Re: Changing keyboard shortcuts
On Monday, October 26, 2015, 10:50:12 AM, MAU wrote: > Yes, it is changeable. These are the steps to do it: > 1.- Open a text editor window (i.e. new message) > 2.- Right click on the toolbar and select 'Customise' I wouldn't have thought to right-click the toolbar, and would have floundered amongst all the subsequent options. Your instructions are *admirably* clear. Many thanks! > HTH. It certainly does! As I wrote to Jack, it's a pity these answers aren't collected into some kind of Wiki or Evernote-style knowledge base. -- Regards, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v6.8.8 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current version is 6.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Changing keyboard shortcuts
On Monday, October 26, 2015, 1:32:51 PM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: M>> Yes, it is changeable. These are the steps to do it: > See Robert, whaddi tellya. Best tech support in the world. Yes, indeed :) There are clearly gaps in the Help file; pity these nuggets aren't collected into some kind of knowledge base. -- Regards, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v6.8.8 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current version is 6.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Changing keyboard shortcuts
I keep hitting Ctrl+Space accidentally when in the message editor, bringing up the "Select Quick Template" dialog when I don't want it, and wish to change the shortcut to something else. Help says - The Shortcut Editor is available in most of The Bat!'s non-modal windows (such as main window, separate message browser, address book, message editor) - you can invoke it by using the View|Edit Shortcuts menu command of any of such window. - but I can't see such an entry under any View menu I've looked at. Suggestions - please? -- Regards, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v6.8.8 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current version is 6.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Session log Version 6
On Tuesday, November 18, 2014, 9:29:31 PM, MFPA wrote: is there a log that shows all the activity for all accounts in one place I think an overview that showed the last send error and the last receive error for each account would be useful. I thoroughly agree; an all-account overview is badly needed. Please, Ritlabs? -- Regards, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v6.7.2 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current version is 6.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Character sets
I just had a phishing attempt and wanted to forward it to PayPal. When I went to send it, I got this: --- Edit Mail Message - sp...@paypal.com --- The message characters that cannot be encoded using currently selected Windows-1252 character set. Please use Windows-1250. --- OK --- How do I select the right character set, please? If I'm in the message editor and hit Options - Character set I get plenty of options, but nothing I recognise as Windows-1250. -- Thanks in anticipation, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v6.4.0.2 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Character sets
On Friday, May 2, 2014, 9:02:07 PM, MFPA wrote: How do I select the right character set, please? If Options | Preferemces | Other Options | Character Sets (XLAT) You will have ticks in some of the boxes, and hopefully those correspond to the descriptions you get to choose from when you hit Options | Character Set. Windows-1250 is described as Central European (Windows) here. Yes! Clearly visible. Many thanks. I was only looking at Options under the message forwarding screen, not Options from TB's main window. But does it not work if you select Unicode (UTF-8)? Yes! I didn't think to try that before, but as it worked, didn't (this time) need to check Windows-1250 after all. Many thanks, especially for your speedy response. -- Regards, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v6.4.0.2 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: GMX mailboxes not working in TB 6.4.0.2?
On Monday, April 28, 2014, 9:56:18 AM, MFPA wrote: Stopped sending as well, or only stopped receiving? I didn't think to check sending... My initial guess was TLS certificate issues, but the log for your This could well be right, at least for GMX.com. re-entering passwords. And maybe logging into the GMX website in case there was anything relevant there. Their log-in is horrible; can't seem to drag-and-drop from KeePass, for example. I couldn't get in, which should have told me more than it did. Because, today everything works, including, after your reminder, sending. So I suppose it was just a GMX glitch that coincided with my updating TB. -- Thanks,, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v6.4.0.2 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: GMX mailboxes not working in TB 6.4.0.2?
On Monday, April 28, 2014, 12:07:16 PM, Peter Meyns wrote: I don't think it is a problem of the new version of The Bat!. It works fine with gmx.net. There may be a problem with the certificate of gmx.com. Bah, humbug. It works properly today. You were probably right about the certificate for GMX.com, which I connect to rather than GMX.net. I'm left puzzled about why several other programs worked when TB didn't. Apologies for impatiently raising a false report, though as the problem coincided with my TB update, its source wasn't transparently obvious. -- Regards, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v6.4.0.2 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
GMX mailboxes not working in TB 6.4.0.2?
