Many, many confusing options for templates with no explanations
I have huge problems with templates because there are many confusing options and difficult to find documentation. So, I'm just going to list my several questions on templates that have been bugging me: There's a Common Templates section in the quick templates dialog. But every template also has a checkbox for share with other accounts. This is confusing. What's the difference? How does each work? In the same dialog, for each template, there are check boxes for Use For New Messages, Reply Messages, and Forward messages. However, in each of your Account properties, you have to set up templates for all these categories anyway. Again, what's the difference, and how is each one meant to be used? Furthermore, why do i even have to check those options?! Whenever I want to use a quick template inside another template, I can always do so with the QINCLUDE function, right? I don't have to check those boxes at all. Very, very confusing. Is there somewhere that lists all the template functions in some kind of organized fashion? I'm talking all the functions and how to use them? For example, the ISSIGNATURE command makes no sense to me whatsoever. Thanks for all the advice. I love the Bat, but there seriously needs to be a more convenient place to find answers to these questions besides mailing lists newsgroups. A good help file would be ideal. but I understand if that's not the developer's priority. At least a normal web forum or something. Newsgroups and mailing lists are old-school. I still haven't set up my newsreader to be able to reply to messages...all I can do is create a new message right now. OK, I'm done! -- AC Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Many, many confusing options for templates with no explanations
Hello all, Saturday, April 18, 2009, AC wrote: I have huge problems with templates because there are many confusing options and difficult to find documentation. So, I'm just going to list my several questions on templates that have been bugging me: what huge problems are You speaking about? There's a Common Templates section in the quick templates dialog. But every template also has a checkbox for share with other accounts. This is confusing. What's the difference? How does each work? Common templates section in QT editor is available allways for viewing and editing, even You are logged to program as administrator or user. When You log into program via account with user rights, You will see specific QTs and Common templates, but if there are some shared templates from other accounts, You can use them from main toolbar, where is a small arrow for displaying and using them. So they can be used, but not edited. In the same dialog, for each template, there are check boxes for Use For New Messages, Reply Messages, and Forward messages. However, in each of your Account properties, you have to set up templates for all these categories anyway. Again, what's the difference, and how is each one meant to be used? as in previous answer, You can add a flag to a quick template about its purpose, so if You check New messages and Mass Mailing, You will see it in New message dropdown and in Address Book for sending Mass mailing, if You check Reply messages, You will see it in Reply button dropdown. Furthermore, why do i even have to check those options?! Whenever I want to use a quick template inside another template, I can always do so with the QINCLUDE function, right? I don't have to check those boxes at all. Very, very confusing. I do not understand You confusion, do not check buttons You do not know, its simple. Is there somewhere that lists all the template functions in some kind of organized fashion? I'm talking all the functions and how to use them? For example, the ISSIGNATURE command makes no sense to me whatsoever. look to help, macros like ISSIGNATURE are explained there. -- Bye Marek Mikus Czech support of The Bat! http://www.thebat.cz Using the best The Bat! 4.1.11.15 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 with MyMacros,XMP,AnotherMacros, AntispamSniper v 3.2.0.1 Notebook Toshiba, Core2 Duo 1.83 GHz, 4 GB RAM Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Many, many confusing options for templates with no explanations
On Saturday, April 18, 2009, at 4:20:47 AM, AC wrote: In the same dialog, for each template, there are check boxes for Use For New Messages, Reply Messages, and Forward messages. However, in each of your Account properties, you have to set up templates for all these categories anyway. Again, what's the difference, and how is each one meant to be used? Furthermore, why do i even have to check those options? I start from the top down. That is, I first set up the templates for my accounts (I only use three accounts, and one of those is for archiving old messages so it's never used for sending or receiving, hence does not need any templates). Then, if I want the same template in both accounts, I set it up as a Common Template and in its Options pane, check off both accounts under Use In. This lets me omit that template from both the accounts. The next level down is at the Group stage. I have several groups of users that get specialized templates, stored under the Group. Finally, there are individual templates at the Address Book level, and apply only to the specific user. When a template is to be used, the program looks first at the Address Book level for one specific to the recipient. If there's not one, it looks at the groups to which that recipient belongs. If there's still not one, it looks in the Common Templates if the account is checked, and finally at the Account properties. The first time it finda a template, it's the one used. The only ones that have to be there are those in the Account properties. All the rest are optional, letting you select special treatment for individual users, for user groups, or everyone. In my case, most of the template properties provided are left blank. Only a few Address Book templates are used, a couple of groups get special treatment, and most of my Quick Templates are specific to one account or the other although in all of them I have Use In checked for both because I created most of them before learning about the Common Templates. I don't use the QTINCLUDE macro a lot, but it's nice to have available. I hope this helps a bit; I agree that the documentation leaves much to be desired, mostly because so much of what does exist is obsolete and no longer valid. There is a conventional online forum, but my experience has been that the mailing lists are so much more helpful that I've not logged into that forum for many weeks now and when I do, I don't find much of interest. One of the reasons for lack of documentation is the lack of a common language; the user base here is the most internationalized of all the programs I use. I understand that if I were able to read Russian I could find more information on line (since that's the native language of the developers). This is a problem for many other programs as well; that's why the mailing lists continue to be the most reliable data sources. -- Jim Kyle Using The Bat! v4.0.34 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600Service Pack 3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.0.1.2 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
CA certificate issue
Hi all - I'm having a problem getting a CA certificate imported/installed, whatever it is you do with these things. Can't find anything in the config or help files at all. Can someone shed some light? And .. this is embarrassing, but does anyone have a suggestion as to how to read a 355k logfile? We'd like to see what's in it today since the smtp function quit, but GVim stopped responding when I tried to scroll to the end of it, and I'm going to give JEdit a try, but .. looks bad, you know? Yes, hereafter I will start a new one on the first of every month, but I didn't realize it was just getting bigger and bigger. I figured there was a limit on it. Silly me. I must have set that up in a different app. Anyway, the cert is really the thing, I think, and I'd really appreciate input. tia, Lynn -- Lynn :Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag: theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net TBv.4.1.11 NT5 SP4 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Skip logfile fixed
4/18/2009 L And .. this is embarrassing, but does anyone have a suggestion as to how L to read a 355k logfile? We'd like to see what's in it today since the L smtp function quit, but GVim stopped responding when I tried to scroll L to the end of it, and I'm going to give JEdit a try, but .. looks bad, L you know? L Yes, hereafter I will start a new one on the first of every month, but I L didn't realize it was just getting bigger and bigger. I figured there L was a limit on it. Silly me. I must have set that up in a different app. This has been dealt with. and that was 355Meg .. !! and GVim did the deed in the end; I think I ws rushing it. The certificate is still very much at issue though. -- Lynn :Hawthorne: :usflag: :canadaflag: theli...@comcast.net * * *Aun Aprendo I'd rather be WARP'ed* * * Team OS/2 http://www.turriff.net TBv.4.1.11 NT5 SP4 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
