Re: sending e-mail to a group with only group name appearing in recipient's "to" field

2021-02-14 Thread Bill McQuillan

I think that the Mass Mailing feature was designed for this.
However, it will show each recipient's address in the To: field rather
than the name of the Group.

I am using version 6.0.12 with an even more obsolete Help File, so
your mileage may vary. :-)

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Re: OAUTH Grayed Out

2020-11-23 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Mon, 2020-11-23, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:
> Hello MFPA,



> I suspect it's me, particularly since no one else seems to have mentioned it 
> but
> your emails have started to come through as black on black text. Your cut mark
> and the rest of your sig is pale gray on black. It's only if I click on REPLY
> that I can see the body of your text (as above). My view mode is folder tree 
> on
> the left, email list on the right and email contents at the bottom (Full-width
> Preview pane).

> Is it me?

No, it's not.

I have been seeing the same thing for a few days. I tried swiping the
cursor over the contents of the email (to select it) and the black on
black text appeared.

I also tried looking at the source (F9) and I could not immediately
see any reason for this in the HTML.

I am using TB v 6.0.12 like you so that may have something to do with
it.

> -- 
> Regards,
> Jack
> Central Alabama USA

> The Bat! E-Mail Client by Ritlabs version 6.0.12
> Windows 10 Home Build 9200


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Re: Account tree font

2020-06-21 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Sun, 2020-06-21, Paul Van Noord wrote:

>>>> I've just noticed that the font in my account tree has been changed. No 
>>>> idea how
>>>> it might have happened but would like to change it back to what it was. 
>>>> Anybody
>>>> know how to do that?

TF>>> Go to: Options / Preferences / Message List / Fonts.

TF>>> Over here, it says Segoe UI, which is the orginal font set by Ritlabs.
TF>>> Maybe this got changed unintentionally with an unknown keyboard shortcut.

I think that you should try:
   Options / Preferences / System / Account Tree Font


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The Whole BODY of the Message

2016-09-17 Thread Bill McQuillan
This issue may be peripherally related to the previous exchange of
messages (DSN).

I am trying to write a Template for the Save operation that will
produce a text file with the entire raw message, as received by TB!

If it is a simple text only message, the Template:

  %Headers%Text%-

works fine. (I'm not sure if the trailing %- is necessary.)

However, in a more complex message with HTML parts and/or attachments,
only the first, text part is output. This is especially problematic
since "Content-Type: Multipart/Mixed" is retained in the Headers
portion.

The only way I have been able to accomplish the task is through the
use of Export Messages, but that interface is poor and doesn't even
allow me to specify a file name.

I have tried replacing the %Text with %Body and %OBody and a few
others without success.

Does anybody know of a macro that produces the entire content of the
raw message?

Thanks for your attention,
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Re: Access Violation error message

2015-04-07 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Tue, 2015-04-07, Fred wrote:
 I only get them on the odd occasion.

 That's my experience -- I get a message such as that every once in a while,
 but I don't worry too much about it. With Windows, It's Not All Ones and
 Zeros anyway... :-)

I also get this, very occasionally, and the once or twice that I
investigated the stack traceback that was produced, it seemed
that The Bat! had called a Windows kernel procedure that was the
actual source of the offending instruction. I figured this
absolved The Bat! and looked no further.

I was pleased, however, upon restarting The Bat! that no data
seemed to have been lost.

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Re: Voyager: desperately need a hack to associate mailto: URLs to Voyager.

2014-09-18 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Wed, 2014-09-17, Luca wrote:

 I desperately need a registry hack, or any sort of solution, to have my
 Windows 7 run Voyager, not Outlook, when I click on mailto: URLs.

I haven't thoroughly tested it, but in my version of The Bat! 
going to Options | Preferences then go to the Associations tab 
and you should be able to set the MailTo: option and then press 
Associate Now.

Hope this helps.

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Re: 5.4 Quick Filtering

2013-07-29 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Mon, 2013-07-29, Rick wrote:
 I seem to remember that there was SOME keystroke that would filter the
 currently  viewed  folder  base  on  the message you were viewing (all
 email  in  the  folder from that sender for instance) I am not talking
 about copying to the search box and letting it create a tab

Try holding the Alt-shift while left-clicking on the particular 
field in the message list. (Esc to undo.)

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Re: Memo popup hotkey

2013-07-22 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Mon, 2013-07-22, MAU wrote:

 I know there is a way to associate a memo with a message and that 
 there is a hotkey that pops up the form.

 Try SHIFTCTRLI, it works here.

 I found this in the archive, in this 13 year old post:

 http://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg17514.html

That's it!

I just put it in my personal cheatsheet text file.

Thanks for the quick response.

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Memo popup hotkey

2013-07-21 Thread Bill McQuillan
Bat folk,

I know there is a way to associate a memo with a message and that 
there is a hotkey that pops up the form.

However, I haven't used it in months and I can't remember the key 
sequence. The help is NO help, the word memo doesn't even 
appear in the index!

I think I learned of the hotkey in an earlier version of The Bat! 
holp.

Anybody know what I am talking about?

Angry aside
The criminal lack of documentation for this awesomely complex 
mail client will probably be the ultimate reason I'll abandon 
it.
/Angry aside

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Re: Fonts et al

2013-05-01 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Tue, 2013-04-30, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

 OK, so what happens if the HTML message describes Comic Sans Serife,
 and I don't have that on my computer? Does Windows - or TB! - show a
 default font?

Yep.

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Re: Fonts et al

2013-04-30 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Tue, 2013-04-30, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

 And for those who said that the fonts don't travel with the message:
 Try to enable the HTML viewer in your TB!. I have it enabled, because
 I receive many emails in which formatting is needed, for example
 tables.

OK, this is going to get nitpicky and techy!

A typeface is a description of the relative shapes of the 
characters, like Arial, Comic Sans MS, or Times New Roman. 
These can take huge files of pseudo-code to specify. They are not 
usually sent with an HTML message.

Technically, a font is when the typeface is further 
constrained by size (e.g., 12 point), weight (regular, bold), 
color and sometimes other attributes (e.g., strikethru).

What gets sent with an HTML email is a font description for each 
particular string of characters (font names, size, weight, color, etc). 

Note that font names is a list of names in order to try on the
receiving end. For example (Arial, Helvetica, san serife)
This means: use Arial if you've got it, otherwise use Helvetica,
or as a last resort use your default san serife font).

In any case once an acceptable font has been found, the size, 
weight, color, etc. are then applied.

Hope this helps.

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Re: Headers in preview pane

2013-04-18 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Wed, 2013-04-17, Tony Hoare wrote:
 Hello Thomas,
 Rihgt-click in the grey header field, and choose Headers- from the
 context menu.
 It only shows is the scrollable area and not the fixed (permanently
 showing) area.

Then Right click in the header area and choose Headers - Edit Headers 
and click on Received and chose Edit.

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Re: How to get rid of the X-Priority field

2012-03-13 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Mon, 2012-03-12, Alto Speckhardt wrote:

 Has anybody found a trick to get rid of this ugly field?

 Just curious: Why would one bother?

Mostly esthetics.

The X-Priority: 3 (Normal) field is meaningless both due to its
non-standard nature and, by supposedly indicating Normal, adds
no value to the message. 

I note that the X-Mailer header field, which is also internal,
can be turned off in the Preferences.

