Re: Make The Bat! default email application
On Tue, 6 Oct 2009 12:32:24 +0100, Simon lists.tb...@privateofcourse.co.uk (Privateofcourse) wrote: So full system integration is just a no go then..never? I've been asking for proper integration some time back - specifically because of the ActiveSync prob since there is no substitute for AS if you have a Windows Mobile device. Unfortunately this feature request/bug report isn't very high up RL's list. -- Dierk [DH² Publishing] www.DH2Publishing.info Writing and Imaging Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Make The Bat! default email application
On Sat, 3 Oct 2009 23:57:10 +0100, Simon lists.tb...@privateofcourse.co.uk (Privateofcourse) wrote: It's not the mailto:URL that is the problem. It's the MAPIMAIL problem! The problem is RITLabs' API. A few years back they developed their own MAPI DLL because there was some trouble with MS' MAPI when it came to TB. The current implementation - SimpleMAPI handler, installable through TB's preferences - handles only the most basic call[s]. Unfortunately TB doesn't work with Microsoft's MAPI DLL and other progs give problems with RITLabs' MAPI DLL, i.e. ActiveSync will not work. -- Dierk [DH² Publishing] www.DH2Publishing.info Writing and Imaging Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
FQ: Scheduler Action Delete Message
I'd like to have an additional Action for the Scheduler: Delete Message. Reason: Oftentimes I have messages, like vouchers, valuable only up to a certain date; after that date they can be deleted. I'd like to automate the process such that I get a reminder before the 'best before' and then an automatic delete after the date if I do not delete manually. -- Dierk [DH² Publishing] www.DH2Publishing.info Writing and Imaging Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving Account QTs to COmmon QTs
On Thu, 25 Dec 2008 12:10:35 +0100, MAU m...@rancho-k.com wrote: Don't tell me, I'm just another user. Log you feature request in: Don't take everything personal. -- Dierk [DH² Publishing] www.DH2Publishing.info Writing and Imaging Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Moving Account QTs to COmmon QTs
On Wed, 24 Dec 2008 21:26:00 +0100, MAU m...@rancho-k.com wrote: You may try something, don't know if it works because I haven't tried it. What we need is the rather simple - in terms of usage - capability to d'n'd QTs. Consider this a feature request. -- Dierk [DH² Publishing] www.DH2Publishing.info Writing and Imaging Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
4.1.5: Thanks and more
Hi, first a thanks for finally crushing my pet bug [the one where I had to change focus of a folder before I could empty it]. At least for now it seems to be gone. Unfortunately I have to say that RITLabs' ordering process is more of an obstacle than an asset. It got worse when element5/Digital River redirected me to PayPal, where I got presented with an error message. The service provider for RITLab's payments has trouble with Opera - even when the browser masks as IE I couldn't throw my hard-earned money into the gaping gullet. Make it easy for people to buy your program! -- Dierk [DH² Publishing] www.DH2Publishing.info Writing and Imaging Current version is 4.1.5 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Let's write an English manual for The Bat! that is suitable for printing
On Mon, 1 Dec 2008 12:31:39 +, Privateofcourse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yes, me too! However, the difference is that the manual that users are proposing to produce here is a printable manual, not an electronic manual for viewing/reading on a monitor. Actually it is no more difficult to offer a printable PDF or HTML for download than it is to come up with the CHM file. Apart from some rather minor formatting [page breaks can be awkward] the only downside for RITLabs is the additional traffic the PDF will generate - since many will download it. I'd gladly offer the PDF version if a) RITLabs agrees [either in public or by written statement] that I am allowed to do so, b) RITLabs provides me with good JPEGs of their logo and one or two image variations of the bat so I can polish up the PDF a bit. A quick test run yesterday showed that there's one very annoying formatting problem, which I think I can tackle in relatively short time [hence: do it for free]. If it turns out I have to put in more than a reasonable amount of time I will say so and either not produce the PDF or ask for a little bit of compensation. After all, The Bat! is a commercial product and my time is precious, too. -- Dierk [DH² Publishing] www.DH2Publishing.info Writing and Imaging Current version is 4.0.38.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Model/view design for text editor
