Folders deleted still exist
I've been reorganizing my mail folders. I am curious why folders and sometimes mail files (.TBI and .TBI) still exist after they are deleted from TB!. The folders no longer display from within TB! but they are nonetheless physically present. I am having many problems backing up my mail using Aid4Mail. I don't know if these residual folders and mail files are the cause of the Aid4Mail problems, but I am unable to account for the differences between the TB! folder display and the folders on the physical disk. I should add that these residual folders and files still exist after exitting the TB! with a compress. I am running TB! Professional Edition 3.99.3 -- Best regards, Lawrencemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Folders deleted still exist
Hallo Lawrence, On Mon, 30 Jul 2007 03:08:39 -0500GMT (30-7-2007, 10:08 +0200, where I live), you wrote: LJ I've been reorganizing my mail folders. I am curious why folders and LJ sometimes mail files (.TBI and .TBI) still exist after they are LJ deleted from TB!. The folders no longer display from within TB! but LJ they are nonetheless physically present. I am having many problems LJ backing up my mail using Aid4Mail. I don't know if these residual LJ folders and mail files are the cause of the Aid4Mail problems, but I LJ am unable to account for the differences between the TB! folder display LJ and the folders on the physical disk. I should add that these LJ residual folders and files still exist after exitting the TB! with a LJ compress. I am running TB! Professional Edition 3.99.3 When deleting folders you can choose for the option to leave the message base files intact. That means that the matching directory won't be deleted. You can do that manually. Compressing won't do anything for these folders, after all you told TB yourself that the folders should be delteted from TB's message base. I don't know Aid4Mail, so I can't say anything sensible about problems with Aid4Mail an TB. Especially as you talk about 'many problems' and not something specific. -- Groetjes, Roelof WinErr 004: Erroneous error - nothing is wrong http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 3.99.8 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 2 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpozLevyK6aX.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: folders disappeared
I just checked the folders that are listed in the computer's disk directory but not in The Bat. Some of them are empty. (Some of the folders were too but I dont remember which ones.) Some have files in them called MESSAGES.TBB and MESSAGES.TBI -- Best regards, Brenda Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: folders disappeared
Hi Brenda, on Mon, 30 Jul 2007 11:04:14 -0700GMT (30.07.2007, 20:04 +0200GMT here), you wrote: B I just checked the folders that are listed in the computer's disk B directory but not in The Bat. B Some of them are empty. (Some of the folders were too but I dont B remember which ones.) Some have files in them called B MESSAGES.TBB B and B MESSAGES.TBI These are The Bat!'s message files. TBB contains the contents and TBI contains further information. To recreate these folders - provided they're not corrupted - create one or more new folders in The Bat!. Remember their names and close The Bat!. Go to The Bat!'s mail files in your file manager and open one of your newly created folders. Overwrite the existing TBB and TBI files with the ones you found. Start The Bat! and see what is in your new folders. -- Cheers Peter If they don't want us to drink and drive, why do you have to have a driver's license to buy beer? Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Where do people put their Mail Folder?
Hi I'm moving TheBat! to a new computer with Vista, and it's offering me a choice of where to put my Mail folder. I'll be the only one using it. I opted for C:\Program Files\The Bat\Mail, but Vista has told me access denied. I know there's got to be a way around that but where do people keep their folder and why? Thanks Doug Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where do people put their Mail Folder?
On Mon, July 30, 2007 19:55, Doug Weller wrote: Hi I'm moving TheBat! to a new computer with Vista, and it's offering me a choice of where to put my Mail folder. I'll be the only one using it. I opted for C:\Program Files\The Bat\Mail, but Vista has told me access denied. I know there's got to be a way Ah, and although I found a discussion of how to do this, I didn't understand it after all. I'm not clear whether I will have similar problems if I use the Default application folder. I have a backup of my whole mail folder I want to install, if that is relevant, and I intend to do backups in the future of the mail folder not using the built in archive mechanism. I want this to be easy. Thanks again. -- Doug Weller Director/Moderator The Hall of Ma'at http://www.hallofmaat.com/ Doug's Skeptical Archaeology site: http://www.ramtops.co.uk Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Minimize button on Vista
Fredrik Bergström @ 2007-7-25 3:30:41 PM Minimize button on Vista mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I have however noticed a small annoyance, when I'm using Aero and click the window minimize button at the top right I get the Menu Navigator instead. I have to click at the right side of the button to be able to minimize the window. Is there anyone that can confirm this? Cannot confirm when running non-accelerated Aero-eqsue interface. I'd suggest turning off the MenuNavigation (Options - Preferences - General - Display MenuNavigator...). -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.99.3 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6000. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Outside a Muffler Shop: No appointment necessary. We hear you coming. pgpbkUeJLUZut.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where do people put their Mail Folder?
