Re: Change home directory?

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Susanne,

On Wed, 4 Jan 2023 08:38:47 -0800 GMT (04/01/2023, 23:38 +0700 GMT),
Susanne wrote:

>  could someone please tell me if there is a simple way to change the home 
> directory.
> Do I need to copy everything to the new location and then choose it under 
> account properties?
> I have several accounts with large databases.
Account / Properties / Files & Directories. 
 
You can change where your mail database is stored. It does not change where the 
.exe file resides, but I understand you want to move the large mail databases.
 
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Re: Version 10.2 and gmail

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Hello Adrian,

On Tue, 11 Oct 2022 09:12:09 +0200 GMT (11/10/2022, 14:12 +0700 GMT),
Adrian Godfrey wrote:

> While I can make gmail work with Version 10.2 of The Bat, it seems to insist 
> on using IMAP instead of POP. Is there any way to fix this?
> I don't particularly need to retrieve gmail directly in The Bat as I forward 
> everything sent to my gmail address to an e-mail address on one of my own 
> domains AND delete from Google servers, but there are occasions when I need 
> to send mail from my gmail address and I certainly don't want to start web 
> browsers to do this.

I am using Gmail and POP under v10.2. However, I set it up a long time ago. Do 
you have the problem with an existing account or are you trying to set up a new 
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Re: The sigdash

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Ian,

On Sat, 13 Aug 2022 14:58:38 +1000 GMT (13/08/2022, 11:58 +0700 GMT),
Ian A. White wrote:


> When replying with quoting it is not an issue as in this reply, as there can 
> only be a sigdash on the line. Anything else and it is just a normal line of 
> text.

> My problem is that I have some message threads for customers and that means 
> there are 20 signatures with high def graphics that have been quoted. This 
> then limits quoting as the message is now too big and gets rejected. This 
> results in a fresh thread being started, and that causes other issues.

What I do in this case is delete the attachments.

> I do not know if there is a solution. My client uses Outlook and that causes 
> a lot of problems because it does not necessarily show the threading. Outlook 
> also does not recognise a sigdash. At one point I tried using Outlook, but it 
> resulted in so many issues so went back to The Bat! for them. When Microsoft 
> were contacted, it was a case of "Next question". As far as they were 
> concerned they could do whatever they wanted. They even include the actual 
> attachments with each reply, so a job with 7 revisions would see  a huge 
> number of inclusions as the first message has the file, the next reply has 
> the first included plus the rev 1, the next has all these included plus rev 
> 2, and so on.

Ranting against Outllok in this group is praying to the choire! :-)

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Re: Test

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Chris,

On Thu, 11 Aug 2022 10:46:00 +0100 GMT (11/08/2022, 16:46 +0700 GMT),
Chris Wilson wrote:

> Test message, I sent a message about 24 hours ago, but I don't see it 
> showing, so testing...
I received your message on the list.
 
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Re: The sigdash

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Ian,

On Fri, 5 Aug 2022 12:13:25 +1000 GMT (05/08/2022, 09:13 +0700 GMT),
Ian A. White wrote:

> G'day,

> This is something that has become annoying.

> This message is plain text so if anyone replies, the sigdash would be 
> honoured and everything after it would be ignored.

> If however, this was an HTML message, then The Bat! does not seem to handle 
> it too well as the entire message being replied to is considered a block and 
> the sigdash is considered part of the block.

> In business, HTML is just about standard for a whole lot of reasons ranging 
> from the email client being used through to tracking whether the message has 
> been read, and how many times it has been read.

> So, is there any way that The Bat! can be used to read the sigdash in a HTML 
> formatted email?

Make it optional, please. In our business, we always need the full email thread 
in the reply. If someone uses a sigdash and this cuts off everything below it, 
we have to go search for what he wrote a month ago.

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Re: Forward with attachment(s)

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Hello Jack,

On Sat, 14 May 2022 10:27:36 -0500 GMT (14/05/2022, 22:27 +0700 GMT),
Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

> If I *forward* a message which contains pictures as attachments, the pictures
> don't get forwarded. If on the other hand I *redirect* that same message, the
> pictures are redirected along with the message.

> Is there an option somewhere or am I just not understanding the difference
> between the two methods?

How exactly do you forward? Over here, pictures and other attachments are 
forwarded.

My settings:

Account / Properties / Templates / Forward: [ ] Forward as MIME is *not* ticked.

I use the arrow button to forward rather than the menu item.

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Re: Is my legacy TB! version usable with the upcoming Google security changes please?

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Stefan,

On Fri, 29 Apr 2022 15:41:12 +0300 GMT (29/04/2022, 19:41 +0700 GMT),
Stefan Tanurkov via TBUDL wrote:

> Hello Chris,

>> Good afternoon all, today I received this message from Google. I use an 
>> elderly version of The Bat! and need to know if I can still use it when 
>> Google implement these security changes, as I have one GMAIL  account I use 
>> TB! for, thanks. I am using v5.8.10 on Windows 7 64 bit Pro. Is such an 
>> elderly version still painlessly upgradeable to the current one if required?

> IIRC, first version The Bat! with Google OAUTH support was 7.x, so your 
> version is too old and you will have to upgrade.

Google will require OAUTH 2.0 from 30 May on. From which version on does TB! 
support this?

> With v10 released yesterday, Ritlabs is offering 50% discount from the full 
> price for upgrade from versions prior to 9.0, the upgrade process must be 
> painless as the only thing is needed is just installation of the new version 
> (it is always recommended to have a backup, of course).

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Re: How to create a new message to ALL?

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Hello Maggie,

On Thu, 14 Apr 2022 00:32:16 +0100 GMT (14/04/2022, 06:32 +0700 GMT),
Maggie Meister wrote:

>>> Having a right-click option to mirror the To: CC: and BCC of a
>>> previous mail could be helpful

TFM>> Well, it does work. Not CC and BCC together, but for each line.

TFM>> Maybe I am misunderstanding your questions, though.

> Right. I was doing it your way and it _was_ a pain (but
> admittedly a minor one). What I saw in the context menu when
> right clicking on the Message To:  was two choices: Write a
> message to this address, and Reply to this address. I got to
> thinking that it would be just as easy to provide a choice to
> either Write a message to all addressees, or Reply to all
> addressees. It's not a critical thing, but when there is more
> than one procedure to do, there's a possibility for error to be
> introduced. I can cope without it, but I do like Miguel's idea of
> using Edit as New. If I'm going to err, I'd rather it be the
> subject line than the address positions. It seems cleaner
> somehow. Thanks for your input, it gave me a chance to review
> again what I was doing. :-)

Everybody works differently. Whatever is good for you! :-)

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Re: How to create a new message to ALL?

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Maggie,

On Wed, 13 Apr 2022 10:34:41 +0100 GMT (13/04/2022, 16:34 +0700 GMT),
Maggie Meister wrote:

> It's been tedious communicating with a large group where everyone
> who needs to be included in a new email is in the To:, CC:, and
> BCC: line. I have been using the right click method  to Write a
> message to this address, and then using copy and paste to add
> everyone into the proper positions.

Well I do that too. But over here it is not much work, because I highlight the 
whole CC line and then copy and paste, and do the same with the BCC line. This 
is two c actions, I don't find that too many.

> I could see this as a filter, but it wouldn't address a changing
> group?

> Having a right-click option to mirror the To: CC: and BCC of a
> previous mail could be helpful

Well, it does work. Not CC and BCC together, but for each line.

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Re: generic icon appears in place of The Bat icon in task bar

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Achdut18,

On Tue, 8 Mar 2022 14:59:16 -0600 GMT (09/03/2022, 03:59 +0700 GMT),
Achdut18 wrote:
  
> I just updated to ver.5.1.1.  After updating the The Bat image icon 
> disappeared from the task bar.  I thought that by right-clicking on the 
> generic icon and then right-cliicking on "The Bat" appliaction and then on 
> "properties" I could fix the problem by clicking on "change icon" and browse 
> for the .ico file, which was in the root directory for The Bat.  However, 
> that merely changed the image that appears in the properties shortcut window 
> tab.  I have rebooted several times, but that doesn't help.    Any ideas as 
> to how I can fix this?

Do you have a shortcut on your Desktop? If so, delete the shortcut on the 
taskbar and just drag the shortcut from the Desktop top the taskar.

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Re: Disable periodic checking for all accounts

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello MAU,

On Sun, 20 Feb 2022 00:10:05 +0100 GMT (20/02/2022, 06:10 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

> Hello Adrian,

>> Is there a way to disable periodic checking for all e-mail accounts
>> in TheBat Version 9 without starting the program?

> I believe you have to do it one account at a time.

What I did when I wanted to open TB! without downloading emails is to turn off 
wifi on my comuter. In fact, I also do that every time when I run the 
Maintenance Center.

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Re: RFC-Headers

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Sam,

On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 18:12:46 -0500 GMT (03/02/2022, 06:12 +0700 GMT),
Sam Brown wrote:

> Tuesday, February 1, 2022, 8:00:49 PM, Thomas wrote:

TM>> I could not find another way to show the headers in TB!. Any hints?

> CTRL-SHIFT-K

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Re: RFC-Headers

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Marck,

On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 14:06:00 + GMT (02/02/2022, 21:06 +0700 GMT),
Marck Pearlstone wrote:

>>> Additionally, you may want to redefine hotkey for the "View source" command 
>>> in the customization dialog

TF>> Oh, thanks. I know we can define our own hotkeys, but I never did that. 
Where do I find the customisation dialog?

> Right click on a toolbar or menubar and "Customise..." is in the context menu.

OK, found it. Thanks.

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Re: RFC-Headers

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello MAU,

On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 19:56:46 +0100 GMT (03/02/2022, 01:56 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

>>  Where do I find the customisation dialog?

> Right click on any toolbar space and select Customise.
> Or from menu Workspace/Toolbars/Customise.

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Re: RFC-Headers

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

HiStefan,

On Wed, 2 Feb 2022 15:56:56 +0200 GMT (02/02/2022, 20:56 +0700 GMT),
Stefan Tanurkov via TBUDL wrote:

>> I could not find another way to show the headers in TB!. Any hints?

> Ctrl+Shift+K  was available long before F9  :-)

And it works! The difference is that the normal F9 opens the source in a new 
window, while crtl-shift-K shows the source in the message window.

> Additionally, you may want to redefine hotkey for the "View source" command 
> in the customization dialog

Oh, thanks. I know we can define our own hotkeys, but I never did that. Where 
do I find the customisation dialog?

