moving mail account from one user acct to another user acct
Hi, everyone, How does one move a mail account from one user to another? Here are the details: Let's say there are two users, A and B, on a computer, each with their own Windows account. Each has administrator privileges and can access the other account. User B has always had The Bat! running and has, say, five different mail accounts within The Bat! User A had always used The Bat! by logging in to user B. However, one week ago, a sixth, separate mail account was created for user A within User A's Windows account in a copy of The Bat! that was created within A Windows account. Only that one mail account appears within that running of The Bat! All other mail accounts, but not the newly created account for User A appear within the instance of The Bat! that runs within B's Windows account. After one week, user A decided that she would prefer to have her separate mail account as part of the list found on The Bat! running within B's Window account and no longer wishes to have that separate mail account running in The Bat! within her own Window's account. What is the best way to move that account? Can I move it from within Windows Explorer from one copy of The Bat! to another? Is there a more elegant way? If trying to do this would create more problems, such as conflict errors, etc., I can just delete the account from The Bat! running in A's Window account and re-create it in The Bat! running within B's user account since there is only one mail message that would be lost, and the message is not critical. However, I would like to know if there is a more elegant method for future reference, as well. Also, it would keep me from having to reset all of the account properties if I could do it more elegantly. Thanks. -- Avram Sacks The Bat Home Edition ver. 4.0.18 on Windows XP Pro, SP2. Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: One time encryption
Hello Jack, This is what you said on Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:23:31 -0500 your time: Is there an easy way to encrypt the info so it can't be read if it's intercepted in transit and yet *can* be read by the recipient? Mostly, any secure system would require that the receiving part had a key/password to unlock the information that you send them. There are many ways to do this: Send a password protected WinRAR archive (or zip) and either phone them and let them know the password or send them the password/unlock code in a separate email. Send them a password protected PDF file. Lots of software available for free for that. There is Steganos LockNote (free) which fits this role perfectly. Although you'll have to rar or zip the bare exe file as it may not get delivered. PGP / GnuPG, but that is dependent on the recipient already being familiar with this form of encryption. Anyhow, there are many ways, not just those above, but the requirement will always be that the recipient has the password to unlock the information you send them. Of course sending the password or unlock code by email is insecure as well, but I would definitely prefer to do that than send my details in an insecure email...and it's just not good practice to do that IMO. Or am I worrying about nothing? Certainly not. I think it is completely sensible to think about these things and find solutions for them. -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #27836. Woe Wig End Rhos? ¶ TB! 4.0.34 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: One time encryption
Hello Jack, On Monday, September 15, 2008, you wrote: JSL I need to send credit card info to a vendor in payment for a part yet JSL to be shipped. Is there an easy way to encrypt the info so it can't be JSL read if it's intercepted in transit and yet *can* be read by the JSL recipient? Or am I worrying about nothing? Some people, myself included, think that the anonymity offered by the sheer scale of the Internet outweighs the risk of identifying your message as interesting by including an easy to spot encryption header or similar. Some people allege that governments only filter encrypted traffic, on the assumption that that's how terrorists are communicating. On that subject, I don't think that the government needs to snoop my e-mail to get my CC details, or anything else for that matter... Once you turn over this stone, however, it's not long before you're employing steganography and by the end of the week you'll be sleeping under the bed with a gun! Oh no, now you've got me started. Sorry. -- Nick | [EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: One time encryption
On Monday, September 15, 2008, 22:23:31, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: I need to send credit card info to a vendor in payment for a part yet to be shipped. Is there an easy way to encrypt the info so it can't be read if it's intercepted in transit and yet *can* be read by the recipient? Or am I worrying about nothing? The safest way is to use a secure web form, if the vendor offers it (and if they do, it's likely that the info you send them in any other way will end up being entered to that webform by an employee anyway, so you just increase the risk of the data being intercepted in-flight by using other means of communication). Before entering the data, ensure that the address starts with https, and that there's a lock symbol near the titlebar (or in status bar, depending on your browser). https and the lock icon signify that the connection is encrypted, and that nobody will be able to read the data, even if it's intercepted. Note that listening in on phone conversations (and fax communications) is much easier than intercepting even unencrypted communication over the internet. -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ The solution to a problem changes the problem. -- Peer's Law Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: One time encryption
On Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 13:19:26, Gunivortus Goos wrote: Note that listening in on phone conversations (and fax communications) is much easier than intercepting even unencrypted communication over the internet. Except for Skype's IP-phonecalls, I experienced, they're obviously encrypted. I was referring to POTS (plain old telephone service), not IP telephony (which is about as hard to tap into as other internet communications; note that Skype's encryption isn't to be trusted). -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ The grass is brown on both sides of the fence. -- Ed Yourdonradar's Fundamental Truth Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: One time encryption
Hi Jernej Simončič, Note that listening in on phone conversations (and fax communications) is much easier than intercepting even unencrypted communication over the internet. Except for Skype's IP-phonecalls, I experienced, they're obviously encrypted. And in a strange turn of events, the cat was electrocuted. -- Regards, Gunivortus Using The Bat Vs. 4.0.34.4 under Vista Ultimate 32 bit Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: One time encryption
Hello Gene, On Mon, 15 Sep 2008 20:53:21 -0400 GMT (16/09/2008, 07:53 +0700 GMT), Gene Brown wrote: Or am I worrying about nothing? GB Maybe I've naive, but I've never had a problem with doing this. If GB you send your credit card number to the vendor, what happens to it GB after that? How does the vendor secure it? I agree with you on this. The main problem is how the vendor stores the information. Even banks got hacked, or their customer details copied on CD for sale. GB When I use a credit card in a restaurant, I give it to the waiter GB and he disappears for several minutes. Does he have a buddy back in GB the kitchen who collects these numbers for resale? I don't know, but GB I don't worry about it. Neither do I. In the past, I had billings on my credit card that weren't from me: 1.) In a hotel. I asked the CC company to forward me a copy of the sales slip with my signature. Once they realised they couldn't provide it, they credited the amount to me and blacklisted the vendor. (Visa) 2.) By internet. Somebody had used my CC details to subscribe to a porn website. My number had obviously been burnt, i.e. circulated to people who practice fraud. The amount was credited back to me, and I was offered a new CC number. BTW they can actually check the IP address from which the CC payment instruction originated, so I think somebody got in trouble. (Amex) GB Is the internet really any riskier than how I use the card every GB day? On the other hand, I do second Jernej's suggestion to give your credit card number only over a secured website, if offered. This prevents the trouble of complaining and rejecting a charge, which is a bit of paperwork. On second thought, there still remains the question of how secure the vendor stores the information. Remember that credit card companies still have to prove that it was you who bought the goods or services. This means they cannot charge your card out of whim. If they didn't care, they would loose customers quickly. But then, laws and practices in different countries differ. Back to the original question, I don't think the average vendor will go through the procedures of a one-time encryption. If they don't have a secure website and thus aren't security-conscious, submit your CC details by phone and worry about how they store the information. I'm now off to book a rental car for my upcoming trip to Europe, using my credit card on their website... -- Cheers, Thomas. When a clock is hungry, it goes back four seconds. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.0.28.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: moving mail account from one user acct to another user acct
Hallo Avram, On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 02:28:01 -0500GMT (16-9-2008, 9:28 +0200, where I live), you wrote: A Let's say there are two users, A and B, on a computer, each with A their own Windows account. Each has administrator privileges and A can access the other account. User B has always had The Bat! A running and has, say, five different mail accounts within The Bat! A User A had always used The Bat! by logging in to user B. However, A one week ago, a sixth, separate mail account was created for user A A within User A's Windows account in a copy of The Bat! that A was created within A Windows account. Only that one mail account A appears within that running of The Bat! All other mail accounts, A but not the newly created account for User A appear within the A instance of The Bat! that runs within B's Windows account. After A one week, user A decided that she would prefer to have her separate A mail account as part of the list found on The Bat! running within A B's Window account and no longer wishes to have that separate mail A account running in The Bat! within her own Window's account. Login to Windows as user A. Don't start TB Start Regedit and delete this directory from the registry: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT Move the one account ftrom user A to the mail directory of user B Logoff as user A Login to Windows as user B Start TB Add a new account, give it the name of A´s account. Close TB Logoff from Windows Login as user A Start TB Set the mail directory to user B´s mail directory Create new accounts Name those new accounts the same as they have for user B Now you´re done -- Groetjes, Roelof If at first you don't succeed, you must be using Windows. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.0.34.3 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgp5zAaSMLQQ5.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: moving mail account from one user acct to another user acct
