[Request] Add increased verbosity to the log

2020-09-14 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Stefan & All,

Is it possible (...or would it be possible...) to increase verbosity in TB's 
log? Client often gets stuck while trying to establish TLS v1.2 connection.

Thanks.

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Crash when using "Open reply" on sent e-mail

2020-08-31 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello,

1. Select an e-mail in "Sent" folder that is reply to a letter stored _not_ 
   under the main "Inbox" folder.
2. Use either an option in the right-click menu or hit +
3. TheBat! crashes instantly without producing an error message / etc.

POP3 account, OTFP (on-the-fly-encrypted) mail storage.
Can anyone confirm before I create a bug report?


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Re[2]: "To" address line is being over-written while editing

2020-08-02 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Stefan,

Sunday, August 2, 2020, 4:44:13 AM, you wrote:

> Actually, you can adjust it in the preferences - Viewer/Editor -
> Header fields - To/CC/BCC - Complete automatically...

My goal is not to disable autocomplete, but to avoid user input being 
automatically over-written by the ill-mannered software. Picture this:

Scenario #1:
User inputs a text and offered some suggestions from the drop-down menu.

Scenario #2:
User inputs a text that is being automatically replaced by the naive 
matching algorithm.

1st one is the helpful feature while the 2nd one is the hostile behaviour.


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"To" address line is being over-written while editing

2020-08-01 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Steps to reproduce:

1. Select a sent message
2. Use "edit as new"
3. Start adjusting "To" field with an address that is similar to one 
   present in an address book
4. TB silently replaces your edit with one from the address book

Work-around: type address in a text editor and paste into TB field...

Can anyone confirm?


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[9.2.2.1] Toolbar buttons are messed-up after restart

2020-07-28 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello,

Subj. Steps to reproduce

1. Create main toolbar layout as on the screenshot #1
2. Observe the result as on the screenshot #2
3. Restart TheBat!
4. Observe "new" tooldbar layout as on the screenshots #3 and #4

Mantis link: https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=2063


P.S.  Please do not suggest to delete the user preferences again, I have
  done it at least a dozen of times since v9 "release".


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"View messaging history with this person" does nothing

2020-07-26 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello,

Clicking the subj. button does nothing.
Could someone confirm before I fill the bug report?



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Re: v9.2.2 silently crashes on launch

2020-07-26 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello,

Thursday, July 16, 2020, 10:03:24 PM, I wrote:

> After this week's "patch Tuesday", v9.2.2 silently crashes upon launch.

Fixed by:

1. Launching v9.2.X voyager and running it under WinDbg to catch the 
   moment it crashes during import
2. Removing virtual folder which appeared to be a "culprit" under v9.1.X
3. Re-importing account backup without virtual folder under the v9.2.2

RitLabs support was as useless as usual and was unable to provide any
meaningful advice past the standard "have you tried turning it on and
off again?".


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Re[2]: v 9.2.2?

2020-07-16 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Stefan,

Thursday, July 16, 2020, 3:41:51 AM, you wrote:

> most of the problems were fixed for sure as I was experiencing them 
> before the release and do not see them after the release.

That's a well-substantiated statement. To quote MFPA who has sent this 
using v9.2.2:

> My customisation is "show button captions" and moving the "Send +
> Check for All" button to just after "Get New Mail". I still have to
> set "show button captions" each time I restart TB! but the "Send +
> Check for All" button stays where I put it. [...]


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From TheBat! to Thunderbird

2020-07-16 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello,

Just wondering if any fellow TBUDL members have switched and/or using
Thunderbird in parallel. Any best practises to share?

Thinking of exporting each folder as *.mbox, re-importing them all in
Thunderbird and be done with the daily bugs plaguing the e-mail client.


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v9.2.2 does not delete mail on server as scheduled

2020-07-16 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello,

After resurrecting TB!  by reverting back to v9.1.X I have noticed it
has started re-downloading all e-mails again.  This is a well-known bug
and affects number of people at random.  You can find more details at
https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1779.

After logging into the Webmail interface, I have found that TB!  wasn't
deleting old e-mails despite the option "Keep messages on server" being
set to 1 day.

MX is managed by "mailbox.org" which is rather well-known operator and 
so far reported no misconfigurations on their side that would introduce 
such issue (e.g. MTA reporting message as deleted and failing to 
actually remove it from the base).

Feel free to mention support ticket #87842 if you experience the same.