Hello marek! On Friday, December 27, 2002 at 2:36:11 AM you wrote: In precisely the way other clients do. I'm not talking about brain-dead software like Outlook Express; I'm talking about *excellent* software such as Forte Agent. Sorry, Agent uses soft-wraps during composition and will only change that to hard-wraps during send. Luckily the developers knew the rouble behind this and decided to soft-wrap at the pre-defined lengths - regardless of the window size. Specifically, it inserts a newline character where the user didn't. So again, there is nothing to disttinguish. The program should simply respect what the user entered. If I want a paragraph break, I'll press Enter. If I don't, I don't. That's not quite the right way with e-mail, the standard is to have a LB/CR (hard-wrap) at around 72 characters; PGP and Agent, BTW, use exactly that as default. So, you cannot just make up a paragraph by one new line, you need two. Which has become standard even in business letters (instead if indenting the first line of a new paragraph). You do exactly that with TB, it recognises a new paragraph through a blank line. As would the recipient, since indenting the first line is not good enough for recognition on a monitor. The client can and should break lines at a predefined length when sending, and all modern email clients do so, although it isn't really necessary most of the time. 1) Nobody questioned that, to the contrary. 2) What Marck wrote was that the sender should *see* the message the way it will be sent (or even received ...). 3) How come I regularly get messages - mostly from OL/OE - which don't wrap at all, they show even lengthy posts in just one long line? Does it have to be the same in appearance? Yes. Try making up a table. Isn't it much more convenient if you can resize the window as you're typing, and have the text automatically conform to the new size of the window - and so can the recipient? No. Isn't it more convenient when, if you add or remove some text inside a paragraph, the paragraph stays, rather than being split into a bunch of uneven lines? You can achieve this with TB through Auto-Format, Auto-Wrap, Altl. TheBat insists on inserting linebreaks where I didn't enter them. Which it will do regardless of what you see, *as long as it conforms to breaking lines at certain lengths*. You now can see it, with your scheme you won't know how it looks upon sending. Initially, I thought it was a hitch of an early version that would eventually be ironed out - but now that it seems to be a well-entrenched feature, it's still wrong. It's a feature, yes. It's wrong, no. It doesn't fit your needs, maybe. Just because something doesn't works like you want it to be doesn't make it wrong. You know, I am now around three years on these lists using TB for about the same time. This editor discussion pops up every few weeks, one can always see when a new marketing wave has hit, because new users complain about it. Every single time I've found those complaining loudest became the most ardent converts. Like with religion. (the above is what TheBat did after I inserted it provides into a previously-typed paragraph. I would now have to go back and reformat it to make it look good. Very awkward. ) You just had to Altl while your cursor is still in the paragraph. Or use Auto-format. Simply put, TheBat's editor doesn't have the concept of a paragraph. Not quite, it uses the now common business letter paragraph, everything between two empty lines is a paragraph. It may be a lot of things, but it is not convenient. And all of the popular text-only editors for Windows (Textpad, NoteTab, Ultraedit) managen to avoid this problem. All three mentioned, and Word since 2k, offer free-caret editing ike TB, but they don't have the restriction of using only plain text with a certain line lengths. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 I never think of the future. It comes soon enough. (Albert Einstein) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Model/view design for text editor
Hello Melissa! On Friday, December 27, 2002 at 3:07:25 AM you wrote: You seem to like Agent's editor, and I think it's a very weak editor...especially in comparison to the editor in The Bat! To each our own. :-) I'd really like to use TB's editor with Agent, whose editor is nothing more than a tool to put in characters and observe a pre-defined line length. The only good part about it is they way you can easily change between VPF and NVPF - or was that only in message view? -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Shoot them all - let GOD sort them out. (Grandpa Simpson) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [problems (IMAP, secure pop3, certificates, etc.)/help needed]
Hello James! On Friday, December 27, 2002 at 7:17:32 AM you wrote: Does version 2 have any anticipated release date? Somewhere in the future. Sorry, the only thing known about the release date is that the developers wok hard on it. Hopefully soon? I keep hearing of people reporting problems and shortcomings with this version and that version that are supposedly fixed in version 2, but I don't believe I've heard any official word from RITLabs about what new features / bug fixes are in version 2 and when they believe they'll have either the beta or final product ready. There once was an interview Marck conducted. Most of what was promised then has now been become part of 1.6x. BTW, there are not many bugs left in TB, and the shortcomings have more to do with certain aspects users want. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Wer von anderen nichts erwartet, darf sich nicht wundern, wenn er nichts erhält. (Aleks Papst) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Model/view design for text editor