I have been active in the Internet Engineering Task Force (IETF)
for a number of years in the area of email protocols and I have
previously been mocked by other participants for shortcomings in
the email software I was using, so perhaps I am a bit sensitive.

I am sorry that my challenge has sent this group off on a bit 
of a tangent!

Thanks to all for the interest and answers.

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Re: How to get rid of the X-Priority field

2012-03-13 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Tue, 2012-03-13, Arjan de Groot wrote:
 On Sun, 11 Mar 2012 12:54:04 -0700, Bill McQuillan wrote:

I have noticed that TB puts:

  X-Priority: 3 (Normal)
 SNIP
Has anybody found a trick to get rid of this ugly field?

 If you really hate this header you could try loading thebat.exe in a
 HEX-editor and null out all 2  (Low), 4 (Normal) and 4 (High)
 text strings you can find. I tried it on a sandboxed Beta! specimen
 and it worked.

 Back in the good old days it used to be quite a sport to use this
 method in order to modify headers in the newsreader Forte Agent. 
 There even used to be a usenet newsgroup especially dedicated to 
 it: alt.usenet.offline-reader.forte-agent.modified.

Clever thought!

It's been years since I tried that kind of patch. I'll look in to 
it.

Thanks.

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How to get rid of the X-Priority field

2012-03-11 Thread Bill McQuillan
TBUDLers,

Well, since my previous question went so well.  ;-)

I have noticed that TB puts:

  X-Priority: 3 (Normal)

in every message that I send. This is non-standard and not what I 
would like to see in my messages. So, in my message templates I 
include the line:

  %SetHeader(X-Priority,)%-

This has no effect! It still shows up.

I have a similar line to get rid of the Reply-To that TB puts in 
unnecessarily and that *does* work.

Has anybody found a trick to get rid of this ugly field?

Thanks, again, in advance.

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Automatic selection of viewer per folder

2012-03-03 Thread Bill McQuillan
Does anybody know of a mechanism  by which I can designate the 
viewer preference for each folder rather than all of TB?

That is - I have my preferences set on View HTML messages 
using: and also View messages with alternative layout (Text and 
HTML) as: both set to: HTML and Plain Text version (show HTML 
first but also have a tab for plain text).

After my incoming messages have been sorted to particular folders
I find that the messages in SOME folders would be better handled
by the setting: Plain Text Version and HTML (thus initially
showing the plain text view but allowing me to switch tabs to
HTML where needed). As it is, I find myself switching to the
plain text view quite often in these particular folders and I
would like to cut down on that if possible.

I looked at the capabilities with macros, but even if the state 
could be changed, macros only seem to be useful during composing 
a new message.

Thanks in Advance,

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Re: Managing the Column Settings in the folder contents list

2012-02-22 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Tue, 2012-02-21, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
 Hello Bill,

 Wednesday, February 22, 2012, 1:10:53 AM, you wrote:

BM After some thought I decided that I should have used the Use 
BM Account Default Column Settings option but I can't seem to get 
BM that to work. Possibly I am not actually setting the Account Default 
BM Settings correctly.

 Just set the folders to the the Account Default settings. Then adjust
 the columns in *any* of the folders with this setting, and the change
 will happen for all the other folders with this setting.

 Sometimes things are easier than we think. ;-)

It works!

Thanks!

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Managing the Column Settings in the folder contents list

2012-02-21 Thread Bill McQuillan
I have had a problem since I upgraded from TB 2.11 to TB 5.0 with
the layout of the Column Settings for each folder (Message List).

Years ago, with TB 2.11, I started out by choosing the Use
Folder Specific Settings option for all folders even though I
pretty much wanted to have the same settings for most of the
folders. When I transitioned to TB 5.0 (and a new wide-screen PC)
I wanted to realign the columns in all the folders. I adjusted
them in one folder and then used the Copy Column Settings to...
action on that folder to ALL of the other folders.

I found that it copied the settings to *some* of the other
folders, but stopped copying after about 10 or 15 folders (I
don't exactly remember and I've messed around with them since so
I can't figure it out.)

After some thought I decided that I should have used the Use 
Account Default Column Settings option but I can't seem to get 
that to work. Possibly I am not actually setting the Account Default 
Settings correctly.

I looked through the Account Properties dialog and could not find 
anything to do with the Column Settings then I selected the folder 
with the name of the account and used the View / Message List 
Columns selection to set the columns. I then set one of my folders 
to Use Account Default Column Settings but it had no effect.

I CAN manually set the columns for a particular folder by right 
clicking on the column header and choosing Message List Columns 
from the context menu, but I CAN NOT copy any column settings, 
even from one folder to one other at all.

I suspect that I have somehow corrupted a configuration file that
maintains this info and I am considering resetting and starting
over. Can any one tell me where this configuration is maintained?
And can I just delete such a file to clear the problem?

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Re: The Bat! v5 Upgrade Experience

2012-01-03 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Tue, 2012-01-03, Dwight Corrin wrote:
 On Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 11:44:45 AM, Julian Beach (Lists) wrote:
  
 So, if you are holding off on an upgrade because you are afraid that
 TB! v5 will not be as good as your current version, my experience is
 that the upgrade is painless. If you are expecting a new look and feel to
 the software, then v5 is probably not for you, however!
  
 I concur completely in your assessment of v5. 
   

One minor nit!

I went to the (Help | Check for Updates) option and it said there 
was an update available (5.0.30) so I went to the web page and 
there I was presented with a choice: Professional or Home 
Edition? 

I have no idea!

Checking (Help | About) says I have version 5.0.20.1 with a 
single-computer licence. Does this mean I have the Home 
Edition?

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Re: Learning to use Mail Ticker

2011-08-29 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Mon, 2011-08-29, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:


BM In looking at the crawl (in thin view), I can see the From, Subj,
BM Size and two other things: an icon on the left that is usually a
BM green square; and a letter under the Size, usually an A but at
BM least once a P.

BM Unfortunately, the documentation is (typically) poor! Can anyone
BM point me to better documention? grin

BM Or at least tell me what these last two might mean?

 After another test I see that MFPA's guess regarding mail
 priorty is correct.  I just sent myself a message and
 changed it to high priorty before sending.  Upon receipt the
 formerly green square displayed in the ticker has been
 replaced by a red square with an arrow in it.

I tested this with a low priority message and I think that you
are correct. It had a square with a downward arrow (and the From:
and Subj: info was dimmed!). I then noticed that when I was
composing a message and clicked on the Options Menu to select Low
Priority, the icons to the left of the priority selections looked
just like the ones in the Mail Ticker.

Also, when I sent my original message I had only seen one P but
subsequently noticed many more and no As. I (eventually!)
realized that I had sent my message around Noon and that the A/P
display must be a failed attempt to show me the time of
reception. Switching to non-Thin view shows the date below the
A/P but still no time shown.

Well, since the main purpose for me in the Mail Ticker is to pop
up when *any* mail has arrived (replacing the flapping bat wings)
the actual content of the Ticker is of less importance.

I actually am a little surprised that there is so little
customization of the Ticker available. I would expect RitLabs to
allow me to determine what is shown for each new message or even
just the number of new messages, since if there are many, I have
to wait an unknown amount of time to see that info. Oh well,
maybe a wishlist item.

Thanks for all of your assistance, Batteers!