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v9.2.2 silently crashes on launch

2020-07-16 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello,

After this week's "patch Tuesday", v9.2.2 silently crashes upon launch.

Reverted back to v9.1.16 as it seems to work... Minus the toolbars that 
are traditionally broken.

Any confirmations? Created support ticket #87841, feel free to quote.



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Re: v 9.2.2?

2020-07-15 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Susanne,

Wednesday, July 15, 2020, 5:38:02 AM, you wrote:

> Is the toolbar customization problem fixed?

No.


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[v9.2.2.0] Customise toolbar(s) with folders

2020-07-13 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello,

If you are running v9.2.2.0, could you please try to create a custom
folder and add some actions to it? I have tried a few times and observe
the following:

1. Folder is not visible on toolbar even with the icon assigned
2. Actions can't be added under the folder

Screenshot attached.



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Re[2]: Why is TB downloading all server mail and not just new messages?

2020-07-13 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Thomas,

Monday, July 13, 2020, 10:16:21 AM, you wrote:

> Known bug, it happens rarely vbut does happen:

Can confirm, has happened to me twice during the past week.


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Re[2]: Odd Behavior v9.2.1

2020-07-09 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello MFPA,

Thursday, July 9, 2020, 5:55:06 AM, you wrote:

> I find that in v 9.2.1 my menu customisation is lost each time I
> restart TB!.

Same. Hence I have reverted back to the DevExpress builds.


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Re[2]: Collapse all threads

2020-07-05 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Stefan,

Saturday, July 4, 2020, 9:24:49 PM, you wrote:

> Use Ctrl+Shift+ Plus to expand all threads and Ctrl+Shift+Minus to
> collapse all threads, Asterisk toggles the expanded state of all threads.

Thanks, this works. It also collapses date-based threading though, 
perhaps the latter should be excluded?


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Collapse all threads

2020-07-03 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello,

Surely there is a button to collapse all threads... Somewhere. I have 
used "menu navigator", but so far was unable to find one. Any hints?


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v9.2.1.0 / toolbars not saved

2020-07-03 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello,

Subj. says it all.

I remember this being an issue some time ago during the transition to
DevExpress widgets... Solution was to launch TB! with a certain
parameter, decrypt user settings file and nuke a set of relevant lines.

...Does anyone have this recipe handy?..



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Re[2]: Incorrect "reply" highlighting in MicroEd

2020-06-21 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Thomas,

Sunday, June 21, 2020, 12:43:06 PM, you wrote:

> Mine is set to 10 characters (so your example above is not
> highlighted), but you set it to any value that makes sense to you.

Works. Shouldn't there be a more robust detection of the reply symbol?

Currently TheBat seems to use: (.*>.*|^>.*)
How about this instead: (^>\s.*|\w>.*)

Latter would prevent detection of ">" somewhere mid-line.


CC'ing Stefan.


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Incorrect "reply" highlighting in MicroEd

2020-06-20 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello,

This string of text is incorrectly highlighted as reply:

```
X.X. Some text ">" that must not be highlighted as the reply... 
```

Before I create bug report, could someone please confirm?
Screenshot attached.


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Re: Account tree font

2020-06-20 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Jack,

Sunday, June 21, 2020, 8:21:34 AM, you wrote:

> Using TB! 6.0.12
> OS: Win 10 v6 Build: 9200

Are these versions correct?..


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Set default viewer (text/html) on per-folder basis

2020-06-12 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello,

Is there a way to set preferred message view on per-folder basis?

Say mailing lists and some others would default to text and news will 
default to HTML.


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Delete attachments en masse

2020-05-30 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello,

Is there a way to delete attachments from a bunch of messages?
I have checked the "actions", but can't find anything suitable.



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Re[2]: Change "From" field under a single account

2020-05-20 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello MFPA,

Wednesday, May 20, 2020, 7:41:55 AM, you wrote:

> Type in the "from" field of the message editor.

As indicated in the 1st message, this is what I do now.

> One way is to set up "accounts" in The Bat! for the most-used sending
> addresses.

Appreciate the idea, but the 1st sentence of my message was: "How can I
change 'From' field under a single account?"

> When you redirect a message, the From address is still the original
> sender. You may find your outgoing mail server doesn't accept
> redirected messages. 

Thank you for highlighting the difference, it is an important concept.

> If the From address is changed to your address, you are forwarding the
> message instead of redirecting it.

True. Shall adjust my forward template(s) then.