Hello Bruno! On Friday, December 27, 2002 at 3:16:48 PM you wrote: I think many problems, such as editor preference, stem from comments such as a and b above. Who's definition of natural has been used to qualify TB's usage? Not you and I. The sentences you quoted are marketing claims, not scientifically proven ones. Which I think is obvious and not to discuss. We agree that the Agent editor has many shortcomings but also has a number of strengths. Don't know why this paragraph was in, I never doubted Agent's abilities. Whenever someone comes up with add news capabilities to TB I strongly recommend Agent for that. Alas, you're now confusing e-mail with text composition. No. Go back to my original message and you will see that I don't. So, you cannot just make up a paragraph by one new line, you need two. Says who? You can easily make a new paragraph in agent with a single new line. This is all in implementation. My sentence is an observation, not a god-given principle. Which has become standard even in business letters Oh oh Someone bringing up standards while trying to make an argument against the very use of them. Whatever you say here about me is a) wrong b) derogatory. I don't care if TB's editor uses any presumed standards, I want it to work properly under certain conditions. which it does, especially considering e-mail. Must be because your viewer isn't smart enough to wrap those lines. :) No, look at the context of my rhetorical question and you'll easily see that it is certain mailers (like OE/OL, although not exclusively them and not under all circumstances) don't use LB/CR at the end of a line. How often do I make a table in an email message? Not very often. So, now we are down to, I don't do it, so leave it. Don't take away my freedoms in using a program because you don't think it's convenient for you. I don't find it very convenient having to constantly ALT-L. You can use whatever you want. As I want to use what I want. What I don't want is a variety of programmes behaving alike; that is not the point of choice. If someone wants HTML mail composition, use a mailer who can do it, not TB. You don't like the editor *and* are not comfortable with the reasons others give why they like it *and* don't want the advice of how you can achieve what you want, go use another mailer. That's why we need different [sic!] e-mail clients (this applies to every artefact). But that functionality does seem tied to the incorrect function. It would more logically be tied to auto-wrap (because that's what it's doing) rather than auto-format. I am not in the least interested of which function should be labeled how. Yes, I'd like companies to try to make up useful labels, I'd like to have an easy way through a programme, car, cell phone, digital camera, computer. But that wasn't the point here, I just tried to show you (or whoever) how to achieve what you want. I will point you back to your own comments regarding Agent. Really, follow along. :) Composition can be presented in any way a software author wants. There are really no limits with this. The relationship between composition and final text can be as similar or as obscure as a software author would like it to be. And Marck and I tried to argue why it is a good idea to see during composition how the end product looks like. ever heard the term WYSIWYG? It's a feature, yes. It's wrong, no. It doesn't fit your needs, maybe. He, and others, including myself, are telling you is most definitely does not suit our needs. No maybe about it. It is wrong only in the sense that it does not follow normal conventions. cut I consider a shortcoming. Second first: Me not. Whatever you consider normal conventions ... others may not. Consider a thought experiment, a so-called other world: If TB's editor had been there before Word and become more popular (through which ways ever), the normal convention would be TB's behaviour. It's pretty clear already. The bottom line is that everyone (I hope) using the program has paid to do so. It is completely within reason to want a little bit more from your investment. Well, I paid for a programme as is, not because it may in the future be what I want it to be. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Todo, pero con manera (Everything, but with civility.). Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [Model/view design for text editor][27/12/2002-19:54 GMT]
Hello Peter! On Friday, December 27, 2002 at 9:22:28 PM you wrote: If there was anything else you wanted to tell us, I must say, I'm sorry, I didn't get it... He tried to send me something privately. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 He who hesitates is probably right. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Model/view design for text editor
