting it in a e-mail or notepad. Or am I missing something. I have 2 questions for now. First, some of my filter titles in the left column are colored blue. Does this have a meaning and if so what? The second question is about editing a filter. I have a few filters that look like this. sender ... or... or... or... I now want to add a and function over all these or´s like this: ,- | sender ... |or... |or... |or... `- and not flagged I noticed that I have to place the or´s in a block, but can this be done afterwards? -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- Youre a golfaholic if You think that some day you'll shoot your age, when a more realistic goal would be to shoot your weight! Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPAM and Message-IDs (was: Re: How to filter such a message?)
Hello Mica, On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 14:19:44 +0200 GMT (30/09/2004, 19:19 +0700 GMT), Mica Mijatovic wrote: MM As I understand a newer RFC update(s) concerning MIDs, a MID is MM desirable, but is not obligatory, for a message to be valid. RFC 2822: Quote 3.6.4. Identification fields Though optional, every message SHOULD have a Message-ID: field. Furthermore, reply messages SHOULD have In-Reply-To: and References: fields as appropriate, as described below. /Quote -- Cheers, Thomas. There is a CD out entitled The Worst of Jefferson Airplane. If you buy this, take it home, play it, and enjoy it, should you take it back and demand a refund? Message reply created with The Bat! 2.12.02 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NFS multiple questions
Hello all, Thursday, September 30, 2004, Gerard wrote: I have recently installed V3 and am now getting to terms with the NFS. I like the general organization but also feel the loss of some function. What I miss the most was the possibility to copy a filter using Ctrl-C and pasting it in a e-mail or notepad. Or am I missing something. it works like before, paste it via Ctrl+V. I have 2 questions for now. First, some of my filter titles in the left column are colored blue. Does this have a meaning and if so what? filter has blue colour, if has checked option Continue processing with other filters in Options tab. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 3.0.1 RC1 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sometimes they are ISO 8859-1, sometimes they are US quote printable ASCII, sometimes they are 8 bit, sometimes they are 7 bit ! My mails sources : Sometimes they are 8 bit, sometimes they are 7 bit, Sometimes they are ISO 8859-1, sometimes they are US quote printable ASCII...
Hi, On Thursday, September 30, 2004 at 1:16:28 PM, WilWilWil wrote: When I look at the source of my sent mails, sometimes they are 8 bit, sometimes they are 7 bit ! Sometimes they are ISO 8859-1, sometimes they are US quote printable ASCII ? Why such changes without any changes from me in account parameters ? When you're writing a message, if in this message, there's only ASCII caracters, The Bat! will set the caracter-set to US-ASCII which is coded on 7 bit. If you're writing some accent in it (example : éàù, etc.), The Bat! will set it to the default character-set, that is to say ISO-8859-1 in your case. ISO-8859-1 is coded on 8 bits. -- Ludovic LE MOAL (Quimper - France) URL:http://www.lemoal.org/ ICQ# 92250692 Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows 98 4.10 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Unicode support?
Will The Bat! support Unicode support? For example the very common UTF-8 codepage? Application that communicate with Unicode do not need to know any other code pages (such as ISO-8859-1, big5, shift-jis, etc). Unicode support allmost all current languages in the world, including Arabic, Japanese and Chinese with its Kanji characters. Many email applications such as Outlook, Evolution, Thunderbird and a lot of webmails support UTF-8. -- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
ON Sunday, September 26, 2004, 5:12:47 PM, you wrote: In Address Book templates for certain contacts, you can use the %From= macro. RTT I won't need that, as I will add this to the folder template :-) Raymund, I would take Roelofs suggestion. If you add this to the AB template for that contact, you will never have to worry about which e-mail alias to use. If you add it to the folder template, you might not be on the right folder for that contact when you send a new e-mail or reply to one. Folder templates have to be treated very carefully. They are both a blessing and a curse. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Things That Sound Dirty At Golf But Aren't: After 18 holes I can barely walk Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NFS multiple questions
Hi Marek, ON Thursday, September 30, 2004, 3:43:05 PM, you wrote: MM it works like before, paste it via Ctrl+V. But it isn't readable now is it. It is certainly no help in debugging. First, some of my filter titles in the left column are colored blue. Does this have a meaning and if so what? MM filter has blue colour, if has checked option Continue processing MM with other filters in Options tab. Cool. That is useful. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= A ball will always come to rest halfway down a hill, unless there is sand or water at the bottom. Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPAM and Message-IDs (was: Re: How to filter such a message?)
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 30 Sep 2004, @ @ at 15:11:24 +0200, when Thorvald Neumann wrote: Hæ! Thursday, September 30, 2004, 14:19, Mica Mijatovic wrote: I didn't see any message having not a MID which was not a spam, so far. Me neither, but I just searched one of my archives with more than 5000 mails and there seem to be around 30 without MIDs. Is it possible to search for messages which *do not* contain a certain search string (let's say Message-Id)? Probably possible by searching using regexp (F7 / Advanced / Regular expression), but didn't try ever. But how did you find these 30 messages among those 5000 then? (-: -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast [Earth LOG: 29 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hæ! Thursday, September 30, 2004, 15:53, Gerard wrote: Folder templates have to be treated very carefully. They are both a blessing and a curse. Why are folder templates a curse? So far (== the last five years), they have been a blessing for me... At least when the filters are working... ;) -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ --- The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 PopFile v0.22.0 Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) --- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPAM and Message-IDs (was: Re: How to filter such a message?)