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Change "From" field under a single account

2020-05-18 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello,

How can I change "From" field under a single account?

Picture this:
1. Several domains are pointing to a single MX/MTA
2. I receive and send e-mails for/from using the MX in question

Currently, when in need to send an e-mail from postmaster@, I have to
change "From" field in the "Edit Mail Message" window manually for every 
single message.

Is there a way to add most used addresses so they show in the drop-down
list?

And what about "Redirect" function? Its window has no option to edit
"From" at all.


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Re[2]: Header field larger or smaller than X

2020-05-17 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello MFPA,

Sunday, May 17, 2020, 11:22:49 PM, you wrote:

> I was thinking of the macros you use in message templates, etc.

Excuse me, how is this relevant to the question asked?

> Try an internet search for: regex "number greater than"

Have tried. I am mostly used to PCRE which is (AFAIK!) does not allow
direct comparison. One can start looping over [1-9], etc. but I am not 
sure of performance implications on TheBat! as well as sheer 
possibility of it.

> Or if the header field is a spam score, see if the tool can prefix the
> subject with a string (or put the string in a custom header) and match
> that string in your filter.

I can't modify the tool.


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Re[2]: Header field larger or smaller than X

2020-05-16 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello MFPA,

Saturday, May 16, 2020, 2:52:29 AM, you wrote:

> If you mean the value of a specific header field is greater or smaller 
> than "X", maybe the %IF or %IFN macro?

Could you please clarify? Would you use it via "matches all as RegExp" 
selector?

Screenshot attached (hopefully will work after Marck has changed 
something on server's side).


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Re[2]: Header field larger or smaller than X

2020-05-15 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Jack,

Friday, May 15, 2020, 12:07:31 AM, you wrote:

> There was no attachment.

Here we go, 2Kb file: https://i.imgur.com/6BtdEB5.png

Marck, could you please check on your (aka server's) end?


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Header field larger or smaller than X

2020-05-14 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello,

Is there a way to test if header field is greater or smaller than "X"?

Attaching screenshot of the current "solution" which is obviously
non-optimal and tedious to maintain if the range of values is large.



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Re[2]: The message's content type was not explicitly allowed

2020-05-11 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello MAU,

Monday, May 11, 2020, 8:52:27 PM, you wrote:

> ,- [ Here you are ]
> | Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8
> | Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> `-

...and which macros is that? :)


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Re[2]: Strip greetings when replying

2020-05-11 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Marck,

Monday, May 11, 2020, 8:53:20 PM, you wrote:

> There  are  2  more  QTs you need to complete the set for this to work
> properly.

Thanks, done. I wonder how you include it, on folder or account level? I 
have tested as the reply template for a folder - works fine now.

Have to check if this handy "styled-with-initials" kind of response is 
RFC'd / supported by others.


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Re[2]: Strip greetings when replying

2020-05-11 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Marck,

Monday, May 11, 2020, 8:08:00 PM, you wrote:

> ,--/ Initials \--

Getting there! Surprisingly, it returns ">Cfa" for all senders. Is this
a normal PCRE? 

Before I dig into it, is there a syntax highlighting for TB macros
available? VIM, Notepad++, etc...

Lastly, from a quick look, \5 group is unnecessary as it matches the
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Re[2]: Strip greetings when replying

2020-05-11 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Marck,

Monday, May 11, 2020, 7:47:40 PM, you wrote:

> ,--/ I use this very mature example \--

Not bad! Unfortunately does not work on HTML and returns
```
Cannot find a quick template "Initials"
```

P.S. After using this Macro, TheBat! decided to re-download all mail. 
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Strip greetings when replying

2020-05-11 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello,

How do *you* automatically detect and remove "greetings line" when 
replying to a message?

I would think of %SETPATTREGEXP manipulation, but surely there are some
ready-made recipes out there.


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Re[2]: Future of TB* mailing lists

2020-05-10 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello MFPA,

Sunday, May 10, 2020, 9:49:05 PM, you wrote:

> Would that lead to more help for ordinary users' TB! issues? Or would
> their messages simply get lost among all the beta testers' messages?
> It would certainly be massively increased traffic compared to the
> current TBUDL, and most TBBETA traffic is likely not relevant to the
> needs of most current TBUDL users.

Fair point. I was looking at this from the viewpoint of current traffic
levels which are rather low.

> Why do they need their own domain?

They don't _need_ own domain, this is from the "improvement" category.

> They are perfectly fine where Marck currently hosts them at
> silverstones.com.