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Re: Mail database in Dropbox

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Thomas,

>> These are the learnings:

>> 1.) The accounts on the different computers need to have the same name and 
>> folder structures. (That's obvious)
>> 2.) The drive letter where Dropbox resides must be the same on both 
>> computers. (That's why it didn't work at first. Had to rename the drive on 
>> one machine.)
>> 3.) Only one computer can run TB! at any time, and when you close it, you 
>> have to wait until Dropbox actually updates all files from the first 
>> commputer to the second.

>> Dropbox sometimes takes its time to propagate file updates.

Disadvantage of the whole idea: Each time a mail check happens, the *.TBB files 
are updated and hence Dropbox uploads the whole file. On a metered connection, 
this can become very expensive...

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Re: Mail database in Dropbox

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello all,

On Fri, 26 Nov 2021 18:40:25 +0700 GMT (26/11/2021, 18:40 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez ML wrote:



> These are the learnings:

> 1.) The accounts on the different computers need to have the same name and 
> folder structures. (That's obvious)
> 2.) The drive letter where Dropbox resides must be the same on both 
> computers. (That's why it didn't work at first. Had to rename the drive on 
> one machine.)
> 3.) Only one computer can run TB! at any time, and when you close it, you 
> have to wait until Dropbox actually updates all files from the first 
> commputer to the second.

> Dropbox sometimes takes its time to propagate file updates. When updating an 
> account, I was surprised that the update was not shwon in the otehr computer, 
> then found this:

[snip]

The server converted my HTML message with embedded picture into plaintext, so I 
am attaching the missing picture now.
 
> I also found the same "conflicted copy" for MESSAGES.TBB file. It took me a 
> while to figure out that the file was updated by Dropbox on the target 
> machine while TB! was open there. So, point number 3 above took some time.

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Re: Mail database in Dropbox

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Thomas,


On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 21:22:12 +0700 GMT (31/10/2021, 21:22 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez ML wrote:

> Hello MAU,

> On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 13:50:41 +0100 GMT (31/10/2021, 19:50 +0700 GMT),
> MAU wrote:

>>> So far so good: I pointed the Files & Directories for one account to
>>> the Dropbox directory I had created for this purpose. Mail databases
>>> are  synchronised;  I deleted a message in TB! on one computer, then
>>> started  TB!  on  the  other, and the message is not being shown any
>>> more.

>> Looks like you got it working. Congratulations!

> Not yet. ;-) I'll use it with a throw-away account for a while and will 
> report my experience!

These are the learnings:

1.) The accounts on the different computers need to have the same name and 
folder structures. (That's obvious)
2.) The drive letter where Dropbox resides must be the same on both computers. 
(That's why it didn't work at first. Had to rename the drive on one machine.)
3.) Only one computer can run TB! at any time, and when you close it, you have 
to wait until Dropbox actually updates all files from the first commputer to 
the second.

Dropbox sometimes takes its time to propagate file updates. When updating an 
account, I was surprised that the update was not shwon in the otehr computer, 
then found this:


 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
I also found the same "conflicted copy" for MESSAGES.TBB file. It took me a 
while to figure out that the file was updated by Dropbox on the target machine 
while TB! was open there. So, point number 3 above took some time.
 
I will now think of a good use for my new finding. :-)

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Settigs for MyGate in TB!

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello TBUDL,

Due to excessive playing, my setting in TheBat! for the MyGate newsreader are 
gone. I remember that host was 127.0.0.1 but not the otehr settings.

Can someone remind me of the POP and SMTP settings I have to key into TB!?

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Re: Mail database in Dropbox

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello MAU,

On Sun, 31 Oct 2021 13:50:41 +0100 GMT (31/10/2021, 19:50 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

>> So far so good: I pointed the Files & Directories for one account to
>> the Dropbox directory I had created for this purpose. Mail databases
>> are  synchronised;  I deleted a message in TB! on one computer, then
>> started  TB!  on  the  other, and the message is not being shown any
>> more.

> Looks like you got it working. Congratulations!

Not yet. ;-) I'll use it with a throw-away account for a while and will report 
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Re: Mail database in Dropbox

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello TBUDL,

So far so good: I pointed the Files & Directories for one account to the 
Dropbox directory I had created for this purpose. Mail databases are 
synchronised; I deleted a message in TB! on one computer, then started TB! on 
the other, and the message is not being shown any more.

Of course, I did this with an account that I don't use any more. So I cannot 
test sending and receiving, but I think it should work. I will create an 
throw-away accout and give it a spin.

On Sat, 30 Oct 2021 11:40:27 +0700 GMT (30/10/2021, 11:40 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez ML wrote:

> Hello TBUDL,

> I have TB! on two computers (PC and laptop) and always download seperately, 
> using POP. IMAP does not make much sense for me, as I am often in countries 
> with slow internet connections - let's not discuss this. I want to use POP.

> I have a prefessional Dropbox account and use only a small amount of the 
> space. So my idea is now to move the mail database to the Dropbox folder, so 
> it will be updated automatically. In effect, I will have an IMAP effect 
> including flags, such as "read/unread" or "flagged.

> If course, I will have to have the same folder structure on both machines. I 
> will move the database of the back-up machine (laptop) first, and then the 
> database of the main machine, as it will overwrite the files.

> It sounds so easy and logical to me. Does anybody have any ideas why this 
> would cause problems? Any caveats?

> TIA



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Mail database in Dropbox

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello TBUDL,

I have TB! on two computers (PC and laptop) and always download seperately, 
using POP. IMAP does not make much sense for me, as I am often in countries 
with slow internet connections - let's not discuss this. I want to use POP.

I have a prefessional Dropbox account and use only a small amount of the space. 
So my idea is now to move the mail database to the Dropbox folder, so it will 
be updated automatically. In effect, I will have an IMAP effect including 
flags, such as "read/unread" or "flagged.

If course, I will have to have the same folder structure on both machines. I 
will move the database of the back-up machine (laptop) first, and then the 
database of the main machine, as it will overwrite the files.

It sounds so easy and logical to me. Does anybody have any ideas why this would 
cause problems? Any caveats?

TIA

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Re: Infinity symbol on application icon

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Jernej,

On Thu, 21 Oct 2021 21:58:37 +0200 GMT (22/10/2021, 02:58 +0700 GMT),
Jernej Simončič wrote:

>> FWIW this is ticked over here, but I have never seen the number of messages 
>> (or any infinity symbol) in the taskbar icon. It does flap, though.

> You need to have badges enabled in Taskbar properties, too (and you can only 
> do that if you don't have small icons enabled).

Thanks Jerney, that's it! I have small icons enabled because I like that 
better. Now I have disabled that feature (badges were suddenly enabled by 
default) and the number of unread messages is shown.

Mystery solved.

I don't know whether it is technically possible, but I would like to see the 
number of unread messages when using small icons... of course.

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Re: SOT: Avasst! signature

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Lore,


On Sat, 16 Oct 2021 09:24:32 -0700 GMT (16/10/2021, 23:24 +0700 GMT),
Lore Galore wrote:
 
> On Sat, Oct 16, 2021, at 6:38 AM, Mica Mijatovic wrote:
>>> Does anybody know how I can prevent avast! Premium from adding a sig 
>>> stating that the email was scanned? 
>>> They are not paying me for advertising...

>> Are you paying them for scanning? (-:
I am indeed.
> I found this:

> Disable the Avast signature for outgoing emails
> Open Avast Antivirus, and go to ☰ Menu ▸ Settings.
> Select Protection ▸ Core Shields.
> Scroll down to Configure shield settings and click the tab for Mail Shield.
> Untick the box next to Add a signature to the end of sent emails.

Thank you! This message should not have an avast! sig any more.

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SOT: Avasst! signature

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Tbudl,


Does anybody know how I can prevent avast! Premium from adding a sig stating 
that the email was scanned? 

They are not paying me for advertising...

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Re: Account tree design

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Adrian,

On Tue, 7 Sep 2021 20:32:44 +0200 GMT (21/09/08, 01:32 +0700 GMT),
Adrian Godfrey wrote:

> Hello MAU,

> I presume you mean this: Options - Preferences - Other Options - Use denser 
> display of items for folder and message lists

> I still don't see a space (blank line) between folders whether that box is 
> checked or not.

In addition to [X] Use denser, also click on [X] Display "old style" and see 
whether it does what you desire.

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Re: TBprotocolsRetr.log

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Marck,

On Mon, 6 Sep 2021 12:23:17 +0100 GMT (21/09/06, 18:23 +0700 GMT),
Marck Pearlstone wrote:


> On 06 September 2021 at 11:52 Thomas ML wrote and made these points

> ... 

TF>> What can be the reason only this account needs this file, and why is it 
looking in the wrong drive?

> I found a setting in Account (properties) / Trabnsport / Protocol logging, 
> which includes a pathspec. It's likely that the restore from backup of the 
> account properties on the new computer brought across the old path in there.

Bingo! I am replying from the new computer.

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Re: Can't see embedded pictures - usually

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Avram,


On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 12:59:26 -0500 GMT (02-Sep-21, 0:59 +0700 GMT),
Avram Sacks wrote:

>> In the header area on the right-hand side, you have a picture depicting a 
>> picture  and a green down-arrow. If you click on that, the pictures for 
>> this email will be downloaded.
>>  
>> You will also find a small black down-arrow next to it. Click on that, and 
>> you will be offered choices how to automate downloading of pictures.
>  
> Thanks.  This helps about 60% of the time, but.   while in some cases the 
> image will open up automatically, now, in  other cases, only PART of the 
> image will open up - or some, but not all of the images will appear, with the 
> remaining ones replaced by the gray square surrounded by a lattice of white 
> and grey squares. 
>  
> Any idea as to what is going on now?

Please do not CC to my direct email.
 
Some images will be sent with the message, others will have to be downloaded 
from the net. Did you check the options?

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Re: sorting folders in the account tree

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello MAU,

On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 23:44:36 +0200 GMT (02-Sep-21, 4:44 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

> Hello Dwight,

>> I just installed on a new computer, and I cannot for the life me
>> remember how to sort the account tree.

> Or  you  can  click  on the Name column and you will will get a dialog
> that allows you to select different sortings.

Or you can click on the folder in the accoutn tree and use shft-crtil with up 
or down arrow to move it up or down within the account, or use left and right 
arrow to move the folder out of and into accounts.

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Re: Can't see embedded pictures - usually

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello MAU,


On Wed, 1 Sep 2021 10:45:40 +0200 GMT (01-Sep-21, 15:45 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

>> In the header area on the right-hand side, you have a picture depicting a 
>> picture  and a green down-arrow.

> But depends on the setting "Options/Preferences/Viewer/Editor/HTML 
> Viewer/Download external media/Always show the download button", doesn't it?

Errr, yes. Gee, the button should be there by default, I believe.