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Learning to use Mail Ticker

2011-08-28 Thread Bill McQuillan
Bat Folk,

I have been using The Bat! for about 8 years but I have never
used the Mail Ticker. Now with the updated GUI of Windows 7, I
decided to try it.

In looking at the crawl (in thin view), I can see the From, Subj,
Size and two other things: an icon on the left that is usually a
green square; and a letter under the Size, usually an A but at
least once a P.

Unfortunately, the documentation is (typically) poor! Can anyone
point me to better documention? grin

Or at least tell me what these last two might mean?

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Re: Problems on Windows 7

2011-08-18 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Wed, 2011-08-17, Jack wrote:

 - In XP, the icon for TB was in the system tray. Windows 7
 doesn't see to have a way to place it there and places it in
 the task bar. Sometimes, and I can't isolate what causes it, 
 the icon will move to what

I suspect that the icon is in the show hidden icons area (arrow
to the left of the system tray).

Click on that arrow, choose Customize and find The Bat! entry. It
is probably set to Show only notifications. Change it to show
icon and notifications to make it appear in the system tray (now
called Notification Area).

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Re: Pictures in html?

2011-06-13 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Mon, 2011-06-13, Susanne wrote:

 Monday, June 13, 2011, 12:00:47 PM,the...@e-visions.com wrote:

 I'm assuming you mean pictures embedded within your message...

 Yes. All I get are placeholders, and embedded pictures are *never* visible in 
 TB for me.
 Was hoping I was just missing a setting somewhere.

Images can be associated with a message in several ways:

  1 - A message may have attachments of images or other documents,

  2 - An HTML message can have place holders that refer to images that
  are included with the message,

  3 - An HTML message may have place holders that refer to images at some
  External Web site.

In case # 1, the attachments should be available using tabs at the bottom
of the message window and/or icons in a sidebar.

In case # 2, TB should display the images correctly in line.

In case # 3, there is a security problem. The act of fetching the images
from the external site can reveal too much information about you. Thus, TB
has been reluctant to automatically fetch such images. Previously the only
way to see those images was to display the message in the browser. Now TB
will fetch the images if you give it permission. The Image Download Manager
may be accessed by clicking the Yellow Question Mark at the right of the
message header (To, From, Subject).

Unfortunately, at this point I can give you little more help since the
Download manager seems to have a lot of capabilities, but they are not very
obvious and I can find ABSOLUTELY NO DOCUMENTATION about it.

So, does anybody on this list have a pointer to any documention about the
Image Download Manager?

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Re: is v.4.2.42 truncated urls in the body?

2011-04-01 Thread Bill McQuillan
I'm not going to even try to echo the urls since I don't want to further
corrupt the evidence.

What I noticed in David Elliot's response (that I received) was that the
portions of the url in CDIsxm's message which were ...part... were
changed into the math character for a partial differential.

Oddly, the reply by Sam Brown to the same message did NOT replace the
...part... with anything.

Sam and David are both apparently using TB 4.2.42.

CDIsxm's and Sam's messages were encoded in us-ascii while David's was
encoded in UTF-8.

Also, I noticed that anytime I tried to copy and paste the partial
differential character it changed into a ?.

I don't know where the corruption is occurring, but I hope this information
helps.

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Re: How to copy a template

2011-03-24 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Thu, 2011-03-24, David wrote:

 But similarly if I put it in the template I am creating it just shows
 Cannot find a quick template  My Template ,
 but the text is not formatted nor is the table created.

 If I create a new QT and just put in %qinclude My Template  the same 
 happens.

 I think I am putting in the %qinclude My Template in the wrong place but 
 have run out of options.

I am not sure what your other problems are, but I think that one step toward a 
fix is to use = in the include phrase:

  %qinclude=My Template

I believe that using a blank makes it:

  %qinclude (which produces 'Cannot find a quick template ')

followed by:

  My Template  (as just text)



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Re: OTFE - some questions

2011-01-06 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Wed, 2011-01-05, MFPA wrote:

M 9. How is using TB!'s OTFE better than simply
M locating your mailfolder in an encrypted
M location, such as a TrueCrypt container?

 The  difference  is  that  when you've mounted the
 encrypted location, third party programs (doesn't
 matter whether they're Santa's 'good' or 'bad'  list)
 can  access  your  message  base. When you're using
 OTFE you're message base can only be accessed by TB and
 it's plug-ins.  

 Interesting - I'd not thought of that. Doesn't TB! need to place a
 decrypted version of a file in a temp directory while actually working
 with/editing it?

Well, since I believe that OTFE stands for On The Fly Encription I
imagine that whole files are not decrypted, but instead TB has a sort of
builtin driver to access the mail database while only decrypting and
encrypting a buffer at a time.


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Re: v4.0.38 question - HTML display problem

2009-11-10 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Tue, 2009-11-10, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:
 I'm not sure to which URL you're referring.  If I click on the
 attachment (Message.HTML) which accompanies the email from Uclick,
 the resulting URL which appears in Firefox's address bar is:
 file:///C:/DOCUME~1/Jack/LOCALS~1/Temp/bat/Message%284%29.html

 However, if I *then* click on the SHARE button which appears at the
 bottom of the comic strip, the resulting URL becomes:
 http://www.gocomics.com/features/32/feature_items/457715

 If you can clear up my confusion regarding the URLs, I'd be happy to
 report this as a bug if you can also instruct me on how to do that.

As explained in another response, the Bug report URL is probably the one he
meant.

However, in the Bug Report itself, the URL of the problem page should
appear. This should be the second one you mentioned (www.gocomics.com)
since the first one is merely the temporary copy used by TB to invoke your
browser.

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Re: Make The Bat! default email application

2009-10-03 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Sat, 2009-10-03, Simon wrote:
 On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 23:17:02 +0200 (your time) you said:

F Go to Internet Explorer, Extras/Internet Options/Programs and set the
F default mail program to TB. Close IE and you're done :-)

 Thanks for the reply, but already tried that approach. The Bat! loads okay,
 but can't get any program or Windows XP to attach files to newly created
 messages. E.g

Well, my first try would be to go the TB's Preferences in the Applications
section and check the box next to mailto: - the URL for creatng mail
messages and then click Associate now. Of course, I'm running TB v2.11
so you'll have to adapt these instructions to your version.

If that does not fix it, I can run through my next step: updating the
mailto: URL info using the Windows Explorer Tools menu.

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Re: If a URL ends with a bracket, TB! will not make that bracket part of the link

2009-09-06 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Sun, 2009-09-06, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
 On Sun, 6 Sep 2009 11:22:58 +0100 GMT (06/Sep/09, 17:22 PM +0700 GMT),
 MFPA wrote:

 Of course it's fixable.

M I'm told Thunderbird 3.0b4 manages to include the closing bracket as
M part of the link.

 I didn't know that, but thanks for confirming my logic.

Although I do not remember seeing any instances of a URL enclosed in
Parentheses, I also have not seen any URLs *containing* Parentheses until
this Wikipedia link.

Now the designers of the URL syntax reserved Angle Brackets  for
enclosing URLs in running text. And TB seems to be aware of this to a
degree. If I try a URL with embedded Parentheses:

 http://example.com/ends-with-(parens)

both the MicroEd and Windows editors do not highlight the final
Parentheses. However if I use the same URL in Angle Brackets:

 http://example.com/ends-with-(parens)

the final Parenthesis IS included in the Windows editor but NOT in the
MicroEd editor.