What if Marck is being hit by the car and server lease is not renewed?
Same goes for domain name, etc.

> And many mailing lists are perfectly fine at one of the mailing list
> hosts such as groups.io, etc.

groups.io:
- "your own domain" is a $200/month option.

Next?

> Silverstones.com does have HTTPS, with a self-signed certificate.

Which defies its purpose... How about LetsEncrypt that is free and easy
to deploy?

> I thought that had been done a few years back at something called The 
> Bat User Documentation Project (TBUDP) but I can't find a link at the 
> moment.

Good examples:
- Claws: https://www.claws-mail.org/faq/index.php/Main_Page
- Thunderbird: https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/products/thunderbird
   

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Re[2]: Reply all quoting selected text

2020-05-10 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Gunivortus,

Sunday, May 10, 2020, 5:16:43 PM, you wrote:

> I don't have that option between 'Reply to All' and 'Forward'.

I wonder why... Perhaps try messaging RitLabs support directly?
It is available by default.


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Future of TB* mailing lists

2020-05-09 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello All,

It is 2020 out there and TB mailing lists seem to be a little outdated.

Screenshots being stripped from the messages unless it all fits in 25Kb,
famous "Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information" footer
attached to all messages... Perhaps it is time for a maintenance?

Things that come to mind, in no particular order:

* Increase size limits for attachments.
* Remove or, at very least, update "current version" footer.
* Consider merging TDUDL/TBBETA into one.
* Move mailing lists homepage to a separate domain.
* Modernise lists website, enable HTTPs.
* Ensure lists historical data is available and easily exportable.
* Collate available TheBat! documentation / FAQs / Tips.
* etc.

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Re[2]: Reply all quoting selected text

2020-05-09 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Thomas,

Sunday, May 10, 2020, 11:27:45 AM, you wrote:

> Your contect menu is different from mine. What viwer/editor do you
> use? I use MicroEd.

MicroEd, v9.1.18. No changes made to the menu on my side.


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Re[2]: Reply all quoting selected text

2020-05-09 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello MAU,

Sunday, May 10, 2020, 6:07:47 AM, you wrote:

> Sorry,   no   attachment.   Can   you   upload   the   screenshot   to
> http://www.canyonero.com/ and send the link? thanks a lot.

Here we go: https://i.imgur.com/YoFRdGV.png


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Re[2]: Reply all quoting selected text

2020-05-09 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Miguel,

Saturday, May 9, 2020, 5:45:04 PM, you wrote:

> Excuse my ignorance and/or blindness. Where can I find that option?

Please refer to the screenshot attached.


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Re[2]: Reply all quoting selected text

2020-05-03 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Susanne,

Monday, May 4, 2020, 8:18:02 AM, you wrote:

> If there are both html and text available, it doesn't work in text view.

I have tried the same action here and it works. Perhaps try on another 
message to be sure? Also, are you using v9.1.18?

> By the way, is there a short cut for "reply using selected text",
> since I can't currently create a button for that?

Right click on any toolbar --> Customize --> Shortcuts.



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Re[2]: Reply all quoting selected text

2020-05-03 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Susanne,

Monday, May 4, 2020, 2:55:41 AM, you wrote:

> Sorry, it's actually the exact opposite. 
> Works in Html view, but not in Text.

Just tried using v9.1.18, works fine.

Check that you are not using regular "reply using selected text as the 
quote" function, one that is on F4 by default.


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Re[2]: Ritlabs Website down?

2020-04-18 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Susanne,

Sunday, April 19, 2020, 12:35:49 AM, you wrote:

> Thanks for checking!
> I just discovered that I can reach the site on my phone, when not using my 
> home network.
> Deleting cookies, restarting pc, and turning off virus protection have not 
> helped.
> Very strange. Will have to do some reading why one particular website seems 
> to be blocked for me.

(Assuming you run Windows)
Try `nslookup.exe www.ritlabs.com` in PowerShell window, what does it 
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Re: Ritlabs Website down?

2020-04-18 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Susanne,

Sunday, April 19, 2020, 12:22:04 AM, you wrote:

>   since yesterday, I haven't been able to access the Ritlabs site.
>   Tried 2 different browsers.
>   
>   Is anyone else having this problem?

Seems to be up:

> $ http --headers https://www.ritlabs.com | head -1
> HTTP/1.1 302 Found

...Also opens in www-browser.