I just today updated to TB 6.4.0.2 (registered), since when my GMX mailboxes have stopped working. I presume this is a TB problem because I can still access them with nPOPuk, and everything was working before. Has anyone else seen this? Extract of one log file: 27/04/2014, 22:03:48: FETCH - receiving mail messages 27/04/2014, 22:03:48: FETCH - Connecting to POP3 server pop.gmx.com on port 110 !27/04/2014, 22:04:10: FETCH - Connect failed And on the other mailbox: 27/04/2014, 22:09:40: FETCH - Connecting to POP3 server pop.gmx.com on port 995 27/04/2014, 22:09:40: FETCH - Initiating TLS handshake !27/04/2014, 22:10:01: FETCH - TLS handshake failure. Connect failed -- Regards, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v6.4.0.2 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: GMX mailboxes not working in TB 6.4.0.2?
On Sunday, April 27, 2014, 10:15:44 PM, Robert Bull wrote: I just today updated to TB 6.4.0.2 (registered), since when my GMX mailboxes have stopped working. I presume this is a TB problem because I can still access them with nPOPuk, and everything was Magic Mail Monitor and Opera's mail client both work, too. -- Regards, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v6.4.0.2 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Expanding threads problems
Help says, under topic Threading: To expand all threads in a folder message list press Shift+Ctrl+*. To expand / collapse all branches of the current thread, use Shift+Ctrl+Plus/Minus. To expand and collapse threads use Plus/Minus and to toggle threads explanded or collapsed you can use Shift+Space, Ctrl+Space or Alt+Space. This doesn't fully work for me. Maybe this is because of using a laptop with keyboard overlay (with extra function key) for numeric keypad, and the kb may or may not be UK layout, so I might need different scancodes. What I see is: 1) Shift+Ctrl+Plus behaves identically with Shift+Ctrl+*, i.e., expands *all* threads, not just the one under the cursor. 2) None of Shift+Space, Ctrl+Space or Alt+Space work. All invoke the standard Windows Alt+Space menu for the current window (Restore, Move, Size, Minimize, Maximise, Close). Space on its own appears to work like Plus, but moves the cursor down a line each time, which Plus doesn't. 3) Plus/Minus partially works. If I put the cursor on a top-level node and press Plus, it will show the child nodes, but not necessarily open the grandchild nodes. Whether that happens or no seems to depend on how they were left last time. If the grandchild nodes were open, then Plus on the top-level opens them, but if they weren't, it doesn't, so I repeatedly have to use Plus on the next level down. I'd like a way to expand/collapse all nodes of the current thread, regardless of how the nodes were left last time, and also for Help to match what I see, or at least to explain why I don't seem to see what I think it's saying. Please can anyone confirm what I'm seeing? Have I misunderstood something? -- Thanks, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v6.3.2 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Search puzzle
On Monday, January 20, 2014, 11:12:57 AM, MAU wrote: From what you say, it looks like you are using the 'Web-Like' mode of the Message Finder. Have you tried the 'Simple' or 'Advanced' modes (which you can choose on the right) and see if that makes any difference? You're right, I've been using the 'Web-like' mode. Either I'd forgotten, or more likely never knew, the other modes, so thanks for that. But... I still can't find the message I was looking for with either 'Simple' or 'Advanced.' To be more specific than in my OP, and following your pointers, I just tabbed into the 'Sent' folder, pressed Ctrl+F, and Message Finder came up with the 'Sent' sub-folder ticked and everything else unticked. I chose 'Simple' (search type). In the drop-downs I chose 'Recipient' and 'contains,' typed map (without quotes; part of the target e-mail recipient's address is onthemap)) in the unlabelled search text box, checked all boxes in the Advanced tab remained unticked, clicked Start, and got nothing. I did a few more similar tests; TB finds some strings readily, others it can't seem to see at all. Yet Quick Search works like a charm. -- Regards, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v6.2.4 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Search puzzle
I wanted to search for messages I'd sent to the editors of our parish magazine. I went to the relevant account's Sent folder and pressed Ctrl+F (F7 works as well) to invoke the Message Finder. I checked the Sent folder was ticked in the Look in: Selected folders list. TB didn't retrieve any such message, even with Scope - Everywhere. Yet, when I tried find-as-you-type Quick Search, then Enter, all such messages appeared. Please, what have I failed to understand about Message Finder? Minor suggestion - on the Message Finder screen, there's a box to tick for scope = Everywhere. Maybe that should be a toggle, to bulk untick as well. -- Regards, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v6.2.4 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Yahoo UK SMTP problem