Hæ! Thursday, September 30, 2004, 16:07, Mica Mijatovic wrote: But how did you find these 30 messages among those 5000 then? (-: I just searched for Message-ID in the header... And the search told me e.g. 5030 and when the archive folder contains 5060 mails, the rest must be without MID. ;) So I just got the number of mails without MID. Hmmmh, perhaps I should just create a filter and refilter the messages... -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ --- The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 PopFile v0.22.0 Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) --- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hello Thorvald, On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:18:19 +0200GMT Thorvald Neumann wrote: Why are folder templates a curse? So far (== the last five years), they have been a blessing for me... At least when the filters are working... ;) ... and you are always in the correct folder when replying ;-) -- Regards, Feli The Bat! 3.0.1 RC1 on Windows 2000 5.0 2195 Service Pack 4 BayesIt! 0.6.10 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Dear Thorvald, @30-Sep-2004, 16:18 +0200 (30-Sep 15:18 UK time) Thorvald Neumann [TN] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Gerard: Folder templates have to be treated very carefully. They are both a blessing and a curse. TN Why are folder templates a curse? It's been a while ... about time I trotted out the stock essay: stock lecture I have a pet hate in TB. That pet hate is named Folder Templates. In 150 folders I have two and only two that have folder templates. They are for two specific lists which don't set the reply address properly. There is nothing else for which folder templates can be used that can't be covered and even improved upon using Address Book templates. There are dangers in using Folder Templates that are not there when you use AB templates. The dangers are all complacency based and are at their worst in templates which use the %TO= macro. If, at the instant you start a new message you happen to be focused on the wrong folder, the message gets given the wrong address. This happens when you click a mailto without changing folders. The results vary from embarrassing to excruciating depending upon the content of the misdirected mail. BTW - another mistake in such templates is to use the construct %TO=[EMAIL PROTECTED] without a %TO='' before it. So any pre-existing addresses are retained. Back to the lecture: every time I say this, someone takes exception to something I've said with comments like 'danger' is a bit harsh or I've used Folder templates for ages and it's never gone wrong for me. ... snip It works exactly as designed and that design has a fundamental flaw. The flaw is that it places too much responsibility on the user to make sure that the addresses given on a new message are those intended. With address book templates, there is never a mistake of this kind. Replies are perfectly directed. New messages are a bit trickier. Instead of clicking to the folder then clicking for a new message, you have to click to the right of the new message button and select the list address from the favourites (having denoted that the address *is* a favourite in the address book). /stock lecture TN So far (== the last five years), they have been a blessing for TN me... ... and a danger for others. TN At least when the filters are working... ;) Filters? They don't relate to folder templates. Are you sure that's what you meant? -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.1 RC1 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgp1lMf2i1Ox5.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: SpamPal or K9?
Hello Lynn, Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 5:57:59 PM, you wrote: IL Go to BayesIt home page and download the database from IL them. Load it up, and you will see the difference. It's worth a try ... thanks! Ummm .. I wrote that before I'd discovered that I can't find the home page. I went back through recent posts, but the only dl's I can find are at (or through) the ritlabs page ..? Plugin is written by Alexey Vinogradov ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) Information and updates at http://www.ritlabs.com/ru/solutions/BayesIt.php There is a good article about the filter. (Russian) Here is a direct link http://klirik.narod.ru/arc/spamdict.rar Back Up yours : spamdict.bye, spamdict.idx spamdict.lst from bayesit folder, extract downloaded file and replace this files files. Don't forget to shut down TheBat before doing it :) -- Best regards, Ivanmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mail aliases
Thursday, September 30, 2004, 7:40:10 AM, you wrote: MDP With address book templates, there is never a mistake MDP of this kind. Replies are perfectly directed. New MDP messages are a bit trickier. Instead of clicking to MDP the folder then clicking for a new message, you have MDP to click to the right of the new message button and MDP select the list address from the favourites (having MDP denoted that the address *is* a favourite in the MDP address book). /stock lecture What happens if you send a mail to several addresses having different templates, though ..? -- Lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net TBv.3.0.0.14 NT5 SP4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hæ! Thursday, September 30, 2004, 16:32, Feli Wilcke wrote: ... and you are always in the correct folder when replying ;-) Yes, that's where the message waits for reading/deleting or reading/replying. Just wondering: Aren't you always in the right folder? ;) -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ --- The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 PopFile v0.22.0 Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) --- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[6]: SpamPal or K9?