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Re[2]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-16 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Thomas,

Thursday, April 16, 2020, 7:54:41 PM, you wrote:

> This is getting off-topic. Anyway, I am not a beta tester for Windows,
> and the update is automatic. I am not following the Win10 version
> numbers and never had a desire to go back to any beta version before
> the release version that I am using. There is absolutely no reason to
> go back to a beta version that is older than the release version you
> are using, is there?

I agree with the "off-topic" statement. Let's say we have our
differences, which is fine, as both approaches have right for existence.


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Re[2]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-16 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Thomas,

Thursday, April 16, 2020, 10:40:58 AM, you wrote:

> There is never a reason for someone who is not a beta tester to
> download any beta version.

> Once the release version is out, there is no need to revert back to a
> beta version.

Those are rather broad statements.

> Message reply created with The Bat! Version 9.1.14 (64-bit)
> under Windows 10.0 Build 18362

Following the logic from above, how come you are not running the latest 
stable Windows? Build 18362 is neither most recent one nor LTSC.


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Re[2]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-14 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Thomas,

Tuesday, April 14, 2020, 7:57:55 PM, you wrote:

> Good to hear. Don't download from unauthrotised sites.

Generally good advice, however in this case it would be prudent to 
actually look at the content.

> Here are the release versions:
> https://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/archive-versions.php
> The release version of v8 was issued after *all* the betas for v8. Why
> you want to download a beta version with bugs that there fixed in the
> release is beyond me.

Was it? Let's check the signatures: v8.8.9 was signed on June 5th, while
v8.8.9.12 on 8th of September. That is ~3 months difference. Screenshot
attached. Lastly, one can simply check the history of this mailing list.

> If you are interested in contributing to beta testing though, it will
> be better to subscribe to TBBETA and get the versions from Ritlabs
> rather than from some unauthorised sites where you don't know what you
> actually download.

v8.8.9.12 files were removed from RT's website, that is the only reason I 
have provided those links.


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Re[5]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-14 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Luca,

Tuesday, April 14, 2020, 7:50:31 PM, you wrote:

> It won't work! A new 8.x release should be issued to solve the problem. I
> cannot see any on the beta list.

Ah, that was a thread re. TLS issues. Pardon.


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Re[4]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-11 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Paul,

Saturday, April 11, 2020, 9:08:37 PM, you wrote:

> It is a "where is the horse" issue.

Precisely.


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Re[2]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-11 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Thomas,

Saturday, April 11, 2020, 8:35:35 PM, you wrote:

> There are newer betas... ;-)

of v8? Please share.


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Re[2]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-10 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Thomas,

Saturday, April 11, 2020, 1:58:28 PM, you wrote:

> Why would you want to download an old beta version?

Because newer "release" version is not production ready. Check all the 
complains about UI in v9 branch posted to this list in the past weeks.


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Re[2]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-10 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Thomas,

Saturday, April 11, 2020, 1:19:35 PM, you wrote:

> May I suggest to not download beta versions from any unauthorised
> sites. If you want to use beta versions, please become a member of the
> TBBETA discussion group and downlaod the official betas from the
> Ritlabs website only.

While "do not download unknown binaries" is generally a good advice,
these files were removed from RitLabs website.

One can check if executable is signed, from PS:


$ Get-AuthenticodeSignature .\thebat64.exe

Directory: C:\Program Files\Bat8

SignerCertificate Status   Path
- --   
6F03CB38881E1E96784B7F00403CC356BA43A839  Validthebat64.exe


or, by right-clicking on the binary and selecting "Properties --> 
Digital Signatures".

Lastly, submitting file to https://virustotal.com can shed some light.


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TheBat does not use ASLR?

2020-04-10 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello,

Under "features" section, RitLabs claims:

> The Bat! uses Windows Address Space Layout Randomization (ASLR) and
> Data Execution Prevention (DEP) to protect your computer from viruses
> and malware spread via email.

However, looking at executable, it sits at the default image address
(0x0040) and ProcessExplorer reports ASLR being disabled.

Is this a one-off glitch that has occurred while linking a specific
build, me looking in wrong places or a false advertisement? Have filled
the ticket with RitLabs, let's see what comes back.

Screenshot: https://i.imgur.com/rrLA9uG.png
(I would gladly attach it to the letter if not 25Kb message body limit)


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Re: Column width / UI bugs

2020-04-10 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello All,

Friday, April 10, 2020, 12:13:02 AM, I wrote:

> [2] Column width is constantly changing when switching between folders 
> that share the same "View Mode". I have no logical explanation here.

