Editing the address book history
Hello, I've been trawling through the archives, but can't seem to resolve this issue. When I start entering an address TB! starts to autocomplete, as I'd expect. Over time this list has got littered with mis-typed entries and I'd like to clear them out. Previous posts suggest scrolling down the list and hitting Delete. This works for the drop-down list under the right chevron, but not the dynamic list that appears directly below the address entry box. Does anyone know of a way to clean up this list and why the two lists are different? I thought that they're both address history. I'd rather not nuke the whole history unless I have to. -- Nick TheBat!: v4.2.6 on Windows Vista Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB Hangs
Hello Tim, On Thursday, June 25, 2009, you wrote: TH Does anyone have the answer why Firefox and IE hang all the time TH when trying to launch from TB? It seems this problem has gotten TH worse with TB's new release. Have you tried making a web shortcut on the desktop, just to make sure that it's not Windows that's getting confused? Right-click on the desktop, New-Shortcut and enter something like http://news.bbc.co.uk/ in the URL field. Double click that to make sure that at least Windows will load that into a browser. -- Nick | n...@winchmore.com Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB Hangs
Hello Rick, Wednesday, July 8, 2009, 2:19:46 PM, you wrote: Hello Code, Monday, June 29, 2009, 7:18:20 AM, you wrote: Does anyone have the answer why Firefox and IE hang all the time when trying to launch from TB? It seems this problem has gotten worse with TB's new release. I'm not sure if this is the same thing, but I have an intermittent problem with The Bat! hanging for a couple minutes when I click a link from within an e-mail. I have never been able to pin it down to any one set of circumstances, much less solve the problem. When it does happen in my case, it is only after a fresh reboot of the computer and The Bat!. I do note that is happening less often since the last couple TB updates. This program hang is driving me nuts! Over 50% of the time when trying to launch a FireFox or IE browser within TB, the program simply freezes. Is this issue being addressed for the next TB update? I have un-installed and reinstalled the program but this has no affect on fixing what appears to be a bug. Can you switch over to IE and see if you have the same performance issue? It may not be a TB issue. Firefox is full of flakiness although in fairness I haven't used it in a while, but I did have to stop using it IE does the same thing. -- Best regards, Timmailto:timh...@cox.net Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB Hangs
Hello Tim, This is what you said on Sat, 27 Jun 2009 16:57:59 -0700 your time: This must not be happening to anyone else except me? Anyone have any solutions to what might be going on? I am using TB! 4.2.6 and FF 3.0.11 on WinXP Pro SP3. I'm using Avast AV, with Webshield disabled, because it gave me problems. I'm also using Comdodo Firewall, no Comdodo AV installed. TB! loads links in FF without a problem here - I only use IE via FF IETab plugin. I'm guessing it may not be a TB! issue you have! Sometimes Firewalls and AV software can cause issues like you describe. Also, for troubleshooting purposes, try the following: * try temporarily disabling the update checks in FF. Just uncheck the three top boxes. Settings in FF: http://privateofcourse.co.uk/share/tb_hang_01.png * try disabling the Default browser check, to see if that makes any difference. Uncheck System Defaults. Settings in FF: http://privateofcourse.co.uk/share/tb_hang_02.png HTH -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #29589. Now Shew Dig Ore? ¶ TB! 4.2.6 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB Hangs
Hello Privateofcourse, Thursday, July 9, 2009, 2:22:34 PM, you wrote: P I'm also using Comdodo P Firewall, no Comdodo AV installed Ouch! The one that always falls asleep! Try COMODO instead. It's much more responsive! :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 4.2.7.1 189 days remaining in 2009. Actually it's 175 days) + less than 24 hours. Yours truly residing on earth for 18867 days now. Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Changing Clients-Advice Request
I'm in the process of trying to switch email clients after 15+ years in Eudora. I have no great desire to leave Eudora. But Eudora 7 is getting too outdated in certain ways (lack of UTF-8 support is the killer) and I have evaluated all three Eudora replacements--Penelope-Eudora 8, Mailforge, and Postbox--and none of them are getting close. I evaluated quite a few other email clients, and The Bat! seems the best bet. It's really a powerful program, more so than anything else I'm seeing. Now I am in the 30-day trial, trying to see if I can actually make it work for me. (Alas I have no clear back-up plan if it won't work for me.) I've got all my incoming mail from various accounts filtering into common folders and sorting according to my preferences. While the filtering doesn't do everything that Eudora's does, it does a lot that Eudora's doesn't (and it's the best I've seen moving out of Eudora)--I'm particularly impressed with the ability to filter based on address book groups. While it takes adaptation for me (which was obviously going to be the case), I think I can get most of it working. Eventually learning how to set some of the keyboard shortcuts was a big breakthrough. I end up with a few serious concerns, and I'd like to get some input into them before I commit to the jump. I've read quite a bit in the TBUDL archive as well as the forum on ritlabs. Nevertheless, it's hard to get a sense of the software's history or where it's going, what I might be able to expect. I'd appreciate some input from users, as well as pointers to message threads or URLs which might be helpful. (This is The Bat Pro 4.2.6, with AntiSpam Sniper Pro current.) All this is in the context that The Bat seems to be very powerful and the best choice I can see. (1) My