It will be interesting to send and receive this message and see what the
various viewers do!

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Re: If a URL ends with a bracket, TB! will not make that bracket part of the link

2009-09-05 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Fri, 2009-09-04, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
 On Fri, 4 Sep 2009 22:25:28 +0100 GMT (05/Sep/09, 4:25 AM +0700 GMT),
 MFPA wrote:

M I just noticed when including the following URL in a message:-

M http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Echelon_(signals_intelligence)

M that TB! does not treat the closing bracket as part of the link.
M I'm using MicroEd, in case it makes a difference.

 Confirmed in both viewers and all three editors.

Interestingly, when the URL is in a quote, as above, it does not even show
as a URL in the Plain Text viewer, but *does* show as a URL in the Rich
Text/HTML viewer, except the last bracket of course!

Obviously, your mileage may vary if your TB is later than 2.11.

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Re: If a URL ends with a bracket, TB! will not make that bracket part of the link

2009-09-05 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Sat, 2009-09-05, Jos Klaassens wrote:
 Hello Thomas,

 Saturday, September 5, 2009, 5:44:06 PM, you wrote:

TF It's not an excuse to not fix a bug if any other application has the
TF same bug. In fact, if all other applications have the same bug,
TF Ritlabs should race to be the first one to fix it.

TF From a practical POV, it's simply unacceptable, as we have to share
TF URLs all the time.

 This thread shows that two mailclients, TB! and OE, and two other
 applications, OpenOffice and MS Office, are not capable to handle this URL.
 So I am just wondering if it is a mailclient problem..

Well, I checked the RFCs for URLs and Right Parenthesis is a valid
character in this position, so I have reported it in the Bug Tracker:

  https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=7709



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Re: Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)

2009-08-28 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Thu, 2009-08-27, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
 Hello MFPA,

 On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:09:37 +0100 GMT (28/Aug/09, 2:09 AM +0700 GMT),
 MFPA wrote:

 If you prefer to the Windows standard then (no, I'm not going to say
 use the Windows editor g) you can hit the End key. It will
 place the cursor behind the last character as you desire.

M Or you could remove the tick from Free caret positioning at 
M Options | Preferences | Viewer/Editor | Editor preferences |
M MicroEd-specific options.  (-;

 I didn't even know that, but it will make Bill happy. :-)

It might if v2.11 had such an option!  :-)

Regardless, there are many other reasons I prefer the Windows editor. And
for the issue of not wrapping the final output when I send, when I am
finished editing and proofing a message, I quickly switch to the MicroEd,
apply Alt-L as necessary, switch back to Windows and send it! Works for me.
 
In fact I did just that with this message!

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Re: Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)

2009-08-28 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Fri, 2009-08-28, MFPA wrote:
 Hi

 On Friday 28 August 2009 at 7:25:01 AM, in
 mid:469231774.20090827232...@pobox.com, Bill McQuillan wrote:


 Regardless, there are many other reasons I prefer the
 Windows editor. And for the issue of not wrapping the
 final output when I send, when I am finished editing
 and proofing a message, I quickly switch to the
 MicroEd, apply Alt-L as necessary, switch back to
 Windows and send it! Works for me.


 What is the advantage of switching back to the Windows editor to send 
 it?

None, really. However, it appeases my OCD and lets me see that the portions
of the message, like quotes, that I did not reformat are still the way I
wanted them. Oh, and I don't actually always do it! :-)

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Re: Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)

2009-08-27 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Wed, 2009-08-26, AC wrote:

 For the Windows editor that you mentioned above, try this and tell me
 if it works:
 --start a new email message (make sure it's in the Windows editor
 mode)

 --copy a paragraph of text from somewhere else (internet, etc.)

 --Go back to the email, and right-click and paste as quotation

 You will see that the even thought the text gets pasted with the 
 symbol, the color doesn't automatically change to the quote color
 setting.  Now if you do the same in Microed, the color changes
 immediately (very nice).  If it were not for that and other other
 similar coloring issues, I'd probably just use teh Windows editor.

test

I tried that with a multi-line quote, both with a right click and the
paste as quotation menu selection. Both ways pasted in with leading 
and colored as a quote. Oddly, when I then deleted the leading  of one
line the color stayed the same even when I added and deleted several levels
(e.g., ).

I have also noticed that when I edit a quote (trim it down) sometimes if I
start entering test right after the quote, my new text is in the quote
color even though it has no leading . For example I just put the cursor
after the period after the word editor at the end of the quote above and
typed enterentertest and as I look at it now the word test is the
color of quoted text!

I guess that I don't find the misleading colors as annoying as I do that in
MicroEd I cannot click somewhere out to the right of a line and have the
cursor appear just after the last character on that line.

Also note that I am using a fairly ancient version the Windows editor
(2.11) so that may be a factor too.

Oh well, no accounting for taste.

Best of luck,
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Re: Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)

2009-08-25 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Mon, 2009-08-24, AC wrote:

 All I want to do is to have automatic wrapping and to be able to press
 the Enter key ONCE and start a new line.  I just don't understand why
 the developers and users are opposed to this.

I think that you need to understand the architecture of the MicroEd to see
that this is asking for two conflicting things that would make major
changes to the basic concepts of MicroEd.

First, the concept of a paragraph in MicroEd is a block of text separated
from the preceeding and following text by at least one blank line.

Second, Alt-L says reformat the paragraph containing the cursor. To do
this, MicroEd finds the preceeding and following blank lines to determine
the paragraph. It then reformats that paragraph (left justified).

Third, setting automatic wrapping essentially means do an Alt-L after each
keystroke. Notice that a single Enter keystroke does not create a blank
line and the implied Alt-L effectively sucks the contents of the supposed
new line of text into the text above, since MicroEd doesn't find a blank
line to end the current paragraph.

I personally suspect that this exact problem may be what caused the
developers to throw up their hands at some point in the past and decide
that just doing a Windows style editor was the way to solve the problem for
people that wanted what you're asking for. (I could be wrong!)

BTW, my Windows editor seems to color quoted text appropriately.

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Re: Please help me understand the Pros and Cons of MicroEd (many, many wrapping issues)

2009-08-22 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Sat, 2009-08-22, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
 They added the option many versions ago: You can use the Windows
 editor. Many people were unhappy with the way MicroEd works, because
 most editors under Windows (notably the ones from Microsoft) behave in
 a certain way and people just wanted to stick with what they were used
 to. The Windows editor complies with that.

 I myself prefer MicroEd, the way it is, but that is my personal choice.

I, on the other hand, much prefer the Windows editor.

However, it has a problem for me that could be cured with a simple
checkbox.

When I am composing, the editor wraps lines in a paragraph at my specified
margin (75 chars). Unfortunately, when the message is transmitted, the
paragraphs are sent *without* wrapping. Thus my correspondents see lines
that either wrap at *their* window edges or extend off the window to the
right and must be scrolled to be seen depending on their particular email
client.

I have gotten into the habit of 1) separating paragraphs with a blank line
and 2) just before sending the message I select Options  Message Format
 Plain Text (MicroEd) (which causes all paragraphs to become one long
line each). I then select each paragraph like that and hit Alt-L to
reformat it and *then* click the send button.

Now I have figured the reason is that RitLabs considers that the Windows
Editor is to be normally used with proportional fonts and that the number
of characters is not an appropriate measurement (although they seem to
handle it fine during editing). If there was an option to specify the final
width by inches, cm, picas, points,... and if I choose a fixed pitch font
so I could get that 75 character line, I would be very pleased.