Possible workarounds, either:
 A) Create new viewing mode for each folder
 B) Set "limit expansion of the first column" to 1.

 
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Re[3]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-09 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Paul,

Friday, April 10, 2020, 7:43:01 AM, you wrote:

>>> I'm comfy with the late v.8, I would appreciate very much if I could 
>>> downgrade
>>> and keep on with that while v.9 grows mature.

S>> I wholeheartedly agree!
S>> The customization, where even available, doesn't stick. It reverts
S>> back to the default after each restart!

> The behavior is the same here.

Latest v8 beta available in public:
https://mega.nz/file/JktHDQDT#zki2R-F6loABaYNkKeVa_H5nPtPt4Wg9QaMEUDH9KSk
http://uploaded.net/file/gvpoinfr




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Column width / UI bugs

2020-04-09 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello,

I am fighting the battle with the quirks of TheBat! interface and it
seems like I am not exactly winning here.

The interface is not adaptive and riddled with tiny annoying glitches 
that get on your nerves daily. I am aware of the "switch to summary view"
option, that is not it.

If I have to summarise, the most annoying ones are:

[1] Lack of "automatic" width scaling. Ever used Total Commander? Does
not matter what windows size is, there are no ugly gaps on the sides.
  
If window is resized, TC would automatically adjust width of the
"Name" column while leaving Date/Extension/Size the same. If window 
is resized back to its initial scale - TC returns to precisely the 
same layout without user's intervention. Logical? Yes, very much so.

What TheBat offers instead? You have guessed it right, horizontal
scroller...
  
[2] Column width is constantly changing when switching between folders 
that share the same "View Mode". I have no logical explanation here. 

Have tried to delete all custom views and set two folders to the "No 
View Mode" setting - still the same, width of columns changes 
seemingly at random.

[3] Daily "access violation" errors. Most of them refer to thebat64.exe
attempting to utilize non-existing object (reading FF/00).
Logs and screenshots submitted to Mantis.

While I do not want to complain, this situation leaves me questioning
own life choices.

I have paid for a commercial software in hope it will offer certain
advantages over an open-source and free-as-in-beer MUA* I have been
using previously.

To the day, it has been a fight with non-operational GPG (v8 builds),
appalling testing of releases (or lack thereof) and above-mentioned
interface nuisances.


* Claws Mail.

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Cleartext leaks in encrypted TheBat! setup

2020-03-29 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello,

If someone is running TheBat! with master password enabled, could you
please check:

1. $MAILDIR/UserDics contains *.udc files with unencrypted user 
dictionaries (words added to the dict.)

2. $MAILDIR location and username in .TBK backup are stored in 
cleartext. Try `string *.TBK* | head -20` to see it somewhere at the 
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Re[2]: encrypting messages

2020-03-27 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Christopher,

Saturday, March 28, 2020, 11:33:06 AM, you wrote:

> I've never used it, nor do I know if The Bat! can use this mode let
> alone it's compatibility with other email clients.

Possible with clients that support easy(ish) passing of key-data 
handling to pinentry.

Also, I should have added -a flag to the command so that output is 
ASCII, e.g. `gpg -o encrypted -ac cleartext`


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Re[2]: encrypting messages

2020-03-27 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Christopher,

Thank you for the well-constructed and informative message, I just
wanted to add one small point to the below:

>> What I would like to be able to do is send password-protected
>> messages that can only be opened by the receiving party who has the
>> password. Is that what this process does?

> Neither S/MIME encryption nor Open PGP encryption password protect a
> message. (Encryption doesn't require password protection, and
> password protection doesn't imply encryption.)

> S/MIME and Open PGP use asymmetric cryptography (public & private
> keys). There is no "shared secret" or password between the two of you.

> A shared password would be a use of symmetric cryptography. I'm not
> aware of an email encryption standard that uses symmetric cryptography.

It is *technically* possible to use GPG in symmetric mode for messaging 
purposes.

```
$ echo "Hello World" > cleartext
$ gpg -o encrypted -c cleartext
```

...Then one needs to wrap the routine above into something palatable for
e-mail usage. I could imagine doing it with (neo)mutt et al., but not
with TheBat.


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Change HTML templates

2020-02-22 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello,

Where can I change things like a font declaration in HTML message and 
CSS styling of reply (by default -  with #ff border) ?