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Re: Can't see embedded pictures - usually

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello Lore and Achdut,


On Tue, 31 Aug 2021 15:23:32 -0700 GMT (01-Sep-21, 5:23 +0700 GMT),
Lore Galore wrote:

>> Another "feature" of the upgraded version of The Bat is that I do not get to 
>> see 90% of the embedded pictures.   Instead, I see a gray square, surrounded 
>> by a number of gray and white squares in a blurry latticework.    How do I 
>> change settings in order to see these pictures?

> I'm looking forward to the answer to that, as I had upgraded and asked what 
> to do about it and got no answer.  I couldn't stand the way it failed to 
> display as it should, so I went back to v 9.4.1.

In the header area on the right-hand side, you have a picture depicting a 
picture  and a green down-arrow. If you click on that, the pictures for this 
email will be downloaded.
 
You will also find a small black down-arrow next to it. Click on that, and you 
will be offered choices how to automate downloading of pictures.

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Re: Infinity symbol on application icon

[Thomas Fernandez ML]

Hello MAU,

On Sat, 28 Aug 2021 00:10:38 +0200 GMT (28-Aug-21, 5:10 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

> Hello Achdut18,

>>  Is there a way to turn this off?

> "Options/Preferences/General/When   unread  messages  are  found"  and
> untick/deselect "Display badge on the Taskbar icon".

FWIW this is ticked over here, but I have never seen the number of messages (or 
any infinity symbol) in the taskbar icon. It does flap, though.

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Re: [T/N: F1FB303C]: Show message tabs????

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Ian,

On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 15:04:03 +1000 GMT (21-Jun-21, 12:04 +0700 GMT),
Ian A. White wrote:

>>> How do I turn the message tabs back on?

TF>> I am not sure whether this is what you mean:

TF>> Main Menu: Workspace / Folder Tabs / [X] Show folder tabs

> Not quite, but it pointed me in the right direction.
[...]

Glad to hear that your problem is solved.

> While on this, is there a searchable Help file available? It is just that the 
> web based one doesn't really have god search options, or I have not been able 
> to find the option.

The web-based Help file is it. I like that it is context-sensitive; whereever 
you hit F1 while working in TB, the relevant chapter will be opened. I use it 
sometimes and it works for my needs. YMMV.

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Re: [T/N: F1FB303C]: Show message tabs????

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Ian,

On Sun, 20 Jun 2021 23:17:24 +1000 GMT (20-Jun-21, 20:17 +0700 GMT),
Ian A. White wrote:

> It's been a LONG day.

;-)

> I have to call it quits for tonight as it is heading for midnight.

> While trying to get rid of the quick reply window, I saw a tool tip to "Hide 
> Message Tabs. I picked this as I had never seen it before and foolishly 
> thought it might get rid of the quick reply window. Unfortunately it hid the 
> filter tabs and I cannot find a way of turning those tabs back on. I use them 
> to filter my messages and cannot find a way of restoring them. Never realised 
> there would not be an option to show the filter tabs.

> How do I turn the message tabs back on?

I am not sure whether this is what you mean:

Main Menu: Workspace / Folder Tabs / [X] Show folder tabs

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Re: 2xTB! on one computer

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Lore,

On Sun, 18 Apr 2021 19:37:20 -0700 GMT (19-Apr-21, 9:37 +0700 GMT),
Lore Galore wrote:

>> Configuring TheBat, I cannot find any more how to get rid of the "quick 
>> reply" atthe bottom of emails in the preview pane. I know it was easu, I 
>> just cannot find it in the settings anywhere.

> Workspace :  Quick Reply

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Re: 2xTB! on one computer

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Christoph,

On Mon, 19 Apr 2021 03:57:05 +0200 GMT (19-Apr-21, 8:57 +0700 GMT),
Christoph Koch wrote:

>>> If you want same version, but independent installations, install The Bat!
>>> for all users. Both users will use the same version, so if you want
>>> different versions for each, another approach will be needed.

>> If it's easier when both use the same version, I will do that.

> Yes, please!

Done! :-)

>>> If you go down the all users path, make sure that each user has their own
>>> message base storage path. IIRC, The Bat! will default to a directory under
>>> %APPDATA%, which is individual to each user and will do the right thing.

>> Where do you mean, which "all users path"? Something in Windows (this is Win 
>> 7 Pro), or in TheBat?

> When you enter %APPDATA% into Windows Explorer (with both %), then you are in 
> the right folder where TheBat stores its configuration and data:
> C:\Users\_CurrentLoggedInUser_\AppData\Roaming

Got it. Not needed, I wasn't going to do anything in the registry.

TheBat! is installed and running. I had to register it again, which makes 
sense, as it is another usere and we have a one-user licence.

Configuring TheBat, I cannot find any more how to get rid of the "quick reply" 
atthe bottom of emails in the preview pane. I know it was easu, I just cannot 
find it in the settings anywhere.

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Re: 2xTB! on one computer

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Christopher,

On Sun, 18 Apr 2021 15:20:36 -0700 GMT (19-Apr-21, 5:20 +0700 GMT),
Christopher Warrington wrote:

> On 2021-04-16 at  9:29 PM, Thomas Fernandez  wrote:
>> I want to install two versions of TB! for two different users on the
>> same computer. Each user has their own Log-on into Windows 7
>> Professional.

> Quick clarification: two different versions of the program, one for each
> user or the same version of the program, but two independent installations
> (i.e., message bases, settings), one for each users?

It does not matter. Admin uses an old version, but I can upgrade that.

> If you want same version, but independent installations, install The Bat!
> for all users. Both users will use the same version, so if you want
> different versions for each, another approach will be needed.

If it's easier when both use the same version, I will do that.

> If you go down the all users path, make sure that each user has their own
> message base storage path. IIRC, The Bat! will default to a directory under
> %APPDATA%, which is individual to each user and will do the right thing.

Where do you mean, which "all users path"? Something in Windows (this is Win 7 
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2xTB! on one computer

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello TBUDL,

I want to install two versions of TB! for two different users on the same 
computer. Each user has their own Log-on into Windows 7 Professional.

TB! is already installed for the Amin user. I want to install TB! for User2.

In the beginning, User2 was a standard useer, and Windows wouldn't let me 
install the program.

Then I changed User2 to also be Admin. In the installation process, I get two 
error messages: 1.) This user is not allowed to delete that probgram (which 
program?), 2.) You do not have enough permissions to install a program for all 
users.

Q1: I hope the TB! installer is not trying to delete the existing installation 
for Admin.
Q2: How can I install TB! only for Usere2, not "for all users"?

Thanks for any help.

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Re: Newbie Again: Layout Question

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Keith,

On Sun, 21 Feb 2021 19:37:39 -0700 GMT (22-Feb-21, 9:37 +0700 GMT),
Keith Russell wrote:

> I decided to give The Bat! a try again after a LONG break.

> I've looked around, but haven't seen an answer to this question. Please tell 
> me where I can find it.

> How can I change the screen layout? I don't want the message list at the left 
> of the viewer pane; I prefer it to be on top.

Welcome back.

Try Workspace / Windows Split Mode in the main menu. It gives you several 
options. Is that what you mean?

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Re: mail not downloading from server

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Avram,

On Fri, 19 Feb 2021 12:14:14 -0600 GMT (20-Feb-21, 1:14 +0700 GMT),
Avram Sacks wrote:

> Does anyone have any idea why mail, all of a sudden, is not downloading from 
> the internet mail provider that I use (Ionos, formerly 1and1.com)?I have 
> three accounts with Ionos and TB is able to download mail just fine for two 
> of them .  But, just now, it is not downloading from the third account about 
> a dozen messages that are all from today.   The incoming mail port, 110, is 
> the same for all three.   And, I am using popv3 for the incoming mail 
> protocol for all three.   The connection to the incoming mail server is 
> regular for all three.Any ideas?

Do you gete any error message? The reason can be anything from wrong password 
or a typing mistake in the server name. Once we have ruled those out, we can 
look deeper.

Do you have the status bar enabled in your TB!? If not, please hit shift-crtl-L 
while you are in the main window. Then check the account. After that, click on 
the status bar (it's at the bottom), and it will open as a separeate window. 
Copy and paste in your reply. (Hide email address etc  if you wish.)

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Re: Sudden rearrangement of folders

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MAU,

On Tue, 16 Feb 2021 19:40:18 +0100 GMT (17-Feb-21, 1:40 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

>> I believe you have clicked on the "Name" header on top of the folder
>> list.  I  don't  dare do it now to try, as I don't think there is an
>> "undo" function...

> No  problem  if  you  click  on the "Name" header. What you get is the
> 'Sort  Folders and Accounts' dialog, where you can select what to sort
> and how. And you can always Cancel.

Well noted. I did that now to take a look and hit indeed hit Cancel.

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Re: Sudden rearrangement of folders

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Maggie,

On Mon, 15 Feb 2021 19:47:34 -0500 GMT (16-Feb-21, 7:47 +0700 GMT),
Maggie Meister wrote:

>>> all of a sudden the folders in my message list have arranged
>>> themselves into alphabetical order. <...> I have no idea how
>>> to undo it except to manually move the folders with
>>> ctrl+shift+arrow key back to where they 'belong'.

SC>> I have noticed it happening for a while now. No idea how to stop it.

> Thanks Stuart. Though I really hate unsolved mysteries, I
> appreciate the answer!

I believe you have clicked on the "Name" header on top of the folder list. I 
don't dare do it now to try, as I don't think there is an "undo" function...

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Re: sending e-mail to a group with only group name appearing in recipient's "to" field

[Thomas Fernandez]

Title: Re: sending e-mail to a group with only group name appearing in recipient's "to" field


Hello Achdut18,

On Sun, 14 Feb 2021 13:10:25 -0600 GMT (15-Feb-21, 2:10 +0700 GMT),
Achdut18 wrote:





>> [how to hide addresses of multiple recipients]

PM> solution that works with any client: put your own
PM> address in the TO: field and all other recipients into BCC.

Thanks, Peter (and Stuart, who also responded), but I want to do this elegantly.     It is about having a "professional appearance."   I see the BCC trick all the time.  I know it works, but I have also received group e-mail where the address is to the group name and would like to know how to do that. Thanks.



Probably not very helpful, but since you mentioned "professional appearance": I regularly receive circulars from my embassy and also from different foreign chambers of commerce with their own email address in the TO field and everybody else in BCC. I do find that professional. - Just my 2 cents' worth.