Hi, Roelof, In response to my question about moving a mail account from one user's windows account to another user's window's account on the same computer, you wrote: 1. Login to Windows as user A. 2. Don't start TB 3. Start Regedit and delete this directory from the registry: 4. HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT 5. Move the one account ftrom user A to the mail directory of user B 6. Logoff as user A 7. Login to Windows as user B 8. Start TB 9. Add a new account, give it the name of A´s account. 10. Close TB 11. Logoff from Windows 12. Login as user A 13. Start TB 14. Set the mail directory to user B´s mail directory 15. Create new accounts 16. Name those new accounts the same as they have for user B 17. Now you´re done First, thank-you VERY much. [I LOVE this list! I am still waiting *days* for an answer from the support team of another, unrelated application in another matter.] I understand your instructions (which I have numbered) up through no. 13. However, I don't know how to set the mail directory to user B's mail directory. Can you elaborate? Secondly, what will be the practical consequence of setting the mail directory to user B's mail directory: Once I create new accounts in the instance of The Bat! that is running in user A's Windows account with the same name as they have for user B, does that then mean that both User A and User B will be able to see the same mail from within their own Window's user account? If the answer is yes, does this also include previous mail, or does it only include mail downloaded from this point forward? -- Avram L. Sacks Riverwoods, IL 60015 The Bat ver. 4.0.18 on Windows XP Pro, SP2. Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: One time encryption
Hello Privateofcourse, Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 5:21:19 AM, you wrote: P Hello Jack, P This is what you said on Mon, 15 Sep 2008 15:23:31 -0500 your time: Is there an easy way to encrypt the info so it can't be read if it's intercepted in transit and yet *can* be read by the recipient? P Mostly, any secure system would require that the receiving part had a P key/password to unlock the information that you send them. -snip-- P Certainly not. I think it is completely sensible to think about these things P and find solutions for them. Thanks Simon. Please see the response from Gene Brown. I tend to get un-realistically paranoid at times. -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: One time encryption
Hello Nick, Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 6:00:49 AM, you wrote: ND Hello Jack, ND On Monday, September 15, 2008, you wrote: JSL I need to send credit card info to a vendor in payment for a part yet JSL to be shipped. Is there an easy way to encrypt the info so it can't be JSL read if it's intercepted in transit and yet *can* be read by the JSL recipient? Or am I worrying about nothing? ND Some people, myself included, think that the anonymity offered by the ND sheer scale of the Internet outweighs the risk of identifying your ND message as interesting by including an easy to spot encryption ND header or similar. Some people allege that governments only filter ND encrypted traffic, on the assumption that that's how terrorists are ND communicating. On that subject, I don't think that the government ND needs to snoop my e-mail to get my CC details, or anything else for ND that matter... ND Once you turn over this stone, however, it's not long before you're ND employing steganography and by the end of the week you'll be sleeping ND under the bed with a gun! ND Oh no, now you've got me started. Sorry. See! Now THAT'S what I'm talkin 'bout!:) Now, where'd I put that darned gun -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: One time encryption
Hello Gene, Monday, September 15, 2008, 7:53:21 PM, you wrote: GB On Monday, September 15, 2008, 4:23:31 PM, you wrote: Or am I worrying about nothing? GB Maybe I've naive, but I've never had a problem with doing this. If GB you send your credit card number to the vendor, what happens to it GB after that? How does the vendor secure it? GB When I use a credit card in a restaurant, I give it to the waiter GB and he disappears for several minutes. Does he have a buddy back in GB the kitchen who collects these numbers for resale? I don't know, but GB I don't worry about it. GB Is the internet really any riskier than how I use the card every GB day? It's called Web Paranoia and it's probably completely un-justified. You're right in everything you say. Ultimately, we decided to just conduct the transaction over the phone, a cell phone yet. Probably being eavesdropped upon (cell phone paranoia). -- Best regards, Jackmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using TB! v3.99.3 from Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 - Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: One time encryption
Hello, Jack-- On Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 1:37:33 PM, you wrote: GB Is the internet really any riskier than how I use the card every GB day? It's called Web Paranoia and it's probably completely un-justified. You're right in everything you say. Ultimately, we decided to just conduct the transaction over the phone, a cell phone yet. Probably being eavesdropped upon (cell phone paranoia). This is getting dangerously off topic, and we're probably risking a good trouting. (It's called Bat! Paranoia.) In my experience, the credit card companies are (thankfully) much more paranoid than I am, and I have some stories to back that up. But we should probably stop this thread or move it to TBOT. -- Gene -- Running The Bat! version 4.0.24 under Windows XP Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: One time encryption
Hi On Tuesday 16 September 2008 at 12:19:26 PM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Gunivortus Goos wrote: And in a strange turn of events, the cat was electrocuted. Poor cat. What happened? -- Best regards, MFPA Nothing a Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster won't cure! Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: One time encryption
Hi On Tuesday 16 September 2008 at 1:53:21 AM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Gene Brown wrote: On Monday, September 15, 2008, 4:23:31 PM, you wrote: When I use a credit card in a restaurant, I give it to the waiter and he disappears for several minutes. Is the internet really any riskier than how I use the card every day? Unlikely to be riskier than allowing people to wander off with it. Several years since I saw that - these days they usually have a portable EPOS terminal they bring to you at the table. Failing that they ask you to go to the counter. -- Best regards, MFPA Keep them dry and don't feed them after midnight Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: One time encryption