I am aware of Account Properties --> Templates and Viewer templates, but 
using these I can tweak only plain-text representaiton, surely HTML is 
adjustable... Somewhere.


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Sync SmartBat with CalDav server or Windows Calendar

2020-02-22 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello,

I am unsure as to how many of us actually use SmartBat for scheduling, 
but wouldn't it be neat to sync it with an external CalDav or "Windows 
Calendar"?

I have looked around and it seems like such option is currently not
available.

@Ritlabs,
Was this ever requested / discussed / on roadmap?


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Re: Automatically close tabs upon clearing "quick search" field

2019-10-21 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Andrew,

Sunday, October 20, 2019, 10:56:30 PM, you wrote:

> * Is anyone aware of a way to disable automatic tabs creation?
> * ...or maybe there is a way to close them all automatically?
> * ...or (as the last resort) create a hotkey that nukes them all?

Two things:

1. Screenshots are (apparently) stripped from the messages posted to 
this list.

2. Somewhat desirable behaviour can be achieved by disabling tabs
altogether. Then, clearing "Quick Search" returns view to the message
list and temporarily created tabs survive only until TheBat is restarted.

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Automatically close tabs upon clearing "quick search" field

2019-10-20 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello All,

Every time I search for something using a "Quick Search" toolbar,
small tab with the results appears underneath the message list.

Those tabs are not deleted automatically and stay there as a useless
reminder of past attempts to find something. Worse, entering new text
in the "Quick Search" creates a search-within-a-search scenario.
Similar to "cat blah | grep something | grep whatever" in a shell.

Questions:
* Is anyone aware of a way to disable automatic tabs creation?
* ...or maybe there is a way to close them all automatically?
* ...or (as the last resort) create a hotkey that nukes them all?

Checked the settings, not much in there. Screenshot attached.


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Synchronize with Windows contacts

2019-10-16 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Windows 10 has default contacts location set to ~/Contacts

Has anyone came across a way to synchronize Bat's contacts with the
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[Feature] Tabs support

2019-10-14 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Greetings,

As an avid Zimbra user (as well the TheBat user!), I wonder if anyone 
else is missing "tabs" in the interface?

Imagine fairly typical situation: you are working on several letters at the 
same 
time and need to quickly skim through something in the Inbox.

On *nix, one could use tiling WM and Claws to create nested layout.
Or just use Thunderbird. Zimbra offers tabs out of the box.
TheBat...  As far as I can tell, tabs are not supported.

Here is the ticket in Mantis, please feel free to upvote:
https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1826


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Re: Automatically stretch columns in the message list

2019-10-06 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello MFPA,

Sunday, October 6, 2019, 3:41:41 AM, you wrote:

>> Good to know... Here is the same image:
>> https://i.imgur.com/nYgAZfH.png

> If it's always about the same amount of space, you could alter the 
> column widths (or add extra columns to the display).

I was looking for an option that specifically allows to flexibly 
resize application's main window. There is "switch to summary view", 
but that's not exactly the same as non-existent "keep columns ratio 
while resizing".

I have created support ticket with Ritlabs on 10/06/2019, but no reply 
yet. Hopefully mr.Petrari has passed it to developers and they will 
consider it for v9.X branch.




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Re: Automatically stretch columns in the message list

2019-10-03 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello MFPA,

Friday, October 4, 2019, 8:34:38 AM, you wrote:

>> Is there a way to make column(s) automatically fill
>> the horizontal
>> space of the message list? 

> Not that I know of.

Ok, created support request with Ritlabs...

>> Please see the screenshot
>> attached.  

> I'm not sure the list allows attachments. None received here.

Good to know... Here is the same image: https://i.imgur.com/nYgAZfH.png




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Automatically stretch columns in the message list

2019-10-01 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello,

Is there a way to make column(s) automatically fill the horizontal
space of the message list? Please see the screenshot attached.


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Re: CTRL+Z

2019-09-13 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello MFPA,

Friday, September 13, 2019, 4:16:03 AM, you wrote:

> Immediately after deleting several messages one at a time, I would
> expect Ctrl+Z to restore the last one deleted, then another Ctrl+Z to
> restore the previous one deleted, and so on until no further actions
> are stored to undo.

Telepathy in action; exactly my thoughts.



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Re: CTRL+Z

2019-09-12 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello MFPA,

Thursday, September 12, 2019, 3:59:15 AM, you wrote:

> The browse deleted messages and undelete function is neat. But not so 
> intuitive as a simple CTRL+Z.