Thursday, September 30, 2004, 7:47:24 AM, you wrote: IL Back Up yours : spamdict.bye, spamdict.idx IL spamdict.lst from bayesit IL folder, extract downloaded file and replace this files IL files. IL Don't forget to shut down TheBat before doing it :) OK - I'll go look again. I suspect it might be a handicap not to be able to read Russian :-) tnx! -- Lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net TBv.3.0.0.14 NT5 SP4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hæ! I am using folder templates mainly for official standard and/or mailinglist communications (next to Account Templates). I do not see anything bad about that. I guess adding AB templates for each mailinglist member is a tedious task... ;) I am using AB templates only for special people which need a special treatment... ;) And yes, I meant filters... because I sort mail automatically into the right folders... -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ --- The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 PopFile v0.22.0 Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) --- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Dear Lynn, @30-Sep-2004, 07:47 -0700 (30-Sep 15:47 UK time) Lynn [L] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP With address book templates, there is never a mistake of this MDP kind. ... snip L What happens if you send a mail to several addresses L having different templates, though ..? That is generally poor practice IMHO, although I can see cases for it happening. I personally choose one name as the primary recipient with others as CC's - even if it's only yourself being chosen. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.1 RC1 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgprqdtHOfgl2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hello Thorvald, On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:51:44 +0200GMT Thorvald Neumann wrote: ... and you are always in the correct folder when replying ;-) Yes, that's where the message waits for reading/deleting or reading/replying. Just wondering: Aren't you always in the right folder? ;) No, it happens very often that I open a message for replying, then minimize it for replying later, change folders to read other messages and then reply to the first message. Then I'm usually in another folder than the one the message belongs to. But I have no problems with that because I have no folder templates ;-) -- Regards, Feli The Bat! 3.0.1 RC1 on Windows 2000 5.0 2195 Service Pack 4 BayesIt! 0.6.10 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mail aliases
Thursday, September 30, 2004, 7:58:19 AM, you wrote: MDP That is generally poor practice IMHO, although I can MDP see cases for it happening. I personally choose one MDP name as the primary recipient with others as CC's - MDP even if it's only yourself being chosen. But the selected template in that case would be the one attached to the primary mail ..? I use CC and also BCC, and don't often send out 'mass' mails, but for some things I do .. and sometimes the templates wouldn't match .. I have had some problems with folder templates that I'd like to fix, (inspite of some really aggressive searching, TB is still calling some non-existent old files, references to which I can't find in any of the config files) but I'm not sure I'd want to comb the AB (which is fairly big), and build templates for a material percentage of it ... It *might* be worth it, if the AB templates override the template settings in the folder configs .. do they? tnx .. -- Lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net TBv.3.0.0.14 NT5 SP4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hæ! Thursday, September 30, 2004, 17:10, Feli Wilcke wrote: Then I'm usually in another folder than the one the message belongs to. The original message window will retain the focus on the folder from which you opened the message window. And so it will use the folder templates from its parent folder. -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ --- The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 PopFile v0.22.0 Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) --- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hello Roelof Otten everyone else 27-Sep-2004 00:09, you wrote: There's a distinct difference between folder identities and folder templates. Folder templates won't be used in case an AB template is triggered, but the folder identity will be used as long as the folder is selected, just as the account settings are used when the account is selected. OK. But nevertheless, the way TB! handles alias addresses could be improved IMHO. There should be an easier way to pick alias addresses (if you have many and switch them often) other than selecting a folder that has the correct identity (which sounds like a workaround to me). -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using v3.0.1 RC1 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 The important thing is not to stop questioning. Curiosity has its own reason for existing. -- Albert Einstein Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPAM and Message-IDs (was: Re: How to filter such a message?)
Hello Roelof Otten everyone else 30-Sep-2004 09:26, you wrote: I think, therefore I cannot be a moderator LOL! Whats that supposed to mean? :-) -- Best regards, Alexander (http://www.neurowerx.de - ICQ 238153981) using v3.0.1 RC1 on Windows XP Pro Service Pack 2 The trouble with today's individuals is that they're getting harder and harder to tell apart. -- Carl Antczak Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Dear Thorvald, @30-Sep-2004, 16:56 +0200 (30-Sep 15:56 UK time) Thorvald Neumann [TN] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: TN I am using folder templates mainly for official standard and/or TN mailinglist communications That's the one. Right there. You said it. That's the 'danger zone'. TN (next to Account Templates). I do not see anything bad about TN that. What's bad is what happens when you try to write to someone off-list. Your folder template forces it right back onlist and there you are, facial egg neatly applied. It happens over and over. Like I said in my stock lecture - some wise guy always says it's always worked for me. Believe me - that's wrong. You didn't add so far. TN I guess adding AB templates for each mailinglist member is a TN tedious task... ;) Why would you do that? You send messages *to* the list address. Add the list address! Better still, put it in a group called lists and define a single group template for all them! TN I am using AB templates only for special people which need a TN special treatment... ;) Well, that's /one/ way to do it... TN And yes, I meant filters... because I sort mail automatically TN into the right folders... And how do you sort your cursor into the right folder? -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.1 RC1 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpZdHu4CDJr2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: NFS multiple questions
Hallo Gerard, On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 15:56:19 +0200GMT (30-9-2004, 15:56 +0200, where I live), you wrote: MM it works like before, paste it via Ctrl+V. G But it isn't readable now is it. YMMV But I've never considered the pasted filters from the OFS very readable either. Those from the NFS have at least the advantage of being shorter, since they don't mention action that you don't use. G It is certainly no help in debugging. What debugging do you need? All conditions are on one page, the actions are on the second, you don't have to scroll down anymore to see what actions you might have set. You got rid of the alternative and advanced pages with extra conditions, you can see in one sweep what's wrong with the conditions. -- Groetjes, Roelof Hey, I'm not paranoid! Which of my enemies told you this? The Bat! 3.0.1 RC1 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpM38iDM1QHi.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Dear Lynn, @30-Sep-2004, 08:25 -0700 (30-Sep 16:25 UK time) Lynn [L] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP That is generally poor practice IMHO, although I can MDP see cases for it happening. I personally choose one MDP name as the primary recipient with others as CC's - MDP even if it's only yourself being chosen. L But the selected template in that case would be the one L attached to the primary mail ..? Yes ... chosen wisely ;-). And if the main recipient has the wrong style of template, I choose one that has the right style, edit the body then change the recipient. (The 'edit the body' bit is important because while the body is unchanged, any change to the primary recipient reverts the body to the template I didn't want). L I use CC and also BCC, and don't often send out 'mass' mails, but L for some things I do .. and sometimes the templates wouldn't match L .. I send jokes to a list of friends. It's a long list, and they all go in the BCC. The main recipient is [EMAIL PROTECTED] ... snip L files) but I'm not sure I'd want to comb the AB (which is fairly L big), and build templates for a material percentage of it ... L It *might* be worth it, if the AB templates override the L template settings in the folder configs .. do they? Yes :-). -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.1 RC1 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgplBWxRoyCOc.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hallo Lynn, On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 07:47:34 -0700GMT (30-9-2004, 16:47 +0200, where I live), you wrote: L What happens if you send a mail to several addresses L having different templates, though ..? TB picks the template for the first recipient. -- Groetjes, Roelof That was then, this is now. The Bat! 3.0.1 RC1 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpoTzqm3qn39.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPAM and Message-IDs (was: Re: How to filter such a message?)