BTW, as you can see by my sig, I am using TB v2.11 and it *is* possible
that some such feature has been incorporated into a more recent version. If
so, I might (might!) be tempted to upgrade.

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Re: Sorry: a test

2009-07-05 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Sun, 2009-07-05, Privateofcourse wrote:
 This is what you said on Sun, 5 Jul 2009 11:25:52 -0500 your time:

 You might have to go on the web to your  TBUDL mailing list membership
 configuration page and enable the Mail delivery option to get your
 postings sent to you as well as the rest of the list members.

 That's already enabled.

 I've been receiving mail from the list today; mail I'd sent to the list a
 few days ago all suddenly got delivered to the list today and to me. Don't
 know why that is, just glad that things seem like they're back to 'normal'.

I was having a problem getting a copy of my messages to this list a month
or so ago when I noticed a further option on the membership configuration
page (at the bottom) labeled: Avoid duplicate copies of messages?

I checked No and the next message that I sent was received from the list.
This may have been a coincidence, but I left the option turned off since it
is much easier for me to delete a duplicate message than to read a missing
one!

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Re: Problem with %HDR macro

2009-06-13 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Sat, 2009-06-13, Arjan de Groot wrote:
 I have re-examined the help file but I still fail to see the
 relevance of the %HDR macro's. Lots of regular RFC headers have a
 - in them (Like Message-ID and In-Reply-To) and a macro that
 can't handle it seems to be a bit superfluous. 

My guess is that the %HDR macros were the first attempt to allow this
capabiity, but when it was discovered that the parser couldn't handle an
embedded - the %ADDHEADER and %SETHEADER macros were created which used a
quoted string for the header name so that the parser would allow the -
character. The %HDR macros woere left in for backward compatibility.

 The function of the %ADDHeader macro is clear to me now. But I
 think the name is a bit misleading (ADDTOHeader should have been
 more apt) and I consider the double Value I encountered to be a
 bug.

I agree that the %ADDHEADER should have been called %ADDTOHEADER.

The doubling of the Value is a side-effect of the way that macros are
executed during the editing process (twice). This is the reason for the
%MODIFYONCE macro. In this case you could use %MODIFYONCE(User-Agent) at
the beginning of your template. However, %SETHEADER would also work by
creating the same User-Agent header twice.

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Re: Recipients' Addresses Suppression

2009-06-11 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Thu, 2009-06-11, MFPA wrote:
 On Thursday 11 June 2009 at 12:45:44 PM, in
 mid:1071914001.20090611134...@otten.tv, Roelof Otten wrote:

 I'm  not  aware  of an option in TB that warns for an
 empty To header, but  there  are  servers  that  don't
 accept  those, is it TB passing through a server
 response?

 I made a mistake earlier - this dialog box only appears if To CC and
 BCC are all empty.

The recommended way to handle this case is to put all of the recipients in
the BCC: header field, which will be removed when the message is actually
sent, and to put undisclosed recipients:; in the TO: field. (Note the
trailing :; which satisfies the requirement for something in the TO:
field by using the under-utilized group syntax.)

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Re: Always sending us-ascii

2009-03-02 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Mon, 2009-03-02, MFPA wrote:
 On Monday 2 March 2009 at 2:38:16 PM, in
 mid:392566194.20090302143...@my_localhost, MFPA wrote:

 On Sunday 1 March 2009 at 6:35:44 PM, in
 mid:448171083.20090301103...@pobox.com, Bill
 McQuillan wrote:

 [...]

 This leads me to believe that the list server builds a
 new message and then after deleting the existing
 Content-* fields recreates them by scanning the
 message for non-ascii characters and setting the the
 Content-Type field to us-ascii if that will suffice.

 I shall include a couple of pound signs. IIRC, that is
 not a us-ascii character. Here goes: ££. Wonder if it
 will still use us-ascii?

 No:  Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15
  Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8BIT

 So it looks like you may have explained it. (-:

 I notice 8BIT (capitals) for that one, whereas 7bit does not get
 capitalised when charset is us-ascii.

Just to add to the confusion, your first message with 2 pound signs arrived
at my computer with:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15
Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

and the pound signs looked good.

However, your second message (which you received with iso-8859-15 and 8BIT)
arrived at my computer with:

Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8
Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64

and the pound signs still looked good.

I haven't a clue what *this* message will look like!  :-)

Clearly more than one modifying server has been processing our mail!
Unfortunately, so called MIME downgrading is not usually mentioned in the
trace header fields, so we are probably out of luck in tracking down the
culprits. Ain't email fun?

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Re: Always sending us-ascii

2009-03-01 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Sun, 2009-03-01, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
 On Sun, 1 Mar 2009 14:48:56 + GMT (01/Mar/09, 21:48 +0700 GMT),
 MFPA wrote:
M Received the message via the list server and the copy cc'd to myself
M this time.

M Guess what - the one via the list server has
M Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii
M Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

 Confirm.

M while the other says
M Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-15
M Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit

M ?

 Hm. I have no further ideas.

I have noticed that the TBUDL list server makes several changes to each
message that it forwards:

   Adding the List-Id, etc. header fields
   Adding the Current version... to the bottom of text/plain messages
   Adding a new Current version... part to multipart/mixed messages

I also notice that the Content-Type and Content-Transfer-Encoding header
fields are placed with the List-* fields in the header and not with the
Mime-Version field where most clients place them.

This leads me to believe that the list server builds a new message and then
after deleting the existing Content-* fields recreates them by scanning the
message for non-ascii characters and setting the the Content-Type field to
us-ascii if that will suffice.

There is some justification for this in the Email RFCs where it shows a
preference for the simplest level necessary when encoding a message.


In a separate pet peeve of mine, it seems that this much processing of each
message would make it straightforward for the list server to determine
whether a cut mark already exists and insert one just before the footer if
necessary. This could reduce the fish traffic on this list considerably!
end peeve :-)

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Re: [RECOVERED] Re: Confirm Receipt, Reading Confirmation

2008-10-01 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Wed, 2008-10-01, Tim Hamm wrote:



   I can appreciate what you are saying, from what I know on my end,
   these features have never worked as long as I have had TB. I would
   think by now of the thousands of emails I have sent, at least one
   recipient's email client should be able to send read receipts.

Tim,

One possibility not to be overlooked, your ISP. 

When Delivery Status Notifications (as Confirm Receipts are officially
known) are requested, each mail server on the path to the recipient's mail
server is supposed to notice that the previous server (or your client) has
requested a DSN be sent and pass that on to the next mail server. If that
next mail server does not allow DSNs the current server is supposed to send
back instead a DSN to effect that no final DSN will be sent.

Notice that any mail server along the way dropping the ball will cause no
DSN to be sent at all. The fact that no Confirm Receipts of yours have ever
been honored makes me suspect a mail server near the beginning of the
chain--at your ISP.

Since DSNs and MDNs (Message Disposition Notices (Reading Receipts from the
recipent's client)) are both a standardized specially formatted message, it
is possible that your ISP is doing you the favor of deleting these as
some sort of spam.

Note that this is not necessarily the actual explanation, but it is
something to consider if no other explanation turns out to be better.