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Re: Edge browser

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Jack,

On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 19:14:00 -0600 GMT (12-Feb-21, 8:14 +0700 GMT),
Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

> Hello Thomas,

> On Thursday, February 11, 2021 you wrote:

TF>> Hello Jack,

TF>> On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 18:13:21 -0600 GMT (12-Feb-21, 7:13 +0700 GMT),
TF>> Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

>>> Since porting TB to the new laptop, any message which USED to provide a 
>>> Chrome
>>> icon at the far left now shows an Edge icon. Where would I find where that 
>>> can
>>> be changed back to Chrome?

TF>> In Windows, make Chrome your default browser. TB! follows the Windows 
settings.

> Thanks Thomas. That did it (after a restart of course).

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Re: Edge browser

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Jack,

On Thu, 11 Feb 2021 18:13:21 -0600 GMT (12-Feb-21, 7:13 +0700 GMT),
Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

> Since porting TB to the new laptop, any message which USED to provide a Chrome
> icon at the far left now shows an Edge icon. Where would I find where that can
> be changed back to Chrome?

In Windows, make Chrome your default browser. TB! follows the Windows settings.

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Re: How to see the whole email on the screen

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Maggie,

On Thu, 28 Jan 2021 13:53:30 -0500 GMT (29-Jan-21, 1:53 +0700 GMT),
Maggie Meister wrote:

JSL>> I think I need someone to define the purpose of the cut mark because I 
thought
JSL>> it was to automatically eliminate everything below the cut mark 
(including the
JSL>> cut mark) when replying.

> This was also my understanding. I wonder if the insertion of
> another cut mark by the particular virus checker after the sig
> prevents operation of the cut mark inserted by you in your
> template from working as designed?

I don't know whether it's the anti-virus in their case, but it may also be the 
ISP. In my case, GMX will cut all trailing blanks. I don't know why, maybe they 
wwant to save bandwidth...

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Re: How to see the whole email on the screen

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Acheton,

On Wed, 27 Jan 2021 13:05:48 + GMT (27-Jan-21, 20:05 +0700 GMT),
Acheton wrote:

> Thanks for the reply, it appears that this only happens when I am replying to 
> an email which is wider than the screen, at which points it goes outside of 
> the bounds of the window - which makes some sense.

Difficult to reply to you, as you are top-posting.

No, it does not make sense, as it means you cannot read it properly. And over 
here, it does not have (even when I leave your mails as HTML), all lines are 
properly wrapped. So I am a bit surprised that it happens to you.

Brgds,

Thomas.

> Saturday, January 16, 2021, 2:26:27 AM, you wrote:

> Hello Acheton,

> On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:35:42 + GMT (15-Jan-21, 20:35 +0700 GMT),
> Acheton wrote:


> I wondered whether anyone could help. When I am composing emails in TB I have 
> a problem whereby as I reach the edge of the screen (HTML) the earlier text 
> disappears off the screen.  How can I set TB to show the whole of the email 
> during composition?

> Let me try to write a very long line because I have never experienced what 
> you are describing. I usually use HTML/Plaintext but this time I am using 
> HTML only. Maybe that makes the difference - no, it doesn't. At the end of 
> the screen, the text continues here on the next line. Let me try to change 
> the size of the window - nope, it still breaks (softbreak) the lines at the 
> end of the window and continues in the next line. Resizing to full size 
> changes changes the softbreaks as desired.

> In short, I cannot duplicate your problem.

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Re: How to see the whole email on the screen

[Thomas Fernandez]

Title: Re: How to see the whole email on the screen


Hello Acheton,

On Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:35:42 + GMT (15-Jan-21, 20:35 +0700 GMT),
Acheton wrote:





I wondered whether anyone could help. When I am composing emails in TB I have a problem whereby as I reach the edge of the screen (HTML) the earlier text disappears off the screen.  How can I set TB to show the whole of the email during composition?



Let me try to write a very long line because I have never experienced what you are describing. I usually use HTML/Plaintext but this time I am using HTML only. Maybe that makes the difference - no, it doesn't. At the end of the screen, the text continues here on the next line. Let me try to change the size of the window - nope, it still breaks (softbreak) the lines at the end of the window and continues in the next line. Resizing to full size changes changes the softbreaks as desired.

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Re: search for emails

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MAU,

On Mon, 28 Dec 2020 12:20:06 +0100 GMT (28-Dec-20, 18:20 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

>> I do use sender or recipient too but sometimes you are just
>> searching for all correspondence with one
>> person and then it would be good to use header.

> I  hardly  do  any  searches for email, but if Header is an option, it
> should work. You may need to open a bug report.

I wonder whether it is a bug, or whether the filters work correctly and find 
the search string somewhere else in the many headers.

@Tom: Can you say something about this? Even if it is the whole email address, 
maybe it is contained somewhere also in the headers? - Sounds like a weird 
question, but I use search extensively and cannot confirm that there are 
results that do not match the search string.

> Anyway,  until  you  are  sure  that  searching  Header works, for all
> correspondence  with  one  person  you  can  search  for  Sender  .OR.
> Recipient.

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Re: search for emails

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Jack,

On Sun, 27 Dec 2020 17:20:08 -0600 GMT (28-Dec-20, 6:20 +0700 GMT),
Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

> Hello Tom,

T>>  not sure but it seems a setting in my bat has changed preventing me from
T>> searching an email by header. I am sure I did this in the past and it 
worked:
T>>  using header:  specific email address (either complete or parts of it), 
maybe adding some other criteria
T>>
T>>  Now when doing so I am getting heaps of results which have nothing to do
T>> with the header entered. So instead of using just header, I need to use 
text brackets or something
T>>  less useful. Anything I forgot or has something changed?

> This won't be very helpful I'm afraid except misery loves company. I have
> always had problems with searching my emails. As you stated above you get 
> heaps
> of results none of which have anything to do with the header entered. I get
> those same results almost every time I search for something. It helps 
> sometimes
> to change the search target. Instead of HEADER you can try TEXT or ANY PART.
> This works sometimes but not nearly often enough. Either we're doing something
> wrong or it just doesn't work correctly.

Instead of using broad searches like Header, I search specific headers such as 
Sender and/or (as appropriate) Recipient. It works well over here, I do not get 
results that contain any false positives.

I have a filter to move messages to a certain folder, and it contains only 
three letters in Headers. I get a lot of false positives, because this 
combination can be in any of the headers by coincidence or for another reason.

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Re: Serious problem with refilter

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Paul,

On Wed, 2 Dec 2020 08:57:04 -0500 GMT (02-Dec-20, 20:57 +0700 GMT),
Paul Van Noord wrote:

> 12/2/2020  8:47 AM

> Hi Thomas,

> On 12/1/2020 Thomas Fernandez wrote:

>>> https://www.ritlabs.com/en/support/tips-and-tricks/3961/


TF>> FWIW I also change the number of seconds to 0 [zero] when I create a new 
account. I think zero shjould be the default. I see no reason why anybody would 
want to wait 2 seconds.

> I have mine set for 4 sec. Often I receive large volumes of messages And many 
> of them have a vague subject or misrepresented true sender. For decades I 
> have found setting this at 4 sec gives me enough time to examine enough of 
> the message body to determine whether or not a message should be marked as 
> read. This practice also helps to prevent premature deletion

Oh, I see. If I cannot reply to emails immediately but they still need replying 
(or reading again), I flag them. In very rare cases, I have marked a message as 
unread after having opened it, so I see what you mean.

> Different strokes for different folks

Indeed.

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Re: Serious problem with refilter

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MAU,

On Tue, 1 Dec 2020 20:00:39 +0100 GMT (02-Dec-20, 2:00 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

> Hello Jack,

>> Not exactly a fix but more of a work-around - ACCOUNT>PROPERTIES>OPTIONS>mark
>> messages as read when it is being read for [x] seconds.

> In  umpteen  year  using  TB  I have never used that option. Why use a
> number  of seconds to mark a message as read? I want to mark a message
> as  read  when  I  decide  I  have  read  it.  To  achieve that, I use
> SmartSpace reading.

> https://www.ritlabs.com/en/support/tips-and-tricks/3961/


FWIW I also change the number of seconds to 0 [zero] when I create a new 
account. I think zero shjould be the default. I see no reason why anybody would 
want to wait 2 seconds.

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Re: Problem when ALT-Tabbing

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Jack,

On Mon, 30 Nov 2020 15:50:13 -0600 GMT (01-Dec-20, 4:50 +0700 GMT),
Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

> Hello MFPA,

> On Monday, November 30, 2020 you wrote:

M>>
M>>  Hi
M>>
M>>
M>>  On Monday 30 November 2020 at 10:35:32 AM, in
M>>  , Acheton wrote:-
M>>
M>>
M>>
M>>   Hi all,
M>>
M>>  Sometimes, when I ALT-tab away from TB to another window and then return I
M>> get a long black bar appear at the top of the app as shown in the 
attachment.
M>> Just wanted to report this problem..
M>>  That seems very similar to https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=2030 "Grey
M>> unfilled area in main window after minimize to task bar and restore to full
M>> screen state". (Although with the Themes, It's black in the ones I use.)
M>>
M>>
M>>
M>>  --
M>>  Best regards
M>>
M>>  MFPA  
M>>
M>>  Don't anthropomorphize computers - they hate it
M>>
M>>  Using The Bat! Version 9.3.0.3 (64-bit) on Windows 10.0 Build 19041

> Black on black text again except when I reply, as now.

Still black-on-black when I tried to reply on that message.

(Using "Classic" theme.)

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Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Title: Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?


Hello MFPA,

On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 14:05:43 + GMT (22-Nov-20, 21:05 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:





Hi


On Sunday 22 November 2020 at 1:44:52 AM, in
<mid:5810176921.20201122084...@gmx.net>, Thomas Fernandez wrote:-






FWIW, your reply arrived as black script on black background over here. I am using "Classic" theme.


 
Confirn if I change to "Classic" them, my previous message displays black on black. In "Windows 10 Black" theme, "Choco Dark" theme, and in my browser (Firefox), it displays as black on white.


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Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MAU,

On Sun, 22 Nov 2020 18:18:24 +0100 GMT (23-Nov-20, 00:18 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

> Hello MFPA,

>> Confirn if I change to "Classic" them, my previous message displays
>> black on black. In "Windows 10 Black" theme, "Choco Dark" theme, and
>> in my browser (Firefox), it displays as black on white.

> Same here. Except I get white on black when you say black on white.

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Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Title: Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?


Hello MFPA,

On Sat, 21 Nov 2020 18:06:58 + GMT (22-Nov-20, 1:06 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:





Hi


On Saturday 21 November 2020 at 4:41:21 PM, in
, Susanne wrote:-






Do you know of a way to also give a darker background to the menu bars?


 

Unfortunately not. I was stuck with the default off-white (very pale grey) background with dark writing until they introduced the "themes".

I have not experienced the freezes you reported. "Automatic" and "Choco Dark" seem to be the same theme. They both work for me, and so does "Windows 10 Dark". So long as I don't try to compose a reply in HTML.