On Wednesday, December 18, 2013, 8:30:55 AM, Peter Meyns wrote: Some providers, like German Telekom and obviously Yahoo UK, have decided to use the old (you can also call it obsolete) SSL 3.0 encryption standard in order to increase security. Ritlabs - grinding their teeth - have agreed to implement it in the upcoming release version of The Bat! which is supposed to be available this week. Looks like those features have now been added in TB 6.1.4; see What's New dated 12/20/2013, which notes, in part: - New features TLS 1.1 SSL 3.0 [...] Improvements Faster message retrieval over POP3 with large volumes of messages kept on the [...] Fixes TLS connections with some servers didn't work. - Apart from my send problem, solved by MFPA, I shall be particularly interested in faster message retrieval. I've found TB's relatively slow pick-up frustrating, compared to the rapidity of some other programs. -- Regards, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v6.1.4 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Yahoo UK SMTP problem
On Wednesday, December 18, 2013, 8:30:55 AM, Peter Meyns wrote: Hi, on Wed, 18 Dec 2013 00:01:31 +GMT (18.12.2013, 01:01 +0100GMT here), Robert Bull wrote: RB Two of my e-mail addresses are with Yahoo! UK, which allows POP3 RB access. Until recently YUK has used plain transport and everything RB worked fine, but recently they changed to requiring SSL. RB ... Some providers, like German Telekom and obviously Yahoo UK, have decided to use the old (you can also call it obsolete) SSL 3.0 encryption standard in order to increase security. Ritlabs - grinding their teeth - have agreed to implement it in the upcoming release version of The Bat! which is supposed to be available this week. -- Regards, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v6.1.4 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Yahoo UK SMTP problem
On Sunday, December 22, 2013, 8:16:20 PM, Robert Bull wrote: On Wednesday, December 18, 2013, 8:30:55 AM, Peter Meyns wrote: Sorry, don't know how I sent a blank reply, fumble fingers I suppose. -- Regards, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v6.1.4 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Yahoo UK SMTP problem
On Thursday, December 19, 2013, 12:54:39 AM, MFPA wrote: The following SMTP settings work for one of my @yahoo.uk accounts:- SMTP Server: smtp.mail.yahoo.co.uk Connection: Secure to regular port STARTTLS Port: 587 Authentication: Perform SMTP Authorisation (RFC 2554) same user/password as for mail retreival This seems to work for me, too. Many thanks! :) One test msg got lost in the electronic ether, but other test msgs were sent and rec'd correctly. I no longer get the error messages on attempted send. Thanks again, -- Regards, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v6.1.0.2 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Yahoo UK SMTP problem
On Wednesday, December 18, 2013, 9:36:01 AM, Peter Meyns wrote: PM Some providers, like German Telekom and obviously Yahoo UK, have PM decided to use the old (you can also call it obsolete) SSL 3.0 PM I overlooked that it is already released: http://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_pro_6-1-0-2.msi Thanks for the pointer! But... it's not only a paid upgrade for me (I did), but it suffers from the same problem :(( So, either RITlabs didn't fix the problem in this version, or, much more likely, Yahoo! UK caused some *other* obstacle to progress. I received an automated acknowledgement of a submission for help to Yahoo Customer Care 48 hours ago, but so far, no actual help. Maybe I'll have to contact RITlabs direct. -- Regards, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v6.1.0.2 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Yahoo UK SMTP problem
On Wednesday, December 18, 2013, 3:28:28 PM, Chris Wilson wrote: So, is there any pertinent logging we can use to help fix these sort of problems? Logging to some extent is automatic - press Shift+Control+A and you get something like ( some lines wrapped): 18/12/2013, 14:27:10: SEND - Connecting to SMTP server smtp.mail.yahoo.co.uk on port 465 18/12/2013, 14:27:10: SEND - Initiating TLS handshake 18/12/2013, 14:27:10: SEND - Certificate S/N: 07AAB97C578AA62B8A9BBFB148D0FE88, algorithm: RSA (2048 bits), issued from 5/30/2012 to 6/4/2014 12:00:00 PM, for 25 host(s): smtp.mail.yahoo.com, *.smtp.mail.yahoo.com, smtp.mail.yahoo.com.ar, smtp.mail.yahoo.com.au, smtp.mail.yahoo.com.br, smtp.mail.yahoo.com.cn, smtp.mail.yahoo.com.hk, smtp.mail.yahoo.com.my, smtp.mail.yahoo.com.ph, smtp.mail.yahoo.com.sg, smtp.mail.yahoo.com.tw, smtp.mail.yahoo.com.vn, smtp.mail.yahoo.co.id, smtp.mail.yahoo.co.in, smtp.mail.yahoo.co.kr, smtp.mail.yahoo.co.th, smtp.mail.yahoo.co.uk, smtp.mail.yahoo.ca, smtp.mail.yahoo.cn, smtp.mail.yahoo.de, smtp.mail.yahoo.es, smtp.mail.yahoo.fr, smtp.mail.yahoo.it, smtp.y7mail.com, smtp.correo.yahoo.es. 18/12/2013, 14:27:10: SEND - Owner: US, CA, Sunnyvale, Yahoo! Inc., Yahoo Mail, smtp.mail.yahoo.com. 18/12/2013, 14:27:10: SEND - Issuer: US, DigiCert Inc, www.digicert.com, DigiCert High Assurance CA-3. 