Precisely!



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Re: CTRL+Z

2019-09-11 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello MAU,

Wednesday, September 11, 2019, 1:28:03 AM, you wrote:

> Hello Andrew,

>> CTRL-Z is a mnemonic for "Undo". I was expecting that it would undo 
>> the deletion and move message back to where it was.

> And it works as such when you are in the Editor window.

> When  you  delete  a  message,  at least with POP accounts (don't know
> about  IMAP)  it  is actually just "marked for deletion" and it is not
> moved to Trash. When you delete messages in a folder, you can actually
> see  them  if   you  select "Folder/Browse deleted messages" from the
> main  menu. Then, deleted messages (marked for deletion) are displayed
> with  a  "strike  through"  line.  You can then select any of them and
> click 'Undelete' from the right click context menu.

Interesting, didn't know such function exists. Executed on "Inbox"
with a multitude of subfolders, it shows messages from the root _and_
all child nodes. Is it possible to restrict it to currently selected 
folder only?

I use POP3 if it matters.


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Re: CTRL+Z

2019-09-10 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Thomas,

Tuesday, September 10, 2019, 8:19:15 PM, you wrote:

> Hello Andrew,

> On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 20:14:01 +0930 GMT (10-Sep-19, 17:44 +0700 GMT),
> Andrew Savchenko wrote:

>> Hi,

>> Is that something weird on my end or TheBat! does not support CTRL+Z
>> for deleted messages?.. Deleted as moved into "Trash", not wiped.

> I use the DEL key for that. Only one key instead of a key-combo.

CTRL-Z is a mnemonic for "Undo". I was expecting that it would undo 
the deletion and move message back to where it was.



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CTRL+Z

2019-09-10 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hi,

Is that something weird on my end or TheBat! does not support CTRL+Z 
for deleted messages?.. Deleted as moved into "Trash", not wiped.


Thanks.



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Re: Sig cutoff

2019-09-06 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello Jack,

Sunday, September 1, 2019, 8:39:48 AM, you wrote:

> I just noticed that the sig cutoff "-- " doesn't seem to work when I reply, or
> maybe I am not understanding what it's for.

I am admittedly late to the party, but... How do you turn on the 
signature cut-off? :)



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TheBat! development pace, RitLabs support, Bugs.

2019-07-30 Thread Andrew Savchenko
Hello All,

I am evaluating TheBat for a bit more than a week and, so far, have
mixed feelings. While software certainly has a sheer amount of
user-exposed functions and allows fair amount of adaption for a
particular workflow, there are bugs that make me question QC process
at RitLabs. Concerning the latter, reading "Credits" dialog, company
seems to consist of /approximately/ 5 people:

> Analytics, Testing and Support:
> Alexandr Petrari, Julia Buzmacova, Ecaterina Dubceac.
> Programming (version 8): Maxim Masiutin, Andrei Sliusarenco.

2 developers, 3 in operations. Ok, no panic, please. They've been in
business when some of the fellow members were still attending a high
school.

However, certain issues make me wonder about priorities. Some examples:

0001793: Message corruption if private key is not available for automatic 
decryption
0001794: Having space before ">" symbol prevents TheBat from recognizing line 
as the quote
0001795: Signature is stripped after "Decrypt message" action
0001799: TheBat! does not work with GnuPG keychain
0001792: Do not add "(decrypted)" to the subject line

Numbers are from the Mantis tracker. And this is after a week of
usage. I understand that development team (two developers?) are busy
shipping the version 9, but some of the reported bugs might belong to
the "showstopper" category and others, like #1792 or #1794 should be
fairly trivial to fix.

Therefore, my questions are:

1. Is there a model of community engagement and some transparency to
the development process? Mantis looks almost completely abandoned.
Another user responds at https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1798#c5381,
"That is a missing feature since many many years" and this passage
receives zero feedback from "Analytics, Testing and Support".

2. Does anyones have a reliable communication channel with the office
in Chisinau?

3. If the answer to the question directly above is "Yes", - have you
been successful in having a chat with mr.Masiutin regarding the
future?

I would _love_ to see TheBat! as the successful MUA and willing to
tolerate its commercial nature, but it implies having reliable support
from the company that stands by their own product. Otherwise, safer
bet would be to go with the OpenSource solutions (Claws, Thunderbird,
etc) where community is active, developers are within the reach and
fixing the bug can be achieved by either helping others or submitting
a pull request by oneself.


Yours truly,
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