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Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Title: Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?


Hello Susanne,

On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 16:25:18 -0800 GMT (19-Nov-20, 7:25 +0700 GMT),
Susanne wrote:





Wednesday, November 18, 2020, 3:17:09 PM, Thomas wrote:





 Please go to Options / Themes / Classic to turn it off. 



Thanks, but I know that. I want to change the background color of the account tree in classic!
I can change it in the message viewer, but can't find where to change the background of the various parts of the window otherwise (if possible).



Oh I see. I thought you wanted to get rid of the grey background of your messages.

I don't know whether it is possible to change the background colour of the account tree or any other parts independently, sorry.

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Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Title: Re: How to change the background color of the Tree with the account folders?


Hello Susanne,

On Wed, 18 Nov 2020 14:25:57 -0800 GMT (19-Nov-20, 5:25 +0700 GMT),
Susanne wrote:





 I'd really like to change the background of that area to a light grey, but can't find where to do that. I hope it's possible!
 The themes are unusable, because of the freezes, at this point.



Please go to Options / Themes / Classic to turn it off.

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Re: Change account from POP3 to IMAP

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Andrew,

On Wed, 23 Sep 2020 09:23:47 +0930 GMT (23-Sep-20, 6:53 +0700 GMT),
Andrew Savchenko wrote:

> Seeing that lately TB! gets stuck on receiving mail more often than it
> actually manages to complete the transaction, I have decided to try it via
> IMAP.

> Surprisingly, I can't quite figure out how to do it... Any hints?

> In account properties, under the "Transport" tab I can change the server name,
> port and auth. scheme, but how to switch from POP3 to IMAP?

You cannot switch an account. You have to create a new account, and create it 
as an IMAP account.

I did this for testing earlier, and you can actually have two accounts in TB! 
for the same email account at the same time: One being POP and the other being 
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Re: Downloading "old" gmail

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Avram,

On Tue, 22 Sep 2020 12:59:58 -0500 GMT (23-Sep-20, 0:59 +0700 GMT),
Avram Sacks wrote:

> How does one get The Bat to download "old" gmail from the gmail server?

> Specifically, I have a number of different gmail accounts through which I 
> access various list servs including TBUDL!  In some cases, I have had these 
> accounts for a longer period than for which the gmail messages have been 
> downloaded on to my hard drive.   Usually this is because I had set up the 
> accounts when I was an employee and the e-mail was downloaded to a work 
> computer.I am running out of the 15GB space that Google allows one to 
> have for free.  100% of it is due to gmail.   How to do I force The Bat 
> e-mail client to download the mail that is stored by Google, but is not on my 
> computer?   In one case, for example, I need to download all mail from 2005 - 
> 2011.  I have on my hard drive, all mail from 2011 to 9/22/2020.   So, I want 
> The Bat to download all mail from 2005 - 2011 for a particular account.   For 
> another account, it might be mail from 2012 - 2015.   etc.

Try Account / Dispatch Mail on Server / All Messages. See if the old messages 
are shown and if so, download only those.

Note that if you have many emails on server, it can take a long time until you 
see the Dispatacher with all the headers.

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Re: Site dowload speed

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Stefan,

On Thu, 17 Sep 2020 12:37:15 +0300 GMT (17-Sep-20, 16:37 +0700 GMT),
Stefan Tanurkov via TBUDL wrote:

> We're trying to solve the slow download issue which seems to happen to some 
> users. Those who experienced the download speed issue as well as those who 
> still haven't updated to the 9.2.3 release, could you please check what is 
> the download speed of the packages and what are the actual URL stated in the 
> browser's download list?

> Thank you!

> 64 bit:  https://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/thebat_64_9-2-3.msi

It downloaded a lot faster, within two minutes or so. (I am currently in a 
hotel by the beach, the internet is not too fast here.)

However, I received this warning:

QUOTE

This app might harm your device
Microsoft Defender SmartScreen reported that this app is not commonly 
downloaded; you should only open files you trust.
Name: thebat_64_9-2-3.msi
Publisher: MD, Chisinau, 42 Str. Eminescu Mihai, Ritlabs SRL, Ritlabs SRL

UNQUOTE

Furthermore, the task bar icon did not work, I had to create a new one.

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Re: v9.2.2 does not delete mail on server as scheduled

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Andrew,

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 22:17:23 +0930 GMT (16-Jul-20, 19:47 +0700 GMT),
Andrew Savchenko wrote:

> Hello,

> After resurrecting TB!  by reverting back to v9.1.X I have noticed it
> has started re-downloading all e-mails again.  This is a well-known bug
> and affects number of people at random.  You can find more details at
> https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1779.

> After logging into the Webmail interface, I have found that TB!  wasn't
> deleting old e-mails despite the option "Keep messages on server" being
> set to 1 day.

Please add a note to the bug report you mention. Thanks.

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Re: Why is TB downloading all server mail and not just new messages?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Achdut18,

On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 14:16:45 -0500 GMT (13-Jul-20, 2:16 +0700 GMT),
Achdut18 wrote:

> I have TB set up to download mail via POP and leave mail on the
> server for 180 days.   (IMAP doesn't seem to play nicely with The
> Bat, and, in any event, for back-up purposes, I prefer to have my
> own copy of all e-mail so that it can then be backed up through my
> own back-up protocols.)The reason for leaving mail on the server
> is to enable another computer, which is used more as a backup and is
> not used as frequently, to be able to download mail from the same
> accounts.  It also ensures that the mail is available for the cell
> phone.  For nearly 15 years this has worked just fine.  Today, I am
> now experiencing a situation in which TB is now attempting to
> download all ~4000 messages currently on the server and not just the
> new messages, of which there are are only less than a dozen.

Known bug, it happens rarely vbut does happen:
https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1779

> (I have stopped the process before it downloads more than a few
> dozen, each time I try.) This just started happening today. Last
> night the download process was working properly.

Go to: Account / Dispatch Message on Server / All Messages
Wait for the mail dispatcher to show the list of headers, it can take
a few minutes. Then hit ctrl-2 to toggle the tickmark off the Received
column for all messages, and then hit enter.

Alternatively, you can let TB re-download all emails and then use
Folder / Delete Duplicates. But that will usully take longer.

> What is curious is that this only happens with one of three
> accounts that I have on the same server/webmail mail host.These
> are NOT gmail accounts.   However, as an aside, I do not have this
> problem with any of the gmail accounts that I also have.

It happens with random accounts.

> What is causing this problem and how can I fix it?  Sure, I can
> download all 4000 messages and remove the duplicates, but (a) that
> takes time and (b) if the problem recurs I really need to known how to solve 
> the problem

Sure. See above.

> I notice on the toolbar, under "Account," there is a command:
> "dispatch mail on server," and then there is a choice for either
> "new messages" (ctrl + F2) or "all messages."   (shift+ctrl+F2).
> Is it possible that this is the source of the problem and that I
> unwittingly pressed "shift+ctrl+F2" at some point?Would merely
> pressing (ctrl+F2) fix this problem?

Well spotted. but this is not the problem, it is the solution. See
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Re: Incorrect "reply" highlighting in MicroEd

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Andrew,

On Sun, 21 Jun 2020 18:24:58 +0930 GMT (21-Jun-20, 15:54 +0700 GMT),
Andrew Savchenko wrote:

> Hello Thomas,

> Sunday, June 21, 2020, 12:43:06 PM, you wrote:

>> Mine is set to 10 characters (so your example above is not
>> highlighted), but you set it to any value that makes sense to you.

> Works. Shouldn't there be a more robust detection of the reply symbol?

> Currently TheBat seems to use: (.*>.*|^>.*)
> How about this instead: (^>\s.*|\w>.*)

> Latter would prevent detection of ">" somewhere mid-line.

I don't think so. Sometimes we want first and last name (i.e.
including a blank) before the quote indicator. Otherwise you can just
set the limit to zero and it won't be detected mid-line.

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Re: Account tree font

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Jack,

On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 17:51:34 -0500 GMT (21-Jun-20, 5:51 +0700 GMT),
Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

> I've just noticed that the font in my account tree has been changed. No idea 
> how
> it might have happened but would like to change it back to what it was. 
> Anybody
> know how to do that?

Go to: Options / Preferences / Message List / Fonts.

Over here, it says Segoe UI, which is the orginal font set by Ritlabs.
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Re: Incorrect "reply" highlighting in MicroEd

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Andrew,

On Sun, 21 Jun 2020 12:30:46 +0930 GMT (21-Jun-20, 10:00 +0700 GMT),
Andrew Savchenko wrote:

> This string of text is incorrectly highlighted as reply:

> ```
> X.X. Some text ">" that must not be highlighted as the reply...
> ```

> Before I create bug report, could someone please confirm?
> Screenshot attached.

Go to: Options / Preferences / Viewer/Editor Editor Preferences /
General / Quote Name Limit.

Mine is set to 10 characters (so your example above is not
highlighted), but you set it to any value that makes sense to you.

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Re: Are Roguemoticons still active?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Marck,

On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 09:54:11 +0100 GMT (10-Jun-20, 15:54 +0700 GMT),
Marck Pearlstone wrote:


> On 10 June 2020 at 04:37 Thomas Fernandez wrote and made these points

> ... 
>>> also not seen the Roguemoticon images displayed for a long time - one
>>> person said several years.

TF>> I understanding we are waiting for a volunteer to host and maintain
TF>> the Roguemoticon database. Until then, it won't work.

> Not quite. I offered years ago. Leif wasn't willing to pass the code /
> db  over to host at Silverstones and that's how it was left. Even with
> a  volunteer with a Apache/MySQL/PHP server we would still need to get
> the  site  code  and  db  dump  from  Leif, who may or may not be more
> willing now.

Oh, I see. Thanks for the clarification.

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Re: Are Roguemoticons still active?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MFPA,

On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 03:56:27 +0100 GMT (10-Jun-20, 9:56 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:

> In April 2017 I posted that I no longer see the Roguemoticon images
> displayed in the message header; nobody posted to confirm or differ. I
> posted again in March 2019 and four people replied that they had
> also not seen the Roguemoticon images displayed for a long time - one
> person said several years.

I understanding we are waiting for a volunteer to host and maintain
the Roguemoticon database. Until then, it won't work.

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Re: Are Roguemoticons still active?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MFPA,

On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 18:15:12 +0100 GMT (09-Jun-20, 0:15 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:

> That's right. The title now just says "Welcome to" without
> "Roguemoticons" on the end; most of the page is still the same.
> Probably better to look at one of the snapshots archived at Way Back
> Machine.
> https://web.archive.org/web/20160403233201/http://pcwize.com/thebat/

> A few of us on this list are still using an X-Rogue: header

>   Marck Pearlstone
>   Mark Partous
>   MAU
>   MFPA (me!)
>   Peter Meyns
>   Thomas Fernandez

> But I'm not convinced that it still does anything.