18/12/2013, 14:27:10: SEND - Root: US, DigiCert Inc, www.digicert.com, DigiCert High Assurance EV Root CA 18/12/2013, 14:27:10: SEND - TLS handshake complete 18/12/2013, 14:27:10: SEND - connected to SMTP server 18/12/2013, 14:27:23: SEND - WARNING: there were no compatible authentication mechanisms detected 18/12/2013, 14:27:23: SEND - sending message to [ test e-mail address ] !18/12/2013, 14:27:23: SEND - Server reports error. The response is: 5.7.1 Authentication required 18/12/2013, 14:27:23: SEND - connection finished - 0 message(s) sent 18/12/2013, 14:27:23: SEND - Some messages were not sent - check the log for details But I suspect you may mean much more detailed diagnostic logging. -- Regards, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v6.1.0.2 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Yahoo UK SMTP problem
Two of my e-mail addresses are with Yahoo! UK, which allows POP3 access. Until recently YUK has used plain transport and everything worked fine, but recently they changed to requiring SSL. Since then I've been able to *receive* mail, but not to send it. When I try to send I get this error: - Server reports error. The response is: 5.7.1 Authentication required - As far as I can see, I have the correct settings. YUK's Help file at http://help.yahoo.com/kb/index?page=contenty=PROD_MAIL_MLlocale=en_GBid=SLN4724 gives: - Want to access Yahoo Mail from an email program like Outlook or Mac Mail? Here's the settings you'll need. Incoming Mail (POP) Server - Requires SSL (Secure Socket Layer) Server: pop.mail.yahoo.com Port: 995 Requires SSL: Yes Outgoing Mail (SMTP) Server - Requires TLS (Transport Layer Security) Server: smtp.mail.yahoo.com Port: 465 or 587 Requires SSL: Yes Requires authentication: Yes If your POP client doesn't offer TLS, you'll still be able to use SSL. Login info - Requires authentication Email address: Your full email address (n...@domain.com.) Password: Your account's password. - I substitute .co.uk for .com, but everything has worked OK until SSL. The settings I have, text-scraped from TB's screen, are: Transport SMTP Server smtp.mail.yahoo.co.uk SMTP Connection Secure on dedicated port (TLS) SMTP Port 465 Incoming mail protocol Incoming mail serverpop.mail.yahoo.co.uk Connection to incoming mail server Secure on dedicated port (TLS) Incoming mail server port 995 Connection timeout 6000 sec Detail screenshots are at http://imgur.com/RfLCMJ5 , http://imgur.com/noH0ZAq , http://imgur.com/SNqRWlq These look OK to me. I couldn't get Ultrafunk Popcorn to work either, but the small, free, portable nPOP worked OK. So it isn't a problem with my PC. I read far more messages than I send, and probably haven't sent any for a while: it's possible this problem has only occurred since upgrading from TB 5.8.8 (I think) to v6. However, I can't be certain of that. My other accounts are Regular, so I can't cross-check with them. Any ideas, please? -- Thanks in anticipation, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v6.0.10 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Default To: address for a mailing list
For mailing lists, I set up one folder per list, and have a filter to send incoming messages to it. I imagine that's what all TB! users do. When addressing a new message to a group, or replying to a message, one has to use the official group address, which for this group is TBUDL tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com. Please, is there any way to set the default To: address for New: and Reply: messages to the official group address, when in mailing list folders? That saves me from having to remember what it is, avoids me replying to someone else's malformed address, and avoids other people seeing an address that looks like TBUDL tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com or RoelofOtten ro...@otten.tv (E-mailaholics International) which sometimes confuses them as to whether I'm replying to an individual or to the group. Apologies for not explaining very well... -- Regards, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v5.4 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Top posting
Is there any easy way to make TB top-post? I don't normally do this (or approve of it) but (a) I sometimes have to deal with corporate men who never do anything else (because the whole unedited quote covers everyone's backside) and (b) I've just run across a tech support system that wanted me to reply that way. -- Thanks,, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v5.2.2 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to delete obsolete pop-up address?
