Re: Can't remove v5
Hi Mark, I suppose you haven't used Revo Uninstaller yet. I've learned about the risks tools of the sort pose the hard way. I've spent hours trying to undo the damage that they caused on more than one occasion, years ago on my own machines, since then only on systems I have to repair because their owner used just that kind of software. 1) First it creates a system restore point before uninstalling a program 2) Then it uses the program's own uninstall (if any) These are built-in functions. You wouldn't need a seperate program to do this. 3) After that it offers the possibility to search the registry for any leftovers, lists them and leaves the user the choice wether he wants to remove any of these (all individually selectable) 4) Finally it can search for any left over files and folders. Once again it is up to the user to decide wether he wants to delete them or not (none are selected automatically, as is the case for the registry items in point 3 and the user can skip steps 3 and 4) (x) That's the problem. After program uninstall, the user is (at best) presented with a long list of found items and has to decide whether to remove them or not. Usually, this simply can't be decided: Do you remove registry entries from the class path or not? Do you remove this DLL from the Windows system path or not? Are you positive that no other program is using this file? What if the install in question has replaced/touched the file, while it had already been present before? Your uninstaller would recommend removing it, but the program that had placed the original version there wouldn't work anymore. I use Revo Uninstaller Pro for a couple of years now and it isn't longer than yesterday that I was very happy to have it. I wouldn't want to tell you what's best for your system or not, this is your decision. However, from my experience these tools are to be avoided like the plague. It's exactly this sort of utilities that prompted the Windows has to be reinstalled every few years because it is getting slower over time myth. If you know what you're doing, you may be able to avoid the traps. No doubt about it. But then you should be able to accomplish most of the program's functions whithout it, and at lower risk to the system. BTW: the trick you suggested (renaming (or removing) thebat.exe did not work for me when trying to go back to 4. I see. Sorry to hear that. What happened when you tried to run the new old EXE? -- Mit freundlichem Gruß Alto Speckhardt mailto:a...@treadstone79.de pgpiTTb06l8AW.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't remove v5
Hello Jack, I've used Revo Uninstaller (free version) for many years and never once have I had a problem with it removing anything I needed. I don't even question the things it wants to remove anymore and just let it have it's way, confident that nothing will be harmed. My point exactly. The artificial intelligence of such programs just isn't (can't be) good enough to handle all situations without fail, and the user is tempted to just click do it instead of verifying each step himself. If it helps you out of tight spots, great. However, if anyone states I used Revo [make that any kind of] uninstaller, to me this means that let go of all hope and reinstall Windows, if you want any kind of reliable system conditions again. :-) -- Mit freundlichem Gruß Alto Speckhardt mailto:a...@treadstone79.de pgpNB9E9O1dBK.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: IMAP Worthless in TB
Hi Tim, TH Hello Tbudl, TH IMAP is worthless and extremely buggy on TB when trying to access TH gamail. The connection window freezes when checking google and TB TH freezes as well. Has anyone else experienced this? I guess I could TH use POP in checking gmail. Let me take a stab in the dark. This sounds like a problem that I had with a POP3 account many years ago. As part of the login process, one particular provider was sending a DNS request. Due to problems (or fears) about ?BackOrifice?, the firewall had been set to block port 53 by default. The result looked very much like a continuous loop (TheBat attempted to fetch email from that provider and hung). After reading the firewall logs (and setting it to report all denied traffic, heh-heh-heh), the solution was to open port 53 for that provider's IP address in combination with TheBat's MD5. I'm not sure if that helps with your problem, but hope springs eternal. -- Sincerely, David Win][k sp4 TheBat 3.85.03 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't remove v5
Hello Alto, On Tuesday, July 26, 2011 you wrote: AS Hello Jack, I've used Revo Uninstaller (free version) for many years and never once have I had a problem with it removing anything I needed. I don't even question the things it wants to remove anymore and just let it have it's way, confident that nothing will be harmed. AS My point exactly. The artificial intelligence of such programs just AS isn't (can't be) good enough to handle all situations without fail, AS and the user is tempted to just click do it instead of verifying AS each step himself. AS If it helps you out of tight spots, great. However, if anyone states AS I used Revo [make that any kind of] uninstaller, to me this means AS that let go of all hope and reinstall Windows, if you want any kind AS of reliable system conditions again. I understand your concern Alto as I had those same concerns when I first used Revo, I had no idea what it was showing me (that it said should be deleted) but the fact that programmers would write code that did not completely remove all traces of itself when uninstalled was extremely undisciplined and just pushed me over the edge. The thought that my registry was just filling up with now useless entries was more than I could tolerate. Call me foolish for feeling that way but I couldn't help it and Revo offered to clean up all that useless stuff without harming my system. And so it has all these years. I learned of Revo Uninstaller from Kim Komando whose knowledge I have come to trust. She has her detractors but then, what radio/newspaper celebrity doesn't. I have taken her computer advice for many years and have yet to regret doing anything she recommended. If she gave bad advice you can rest assured that the news of it would be splashed all over the airwaves and the newspapers for which she writes. I think the same holds true for Revo. If it wasn't able to live up to what it claims, it would have crashed and burned a long time ago. Maybe Mark and I and others have been lucky, or maybe the program just works like it says it does. -- Jack LaRosa Using The Bat! ver: 4.2.44.2. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't remove v5
On Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 7:51:30 AM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: Kim Komando real name is? -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.0.20 on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't remove v5
Hello Jack, I understand your concern Alto as I had those same concerns when I first used Revo, I had no idea what it was showing me (that it said should be deleted) [...] It's just that I have seen the most curious behaviour that had started seemingly out of nowhere and in the end was tracable to a single registry entry that had erronously been deleted by such a tool (I used to use CleanSweep.) The thought that my registry was just filling up with now useless entries [...] Windows only loads the part of the registry that it currently needs to access. The number of unused entries in the registry has almost no consequence at all, it doesn't use any more RAM or cost performance. The only visible sign you might notice is that the registry files on hard disk grow larger over time, but with today's HDD cpacities, who cares if the files are 5 MB or 10 MB in size? So yes, we are in total agreement in our disdain for applications that don't do their housekeeping properly. But bottom line is: It's just cosmetics, it really doesn't matter if they do or don't. On the other hand, you can get into a lot of trouble if you clean up manually and make a mistake. That's why I don't do it anymore. If some application feels it needs to leave the odd file hanging around after departing - so be it. ;-) -- Mit freundlichem Gruß Alto Speckhardt mailto:a...@treadstone79.de pgpUoiUL4n47y.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't remove v5
Hello Alto, Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 9:37:55 AM, you wrote: AS I've learned about the risks tools of the sort pose the hard way. I've AS spent hours trying to undo the damage that they caused on more than AS one occasion, years ago on my own machines, since then only on systems AS I have to repair because their owner used just that kind of software. Etc. Reply follows later, no time for longer answer now -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 4.2.33.1 Beta 159 days remaining in 2011. Actually it's 524 days) + less than 24 hours. Yours truly residing on earth for 19614 days now. Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't remove v5
Hello Dwight, Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 3:36:01 PM, you wrote: DC real name is? ,--/ From Wikipedia \ | Komando was born and raised in New Jersey. According to her show's website, Komando is her actual last name, and is | Russian-Ukrainian.[4] Her father was a businessman. Her mother was part of the team that developed UNIX. | | At 16, she graduated from high school. She went on to attend Arizona State University, graduating at 20 with a degree | in computer information systems. [5] While in school, she trained people to use their computers. | `-8--- -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 4.2.33.1 Beta 159 days remaining in 2011. Actually it's 524 days) + less than 24 hours. Yours truly residing on earth for 19614 days now. Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
voyager - account access password
hello all, when using 'the bat', it's possible to set an account access password by way of the account menu set access password or ctrl-f12. unless i missed something, it doesn't seem possible to set an account access password in voyager (currently using 5.0.18.3). does anyone know how to do this or if the functionality is missing, why it was left out of voyager? -- regards, m.davidson Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't remove v5
Hello Dwight, On Tuesday, July 26, 2011 you wrote: DC On Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 7:51:30 AM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: DC Kim Komando DC real name is? DC Sorry. I forget sometimes that this list is world-wide. Please see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kim_Komando -- Jack LaRosa Using The Bat! ver: 4.2.44.2. Running Windows XP Pro ver 5 build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't remove v5
On Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 9:16:20 AM, Mark Partous wrote: Hello Dwight, Tuesday, July 26, 2011, 3:36:01 PM, you wrote: DC real name is? ,--/ From Wikipedia \ | Komando was born and raised in New Jersey. According to her show's website, Komando is her actual last name, and is | Russian-Ukrainian.[4] Her father was a businessman. Her mother was part of the team that developed UNIX. | | At 16, she graduated from high school. She went on to attend Arizona State University, graduating at 20 with a degree | in computer information systems. [5] While in school, she trained people to use their computers. | `-8--- I guess that translates into plain language as unknown or maybe uncertain -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com photo blog at http://dcorrin.aminus3.com http://photos.vfxy.com/photoblogs/5882 Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.0.20 on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