Doug Weller @ 2007-7-30 2:55:26 PM Where do people put their Mail Folder? mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I'm moving TheBat! to a new computer with Vista, and it's offering me a choice of where to put my Mail folder. I'll be the only one using it. I opted for C:\Program Files\The Bat\Mail, but Vista has told me access denied. That right. It's a good thing too. I know there's got to be a way around that but where do people keep their folder and why? I keep it in the default location, which is %APPDATA%\The Bat!. This ties The Bat! to my Windows logon (which, for my multi-user computer is a good thing). It also is within a folder hierarchy (C:\Users\my username) that my account has unfettered access to. -- Chris Using The Bat! v3.99.3 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6000. Accessing a POP3 mailbox. Horse sense is the thing a horse has which keeps it from betting on people. -W. C. Fields pgpOzSP4MKJYi.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: folders disappeared
Hello Peter and all, Monday, July 30, 2007, 11:51:37 AM, you wrote: Overwrite the existing TBB and TBI files with the ones you found. Start The Bat! and see what is in your new folders. Ok I will try that. But does anyone know why the Bat might have done it in the first place? Because maybe someday it will happen again and I won't realize it has happened until it is too late to save the messages. I have not been using the bat for very long so it was really obvious when the folders went missing. But that might not be the case next time. If it is something I did, then I want to make sure not to do it again. if it is a bug, then it is a very serious one and needs to be looked into before it happens to other people. In case it matters, I am storing my mail in My Documents in a folder for the bat. -- Best regards, Brenda Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: folders disappeared
Hi Brenda, on Mon, 30 Jul 2007 12:26:54 -0700GMT (30.07.2007, 21:26 +0200GMT here), you wrote: Overwrite the existing TBB and TBI files with the ones you found. Start The Bat! and see what is in your new folders. B Ok I will try that. B But does anyone know why the Bat might have done it in the first place? I don't, but s*** happens... hmm B Because maybe someday it will happen again and I won't realize it B has happened until it is too late to save the messages. I have not B been using the bat for very long so it was really obvious when the B folders went missing. But that might not be the case next time. True. That's why it is strongly recommended to back up The Bat! (and every other stuff you deem important) regularly. B If it is something I did, then I want to make sure not to do it again. I don't think so. But who knows? ;-) B if it is a bug, then it is a very serious one and needs to be B looked into before it happens to other people. Data corruption occurs every now and then. That's why back ups are useful, not only for The Bat!. B In case it matters, I am storing my mail in My Documents in a folder for the bat. It doesn't, as long as there is enough disc space. -- Cheers Peter When I was a kid, I used to pray every night for a new bicycle. Then I realized that the Lord, in his wisdom, didn't work that way. So I stole one and asked him to forgive me. Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: folders disappeared
This key combo solved my problem with deleted folders still being physically present. I was able to recover some lost folders containing a few messages. Once I cleared out the messsages and deleted the folder, they were physically removed as well. Try the undocumented key combo ctrl+alt+shift+L while the focus is on the folder pane. It is supposed to reveal lost folders. Now I can go on to test Aid4Mail and see if its problems have gone away. -- Best regards, Lawrencemailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: folders disappeared
Ok I will try that. OK this below was written before Peter's last response to the list but I hadn't sent it yet. First I tried the way you said with one folder. It worked! (I made a new place in the directory tree just in case.) I should mention... if you make a new empty folder, it doesn't have those 2 files in it. I just copied the 2 files from the copies that were in the original subfolders.. I didn't have to delete files in the newly created subfolders as far as I can remember.) (Needless to say, I have a backup of the folders that are messed up. I also have the bat set to do backups. I could just be restoring most of the stuff from backups.) Then I got more daring and decided to try just putting the subfolder names back into the bat without doing any copying of files. At first this seemed to work. It asks if you want to make a directory when there is already a directory. I said ok. Then when I got to the 7th and 8th subfolders, nothing showed up even though there should have been stuff in the folders because there were those 2 files in the original folders. I thought well maybe it is because those mails had been deleted or moved, and the folder wasn't compressed. but I tried to do it again. I forget if I did it the way you said or the way I was trying to do it. Anyway this time the 8th folder came back but the 7th folder did not. So that would seem to say it was not because the mails were moved or deleted. Otherwise the 8th folder wouldn't have come back on the 2nd try either. I went through all the folders and got them all back except the 7th folder mentioned above. I have tried a few times to get it back and it won't come back. (Well as far as I know i got them all back... because I have to go by memory.) I do not know if there are any missing emails in those folders. Just that each folder got mail put back in it when I recreated it in the Bat's folder pane. I don't know if there is any problem yet like mails with the wrong subject or duplicate copies etc. I was just glad to get them back. I am not really sure yet how to read the files in the folders because they have garbage or code type characters in them. (to see if there should be files in the 7th folder or not) Should i be reporting this problem of all subfolders going missing as a bug somewhere? I am now afraid to manually move directories in the bat because after I did that was when I lost these folders. -- Best regards, Brenda Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: folders disappeared
Hello Peter, Monday, July 30, 2007, 12:52:00 PM, you wrote: True. That's why it is strongly recommended to back up The Bat! (and every other stuff you deem important) regularly. I agree about making regular backups. I thought I had the bat set up to do backups every 4 days or something like that, but I can't find where to set automatic backups now. When I tried to go into Tools/Restore, nothing was listed. Data corruption occurs every now and then. That's why back ups are useful, not only for The Bat!. Well I agree that every program can possibly lose data and that backups should be made. But it still needs to be looked into by the developers if users are losing folders. Do the developers read this list? It doesn't, as long as there is enough disc space. I have over 60 gig free. -- Best regards, Brenda Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