On Thursday, October 25, 2012, 10:36:46 PM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: If I start a new message and click the chevron (VIEW HISTORY) at the far right of the TO field, I am presented with a history of most recently used addresses. While the list is displayed I can press the down-arrow key (not the mouse cursor) which causes the top address in the list to become highlighted. Once the top address is highlighted I can continue to use the down-arrow key to travel down in the list, the next address being highlighted with each down-arrow keypress. Any address highlighted in this manner can then either be deleted by pressing the DEL key or PARKed by pressing the space bar. I partially confirm both your suggestion and Robin Anson's observation. Following your first post I tried typing in the To: line, arrowed to the entry I didn't want, and pressed Del. As I said, nothing happened, or at least, appeared to happen; the address stayed put. I've just tried your doctrine set out above and clicked the chevron. Lo, the offending address is *not* in the chevron drop-down list, only the one I wanted, presumably because it was in fact deleted. But, if I create another new message and start typing in the To: field, the unwanted address is still there. I don't know if that rates as a bug, but it's a misbehaviour likely to cause errors. I'd like to see it made consistent. -- Regards, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v5.2.2 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to delete obsolete pop-up address?
On Thursday, October 25, 2012, 2:00:30 PM, Jack S. LaRosa wrote: If I interpret your query correctly, when the drop-down list of recently used addresses appears, use your down arrow (not the mouse) to highlight (select) the first address and then just use the arrow key to move to the address(s) you wish to delete and press the DEL key. Thanks, but that doesn't work for me! Nothing happens when I press Del. I'm using a laptop, but the Del key is a freestanding one, not on overlay, and I wouldn't think it was the wrong scancode? -- Regards, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v5.2.2 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
How to delete obsolete pop-up address?
If I start typing a contact name in the To: field of a new message, TB pops up a list of matching possibilities. One of my contacts has changed his e-mail address. Please, how do I delete his old one from the pop-up list? -- Thanks, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v5.2.2 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB too slow
I recently paid to upgrade to the latest version, since when picking up my Yahoo! UK webmail by POP3 has been hopeless. I keep getting this sort of thing: !25/09/2012, 20:45:10: FETCH - Server reports error. The response is: -ERR inactivity timeout or !25/09/2012, 20:31:00: FETCH - Connection to host broken (last commands sent were: PASS, STAT) Yet, Opera's built-in mail client downloads everything instantly. So does Popcorn. What's wrong with TB? Do I need to change some setting, or is this version broken? -- Regards, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v5.2 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TB5 not getting Yahoo mail
Thursday, July 26, 2012, 10:17:14 PM, you wrote: install a new one. Since then, and assuming Yahoo didn't change anything in the meantime, TB has failed to pick up mail from my two Yahoo! UK free Web mail account. This I do via POP3, and it worked perfectly with previous versions of TB. Grump. As you were. It worked today. Must have been a glitch at Yahoo! or my ISP, but, I'm still puzzled as to why TB didn't pick up my mail where other simpler e-mail clients did. -- Regards, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v5.1.6.2 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
TB5 not getting Yahoo mail
I recently updated from TB 4.x to what you see below. Everything went OK. Not long after, my router failed (apparently), and I've had to install a new one. Since then, and assuming Yahoo didn't change anything in the meantime, TB has failed to pick up mail from my two Yahoo! UK free Web mail account. This I do via POP3, and it worked perfectly with previous versions of TB. I haven't changed anything, or at least, I hadn't until I started trying to fix things. Everything else seems to work OK; Magic Mail Monitor, Popcorn, nPOPuk, Opera 9.64's mail client, all pick up Y!uk via POP3 without problems. Settings appear to be more or less common, though as I don't know much about mail transport it's hard to know, especially as different programs use rather different terminology. Any suggestions, please? -- Regards, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v5.1.6.2 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
View modes
Are view modes folder-specific? I ask because I keep missing e-mails because they're buried deep in threads that have scrolled off screen. So I want the default in personal e-mail folders to be by date, unthreaded. Conversely, of course, it makes better sense to view mailing lists by thread. Every time I change view mode TB! asks me about keeping it when I exit, but I don't want to set a new global view mode by accident. OK, I know there are hotkeys to quickly change mode, but I'd just like to set defaults. -- Regards, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v4.2.23 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6002 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Security when upgrading