Hello Alexander, Thursday, September 30, 2004, 9:35:17 AM, you wrote: I think, therefore I cannot be a moderator A LOL! Whats that supposed to mean? :-) Probably something similar to some of my taglines! :grin: Moderator (n): See 'glutton for punishment'. Moderator (n): See also - God, tyrant, egotist, oppressor. Moderator dies: .MPG at eleven! Moderator Justification No.1: Because I'm the Moderator; that's why! Moderators: Keep them dry and don't feed them after midnight. Moderators are NOT Gods. Gods have mercy! Modiphobia - Fear of being nagged by a moderator. Scully, have you ever heard of a race called the Moderators? Support lesser lifeforms ... take a moderator to lunch. -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Tagline of the day: Statistics means never having to say you're certain. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hallo Lynn, On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 08:25:11 -0700GMT (30-9-2004, 17:25 +0200, where I live), you wrote: L It *might* be worth it, if the AB templates override the L template settings in the folder configs .. do they? This is the order of precedence: Personal AB templates AB group templates Folder templates Account templates Mind that AB templates have to be triggered before you start the typing of the text. If you start typing and then select an address, there's no way that TB will translate your text into the appropriate AB template. The other exception is a mass mailing, because when you're doing a mass mailing you select the template manually and that overrides any preferences you might have configured for the recipients.. -- Groetjes, Roelof Cannibals don't eat lawyers. Professional courtesy. The Bat! 3.0.1 RC1 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgp0ZpcKuTXTL.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPAM and Message-IDs (was: Re: How to filter such a message?)
Hallo Alexander, On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 17:35:17 +0200GMT (30-9-2004, 17:35 +0200, where I live), you wrote: I think, therefore I cannot be a moderator ASK LOL! Whats that supposed to mean? :-) Nothing important really. I've installed an old tagline file (from the days I was still active on chat echos in Fidonet) from over five years ago. And now my sins come back to haunt me. -- Groetjes, Roelof Every person gets to heaven in their own way. The Bat! 3.0.1 RC1 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpnmBb0xDAHM.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unicode support?
Hello Spam, On Thursday, September 30, 2004, at 16:51 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: S Will The Bat! support Unicode support? I am very pesimistic regarding unicode support. It was promised for years, but promises just left promises. -- Edvinas Using The Bat! 2.12.00 on Windows 2000 Service Pack 4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sometimes they are ISO 8859-1, sometimes they are US quote printable ASCII, sometimes they are 8 bit, sometimes they are 7 bit ! My mails sources : Sometimes they are 8 bit, sometimes they are 7 bit, Sometimes they are ISO 8859-1, sometimes they are US quote printable ASCII...
***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 30 Sep 2004, @ @ at 15:38:47 +0200, when Ludovic LE MOAL wrote: You guys could kill someone's system by this tapeworm as the subject line. (: (Killing me wormly...) Seriously. I heard that some mailers cannot manage such long subjects and that they are driven crazy. -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast [Earth LOG: 29 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hallo Thorvald, On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 16:56:35 +0200GMT (30-9-2004, 16:56 +0200, where I live), you wrote: TN I am using folder templates mainly for official standard and/or TN mailinglist communications (next to Account Templates). I do not see TN anything bad about that. I guess adding AB templates for each TN mailinglist member is a tedious task... ;) But you don't have to make individual AB templates, you can make AB group templates. Don't tell it any further, but that's what I'm doing for the TB lists, I threw them into the same AB group and created group templates. Works flawlessly, also before my moderating days when I was using different From: addresses for all lists. The From was taken from the folder identity and the template from the AB. That was also the reason that I never crossposted. TN And yes, I meant filters... because I sort mail automatically into TN the right folders... That's what I'm doing too, otherwise the identities don't work. -- Groetjes, Roelof Hollywood: A trip through a sewer in a glass bottom boat. The Bat! 3.0.1 RC1 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgpHo3KKWNTVr.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Try to find Alow local delivery
Gerard- Thursday, September 30, 2004, 4:12:29 AM, you wrote: G There is one, for me at least, compelling reason to have this as an G account setting. I use one of my accounts on my iPAQ. One of the things I G do is send a mail with a specific subject, that creates an autoreply. I do G this so I can see if TB! is still up and running. Obviously I do not want G to have it delivered locally, because then it would not reach my ISP mail G server were I would collect it with my iPAQ. This is about the only scenario I can think of where it might actually make sense to have local delivery controlled at an account level. Nonetheless, local delivery is, and should remain, a system-wide setting. About the best you might hope for is a macro to disable this for a single message. There's a simple way to ensure that your test messages go out to your ISP even with local delivery turned on: send the message to an address outside your local system and put your iPAQ address on the CC line. I do this all the time for testing. If you don't have an outside address to test with then set one up with one of the free webmail providers. -- -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unicode support?