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Re: Speaking of signatures

2008-08-29 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Thu, 2008-08-28, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

 That is already possible. I saw  days until Christmas... or
 already living  days and xxx hours on this list or on TBOT.
 Again, this is made an internal command (template macro) which
 requests the information from outside and puts it into the message at
 the pre-defined spot. It is not an external command.

I think what people are talking about is a two step process. First, an
external program is executed to produce the desired text in a known
location and then Second, a template macro grabs it from that known
location (file) and puts it into the message being created.

For instance, the text already living  days and xxx hours probably
needed to be updated just before the macro put it into the message. That's
the use of an external program.

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Re: The Bat and MSGTAG

2008-07-23 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Wed, 2008-07-23, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

 If I get a Read Confirmation back, I know the message has been
 dispalyed. If I don't get one, I know as little as if I hadn't
 requested it. So, nothing is lost.

Well, if you send such a message to me, I will probably never know it since
I use TB v2.11 SPECIFICALLY for the reason that that version will never do
this!

However, if I happen to examine the raw message text (I'm nosy), and I
notice that you tried to invade my privacy, I will long remember that you
are nosy (and sneaky) too.

This hit on your reputation (with me) *could* be considered a loss.

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Re: Some folders are slow to respond - an update

2008-07-20 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Sun, 2008-07-20, Rick wrote:

 am Sonntag, 20. Juli 2008 um 16:57 schrieb Code 2:

 I can't be sure, but it seems like when I come to a few new messages
 that contain links that try to access the Internet through the URL
 Manager, that's when the problems start.  Could this be a URL Manager
 issue?  Is there a way to test this?

 As you tell it now, i recognized too, that the loading of Links from the
 URLmanager ist very slow, Messages with HTML Links need almost near 1
 minute to show up at my Celeron 1400 Computer with around 500-600 Mb RAM

 I've noticed that individual emails with external links load slowly
 but not as slow as you are describing.

 I clean the CACHE folder each night when I shut down.

This suddenly rings a bell!

As you can see below, I am still using a mature version of TB, but I
remember that one perennial problem that caused a slow down with TB was a
proliferation of BAT.TMP files in one or more of the TEMP folders.
This seemed to be because the  had to be unique and so TB searched
the folder to determine a value that had not been previously used. If there
were many left over BAT.TMP files that search became noticeable.
Perhaps the URL manager has a similar problem?

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Which mailman server is correct?

2008-05-31 Thread Bill McQuillan
I seem to be getting two reminders for this mailing list each month. They
are identical reminders from the mailman list manager about my passwords
except that the links to manage my account go to two different websites:

  stromgrade.its-toasted.org
and
  kore.geschkult.fu-berlin.de

Does any one know which is the correct one?

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Re: Mail tracking

2008-05-22 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Wed, 2008-05-21, Tom wrote:

 Thursday, May 22, 2008, 1:39:58 AM, you wrote:

 To my knowledge this will only work with HTML mails that load contents
 from the web. If you stick to plain text or avoid loading content not
 delivered with the mail, this cannot happen. Please CMIIW.

 Does reading html emails within TB already constitute this issue or
 would you have to do more to load content?

I believe that TB v3, that you seem to be using, will *not* load content.
However, I believe that TB v4 is able to load such content.

This is why I am not about to upgrade! The primary reason I started using
TB was the fact that I could download and read ANY email without worrying
about Trojans, viruses or web tracking bugs.

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Re: .EML associations don't remain sticky

2007-09-01 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Sat, 2007-09-01, Mark Partous wrote:

 Thanks, the problem has come back - not Outlook but Outofluck Express
 seems to keep grabbing it.

JH In the Control Panel is 'Internet Options'. That has the tab 'Programs'.
JH Go there and look what's set as email program. I bet it's Outbook Perplex.

I realize that it might be accepting defeat, but consider how often you
double click on a .EML file in Windows Explorer. If you never actually do
(I never do), you might just go to [Options | Preferences... |
Applications] in TB and uncheck .EML. Let LookOut Express have it!

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Re: .EML associations don't remain sticky

2007-08-28 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Sun, 2007-08-26, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Every time I start Bat! I am asked if I want Bat! associated with .EML
 files, which I accept.

 This choice is also ticked in Options /Preferences, and I have
 constantly clicked the Associate Now button.

 How do I overcome this small annoyance?

Well, first look at what it is associated with before The Bat! opens.

In the Windows Explorer menu: Tools | Folder Options choose the File
Types tab then scroll down to see what is associated with the .EML
extension.

If possible go to that program's preferences and disable its association
for .EML.

Good luck.

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Re: Common filters

2007-07-25 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Tue, 2007-07-24, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
 On Wed, 25 Jul 2007 11:07:19 +1000 GMT (25/07/2007, 08:07 +0700 GMT),
 John Phillips wrote:

JP My understanding of the word common as in Common Filters that they
JP apply to both received and sent mail, but it appear I am wrong here?

 You are wrong, but you are welcome to support this wish:
 https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0003319

It occurs to me that the filters in this proposal would be ordered in a
single list rather than by each type of event. I could imagine a situation
where a shared set of incoming and outgoing filters might need opposite
orders!

Just a thought.

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Re: Flagged messages not shown?

2007-06-25 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Sun, 2007-06-24, Susanne wrote:
 

 For some reason flagging a message does not seem
 to work for me.
 No orange flag symbol appears, even though I have
 that column enabled.

Just in case you missed it, please note that (at least in v2.11) there are
Message Flags and Flagging in separate columns. Flagging is the one
that allows orange flags to show.

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Re: TB and Gmail?

2007-06-11 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Sun, 2007-06-10, Susanne wrote:

 My current setting for smtp are:
 smpt.gmail.com
 secure to dedicated port TLS   465

Is the name of the smtp server supposed to have smpt spelled incorrectly?

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Re: TB and Gmail?

2007-06-11 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Mon, 2007-06-11, Susanne wrote:

 Sunday, June 10, 2007, 11:51:07 PM,[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Is the name of the smtp server supposed to have
 smpt spelled incorrectly?

 Okay, let's try this again: I *thought* I had only
 spelled it wrong in the email, but actually, after
 further checking...

 Imagine me hiding in shame about now! :D

 Thanks for pointing this out and it's working now.

Welcome aboard!

The reason I noticed this is I made the same mistake a couple of years go
when I tried to configure for a new ISP. (Even the same misspelling, if I
recall correctly!) I looked at it several times without seeing it.
Fortunately, I looked once more and did see it!   :-)

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Re: Lists that don't overwrite the Reply-To header

2006-07-16 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Sun, 2006-07-16, Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
 And second, if I explicitely choose reply to this address if I *do*
 want to send a private reply, the TO address will be replaced by the
 folder template, and the message will be send to the list.

I also use folder templates and have a similar problem.

There are 2 buttons at the top of the Bat window indicating Reply and Reply
to All; however, once TB starts to execute the template, there seems to be
no way to determine which button was pushed! Thus, there is no way that the
template can take special actions that would determine the intended
recipient. I asked about this on TBUDL a year or so ago and no one could
come up with a mechanism. Since I do not want to upgrade from 2.11 until
deficiencies like this are corrected, I will wait until I see someone on
this list mention such a feature. (I doubt that Ritlabs is interested in a
bug report from a 2.11 user.) ;-)

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Re: How to attach a picture

2006-07-14 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Thu, 2006-07-13, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 After content filtering, the message was empty

Actually, the message should have been something like:
-
Mary,
 
 On Thu, 2006-07-13, Mary Bull wrote:
  Hello Bill!
 