Hello, MFPA; Monday, September 14, 2009, 8:08:36 PM, you wrote: which didn't seem to happen (as I recall it). And, TB isn't now encrypted. I believe you have to do a completely fresh install and tell it to use OTFE during the installation. sigh I hate to have to uninstall/reinstall all over again... but if I have to. OTOH I do use passwords on both the admin and user accounts now, so have at least one layer in place already. It sounds that way but I'm sure I have seen people suggest on this list to back up an encrypted message base, uninstall TB!, install TB! a-fresh without opting to use OTFE, then restore from the backup to get back to a non-encrypted messagebase. I cannot currently remember It's nice to have a way of recovering a message base, but I'm ambivalent about the security issue. [continuing off-topic] By the way, I only found your posting by accident because your from address begins postmaster@ and (for the messages I receive) that usually means it will be a delivery failure report, often for spam that somebody sent spoofing one of my addresses. Maybe it would be worth considering whether sending out from that address is causing others to miss some of your mail. Just a thought. (-; This is a good point. I set it that way before I was as used to TB!, or even e-mail I suppose. But again, it's a chore to do over. -- Thanks, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v4.2.9.1 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Security when upgrading
I've been using encrypted TB 3.99.3 on Win98 for ages. I made TB back itself up, copied the backup to my new Vista laptop, and restored onto TB 4.2.9.1. Both copies of TB are registered (i.e. I upgraded). I was expecting an encrypted backup to require a password to restore, which didn't seem to happen (as I recall it). And, TB isn't now encrypted. It loads without requiring a password, and message bases are readable with a file viewer. This seems to me a security breach. Have I missed something? -- Thanks, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v4.2.9.1 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6001 Service Pack 1 Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Limiting stored messages
Hello, Roelof; Sunday, August 23, 2009, 9:54:12 PM, you wrote: RB Neither of those were checked. They are now :) Did that help? Yes! :) Now behaves as expected. Many thanks! -- Regards, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v3.99.3 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Limiting stored messages
Hello, Roelof; Sunday, August 16, 2009, 11:23:46 PM, you wrote: RB So why do I have over 3,000 messages in the message base? What, RB please, have I misunderstood about automatic deletion? Are there any unread messages in the folder that's to be purged? Yes, most of them ;) You're mentioning 3000 messages in your message base, do you mean the complete message base or only that of the folder that you've limited? Only the folder I've limited. What's your setting for: Account - Properties - Options - Compact all folders on exit Account - Properties - Mail management - Deletion - Purge unread messages Looks like that's where my problem was. Neither of those were checked. They are now :) How do you exit TB? I used to just Alt-F4. Now I usually go through the Maintenance Centre, where I seem to have everything checked - hmmm, is that too hawkish? - and Alt-F4 after running Maintenance. -- Many thanks, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v3.99.3 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Limiting stored messages
I have my TB! Folder Properties set to have Maximum number of stored messages is: 500 and Keep messages in the base for (days): 40. Their checkboxes are both ticked. Also, On exit actions have both Remove old messages and Compress the folder ticked, as is Use folder-specific deletion settings. So why do I have over 3,000 messages in the message base? What, please, have I misunderstood about automatic deletion? -- TIA, Robert Bull mailto:theb...@theluminousvoid.plus.com Using The Bat! v3.99.3 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Listing e-mail addresses from an account
I want to close one of my e-mail accounts, but still occasionally receive worthwhile messages from it. Therefore, I want to list the From: addresses + names in that account's message list so I can pick out the ones that matter, and ask the originators to change their records to one of my other accounts. I suppose I could export the account to .MSG or .EML, try to clean them up and work from that, but is there a quicker and easier way to make a list of addresses + names in a TB! folder? Apologies in advance if I don't pick up on any replies quickly; hard-pressed ATM... -- Regards, Robert Bull mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.99.3 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 4.0.38.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Exporting account data
Is there any way to export account details as a plain text or CSV file? I generally forget them until I need them for an antispam tool or mail2web or something. -- TIA, Robert Bull mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.99.3 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.99.27.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Hyperlinks not working