Hi On Tuesday 16 September 2008 at 12:22:24 AM, in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Jim Kyle wrote: The easiest way, if you have a fax machine, is to fax him the information. That's a straight phone-line connection, not networked, so the probability of anyone being able to tap into it is very small. Although, of course, the other end may use fax software on a PC... In addition, the image format that fax uses is pretty effective as an encryption measure even though it's a published standard. A casual snooper isn't likely to have the necessary tools... The casual snooper may be snooping at the paper coming off a fax machine (-; -- Best regards, MFPA Editing is a rewording activity Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: One time encryption
On Tuesday, September 16, 2008, 1:22:24, Jim Kyle wrote: The easiest way, if you have a fax machine, is to fax him the information. That's a straight phone-line connection, not networked, so the probability of anyone being able to tap into it is very small. It's actually quite easy to eavesdrop on phone - you just need to connect a cable at the appropriate place. Once you do that, it's not even that hard to intercept faxes. In addition, the image format that fax uses is pretty effective as an encryption measure even though it's a published standard. A casual snooper isn't likely to have the necessary tools... Much more likely to have them than anything that would let him intercept IP traffic, be it through DSL or cable (not to mention that even intercepting that traffic won't help when the site uses encryption). -- Jernej Simončič http://eternallybored.org/ Anything is possible if you don't know what you'retalking about. -- Green's Law of Debate Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: moving mail account from one user acct to another user acct
Good afternoon Avram, It was foretold that on 16/09/2008 @ 11:29:33 GMT-0500 (which was 13:29:33 where I live) Sacks, Avram would write: snipped a bit I understand your instructions (which I have numbered) up through no. 13. However, I don't know how to set the mail directory to user B's mail directory. Can you elaborate? Options --- preferences --- System. That's where you define the mail directory. -- Best regards, Luc http://www.dzinelabs.com --- Using the best e-mail client: The Bat! version 4.0.18 with Windows XP (build 2600), version 5.1 Service Pack 2 and using the best browser: Opera. Whether you're an honest man, or whether you're a thief, Depends on whose solicitor has given me my brief. - Benjamin Franklin (1706–1790) Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: moving mail account from one user acct to another user acct
Hi, Luc, You responded to my question concerning the transfer of one mail account into another instance of the The Bat running in a separate Window user's account, and explained what Roelof meant by setting a mail directory to another's user's mail directory by writing : Options --- preferences --- System. That's where you define the mail directory. Thank you very much! I am at the office now, and am unable to do this at the moment, since I run The Bat on my home computer. However I will try out your suggestion when I get home. -- Your answer leads me to another question about using The Bat! on home networks which could be a separate thread, but which I will include here, for now: Last April I tried to set The Bat! up on a home network. Because I did not intend to keep mail on the mail server indefinitely, I used POP3 rather than IMAP, but set the mail server instructions to keep mail on the server for at least 14 days--long enough for mail to be downloaded on to both machines. The system was imperfect, however, since it meant cc'ing outgoing messages to myself to make sure I had a copy on both computers. Ultimately, the system would only work for mail on my own private domain. The system did not work for Gmail mail. Once one computer downloaded gmail mail, the other computer would no longer be able to download it. However, your answer, above gave me an idea. It seems to me that rather than try and create a self-contained version of my e-mail on both computers, perhaps it would be better to have one computer see the other computer's mail directory. (We will just lose some e-mail functionality while on vacation with the laptop, since new mail would only be available via webmail.) If I want more than one computer on a network to access the same mail directory, so that either computer user can read, compose, and delete mail, would I use Options --- preferences --- System on the second computer's running of The Bat! to point to the originating directory on the first computer? All the best, -- Avi Avram L. Sacks 2700 Lake Cook Road Riverwoods, IL 60015 Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: moving mail account from one user acct to another user acct
Hallo Avram, On Tue, 16 Sep 2008 11:29:33 -0500GMT (16-9-2008, 18:29 +0200, where I live), you wrote: SA First, thank-you VERY much. [I LOVE this list! I am still SA waiting *days* for an answer from the support team of another, SA unrelated application in another matter.] I understand your SA instructions (which I have numbered) up through no. 13. However, SA I don't know how to set the mail directory to user B's mail directory. Can you elaborate? As you deleted all of TB's registry setting for user A, TB will run and think it's being run for the first time and will ask for a mail directory, it's then that you browse to the mail directory for user B. SA Secondly, what will be the practical consequence of setting the SA mail directory to user B's mail directory: SA Once I create new accounts in the instance of The Bat! SA that is running in user A's Windows account with the same name as SA they have for user B, does that then mean that both User A and SA User B will be able to see the same mail from within their own Window's user account? Yes SA If the answer is yes, does this also include previous SA mail, or does it only include mail downloaded from this point forward? All mail -- Groetjes, Roelof Every person constructs their own bed of nails. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 4.0.34.5 Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 3 pop3 accounts OTFE enabled Quad Core 2.4GHz 4 GB RAM pgpBINWXBKuL4.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.24.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