  On Thursday, July 13, 2006, 4:18 PM, you wrote:
 
  But: I don't think there's a way to insert an image into the message
  body in any version 2.xx.
 
I am replying to your message using v2.11 and switching to HTML Only and I will 
include an inline image as well.
[]
I am pretty sure that TBUDL will delete it, but the BCC to myself should have 
it and I will report my success or failure.
 
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--
Notice the square brackets in the middle. That's what I got when I copied and 
pasted the perfectly readable HTML message with an embedded GIF file.

I guess I was too optimistic, TBUDL removed the entire HTML content not just 
the image!.

So, Elodie, for purposes other than this list ;-) , version 2.11 (and 
presumably 2.12) will create HTML messages with embedded images quite easily.

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Re: How to attach a picture

2006-07-14 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Fri, 2006-07-14, Mary Bull wrote:


 Now: where in v. 2.xx is the insert image function?

 I think, among all of us, that Elodie has all of the questions posted
 answered except this one. Is it in the Format drop-down menu of the
 HTML Only editor (Edit Mail Message) window--as it is in 3.xx?

When I switched to HTML/Plain Text mode for this reply, a formatting toolbar 
showed up between the header fields (at the top of the Edit Mail Message 
window) and the body (where I am now typing). It has things like: Font 
selection, Bold-Italic-Underline buttons, text justification buttons, etc. 
There is also an icon that I guess looks like a picture hanging by a wire. When 
I hover the mouse cursor over it a tooltip pops up saying Insert Picture. 
Clicking it opens a File Open dialog to find a picture file (gif, jpg, etc.) 
Oddly, there do not seem to be any corresponding Menu selections for these 
formatting functions!

I hope that TBUDL lets at least the Plain Text portion of this message through!

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Re: How to attach a picture

2006-07-13 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Thu, 2006-07-13, Terry Munson wrote:
 Hello Dwight,

 Thursday, July 13, 2006, 1:09:42 PM, you wrote:

 in the edit mail window. It's between search and utilities. you can
 change from plain text to html at the bottom right, just left of the
 character set.

 You can also change to html with Options- Message format in the edit
 window.

As you can see I am still using 2.11 !!

As I am typing this I can see an Options menu at the top of the Edit Mail
Message window. Clicking this I can see a Message Format selection which
expands to a list of editor modes including HTLM/Plain Text and HTML Only.
Choose one of these. If you like this mode, make it permanent by going to
the Options menu in the main The Bat! window and choosing Preferences.
Click on Viewer/Editor on the left side of the dialog box and on the right
side choose your favorite editor mode in the bottom field: Default message
text editor.

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Re: Filters

2005-10-25 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Tue, 2005-10-25, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

 I can't seem to figure out how to get a single filter to route
 incoming mail to individual folders based on the sender field. I have
 one name in the RULE tab under FILTERING STRINGS and the remainder of
 the names in the ALTERNATIVES tab. The filter is in the INCOMING MAIL
 folder.

 Any ideas on what I'm doing wrong?

Yes, you seem to be trying to get a single (complicated) filter to move
messages to different folders based on sender!

I am using the same version of The Bat! and all of the Rules and
Alternatives are only there to *select* a message. The Action tab then
allows the selected message to be moved only to a single folder AFAICT. I
need a different filter for each destination folder to keep my mailing list
messages separate.

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Re: Gmane / subject on replies with counter / threading

2004-12-16 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Thu, 2004-12-16, Greg Strong wrote:
 Hello TB Lists,

 Just thought I'd let those of you who use counters in your subject with
 a reply (i.e. Re[2]: GnuPG 1.4.0) that it messes up the threading in my
 newsreader (i.e. Agent 1.93) when I pull from Gmane. Not that you really
 care about my newsreader because I do NOT.

 I figure you may care about the others who do use a newsreader to read
 TB lists. I figure if it messes up Agent, then it is most likely to mess
 up other threading with other non-Agent Newsreaders except for of course
 those who use TB.  If you do not care and like to play games on those
 using newsreaders, then leave it like it is.  With the volume down like
 it is on TB lists, it may not much matter. :-)

It should interest the users and developers of TB that the use of the simple 
Re:  at the beginning of the Subject of a reply is controversial within the 
Internet Engineering Task Force which develops protocols like email. Some think 
that is was a mistake in the first place and some think that it is alright and 
should be handled by email programs. 

However, just about everyone agrees that any other notations (like: Re(2):, 
2Re:, Ant:, or many others) should NEVER be used since email programs cannot be 
expected to figure out all of the clever things that programmers like to put 
in. Note that an email program needs to find and ignore any such prefix in 
order to search and sort Subjects or to create its own reply Subjects.

My recommendation is to uncheck Use reply numbering in the subject line in 
all reply templates.

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Re: Macro for AV automatic mail ?

2004-11-22 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Mon, 2004-11-22, Mica Mijatovic wrote:
 Does someone notice that if an address book is stolen that only the
 address itself (the form [EMAIL PROTECTED] , without any name(s) in front of
 it) is used for resending SPAM? So, if a proper/full addressing is
 accepted as a standard rule, eg. Pera Peric [EMAIL PROTECTED], then a much
 better filtering might be applied against SPAM. Eg, if you receive a
 message with a FROM: [EMAIL PROTECTED] all the chances are I didn't send
 it, because I would send it as Mica Mijatovic [EMAIL PROTECTED].

Please note that most of the over 100 spam messages I get per day
have something like:

   From: Rolex Watches [EMAIL PROTECTED] 

so one would need to match the phrase in front of the email
address exactly to the correct person in order to to use this
sort of test.

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Re: Date of a sent message ?

2004-10-25 Thread Bill McQuillan
On Mon, 2004-10-25, Peter Hampf wrote:
 Good evening MFPA,

 on Mon, 25 Oct 2004 21:41:48 +0100 GMT your local time you wrote:

 What about another kludge X-Deliverydate: Mon, 25 Oct 2004 00:11:22 +0200

M Or perhaps x-sentdate: as TB probably has no way of knowing when
M it will be delivered.

 that's a case of definition. When TB sents the message to the host defined
 in the account settings, it has *delivered* the mail.

 But that's splitting hairs. Any kludge would be useful ...

If it is a *kludge* you want, do what I do... add:

%BCC=%FromAddr%-

to your message templates and you will receive a copy of all of your sent
messages in your inbox on the next poll. Save these instead of (or in addition
to, if you are especially paranoid :-) ) the automatic Sent Mail copies. To
check the actual sent date and time, open the saved message and hit either
Shft+Ctl+K or F9 to see the actual message header and look for the date field of
the earliest (bottom-most) Received header field. This will be the time stamp
that was added when The Bat! sent the message on its first hop.

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Re: TB 3.01 Installer

2004-10-17 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Sat, 2004-10-16, Jonathan Angliss wrote:
 On Saturday, October 16, 2004, Bill McQuillan wrote...

 After getting the e-mail from Ritlabs announcing the availability of 3.01, I
 went to the download page and discovered that even though the page shows the
 size of each version of The Bat!, what I actually get when downloading the home
 edition is a tiny .msi file and NOT the actual program itself!