biggest concern is images and HTML email. (a) I would really like a setting that says Allow All Images in which the Download URL Manager is never seen and images just get downloaded (I count on Norton IS to scan POP and SMTP traffic, and as far as I'm concerned email is no different than clicking on a web link). If I have to deal with the Download URL Manager for the time being, if I could remap the shortcut key for the Allow button, that would help. Do people find that eventually if you Allow All and Allow All, you rarely get the thing popping up? Is this functionality likely to get improved pretty soon, or should I assume this is what I'd have to live with? (b) Image rendering is pretty faulty. I receive two emails of comics every morning, each of which render unusable in two different ways--however, I've found that by setting things just so I can easily open them into browser tabs where they render correctly--and opening into browser certainly performs fast. However, I presume all those other emails I don't look at closely are also rendering badly. Is image rendering likely to get better? If I were to submit particular problems such as specific badly rendered emails, might those problems get addressed bye and bye? (c) Arrowing through HTML email appears to move cell to cell, rather than scrolling down as it should and everything else does. Who knew, but it turns out I use the down arrow key constantly to scroll through email contents, and this cell to cell thing is not going to work for me. Is there hope that this will get fixed? Overall, the question is, can I be hopeful of improvement in this area in some reasonably timely way? Or should I assume that what I see is what I get and decide if I can live with it? (As far as the images/HTML mail problems, the answer would be no, I need to find a different option if it would be like this long-term.) (2) My other big concern is around support, maintenance, development. Can I get support--some forum comments make that seem doubtful. That the documentation is so out of date and inaccurate and that many things appear undocumented worries me. (I saw a forum thread about creating a manual? Is that likely?) I finally found a bug list at https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view_all_bug_page.php, referenced in some forum thread. Is that used? Can I submit there? Is there hope of things getting fixed? My other issues are smaller and less worrisome. I would appreciate input. I'm posting separately to ritlabs forum and TBUDL--apologies to those who read both and see it twice. Thanks, Velma Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB Hangs
Hello Mark, This is what you said on Thu, 9 Jul 2009 16:29:29 +0159 your time: Ouch! The one that always falls asleep! ??? I don't know what you mean. Could you elucidate? (I'm curious now). Try COMODO instead. It's much more responsive! :-) When you say 'much more responsive', in what way exactly? -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #24384. Woe Rig New Hods? ¶ TB! 4.2.6 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Changing Clients-Advice Request
Hello Velma, On Thu, 09 Jul 2009 10:31:35 -0400 GMT (09/Jul/09, 21:31 +0700 GMT), Velma Kahn wrote: VK (b) Image rendering is pretty faulty. I receive two emails of comics VK every morning, each of which render unusable in two different VK ways--however, I've found that by setting things just so I can easily VK open them into browser tabs where they render correctly--and opening VK into browser certainly performs fast. However, I presume all those VK other emails I don't look at closely are also rendering badly. Is VK image rendering likely to get better? If I were to submit particular VK problems such as specific badly rendered emails, might those problems VK get addressed bye and bye? I've never had any problem with image rendering. Please advise which service you subscribe to, and I will subscribe and take a look. VK Overall, the question is, can I be hopeful of improvement in this VK area in some reasonably timely way? Yes, you should be hopeful. It's good for your general well-being. VK Or should I assume that what I see is what I get and decide if I VK can live with it? In the meantime, that is a good idea. VK (As far as the images/HTML mail problems, the answer would be no, VK I need to find a different option if it would be like this VK long-term.) TBH, I would like to see the problem before answering this one. TB! may have shortcomings, but image rendering has (so far?) not been mentioned. Or noticed by myself, for that matter. VK (2) My other big concern is around support, maintenance, development. VK Can I get support--some forum comments make that seem doubtful. Well, I don't know about the forum. But this mailing list is certainly helpful. You'll get all the support you need right here. VK That the documentation is so out of date and inaccurate and that VK many things appear undocumented worries me. (I saw a forum thread VK about creating a manual? Is that likely?) Yes, there is a rumour about updating the help file. Believe me, the best way is to ask over here. And look around at http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html VK I finally found a bug list at VK https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view_all_bug_page.php, referenced in VK some forum thread. Is that used? Very much so. VK Can I submit there? Yes, certainly. VK Is there hope of things getting fixed? The only hope we have. Any bug submitted via forum or mailing list has no meaning unless you also mention the bug tracker (BT) entry. Full URL for easy support is appreciated. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB Hangs