Hello, Gordon; Sunday, March 11, 2007, 11:24:09 AM, you wrote: Word docs won't open HTML wont open in firefox or IE, no hyperlinks working. Using latest bat and win98se. Bayeslt gone and i'd finally got it to work! You mean, the latest TB broke *unrelated* things? New build fast please. Looks like I'm still using v3.98.4. I tried reinstalling older 3.85.03 over it, but it still says v3.98.4, so I suppose the installer didn't want to install an old version over a new one and I'd have to uninstall the lot and start again. sigh -- Regards, Robert Bull mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.98.4 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.98.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Hyperlinks not working
Hello, Alexander; Friday, March 9, 2007, 9:53:13 PM, you wrote: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/239114/; - No application is associated with the specified file for this operation That problem occured here too after I installed the autoupdate to Firefox 2.0.0.2 - it seems to me that is it a Firefox problem. My Firefox is 1.0.5.10. I even went back to TheBat! v3.98.4, still the same thing. I also suspect the latest version of memory leaks. At lease, other programs have been locking up more than usual. Of course TB is rather large to shoehorn into my modest old laptop. I switched the default browser to IE and then back again to FF, and the problem disappeared. I tried that - I think - and it didn't work, but maybe I needed to reboot in between. -- Regards, Robert Bull mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.98.4 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.98.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Hyperlinks not working
Just installed 3.98.4. If I click on a hyperlink, I get something like: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/239114/; - No application is associated with the specified file for this operation Clicking OK on that gets C:\PROGRA~1\MOZILL~1\FIREFOX.EXE - No application is associated with the specified file for this operation Firefox is working perfectly well otherwise. Is this just my system, or do I need to change some options in TB? -- Thanks, Robert Bull mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.98.4 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.98.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Log overview for multiple accounts
I have several e-mail addresses spread over two accounts. I find the log files very useful, but, is there any way to get a quick overview of all I/O from all addresses on one screen? Rather than reading each log individually? -- Thanks, Robert Bull mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.95.6 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.98.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Copying an account
Hello, Roelof; Sunday, February 11, 2007, 11:30:11 PM, you wrote: RB Please, is it possible to copy (i.e. copy-then-edit) an entire Copy the account.cfn file from your old account to your new account RB I must have misunderstood something, or else this isn't quite right. I followed my own instructions and got the same result as you did, Thanks for checking. I'm relieved that at least I can follow simple instructions :-) didn't get any errors though, nor suffered any data loss (as far as I Maybe because I'm still using Win98SE. While you were trusting me and went bravely ahead. Sorry. If you can't trust the experts, who can you trust? :-) If this is an appropriate place to ask, then I'd like TB to have some means of copying-then-editing accounts. Of course one can go into a template and do Ctrl-A, Ctrl-C, then move to another account and replace the existing one, but it's a fiddle and extra work, even if you use a clipboard enhancer. I also see that when you set up a new account manually, the default is to delete messages on the server. I'd have thought that leaving them was better as a default, especially for TB newbies and new accounts not used before. -- Thanks, Robert Bull mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.95.6 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Copying an account
Hello, Roelof; Sunday, February 18, 2007, 6:48:33 PM, you wrote: That's more something for the wish list (see bottom of my message) OK, thanks. RB I also see that when you set up a new account manually, the default is RB to delete messages on the server. I'd have thought that leaving them RB was better as a default, especially for TB newbies and new accounts RB not used before. I think delete on server is the appropriate setting. Most ISPs I know still limit their users to a 5 or 10 MB mailbox, so storing your mail on the server is a sure way to get it full. In the long term, yes. But, when starting a new account, I worry about deleting mail. -- Regards, Robert Bull mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.95.6 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Copying an account
Hello, Roelof; Sunday, January 28, 2007, 8:49:12 PM, you wrote: RB Please, is it possible to copy (i.e. copy-then-edit) an entire RB account, including templates etc.? Create a new account Close TB Copy the account.cfn file from your old account to your new account folder tree: copy account.flb I must have misunderstood something, or else this isn't quite right. I (think I) did that, but copying those files meant I ended up, after re-starting TB, with the new account having the *same name* as the old one it was copied from. I had all sorts of errors :-( It took ages to get back to normal, and obviously some things were lost. What did I miss? -- TIA, Robert mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.95.6 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Copying an account