 Not entirely sure what you are after. The .msi file is the installer,
 the executable is contained within the installer. It is not on the web
 site. MSI files can be created in a number of ways, one of them is a
 web installer, but the method TB developers use is the installer
 contains the executable file. To test this, disconnect any connection
 from the internet, and try the install.

I tried to download it again and it seems to have worked this time, sorry :-(

The first time, either Internet Explorer failed to copy it entirely, or I
managed to try when it was in flux on the website.

Thanks for your responses anyway.

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TB 3.01 Installer

2004-10-16 Thread Bill McQuillan
After getting the e-mail from Ritlabs announcing the availability of 3.01, I
went to the download page and discovered that even though the page shows the
size of each version of The Bat!, what I actually get when downloading the home
edition is a tiny .msi file and NOT the actual program itself!

Since I am not, in any sense, an early-adopter (see my sig :-) ), I would like
to be able to store the actual version of any program I am installing so that I
do not have to rely on Ritlabs to maintain the current version on their website
for the benefit of the installer stub.

Is there a way to get the actual program that installs itself for TB 3.01 so
that I can archive it?

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Determiing Reply Type in Macros

2004-10-16 Thread Bill McQuillan
TB has two buttons: Reply to the message selected and Reply to all. Is there
any way in a reply template to determine which one was pushed?

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Re: Rogues pics

2004-10-13 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Tue, 2004-10-12, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Its a reference (actually, the header that contains this follow up
 information is called references and not follow-up) to previous messages
 in the conversation - like saying this message (that you are writing) is a
 follow-up to these other messages (as given in the references header).

 All that is correct for the References header but does anybody
 know what the Follow-up header is? The closest I can find
 anything about is the Usenet header Followup-to which specifies
 to which newsgroup replies should be posted.

Follow up is Ritlabs way of renaming the RFC References header field to make
it more confusing. There seems to be no good reason for this. :-)

You can see this renaming by selecting Preferences-Message Headers and scroll
down the list to see Follow up under Display As next to References under RFC
Name. Notice also the bizarre renaming of the perfectly good RFC Name Sender
to X-Sender.

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Re: A new one

2004-09-12 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Sat, 2004-09-11, Mica Mijatovic wrote:

 Not any invention of mine. It really exists:
 http://www.insultmonger.comxxx/generators/index.htm.

I stupidly tried out the above (xxx-modified) site and it installed several spyware 
programs on my computer. I have spent most of the day cleaning them off my machine 
with Norton Anti-virus, Ad-Aware and regedt32.

DO NOT GO TO THE SHAKESPEARE RANDOM CURSING GENERATOR!
YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED.

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Re: template problem

2004-08-23 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Mon, 2004-08-23 at 08:23:42, Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Yes, that's where you can include the %reply macro.

Reading the help file shows me that the macro is actually %replyto. How accurate 
this may be is another question. ;-)

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Re: Harvest Sender Email Addresses??

2004-08-09 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Mon, 2004-08-09 at 15:41:19, Mike email (The Bat!) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 Saturday, August 7, 2004, 9:27:58 AM, Bill McQuillan wrote:

BM I had to insert the Sender: header field manually (as X-Sender!) and
BM I had to save the message into the Outbox to get the Bat! to let me 
BM put my address into the Sender: field.

 I did this by just typing ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] after what was already in the
 from field.

I also did that and when I finished typing the X-Sender: address I looked and saw that 
the From: field was changed back to my address. I now believe that the problem was 
that I did not realize that the Template that I used to reply, was re-run when I 
tabbed to the message body. This caused the From field to be set back to only my email 
address. It seemed to me that the change happened when I tried to enter the X-Sender: 
field.

BOY, do I wish RitLabs would stop messing around and document this product!

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Re: Harvest Sender Email Addresses??

2004-08-07 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 12:32:38, Zonnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have never seen a msg with multiple address in the From: field.
 Maybe you could send one to demonstrate?

I had to insert the Sender: header field manually (as X-Sender!) and
I had to save the message into the Outbox to get the Bat! to let me 
put my address into the Sender: field.

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Re: Harvest Sender Email Addresses??

2004-08-07 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Sat, 2004-08-07 at 01:27:58, Bill McQuillan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 12:32:38, Zonnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I have never seen a msg with multiple address in the From: field.
 Maybe you could send one to demonstrate?

 I had to insert the Sender: header field manually (as X-Sender!) and
 I had to save the message into the Outbox to get the Bat! to let me 
 put my address into the Sender: field.

Well, I sent a copy to myself and the Sender: field was there, but when the
TBUDL list returned it to me, the list manager software had changed it to: 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] (usually considered to be incorrect behavior).

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Re: Harvest Sender Email Addresses??

2004-08-06 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Fri, 2004-08-06 at 00:59:05, Zonnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
 I assumed that the multiple From addresses was I typo.
 Think about it. How can I child have multiple fathers? oops

It is quite easy for a message to have multiple authors. This is what the From: 
header field is intended to show. In fact, one of the uses of the Sender: header 
field is to show the actual, single sender of the message when there are multiple 
From: addresses. (It mystifies me why The Bat! chose to rename this standard field to 
X-Sender:.)

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Re: Harvest Sender Email Addresses??

2004-08-05 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Thu, 2004-08-05 at 14:22:15, Zonnet [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 ON Thursday, August 5, 2004, 5:56:21 PM, you wrote:
PH In TheBat 2.10, is there away to harvest all sender email
PH addresses (i.e, the entire From: line)
PH to an external file?

 Hi Pete,

 There are a few ways to do this.

 One is to write a filter that add the name to an address book when they
 arrive. YOu can export these later to a CSV file which you can read into a
 spreadsheet or word processor or... etc.

It looks to me like no one is reading the actual question before answering!

The question (IMHO) asks about multiple From addresses in a single message, not
multiple messages in a folder.

As far as I can see there is no %FromList macro (like there is a %ToList).
I guess that a regular expression search of the RFC822 headers (kluges) might find 
them, but the actual syntax of mailbox address is pretty complex and would be an 
interesting exercise!

snideI have noticed that the Bat! implementers seem to have left out some of the 
more obscure but useful portions of the mail RFCs in their haste to give us smilies, 
Chat, etc./snide

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Bill McQuillan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Using The Bat! 2.11 on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600-Service Pack 1



Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


Re: Smileys - How Are They Viewed By Non Bat Mail Programs

2004-07-20 Thread Bill McQuillan

On Tue, 2004-07-20 at 18:08:17, Leif Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

 Below are the instructions to get smileys working properly on your
 system.

 Assumptions:

 - Your installation of The Bat! is in C:\Program Files\The Bat!
 - Any folders referenced in this how-to are subfolders of the above.
 - There is no need to close The Bat! while you perform these steps.

I think that the version of the Bat! must be at least 2.12, since these directions do 
not work for the 2.11 version that I have installed. In particular, ctl-alt-shft-T 
brings up some sort of Chat dialog!

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Bill McQuillan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Using The Bat! 2.11 on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600-Service Pack 1



Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html


%THEBATVERSION Extension

2004-06-09 Thread Bill McQuillan
As can be seen in my sig below, the %THEBATVERSION macro I used in the template only 
shows 2.11 whereas I quite frequently see sigs showing 2.11.02. Does this mean 
that they are using Beta versions or do they know a variant macro that inserts the 
minor version?
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Bill McQuillan [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Using The Bat! 2.11 on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600-Service Pack 1



Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html