Hello Privateofcourse, Thursday, July 9, 2009, 5:45:04 PM, you wrote: Ouch! The one that always falls asleep! P ??? I don't know what you mean. Could you elucidate? (I'm curious now). Try COMODO instead. It's much more responsive! :-) P When you say 'much more responsive', in what way exactly? Apparently it did not occur to you that you wrote (twice) ComDodo instead of Comodo. Oh well, perhaps it's not that strange that you didn't get it, especially if the word dodo only makes you think of the species of birds that has died out. When talking to children in Dutch (actually I don't know if the Dutch use it, the Flemish do) one can say dodo doen (from the French faire dodo) instead of: to sleep... Greetings from a Comodo/Nod32 user (on 2 PC's, that is, the other 5 have KIS (Kaspersky) installed). -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 4.2.7.1 189 days remaining in 2009. Actually it's 175 days) + less than 24 hours. Yours truly residing on earth for 18867 days now. Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB Hangs
Hi On Thursday 9 July 2009 at 5:14:33 PM, in mid:1881805773.20090709181...@partous.com, Mark Partous wrote: Greetings from a Comodo/Nod32 user Nod32 always makes me think of sleep (as in nod off) (on 2 PC's, that is, the other 5 have KIS (Kaspersky) installed). One PC for each day of the week! -- Best regards, MFPA There is no job so simple that it cannot be done wrong Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB Hangs
Hello Mark, This is what you said on Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:14:33 +0200 your time: Apparently it did not occur to you that you wrote (twice) ComDodo instead of Comodo. Well I'm blowed, no, I didn't even notice that I'd typed that! Doh! Or even Doh! Doh! Maybe there's some deeper hidden meaning to it...or maybe not, and I'm just a careless 'typer'. Hmm, I wonder which it is? :-D Oh well, perhaps it's not that strange that you didn't get it, especially if the word dodo only makes you think of the species of birds that has died out. Well, yes, you're right, if I'd noticed it, I would have only thought of the extinct bird, indeed. When talking to children in Dutch (actually I don't know if the Dutch use it, the Flemish do) one can say dodo doen (from the French faire dodo) instead of: to sleep... Ahh, now I see...and all is now clear :-D That's very good actually, and if I'd understood it first off I'd have laughed then, and it wouldn't have taken until after you'd explained it to me ;-) Greetings from a Comodo/Nod32 user (on 2 PC's, that is, the other 5 have KIS (Kaspersky) installed). :-D I'm still a cheapskate! -- Simon (Privateofcourse) #36968. Hi Sow Go Wed Ern? ¶ TB! 4.2.6 WinXP Pro Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB Hangs
Hi On Thursday 9 July 2009 at 4:06:31 AM, in mid:1223559852.20090709050...@dbnmail.co.za, Roger Phillips wrote: Firefox is sometimes a bit slow to respond, as though it has to think deeply before waking up! I get that too, especially if Firefox is either not running yet or has lots of tabs open. I rarely use IE and it is not my default browser. Same here - generally only use it if I can't persuade a website I need to work in Firefox. -- Best regards, MFPA A bird in the hand makes it awfully hard to blow your nose Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Editing the address book history
Hi On Thursday 9 July 2009 at 10:54:50 AM, in mid:1255503934.20090709105...@winchmore.com, Nick Dutton wrote: When I start entering an address TB! starts to autocomplete, as I'd expect. Over time this list has got littered with mis-typed entries and I'd like to clear them out. And obsolete email addresses and people you only needed to contact once and ... Previous posts suggest scrolling down the list and hitting Delete. This works for the drop-down list under the right chevron, but not the dynamic list that appears directly below the address entry box. This is true here also. Does anyone know of a way to clean up this list The person who logged https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=6759 evidently knew a way that was supposed to work but did not. I have never been able to see any effects from making changes at Options | Preferences | Address History. and why the two lists are different? I thought that they're both address history. One difference is that the drop-down list under the right chevron varies per account. Change the active account for your message and the address drop-list changes. My memory tells me there was once a setting to complete only from address books and to choose which address books to include but I can't see that in 4.0.38. I'd rather not nuke the whole history unless I have to. There's a reasonable chance it would just reappear anyway? (-; -- Best regards, MFPA Consistency is the last refuge of the unimaginative Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB Hangs
Hello MFPA, Thursday, July 9, 2009, 10:11:24 AM, you wrote: Hi On Thursday 9 July 2009 at 4:06:31 AM, in mid:1223559852.20090709050...@dbnmail.co.za, Roger Phillips wrote: Firefox is sometimes a bit slow to respond, as though it has to think deeply before waking up! I get that too, especially if Firefox is either not running yet or has lots of tabs open. I rarely use IE and it is not my default browser. Same here - generally only use it if I can't persuade a website I need to work in Firefox. I'd appreciate any else's observations as to what might be the culprit. Both IE and Firefox cause TB to Stall in it's tracts at least 50% of the time. I've noticed this on the last few TB updates that this issue has gotten worse. -- Best regards, Timmailto:timh...@cox.net Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB Hangs
Hello Tim, On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 13:32:22 -0700 GMT (10/Jul/09, 3:32 +0700 GMT), Tim Hamm wrote: I rarely use IE and it is not my default browser. Same here - generally only use it if I can't persuade a website I need to work in Firefox. Same here. TH I'd appreciate any else's observations as to what might be the TH culprit. Both IE and Firefox cause TB to Stall in it's tracts at least TH 50% of the time. I've noticed this on the last few TB updates that TH this issue has gotten worse. This might not help you but will contribute to boil it down: I have no problems, FF 3.0.11. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.1.11 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