Hello Spam, On Thursday, September 30, 2004, at 16:51 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: S Will The Bat! support Unicode support? I am very pesimistic regarding unicode support. It was promised for years, but promises just left promises. Why so? About all OS'es support Unicode. Windows has since NT 4.0. I use it virtually everywhere. Is it notepad or the Linux console or in my Instant Messaging programs and on all my websites. It work perfectly fine and I can mix Japanese, Latin and other languages without the need to specify additional code pages/conversion tables. As long as programs support Unicode there is no need for users to ever bother with code pages again. I do not agree with you at all that Unicode is just a empty promise. -- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Try to find Alow local delivery
ON Thursday, September 30, 2004, 6:27:26 PM, you wrote: MW This is about the only scenario I can think of where it might actually MW make sense to have local delivery controlled at an account level. Well thank you. MW Nonetheless, local delivery is, and should remain, a system-wide MW setting. About the best you might hope for is a macro to disable this MW for a single message. I could, in this specific situation, live with that as a solution. I could be a very elegant solution and even better then making it a Per account setting. MW There's a simple way to ensure that your test messages go out to your MW ISP even with local delivery turned on: send the message to an address MW outside your local system and put your iPAQ address on the CC line. Sounds like a work-around and I will give that a try. Thanks -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= It Is Time To Quit When... The ball retriever is the most often used piece of equipment in your bag. Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hæ! Thursday, September 30, 2004, 17:33, Marck D Pearlstone wrote: That's the 'danger zone'. I do not know why this should be *the* danger zone. What's bad is what happens when you try to write to someone off-list. I manually pick the address from the From: and insert it (I have always done this this way)... This works estonishingly well... ;) And the recipient should see my mailinglist sig. I never thought about an easier solution... Your folder template forces it right back onlist and there you are, facial egg neatly applied. Sorry, it is not the fault of the template but merely of the Reply-To which many mailinglists automatically generate (and that's good). And it has so far worked for me and will surely work in five years or more, too. Better still, put it in a group called lists and define a single group template for all them! That's a nice idea. I never thought on that, must be there are a lot of different topic lists which need it Well, that's /one/ way to do it... As you demonstrated, there is at least /one/ other way to do it... ;) And how do you sort your cursor into the right folder? Manually. If I want to read mails from one list, I click on the folder et voilà, the mails appear in the message pane. ;) -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ --- The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 PopFile v0.22.0 Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) --- Listening to: DeutschlandRadio Berlin Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unicode support?
Hæ! Thursday, September 30, 2004, 18:11, Edvinas Matiuðaitis wrote: I am very pesimistic regarding unicode support. It was promised for years, but promises just left promises. That's what I am waiting for, too. *bumpthetopicuptothetoponthefeaturelist* -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ --- The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 PopFile v0.22.0 Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) --- Listening to: DeutschlandRadio Berlin Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unicode support?
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 30 Sep 2004, @ @ at 19:11:50 +0300, when Edvinas Matiuaitis wrote: Hello Spam, On Thursday, September 30, 2004, at 16:51 Lithuanian Time, you wrote: S Will The Bat! support Unicode support? I am very pesimistic regarding unicode support. It was promised for years, but promises just left promises. Will be, will be... Willwillwill... We just have to be patient. Which is a Virtue. And then, someday at the Saint Never, we'll harvest the fruits of our ardent hope. [rest of the stage blacks out, and from the roof a shiny disklike object attracts attention of the many] A fossilly old man wearing fluorescent alga appears from the backstage deep blueness and murmurs: What is wo/man without a hope... - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast [Earth LOG: 29 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBXD3g9q62QPd3XuIRAqGlAKCMh2P+f2w8whemcfoRNiPg23SMVwCfTCfs r+WxL9Lnu4LgW3FW8qCDquQ= =vt7G -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unicode support?
Hæ! Please add your voice to the TB's bugtraq wishlist. Here is the wish for Unicode: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=234 -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ --- The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 PopFile v0.22.0 Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) --- Listening to: DeutschlandRadio Berlin Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Sometimes they are ISO 8859-1...
==Original message text=== From: Mica Mijatovic To: Ludovic LE MOAL Date: Thursday, September 30, 2004, 4:26:43 PM Subject: Sometimes they are ISO 8859-1, sometimes they are US quote printable ASCII, sometimes they are 8 bit, sometimes they are 7 bit ! My mails sources : Sometimes they are 8 bit, sometimes they are 7 bit, Sometimes they are ISO 8859-1, sometimes they are US quote printable ASCII... MM***^\ ._)~~ MM ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 30 Sep 2004, MM@ @ at 15:38:47 +0200, when Ludovic LE MOAL wrote: MM You guys could kill someone's system by this tapeworm as the subject MM line. (: MM (Killing me wormly...) MM Seriously. I heard that some mailers cannot manage such long subjects MM and that they are driven crazy. ===End of original message text=== Sorry ! I didn't know. I never do it again ! :-) -- WilWilWil TB 3.0 Windows XP Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unicode support? aka Eying Infinity
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 ***^\ ._)~~ ~( __ _o Was another beautiful day, Thu, 30 Sep 2004, @ @ at 18:37:40 +0200, when Spam wrote to Edvinas: I do not agree with you at all that Unicode is just a empty promise. You just didn't wait enough. Watering your hope by the tears of yours. Or how the Artist would say: There's an unceasing wind that blows through this night And there's dust in my eyes, that blinds my sight And silence that speaks so much louder than words, Of promises broken -- Pink Floyd, Momentary Lapse of Reason Of promises broken... Of promises broken... Of promises broken... thud [Old Man decomposes; two garbage men wearing shovels approach from the left; lights fade-out; a female scream from the gallery] - -- Mica PGP key uploaded at: http://pgp.mit.edu/ once just before breakfast [Earth LOG: 29 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing] -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- iD8DBQFBXEaw9q62QPd3XuIRAqe2AKCCOlH8zJijs4K/gsSs7bK6jbQAPgCeOo1Y se3qH12GMDaFF0+r8Hvb0mw= =IOcr -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unicode support?