I haven't seen any Roguemoticons for a long while. I don't remember
when they stopped.

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Re: Forwarding Filter

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Susanne,

On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 09:25:41 -0700 GMT (05-Jun-20, 23:25 +0700 GMT),
Susanne wrote:

> Hello,

> Thursday, June 4, 2020, 8:32:04 PM, Thomas wrote:

>> Yes. You will see something like this:

>>>05-Jun-20, 10:29:08: FILTR - received message from sisk...@gmail.com (9030 
>>>bytes) (processed by "TBUDL"), URL: 
>>>msgid:1346052294.20200604202...@gmail.com?folder=\\Gmane\Bat%20TBUDL

>> The part '(processed by "TBUDL")' is the name of the filter in this
>> case.

> Strangely, I only see messages I sent logged in the account log. And
> messages deleted by a filter. Is there something I have to change in
> the settings? Mine is an IMAP account, if that makes any difference.
> Also, the messages deleted by a filter do not show me the name of the
> filter!
> Example: 6/5/2020, 07:03:22: FILTR - Message from em...@email.com is 
> deleted
> No further information to be seen.

I use only POP accounts, so the logging may be different.

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Re: Forwarding Filter

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Susanne,

On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 20:21:35 -0700 GMT (05-Jun-20, 10:21 +0700 GMT),
Susanne wrote:

> Hello,

> Thursday, June 4, 2020, 1:35:10 PM, MAU wrote:
>> Open  the  Account.log  by  clicking  on the Status bar at the bottom.
>> This  will  include  FETCH lines for each message downloaded and FILTR
>> lines  for  each  filter triggered. These should allow you to find out
>> which filter is actually forwarding messages.

> Thanks!
> I've just looked there, and I don't see where it specifies what filter
> triggered the response.

> It just says FILTR.
> Is there a way to find out more. I have quite a lot of filters! :)

> I have to wait for this particular filter to do the forwarding again,
> as I can only see today and yesterday in the account log.

Yes. You will see something like this:

>05-Jun-20, 10:29:08: FILTR - received message from sisk...@gmail.com (9030 
>bytes) (processed by "TBUDL"), URL: 
>msgid:1346052294.20200604202...@gmail.com?folder=\\Gmane\Bat%20TBUDL

The part '(processed by "TBUDL")' is the name of the filter in this
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Re: POP - "Getting number of messages"

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Bunker,

On Fri, 29 May 2020 12:55:12 +0530 GMT (29-May-20, 14:25 +0700 GMT),
bun...@eagle-mar.com wrote:

> Hi Thomas,

>>>How many messages is it trying to get? As I mentioned earlier, have
> you kept messages on server for the last 10 years, and TB has to
> download 1 million headers first to check whether the messages have
> already been downloaded?<<<

> ++

^ Something is wrong either with your reply template or the way
quoting is set up. The quote does not look like a quote.

> OK, I understand. Now there are only 1,900 messages in the server and
> still the connection centre is stuck getting number of messages.

That's not many, so this is not the problem.

> reason we keep the msgs on server is that in office, we download using
> POP and filtered into appropriate folders. then we got the email
> running in our mobile phones, then at home we got our laptops running
> on IMAP.

Yeah, I do the same, for the same reason.

> I could say that this issue propped up only about a month back.

> appreciate your advice.

Sorry, I have no further idea why download hangs sometimes.

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Re: POP - "Getting number of messages"

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Eagle,

On Thu, 28 May 2020 18:29:36 +0530 GMT (28-May-20, 19:59 +0700 GMT),
Eagle Maritime (Pvt) Limited wrote:

> Thank you both for your replies, But nothing is working!
> EMails checked every minute for the past 6 years without any issue at
> all. I even cleared the INBOX/SENT BOX but the problem still persists.
> Even with 25,000 emails in the INBOX, it was working perfectly.
> Attached is a screen shot of the CONNECTION CENTRE window. Here you
> will see that the connection is stuck at GETTING NUMBER OF MESSAGES.

How many messages is it trying to get? As I mentioned earlier, have
you kept messages on server for the last 10 years, and TB has to
download 1 million headers first to check whether the messages have
already been downloaded?

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Re: POP - "Getting number of messages"

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Bunker,

On Tue, 26 May 2020 12:55:50 +0530 GMT (26-May-20, 14:25 +0700 GMT),
bun...@eagle-mar.com wrote:

> I use POP to download messages, about 75 filters are used to place
> messages in appropriate folders as well.

> since of late, for about a month or so, it was observed that it takes
> a long time at ""Getting number of messages"

Do you leave all messages on the server? TB musst download all headers
first to see which emails haven't been downloaded yet. That's why I
leave no more than about 3000 - 4000 messages on the server, which at
one account is 14 days, at another 180 days.

Account / Properties / Mail Management / Keep messages on server for
... days

> and sometimes it just goes on unless I have to DELETE TASK or ABORT
> ALL.

It goes on? Do you mean the it keeps downloading mails or it is stuck
at Getting...?

> Sometimes, it checks immediately as usually done.

It may also be an instable connection with your server.

> I have set auto check of emails every one minute.

Why? If you already checked your emails now, do you think another
important message that came a minute later cannot wait to be
downaloded for a few more minutes? If so, email might not be right for
you, yoou might be looking for an instant messenger. I check very 10
minutes.

> Is there any suggestions/remedy for this?

Just some ideas.

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Re: Hotkeys for expanding/collapsing threads?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Melissa,

On Thu, 21 May 2020 14:00:34 -0800 GMT (22-May-20, 5:00 +0700 GMT),
Melissa Reese wrote:

> In any event, I'd at least appreciate being reminded of the hotkey
> combinations for expanding and collapsing individual threads. Any help here,
> and for finding the list of all other key combinations would be very much
> appreciated.

I expand threads by using <+>, collapsing by using <->.
I don't know how I know this, it's just muscle memory in my fingers.

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Re: Future of TB* mailing lists

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Marck,

On Sun, 10 May 2020 09:52:20 +0100 GMT (10-May-20, 15:52 +0700 GMT),
Marck Pearlstone wrote:

AS>> Things that come to mind, in no particular order:

AS>> * Increase size limits for attachments.

> TBBETA has a 75kb limit and TBUDL 25kb.

> I suggest 150 for TBBETA and 100 for TBUDL. Thoughts?

Let's try this.

AS>> * Remove or, at very least, update "current version" footer.

> I  will  take  back  control  (where  have  I  heard  that before?) of
> maintenance for this number.

Thank you!

AS>> * Consider merging TDUDL/TBBETA into one.

> That's  a  very large "NO". There are 2 distinct audiences - those who
> test  new  features  and  those who want help with the current release
> version as end users.

I totally agree. Let's leave the lists separate.

AS>> * Collate available TheBat! documentation / FAQs / Tips.
AS>> * etc.

> That's  something  I did very enthusiastically back at the start. They
> have  not  been  maintained  and  over  the years have become somewhat
> dated.

It's a lot of work, and I believe Ritlabs can outsource it if tyhey
don't have the manpower. I do think it would help them increase sales,
so that will be money well spent for them. So, we can put it on the
wishlist.

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Re: Backup with Errors

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello David,

On Sat, 9 May 2020 19:13:08 +0100 GMT (10-May-20, 1:13 +0700 GMT),
David Elliott wrote:

> Hi Thomas,

> On Sun, 3 May 2020, at 20:24:30 [which was on Sunday at 14:24 where I live] 
> you wrote:

>> [...]

>>> When I said previously "I don't have a .TBI of a .EBI file". I
>>> should have said "I don't have any .TBI of a .EBI file in any directory"

> [...]

>>>  Directory of E:\Users\Administrator\The Bat\Mail\Elliott\Inbox

>> [...]
>>> 03/05/2020  12:37 7,232,226 MESSAGES.TBN

>> This should be the file. Rather than deleting it, rename it (I would
>> rename into message.tbn_old, but that's only my system). This way, you
>> can still rename it back if I am wrong.

> Different error now.

> ---
> Maintenance Centre
> ---
> Stream read error "E:\Users\Administrator\The
> Bat\Mail\Elliott\Inbox\MESSAGES.TBB" Data error (cyclic redundancy check)
> ---
> OK
> ---

Before you started the Maintenance Center, did you recreate the index
file as per my suggestion? Could you access the messages?

Now you have an error in the message base. I don't know what the error
message means.

Is it the same folder?

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Re: Reply all quoting selected text

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Andrew,

On Sun, 10 May 2020 11:21:38 +0930 GMT (10-May-20, 8:51 +0700 GMT),
Andrew Savchenko wrote:

> Hello MAU,

> Sunday, May 10, 2020, 6:07:47 AM, you wrote:

>> Sorry,   no   attachment.   Can   you   upload   the   screenshot   to
>> http://www.canyonero.com/ and send the link? thanks a lot.

> Here we go: https://i.imgur.com/YoFRdGV.png

Your contect menu is different from mine. What viwer/editor do you
use? I use MicroEd.

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Re: Reply all quoting selected text

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Susanne,

On Sat, 9 May 2020 08:27:01 -0700 GMT (09-May-20, 22:27 +0700 GMT),
Susanne wrote:

> Saturday, May 9, 2020, 1:15:04 AM, MAU wrote:

>>> I am using "reply to all using selected text".

>> Excuse my ignorance and/or blindness. Where can I find that option?

> Highlight the part you want to quote, right click inside the
> message, click "message" then "reply to all quoting selected text".

I don't have any reply option in the context menu while in the
message, highlighted text or not. I  have "Reply" in the context menu
when right-clicking on the message in the message list.

I have "Reply" and "Reply to all" in the drop down menu under Message
in the Message Viewer.

I cannot find "Reply to all quoting selected text" anywwhwere.

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Re: Reply all quoting selected text

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Susanne,

On Sun, 3 May 2020 16:06:42 -0700 GMT (04-May-20, 6:06 +0700 GMT),
Susanne wrote:

>> I have tried the same action here and it works. Perhaps try on another
>> message to be sure? Also, are you using v9.1.18?

>>> By the way, is there a short cut for "reply using selected text",
>>> since I can't currently create a button for that?

>> Right click on any toolbar --> Customize --> Shortcuts.

> I've tried on multiple messages.

> And in Shortcuts, "reply to all using selected text" is not a choice as far 
> as I can tell.

> I am running 9.1.18.

> Maybe I'm just unlucky! I vastly preferred the previous version
> (can't quite remember the number, latest v.8)
> to this one.