Hello, All; Please, is it possible to copy (i.e. copy-then-edit) an entire account, including templates etc.? -- Regards, Robert Bull mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Problems with the Christmas Bat - view folder and sorting despatcher
Hello, Peter; Sunday, January 7, 2007, 8:42:21 AM, you wrote: Version 3.95.06 seems to run well on Win98SE, except for a little cosmetic bug upon starting. It goes away though when you begin to perform tasks with The Bat!. Even the version I'm using sometimes leaves something like the top line of TB's window along the top of my screen; I fix it by clicking on the background and pressing F5. However, it sounds like it's now worth trying 3.95.06. -- Thanks, Robert Bullmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Problems with the Christmas Bat - view folder and sorting despatcher
Hello, Simon; Sunday, December 31, 2006, 10:59:56 AM, you wrote: Hi Doug, DW Christmas Edition 3.95.6 Sorry, I cannot confirm here. What operating system are you currently using? Is it Win 98? I know there were a few transitional issues to Win98 with this version. I tried the Christmas Edition on Win98, found problems and went back to 3.85.03. Do you know if Win98 problems have been sorted out yet, please? -- Regards, Robert Bullmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.85.03 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Mod: Reply for new thread (was: Editors - external?)
Hello, Alexander; Sunday, December 10, 2006, 9:16:43 PM, you wrote: I am not the person you addressed with your reply, but I'd like to explain this anyway, hoping that you spread the word that using the reply function when you actually want to write a new message is not a good idea. :-) Yes, I see now... Each message that you create contains a unique identifier. It is called and unique message-id for the reply, *and* it preserves the message-id of the original message in another header called in-reply-to. That Thanks for the explanation. I suppose I should have picked out some of it for myself by looking at the source :-/ -- Regards, Robert Bullmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.71.03 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Changing A.N. Other address
Hello, Roelof; Sunday, December 10, 2006, 11:13:49 PM, you wrote: Change %ToFName into %ABToFirstName=%ToFName or when you're addressing him via the mailing list use something like %ABOFromFirstName=%ToFName and add his address to your address book and add a proper first name to the AB entry. Tried the first method for now, works fine. His address was already correct in my AB. Many thanks! -- Regards, Robert Bullmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.71.03 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Editors - external?
Hello, Mary; Sunday, December 10, 2006, 11:38:56 PM, you wrote: A lot has changed in The Bat! since version 3.70.03, which your signature footer says you are running. In the latest release, version 3.85.03, there is a feature called the shortcuts. It's a bit complex--there's more of a learning curve to it than to most of The Bat! But once you get the hang of it you can That would be some learning curve :-) Is there some reason you prefer not to upgrade? No, but I started with TB back in the summer when I hadn't much time, and it was a long while before I joined the list. The new version must have come out in the interim. I intend to install it soon. I see that many messages have a note appended to say what the latest version is. I've also set up the RITLabs home page in WebSite-Watcher, which I run fairly often for other reasons, so should get warning of changes that way as well. Do the home and pro versions always come out together? -- Thanks, Robert Bullmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.71.03 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Editors - external?
Hello, All; This is my first post here using TB itself, so please bear with me. I was a point on Fidonet for over ten years, using the mighty GoldED message editor (I'm one of the few - the proud - the REGISTERED). GoldED has a basic text editor built-in, rather like TB's. But it also allowed you to define your own text editor, run as a child process, feeding the editor with the properly-quoted and reflowed message. I dislike Windows-style editors. Having grown up with DOS, I prefer WordStar-style. Does TB have any way of defining an external text editor, so I can continue using my favourite one? I have on occasion copied a message via the clipboard and edited it outside TB, before returning the modified text the same way. I tended to get shark's teeth formatting, whether I used straight paste or paste formatted. What should I look out for here, please? -- TIA, Robert Bullmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v3.71.03 on Windows 98 4.10 Build A Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Replying with proper quotes to Yahoo address
Apologies if this was posted before, I can't find it. Amongs others, I use a Yahoo! UK e-mail address. I download messages with TB Pro 3.71.03. When I want to reply, TB makes the message look much like it does whenn you reply with Yahoo's Web interface, i.e. with the message text inside some kind of locked picture frame. Please, how do I turn it into ordinary quotes for a regular reply? Thanks, Robert Bull Current version is 3.80.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