Hello Spam, You got a name? On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:37:40 +0200 GMT (30/09/2004, 23:37 +0700 GMT), Spam wrote: S I do not agree with you at all that Unicode is just a empty promise. IMHO Unicode is the future. What Edvinas meant is that *Unicode in TB* has been promised for a long time and still isn't there. -- Cheers, Thomas. Was ist das Problem der heutigen Gesellschaft - mangelndes Wissen oder mangelndes Interesse? - Weiss ich nicht, ist mir auch egal. Message reply created with The Bat! 2.12.02 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Try to find Alow local delivery
Hello Chris, Wednesday, September 29, 2004, 8:41:33 PM, you wrote: I have multiple accounts, and multiple users on this PC ( me and wife). I copy her to many emails ( and vice versa) and CC myself to emails. those go faster when you allow local delivery. that means it doesn't leave the computer, just goes from one account right to the other. Why send a message outside to a server somewhere, when it belongs right here. C I've never had to do that because we have an internal mail server at C home. Sounds interesting, though. I use Mercury32 as my SMTP server for MOST accounts, but I have 1 special account where I use my ISPs SMTP server to send mail to those ISP servers that won't let a local server send mail, like AOL... -- Best regards, Paul Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Tool tips in Message pane
Hi TBUDL, I should know the answer to this: How do I turn the tool tips off? -- Neal Laugman Using The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 and BayesIt! 0.6.10 on Win2000 SP4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tool tips in Message pane
Hæ! Thursday, September 30, 2004, 21:15, Neal Laugman wrote: I should know the answer to this: How do I turn the tool tips off? What tool tips in the *message pane*? -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ --- The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 PopFile v0.22.0 Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) --- Listening to: Fettes Brot - Jein Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Tool tips in Message pane
Thursday, September 30, 2004, 21:15, Neal Laugman wrote: I should know the answer to this: How do I turn the tool tips off? What tool tips in the *message pane*? When the mouse pointer is over unread messages, one gets a yellow tool window with total, read, and unread message counts. It is bothersome to me and kind of flakey, so I wwould like to get rid of them. -- Neal Laugman Using The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 and BayesIt! 0.6.10 on Win2000 SP4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mail aliases
Thursday, September 30, 2004, 8:33:36 AM, you wrote: MDP Why would you do that? MDP You send messages *to* the list address. Add the list MDP address! Better still, put it in a group called MDP lists and define a single group template for all MDP them! Won't work for me .. I don't know what Thorvald does, but my sig file is different on all my lists .. you guys here aren't interested in my sewing set up, and the fish people don't care which version of Win I'm using, much less the version of TB ;-) I do generally use the same sig file for personal correspondence from a particular list, but I also occasionally use different accounts for personal correspondence. I think, though, that I might set up a few AB filters and see how it goes ... if they override the folder filters, that should be OK at least in some cases. If it generalizes pretty well, I'll gradually shift it all over. No way can I do it all at once, though ... it would take hours. -- Lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net TBv.3.0.1 RC1 NT5 SP4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unicode support?
Hello Spam, You got a name? On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:37:40 +0200 GMT (30/09/2004, 23:37 +0700 GMT), Spam wrote: S I do not agree with you at all that Unicode is just a empty promise. IMHO Unicode is the future. What Edvinas meant is that *Unicode in TB* has been promised for a long time and still isn't there. Ah. I understand. Sorry for my mistake. ´ -- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: SPAM and Message-IDs (was: Re: How to filter such a message?)
Thursday, September 30, 2004, 8:52:56 AM, you wrote: LG Probably something similar to some of my taglines! :grin: LG Moderator (n): See 'glutton for punishment'. LG Moderator (n): See also - God, tyrant, egotist, LG oppressor. LG Moderator dies: .MPG at eleven! LG Moderator Justification No.1: Because I'm the LG Moderator; that's why! LG Moderators: Keep them dry and don't feed them after LG midnight. LG Moderators are NOT Gods. Gods have mercy! LG Modiphobia - Fear of being nagged by a moderator. LG Scully, have you ever heard of a race called the LG Moderators? LG Support lesser lifeforms ... take a moderator to lunch. Oooh! Super taglines! Can I use them for t-shirts lol! -- Lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net TBv.3.0.1 RC1 NT5 SP4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mail aliases
Thursday, September 30, 2004, 10:08:21 AM, you wrote: TN I manually pick the address from the From: and insert TN it (I have TN always done this this way)... This works estonishingly TN well... ;) And TN the recipient should see my mailinglist sig. TN I never thought about an easier solution... This is the way I do it too .. Your folder template forces it right back onlist and there you are, facial egg neatly applied. I think this did happen to me once; made me more cautious :-) TN Sorry, it is not the fault of the template but TN merely of the Reply-To which many mailinglists TN automatically generate (and that's good). I agree. TN And it has so far worked for me and will surely work TN in five years or more, too. Well, that was what I was thinking; I rarely open the ab to send a mail, but it's learning new things that keeps us young, right? lol! It's worth a shot ... -- Lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net TBv.3.0.1 RC1 NT5 SP4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tool tips in Message pane
Neal Laugman @ 2004-Sep-30 3:35:44 PM Tool tips in Message pane mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] When the mouse pointer is over unread messages, one gets a yellow tool window with total, read, and unread message counts. It is bothersome to me and kind of flakey, so I wwould like to get rid of them. They must be a beta thing because I don't notice any. -- Chris Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma. Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Today's Oxymoron: Now, then ... Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mail aliases
Thursday, September 30, 2004, 8:44:54 AM, you wrote: L It *might* be worth it, if the AB L templates override the L template settings in the folder configs .. L do they? MDP Yes :-). OK, then I can dink around with impunity, and figure out the best way to work this out :-) Thanks! -- Lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net TBv.3.0.1 RC1 NT5 SP4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mail aliases
Thursday, September 30, 2004, 8:49:11 AM, you wrote: RO TB picks the template for the first recipient. Mmm. So the first recipient needs to be a 'neutral' one, not, say, my husband, whose template is *not* neutral :-) But Mark's idea is probably the best one in the case of the long list of bcc recipients; just make the primary recipient yourself. And make sure your own template is neutral. It will take a little while to see if this works, but as so many of you are so committed to the idea that it's best, I'll give it another shot. I tried it briefly in an earlier release, and didn't like it for some reason I now can't recall. I'll get right on it :-) -- Lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net TBv.3.0.1 RC1 NT5 SP4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mail aliases