I'm with you here. I often select text and then hit F4 to reply to the
sender, but I cannot find a shortcut or mouse-click to use selected
text and reply to all.

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Re: Backup with Errors

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello David,

On Sun, 3 May 2020 12:52:31 +0100 GMT (03-May-20, 18:52 +0700 GMT),
David Elliott wrote:

[...]

>> This is not the directory you want to look in. This is the accoount
>> directory, under that you have subdirectories named the same as the
>> folders in your account. If you have not created any new folders, you
>> will find only the standard folders Inbox, Send, Trash (maybe one or
>> two others, I forgot).

> I have created many folders.

>> So, if you have not created any folders, go to the directory Inbox.
>> Here you will find two files: messages.tbb and messages.tbi. It is the
>> latter that you want to delete while TheBat is closed. Reopen TheBat
>> and the index is recreated when you go to that folder in TheBat (may
>> take a couple of seconds if there are a lot of messages in there).

> When I said previously "I don't have a .TBI of a .EBI file". I
> should have said "I don't have any .TBI of a .EBI file in any directory"

> [ ... ]

> Example of a correct directory listing
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 8<
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> [DELTA-S2]
> 03/05/2020 12:50:07.06
> E:\Users\Administrator\The Bat\Mail\Elliott\Inbox
>>dir
>  Volume in drive E is Data
>  Volume Serial Number is FC64-460A

>  Directory of E:\Users\Administrator\The Bat\Mail\Elliott\Inbox

[...]
> 03/05/2020  12:37 7,232,226 MESSAGES.TBN

This should be the file. Rather than deleting it, rename it (I would
rename into message.tbn_old, but that's only my system). This way, you
can still rename it back if I am wrong.

By the way, I don't know what all these .csdsig files are. I don't
have them, maybe someone else has an idea.

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Re: Backup with Errors

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello David,

On Sat, 2 May 2020 12:07:49 +0100 GMT (02-May-20, 18:07 +0700 GMT),
David Elliott wrote:

>>> I am having problems with my backup.
>>> I was on the last of version 6 and I started getting these errors.
>>> As I am moving to a new computer I thought I would first upgrade to
>>> the latest version, then transfer it across.

>>> I have three folders in different accounts all giving these errors.
>>> Problem is that I don't have a .TBI of a .EBI file.

>>> Any idea what I can do so I can get a backup done?

>>> Screen shot of error

>> The screenshot did not come through. Can you upload it, or can you
>> tell us what it said?

> :(

> Text of the error.

> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 8<
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> An Error occurred whilst storing data of the folder
> \\Elliott\Inbox

> It is possible that the message base index file is damaged - try to delete
> the index file (.TBI/.EBI) and re-read the folder, then try to backup again
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 8<
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Noted, this tells me something.

>>> Directory listing

> included a snip of the directory listing
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 8<
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> 25/04/2020  20:00   267,680 ACCOUNT.~FLB
[...]

This is not the directory you want to look in. This is the accoount
directory, under that you have subdirectories named the same as the
folders in your account. If you have not created any new folders, you
will find only the standard folders Inbox, Send, Trash (maybe one or
two others, I forgot).

So, if you have not created any folders, go to the directory Inbox.
Here you will find two files: messages.tbb and messages.tbi. It is the
latter that you want to delete while TheBat is closed. Reopen TheBat
and the index is recreated when you go to that folder in TheBat (may
take a couple of seconds if there are a lot of messages in there).

If you have created folders within TheBat and the error occurs when
yoou try to open one of them, you will find a directory with the same
name under your account directory. Delete the messages.tbi file in the
appropriate subdirectory while TheBat is closed.

Note: messages.tbb is your message base. If you delete that, you have
deleted all your messages. messages.tbi is the index file. This is
tthe file taht seems ot be correupted. If TheBat does not find an
index file when the folder is opened, it will create one from scratch.
This file contains the flags, such as "flagged", "deleted", "parked"
and so on. Therefore, previously deleted messages will show up again,
unless you compacted the folder after you had deleted them.

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Re: Formatting

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Jack,

On Sat, 2 May 2020 15:14:31 -0500 GMT (03-May-20, 3:14 +0700 GMT),
Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

DE Try Ctrl + shift + V

>>> I've run into the same problem as Tom and that does seem to work. May I ask
>>> where in TB you found that?

TF>> When you want to paste, right-click on where you want to paste to. In
TF>> the context menu, you have Paste (which uses the original font and
TF>> formating, same as ctril-V) and you have Paste as Plaintext
TF>> (shift-crtl-V).

> Doh! Yes, of course. I just never noticed the keyboard equivalent in the 
> context
> menu before. Tunnel vision.

> Anyway, thanks for the reply and the original tip.

You're most welcome, and I'm glad I could be of help.

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Re: Backup with Errors

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello David,

On Fri, 1 May 2020 15:27:28 +0100 GMT (01-May-20, 21:27 +0700 GMT),
David Elliott wrote:

> Hello Hive Mind,

> I am having problems with my backup.
> I was on the last of version 6 and I started getting these errors.
> As I am moving to a new computer I thought I would first upgrade to
> the latest version, then transfer it across.

> I have three folders in different accounts all giving these errors.
> Problem is that I don't have a .TBI of a .EBI file.

> Any idea what I can do so I can get a backup done?

> Screen shot of error

The screenshot did not come through. Can you upload it, or can you
tell us what it said?

> Directory listing



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Re: Formatting

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Jack,

On Fri, 1 May 2020 11:16:56 -0500 GMT (01-May-20, 23:16 +0700 GMT),
Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

DE>> Try Ctrl + shift + V

> I've run into the same problem as Tom and that does seem to work. May I ask
> where in TB you found that?

When you want to paste, right-click on where you want to paste to. In
the context menu, you have Paste (which uses the original font and
formating, same as ctril-V) and you have Paste as Plaintext
(shift-crtl-V).

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Re: Eek! Did I really lose--forever--all emails in my IMAP Inbox?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MFPA,

On Thu, 23 Apr 2020 00:24:38 +0100 GMT (23-Apr-20, 6:24 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:

>> I could, but that's not how I work. I BCC all messages to myself.
>> Different folks, different strokes.

> Do you not feel the need to keep a local messagebase of the incoming
> messages to IMAP accounts?

My reply above is about outgoing messages.

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Re: Eek! Did I really lose--forever--all emails in my IMAP Inbox?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MFPA,

On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 19:11:32 +0100 GMT (22-Apr-20, 1:11 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:

>> Besides, Exchange uses a proprietary protocol, and TheBat has no
>> native support for it (any more).

> Has support been removed recently? My "Create New Account" wizard in
> TB! v8.8.2.5 still has the option of "MAPI(Microsoft Exchange)", the
> other two options being "Auto" and "IMAP or POP".

From bug report https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1427 :

QUOTE

This is not a bug. We removed the DLLs for EWS intentionally. Please
refer to the release notes of The Bat! v8.0 at
https://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/revision-history/7026/

Quote: "The Bat! MSI installation package no longer include EWS DLL
files. As a result, The Bat! would not support Exchange Web Services
(EWS) protocol until you manually download a DLL and store it un the
same directory where thebat32.exe/thebat64.exe resides.

UNQUOTE

I see you are talking about MAPI, not EWS.

>> I'm back to POP only. However, there are some people on this list
>> who prefer IMAP.

> Couldn't you have "best of both" by using IMAP but having TB! copy all
> messages to a local archive folder? That way, you could have the local
> message store but still access all of your email from multiple devices
> using a proper mail client. Or am I missing something?

I could, but that's not how I work. I BCC all messages to myself.
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Re: Eek! Did I really lose--forever--all emails in my IMAP Inbox?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Melissa,

On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 10:54:22 -0800 GMT (21-Apr-20, 1:54 +0700 GMT),
Melissa Reese wrote:

>>> I really don't know what happened, but all of a sudden, the main
>>> inbox of my one IMAP account (my main email account!) is EMPTY!

>> I don't know much about IMAP accounts, never used one but, wasn't
>> that the idea of IMAP, to keep all email at the server?

> That's what I thought.  I called my email server provider late last
> night, and they were able to provide at least a partial solution for
> the moment (restored email in that folder going back as far as 7
> March, 2020 -- though I've been using this IMAP installation since
> August, 2019).  I'm still waiting to hear about what happened to the
> rest.

> Next week, they'll be migrating me to what they say will be a better
> version of IMAP-like protocol -- "Exchange"?  I guess I'll see what
> happens moving forward.

Between IMAP, POP and Exchange, Exchange is the worst. My university
uses it, and I fought with it for a while, but was happy when I found
out that the Microsoft Exchange server now also supports IMAP and POP.
Besides, Exchange uses a proprietary protocol, and TheBat has no native
support for it (any more).

>> Is it an gmail account? Have you tried logging in from a browser and
>> see?

> Not gmail. Nor is it the account through which I'm sending this
> message. It's on my own domain. It's a service I've had through
> GoDaddy for many years now (POP3 until last August, when I decided to
> give IMAP a try).

Yes, I also tried IMAP with one account for a while, just to get a
feel for it. I'm back to POP only. However, there are some people on
this list who prefer IMAP.

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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Paul,

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 10:59:28 -0400 GMT (16-Apr-20, 21:59 +0700 GMT),
Paul Van Noord wrote:

> 4/16/2020  10:41 AM

> Hi Thomas,

> On 4/15/2020 Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF>> Hello Paul,

TF>> On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:17:14 -0400 GMT (15-Apr-20, 22:17 +0700 GMT),
TF>> Paul Van Noord wrote:

>>>>>> There will have been a reason for that, don't you think?

>>>>> Isn't the Beta usually taken down when Ritlabs issues a new Beta
>>>>> or release version?

TF>>>> That's correct. It has become useless, as any bugs found should not be
TF>>>> distributed any more. That's the whole idea of beta testing.

>>> There have been multiple occasions in the past where a given beta caused
>>> problems  for me requiring me to go to a previous version. This is why I
>>> keep  copies  of  all acceptable betas. "Latest and greatest" are not
>>> synonymous!

TF>> Yes, beta versions can have problems, that's why users of beta
TF>> versions are called beta testers, and they participate in the beta
TF>> forum (or mailing list, as it is in the case of TheBat) and report
TF>> back. There is never a reason for someone who is not a beta tester to
TF>> download any beta version.

TF>> Once the release version is out, there is no need to revert back to a
TF>> beta version.

TF>> Otherwise, there would be something fundamentally wrong with the beta
TF>> process. I'm not saying saying this never happens in the world, I am
TF>> just saying it would be highly unusual if you have to revert back from
TF>> a release version to a beta version to make have a better version.

> I  have  been  a  TB user for 32 years. I have been a beta tester for at
> least 12 years. Perhaps my TB experience exceeds your experience. I have
> clients  all  over  the  world.  I  fail to appreciate someone of lesser
> experience  telling me the "facts". A closed mind slams the door shut on
> ability to learn.

You are right here, I bow to your experience. I have only be a beta
tester for TB for 21 years. My MSc in Computing is already more than
10 years old, and my programming skills that started in 1978 are a bit
rusty by now, so they don't count. I feel privileged to have found a
master in you.

> My  methods  have  proven their value in the test of time and experience
> for  me  and  my  clients.  Since  I highly customize the TB ui for each
> client.  It  is  absurd  that a release of a MSI would be published with
> this  glaring  defect.  It  forced  me  back  to  a  beta  where Toolbar
> Customization worked as it did for many years!

Yes, as I said: It is the exception. The exception does not make it a
rule though. If I were you, I would not use beta versions with my
clients, but that's your decision. I would test the new releases
myself before upgrading, and if I cannot recommend them, would go back
to the previous release. Not any beta version; I would recommend them
only for beta testers, never for production and especially not for
clients.

But that's me, and people work differently. And here is a fact: I hope
the IT guy in my company does not install any beta versions on our
computers.

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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Andrew,

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 20:11:14 +0930 GMT (16-Apr-20, 17:41 +0700 GMT),
Andrew Savchenko wrote:

>> This is getting off-topic. Anyway, I am not a beta tester for Windows,
>> and the update is automatic. I am not following the Win10 version
>> numbers and never had a desire to go back to any beta version before
>> the release version that I am using. There is absolutely no reason to
>> go back to a beta version that is older than the release version you
>> are using, is there?

> I agree with the "off-topic" statement. Let's say we have our
> differences, which is fine, as both approaches have right for existence.

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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Andrew,

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 19:23:49 +0930 GMT (16-Apr-20, 16:53 +0700 GMT),
Andrew Savchenko wrote:

> Hello Thomas,

> Thursday, April 16, 2020, 10:40:58 AM, you wrote:

>> There is never a reason for someone who is not a beta tester to
>> download any beta version.

>> Once the release version is out, there is no need to revert back to a
>> beta version.

> Those are rather broad statements.

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> Following the logic from above, how come you are not running the latest
> stable Windows? Build 18362 is neither most recent one nor LTSC.

This is getting off-topic. Anyway, I am not a beta tester for Windows,
and the update is automatic. I am not following the Win10 version
numbers and never had a desire to go back to any beta version before
the release version that I am using. There is absolutely no reason to
go back to a beta version that is older than the release version you
are using, is there?

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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Paul,

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:17:14 -0400 GMT (15-Apr-20, 22:17 +0700 GMT),
Paul Van Noord wrote:

 There will have been a reason for that, don't you think?

>>> Isn't the Beta usually taken down when Ritlabs issues a new Beta
>>> or release version?

TF>> That's correct. It has become useless, as any bugs found should not be
TF>> distributed any more. That's the whole idea of beta testing.

> There have been multiple occasions in the past where a given beta caused
> problems  for me requiring me to go to a previous version. This is why I
> keep  copies  of  all acceptable betas. "Latest and greatest" are not
> synonymous!

Yes, beta versions can have problems, that's why users of beta
versions are called beta testers, and they participate in the beta
forum (or mailing list, as it is in the case of TheBat) and report
back. There is never a reason for someone who is not a beta tester to
download any beta version.

Once the release version is out, there is no need to revert back to a
beta version.

Otherwise, there would be something fundamentally wrong with the beta
process. I'm not saying saying this never happens in the world, I am
just saying it would be highly unusual if you have to revert back from
a release version to a beta version to make have a better version.

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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MFPA,

On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:26:49 +0100 GMT (14-Apr-20, 22:26 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:

> On Tuesday 14 April 2020 at 12:43:19 PM, in
> , Thomas Fernandez wrote:-


>> There will have been a reason for that, don't you think?

> Isn't the Beta usually taken down when Ritlabs issues a new Beta
> or release version?

That's correct. It has become useless, as any bugs found should not be
distributed any more. That's the whole idea of beta testing.

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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Thomas,

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 23:08:09 +0700 GMT (13-Apr-20, 23:08 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF>>> Anyway, I have never used command line parameters. I just added that
TF>>> parameter in the shortcut (with and without blank after ...exe) but
TF>>> Windows complains. What should I do?

>> This one worked for me:

>> "C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat64.exe" /tls_disable_ecdhe

>> Hope it helps.

> Yes it did, and guess what: I just downloaded the mails from my Gmail
> account! Thanks.

> Note (FWIW): It works when using the gmail.com servers. On the other
> account, which I set to googlemail.com, TB asked me for the password.
> Of course, I hadn't changed it, but I changed the servers to gmail.com
> and it worked.

When sending, TB sends me a pop-up dialog each and every single time.
I have to click OK, but there is no way that I can say "accept this
cert for good".

Update: I just switched from "Internal Implementation" back to
"Microsoft CryptoAPI", and now the dialog does not appear any more.

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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Andrew,

On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 21:03:04 +0930 GMT (14-Apr-20, 18:33 +0700 GMT),
Andrew Savchenko wrote:

>> Good to hear. Don't download from unauthrotised sites.
[...]

> v8.8.9.12 files were removed from RT's website, that is the only reason I
> have provided those links.

There will have been a reason for that, don't you think?

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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Luca,

On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 12:20:31 +0200 GMT (14-Apr-20, 17:20 +0700 GMT),
Luca via TBUDL wrote:

> Andrew Savchenko:

>> Hello Paul,
>>
>> Friday, April 10, 2020, 7:43:01 AM, you wrote:
>>
>> >>> I'm comfy with the late v.8, I would appreciate very much if I could 
>> >>> downgrade
>> >>> and keep on with that while v.9 grows mature.
>>
>> S>> I wholeheartedly agree!
>> S>> The customization, where even available, doesn't stick. It reverts
>> S>> back to the default after each restart!
>>
>> > The behavior is the same here.
>>
>> Latest v8 beta available in public:
>> https://mega.nz/file/JktHDQDT#zki2R-F6loABaYNkKeVa_H5nPtPt4Wg9QaMEUDH9KSk
>> http://uploaded.net/file/gvpoinfr

> It won't work!

Good to hear. Don't download from unauthrotised sites.

> A new 8.x release should be issued to solve the problem. I cannot
> see any on the beta list.

Here are the release versions: 
https://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/archive-versions.php
The release version of v8 was issued after *all* the betas for v8. Why
you want to download a beta version with bugs that there fixed in the
release is beyond me.

If you are interested in contributing to beta testing though, it will
be better to subscribe to TBBETA and get the versions from Ritlabs
rather than from some unauthorised sites where you don't know what you
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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Thomas,

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 23:08:09 +0700 GMT (13-Apr-20, 23:08 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF>>> Anyway, I have never used command line parameters. I just added that
TF>>> parameter in the shortcut (with and without blank after ...exe) but
TF>>> Windows complains. What should I do?

>> This one worked for me:

>> "C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat64.exe" /tls_disable_ecdhe

>> Hope it helps.

> Yes it did, and guess what: I just downloaded the mails from my Gmail
> account! Thanks.

> Note (FWIW): It works when using the gmail.com servers. On the other
> account, which I set to googlemail.com, TB asked me for the password.
> Of course, I hadn't changed it, but I changed the servers to gmail.com
> and it worked.

When sending, TB sends me a pop-up dialog each and every single time.
I have to click OK, but there is no way that I can say "accept this
cert for good".

Update: I just switched from "Internal Implementation" back to
"Microsoft CryptoAPI", and now the dialog does not appear any more.

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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello David,

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 09:57:44 -0600 GMT (13-Apr-20, 22:57 +0700 GMT),
David Shepherd wrote:

> Monday, April 13, 2020, 9:39:36 AM, you wrote:

TF>> Anyway, I have never used command line parameters. I just added that
TF>> parameter in the shortcut (with and without blank after ...exe) but
TF>> Windows complains. What should I do?

> This one worked for me:

> "C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat64.exe" /tls_disable_ecdhe

> Hope it helps.

Yes it did, and guess what: I just downloaded the mails from my Gmail
account! Thanks.

Note (FWIW): It works when using the gmail.com servers. On the other
account, which I set to googlemail.com, TB asked me for the password.
Of course, I hadn't changed it, but I changed the servers to gmail.com
and it worked.

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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MFPA,

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 14:41:35 +0100 GMT (13-Apr-20, 20:41 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:

> On Sunday 12 April 2020 at 3:39:44 AM, in
> , Thomas Fernandez wrote:-

>> Interesting, because my error message mentions avast:

>>>[...]
>>>12-Apr-20, 09:31:04: FETCH - Issuer: generated by
>>>avast! antivirus for SSL/TLS scanning, avast! Web/Mail
>>>Shield, avast! Web/Mail Shield Root.

> Avast inserts itself as a proxy or "man in the middle" to be able to
> scan the traffic on SSL/TLS/HTTPS connections. That's why the
> certificate says "generated by avast! antivirus for SSL/TLS scanning".
> That certificate is only used to encrypt the connection from Avast to
> The Bat!. A quick web search on "antivirus tls scanning" suggests that
> AVG and Kapersky do it this way as well

So it is not an avast problem but a TB problem. I think we already
established that.

> Do you get the same if, under Options | S/MIME and TLS..., you tell
> The Bat! to use Microsoft CryptoAPI (Windows Certificate Store)
> instead of Internal Implementation (The Bat! Address Book)?

Yes. I did that some time ago, I forgot the reason. I have now
switched it back to Internal Implementation, but to no avail. Even
after restart of TB, I still get the same error message.

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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MFPA,

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:48:02 +0100 GMT (13-Apr-20, 21:48 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:

> On Monday 13 April 2020 at 2:41:35 PM, in
> , MFPA wrote:-

> Never mind what else I wrote. I have a gmail account I rarely use. I
> checked incoming mail and got the "certificate cannot be used for this
> purpose" error message.

I had this error in the beginning. Now it is "TLS protocol error:
Internal error BuildClientKeyExchange."

> The solution that has worked for me for the last ten minutes is to use
> the command line parameter /tls_disable_ecdhe as suggested at
> https://support.google.com/mail/thread/38537691?hl=en#recommended-answers.
> I'll just have to remember to remove the command line parameter when I
> migrate to a TB! version 9.1910 or higher.

In that thread, Max says that the problem is solved in 9.1.10. That is
not the case.

Anyway, I have never used command line parameters. I just added that
parameter in the shortcut (with and without blank after ...exe) but
Windows complains. What should I do?

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