Thursday, September 30, 2004, 8:55:18 AM, you wrote: RO This is the order of precedence: RO Personal AB templates RO AB group templates RO Folder templates RO Account templates Thank you! That clarifies it somewhat .. RO Mind that AB templates have to be triggered before you RO start the typing of the text. If you start typing and RO then select an address, there's no way that TB will RO translate your text into the appropriate AB template. RO The other exception is a mass mailing, because when RO you're doing a mass mailing you select the template RO manually and that overrides any preferences you might RO have configured for the recipients.. So in a situation where I have a bunch of people filed under a group, if there are no personal templates specified for those people, the group template would be invoked if I initialized a mail to an individual ..? I don't always mail *everybody* in a particular group at the same time - I'll mess around with it. It's a help to have a precedence list. Thanks! -- Lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net TBv.3.0.1 RC1 NT5 SP4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tool tips in Message pane
Hæ! Thursday, September 30, 2004, 21:35, Neal Laugman wrote: When the mouse pointer is over unread messages, one gets a yellow tool window with total, read, and unread message counts. In the message pane? My setup: | || | Fol | Message Pane? | | der || | || | | Mail window| | || I do not get a tooltip nor do I remember I ever saw it appear. :( -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ --- The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 PopFile v0.22.0 Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) --- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hæ! Thursday, September 30, 2004, 21:47, Lynn wrote: Won't work for me .. I don't know what Thorvald does, but my sig file is different on all my lists ... As are my sigs (only TB-Lists share the same, which I cp'ed to the different folder templates). -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ --- The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 PopFile v0.22.0 Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) --- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Dear Lynn, @30-Sep-2004, 12:47 -0700 (30-Sep 20:47 UK time) Lynn [L] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck: MDP You send messages *to* the list address. Add the list address! MDP Better still, put it in a group called lists and define a MDP single group template for all them! L Won't work for me .. I don't know what Thorvald does, but my sig L file is different on all my lists .. you guys here aren't L interested in my sewing set up, and the fish people don't care L which version of Win I'm using, much less the version of TB ;-) I do this by putting each of these subscripts into Quick Templates. I then put the name of the QT containing the list specific suffix in the AB entry for each, in the phone number field. My signature then looks like this: %if:%ABtoPhone:%qinclude(%ABtoPhone)%- %qinclude(vsig) That means a single template works for all lists and the lists that need extras, get them. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v3.0.1 RC1 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 2 ' pgpar8GX4Fkeo.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SPAM and Message-IDs (was: Re: How to filter such a message?)
Hello Lynn, Thursday, September 30, 2004, 2:05:56 PM, you wrote: L Oooh! Super taglines! Can I use them for t-shirts lol! Here's the thing about taglines. *All* taglines are stolen. and another from my tagline collection... *All* generalizations are false. :grin: Of course you could always check out my site for *TONS* of taglines at: http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/taglines/taglines.htm -- __ TBUDL/BETA/DEV/TECH Lists Moderator / PGP 0x6C0AB16B ( ) ( ___)(_ _)( ___) TBUDP Wiki Site: http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/tbudp )(__ )__) _)(_ )__) Roguemoticons: http://PCWize.com/thebat ()()()(__)PCWSmileys: http://PCWize.com/thebat/pcwsmileys.php Tagline of the day: Of all the people I've met you're certainly one of them. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
On Thursday, September 30, 2004, 4:29:56 PM, Alexander S. Kunz wrote: OK. But nevertheless, the way TB! handles alias addresses could be improved IMHO. There should be an easier way to pick alias addresses (if you have many and switch them often) other than selecting a folder that has the correct identity (which sounds like a workaround to me). Try Options|Active Account in the message editor window, or right click on the account name shown in the status bar at the bottom of the message editor window. If you change the account before you enter any text into the body of the message, it will apply the new default account template/sig. Julian -- Using The Bat! v3.0 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Tool tips in Message pane
Hello Chris, On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] C They must be a beta thing because I don't notice any. Not here at all. -- Regards, Richard | Using The Bat! 3.0.1 RC1 SpamPal | Windows XP (build 2600), version 5. 1 Service Pack 2 | and the best browser: Opera 7.60 build 7141 PGP public key: http://pgpkeys.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=getsearch=0xCA93B5BE pgprWzfxhUdQ2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tool tips in Message pane
Hello Neal, When the mouse pointer is over unread messages, one gets a yellow tool window with total, read, and unread message counts. It is bothersome to me and kind of flakey, so I wwould like to get rid of them. Tooltips _only_ appear when your are _not_ viewing all messages in a folder. For example if you are viewing only Unread messages, or messages on a specific date, or flagged/unflagged, or from/to and specific address, etc. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.1 RC2 Winamp Playing: Chris Webster - Since I Fell For You (Smoothjazz.Com - The worlds best Smooth Jazz - Live From Monterey Bay) Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tool tips in Message pane
Hello Thorvald, I do not get a tooltip nor do I remember I ever saw it appear. :( Go to View/Display and select one of the Only... options. Then, move your mouse from what you call Message window (Message pane) to what you call Message Pane (Message List Pane). -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.1 RC2 Winamp Playing: Eliane Elias - Movin' Me On (Smoothjazz.Com - The worlds best Smooth Jazz - Live From Monterey Bay) Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tool tips in Message pane
Hello Chris, They must be a beta thing because I don't notice any. No, tooltips have been there for ever, as far as I can recall. See my replies to Neal and Thorval. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v3.0.1 RC2 Winamp Playing: Brian Culbertson f. Norman Brown - Come On Up (Smoothjazz.Com - The worlds best Smooth Jazz - Live From Monterey Bay) Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Tool tips in Message pane
Hi MAU Tooltips _only_ appear when your are _not_ viewing all messages in a folder. For example if you are viewing only Unread messages, or messages on a specific date, or flagged/unflagged, or from/to and specific address, etc. Yes - its true - didn't realize they disappeared in the view all mode. Still would like to get rid of the little bugger, but thanks for pointing this out. Keep smilin' -- Neal Laugman Using The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 and BayesIt! 0.6.10 on Win2000 SP4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Tool tips in Message pane
Thursday, September 30, 2004, 2:49:18 PM, you wrote: RW Not here at all. Probably not a beta; I've been running the betas and I've never seen them either ... -- Lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net TBv.3.0.1 RC1 NT5 SP4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Re[2]: SPAM and Message-IDs (was: Re: How to filter such a message?)
Thursday, September 30, 2004, 2:34:35 PM, you wrote: LG Thursday, September 30, 2004, 2:05:56 PM, you wrote: L Oooh! Super taglines! Can I use them for L t-shirts lol! LG Here's the thing about taglines. *All* taglines are LG stolen. LG and another from my tagline collection... LG *All* generalizations are false. :grin: Oooo-Kay ..:-) LG Of course you could always check out my site for *TONS* LG of taglines LG at: LG http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/taglines/taglines.htm Thanks .. I'm not sure I need to know that, but what the hay .. a few more megs won't make much difference! Am writing off list, as I figure this thread is pretty near to 'dead horse' status :-) Cheers! -- Lynn [EMAIL PROTECTED]* * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net TBv.3.0.1 RC1 NT5 SP4 Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Unicode support?
Howdy Mica, Thursday, September 30, 2004, 6:09:53 PM, Mica wrotened: S Will The Bat! support Unicode support? I am very pesimistic regarding unicode support. It was promised for years, but promises just left promises. Mica Will be, will be... Willwillwill... We just have to be patient. Which is Mica a Virtue. Mica And then, someday at the Saint Never, we'll harvest the fruits of our Mica ardent hope. Mica [rest of the stage blacks out, and from the roof a shiny disklike object Mica attracts attention of the many] Mica A fossilly old man wearing fluorescent alga appears from the backstage Mica deep blueness and murmurs: What is wo/man without a hope... I am sensing unhappiness from Mica's end -- Have Fun, | | |en is |\ohop [EMAIL PROTECTED] crashing The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 falling out of mid air with Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Intel(R) Pentium(R) M processor 1.70GHz 598 MHz 1.00GB RAM The voices may not be real, but they have some pretty good ideas. Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to set font ?
Spam, [S] wrote: Bitstream Vera Sans is a free font included in many Linux distributions. Just tried it and it's not looking too good in Windows here. Bitstream Vera Sans Mono looks a lot better. At least the version of it that I had already obtained elsewhere (I can't remember where). -- -= Allie =- . Immortality is my short-term goal. ___ IMAP Client: The Bat! v3.0.1 RC2 | SquirrelMail WebMail IMAP Server: Mdaemon Pro | OS: Windows XP Pro (Service Pack 1) Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unicode support?
On Fri, 1 Oct 2004 00:55:41 +0700, Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, 30 Sep 2004 18:37:40 +0200 GMT (30/09/2004, 23:37 +0700 GMT), Spam wrote: S I do not agree with you at all that Unicode is just a empty promise. IMHO Unicode is the future. What Edvinas meant is that *Unicode in TB* has been promised for a long time and still isn't there. So, I send 2 or 3 emails to information request from TheBat's menu, and I get no response. I publicly ask about the lack of responses, and then I get something. Go figure... About unicode, the response is: On Tuesday, September 7th, 2004, at 08:47:55 GMT +09:00 (IRKST) (at the same time it was 07/09/2004, 02:47:55 my local time), you wrote (at least in part): W Specifically, will there be support for unicode in version 3? It will be added as soon as possible. WL -- . Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Registration
My system unit is in the shop getting the power supply replaced. In the meantime I've downloaded a copy of TB! to a backup system. Its running in evaluation mode right now and I've received the email which had been waiting on my mail server. I don't know how long my system unit will be in the shop so I would like to register this copy of TB! in the meantime. My registration information is, unfortunately on the system unit and unavailable. I checked the RitLabs site and it says I should o Find your registration in our base o Be sure, that requestor of key data is real owner of registration key I'm not sure where the base is. Where do I find it? -- Best regards, Lawrence Johnson mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Tool tips in Message pane
Hæ! Friday, October 1, 2004, 01:16, MAU wrote: Go to View/Display and select one of the Only... options. Then, move your mouse from what you call Message window (Message pane) to what you call Message Pane (Message List Pane). Confirmed now. I never needed the view only-options in the last five years, so I did not notice there are tooltips... -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ --- The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 PopFile v0.22.0 Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) --- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Mail aliases
Hæ! Thursday, September 30, 2004, 22:14, Lynn wrote: TN I manually pick the address from the From: and insert it (I TN have always done this this way)... This works estonishingly TN well... ;) And the recipient should see my mailinglist sig. TN TN I never thought about an easier solution... This is the way I do it too .. Another way is to use Reply all and manually delete the list address from the CC. The To: will get the orginal sender's address. Well, that was what I was thinking; I rarely open the ab to send a mail, but it's learning new things that keeps us young, right? lol! Even after years with TB, you can discover new functions every day. :) -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ --- The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 PopFile v0.22.0 Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) --- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Unicode support?
Hæ! Friday, October 1, 2004, 05:23, WL wrote: It will be added as soon as possible. That's what they told me when 1.xx was around... ;) -- Kveðja! Thorvald Neumann | http://www.aesir.de/ --- The Bat! v3.0.1 RC1 PopFile v0.22.0 Windows 2000 SP4 (v5.0.2195) --- Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