Hello Allie! On Friday, December 27, 2002 at 11:55:50 PM you wrote: It's pretty clear already. The bottom line is that everyone (I hope) using the program has paid to do so. It is completely within reason to want a little bit more from your investment. DH Well, I paid for a programme as is, not because it may in the DH future be what I want it to be. Are you implying here that users should use the program as is and not ask for enhancements? Surely not. I just commented on the implication of the original message. We should be happy to get enhancements *without paying again*. That is an advantage of software over hardware. Or do you consider it your right to ask for enhancements in your car because you paid for it? And I don't mean repairs. I am writing about complaints that your motor doesn't deliver the power you want. Or a slightly rougher ride than you expected. Isn't the big advantage of shareware to test it before deciding to buy it and then complain. All this sounds much more harsh than it was originally intended to be. The thread started with a good - actually the best ever on the lists - critique of TB's editor. Several members tried to answer it, within reason. Then came up one or two messages telling those that like the editor as is off. In the last few weeks I found that ever more users seem to like TB but want more features, not all of them unreasonable, most surely be possible through a plug-in interface, or being optional. All in all I find a strange trend toward making TB what other mailers are. Sometimes even on the grounds of variety is essential. Well, Maxxx once (actually more than once) wrote passionately about TB first ironing out bugs then adding features. He also kept track of feature requests for a while and tried to sort them by importance. Back to the editor: Leave it as it is but make it possible to use an external editor. Oh, I just see that this is not only a long-standing wish but also one several times being reported as will be in v2. Alright with me. Not alright it is (shades of Yoda) to tell me about the wrong way of TB's editor. BTW, some of the arguments used pro TB haven't even been addressed ... -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 That's what Love will make you do ... (Little Milton) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [problems (IMAP, secure pop3, certificates, etc.)/help needed]
Hello Aldo! On Thursday, December 26, 2002 at 11:47:42 AM you wrote: Could you advice, please, on what I should do ? Well, TB 1.x does support IMAP only very rudimentary, it will connect to the server and download mail. Actually IMAP in TB is currently nothing more than POP3 via IMAP server. Version 2 is said to have complete IMAP support. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 The First Amendment presupposes that right conclusions are more likely to be gathered out of a multitude of tongues, than through any kind of authoritative selection. (Judge Learned Hand as cited in New York Times v. Sullivan) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: password on messages
Hello Allie! On Thursday, December 26, 2002 at 12:55:12 PM you wrote: Where ever you have the blank lines, just put %- at the beginning of the line. Not at the end? -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 That's what Love will make you do ... (Little Milton) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [problems (IMAP, secure pop3, certificates, etc.)/help needed]
Hello Luigi! On Thursday, December 26, 2002 at 1:55:59 PM you wrote: It's not just IMAP problem. The same happens with POP3 using TLS protocol. I had to get and installa manually the certificate of my ISP in order to establish a secure communication. Is this a missing feature, or is a deliberate behaviour? I'd say it's a problem with secure connections. You see, to establish one, you need a server supporting it and the correct implementation incl. certificates. A feature of TB is to use the best secure method even if the server doesn't use it. But in one of the last versions that was changed to revert to the next possible authentication, AFAIK. When TB connects to one of my mail servers (don't know if it is POP or SMTP) the log always shows unknown authentication method but TB nonetheless connects. Sorry to be that vague, but this is more a question for some of our more tech savvy members, who seem to be vacationing. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Yes, *you* can make a difference. You just have to *do* something ... anything. (Derek Leveret) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: password on messages
Hello Jonathan! On Thursday, December 26, 2002 at 6:24:42 PM you wrote: I might be wrong here, but as I remember that is how it works. I think it'd need to be placed at the end of line if the line contains characters, and at the beginning of the line if the line didn't contain characters. Apart from the nice idea of a line containing no characters having not the same end and begin position ... This question can be answered by two simple experiments. Anybody volunteering? ;-) -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Lebe inkonsistent! (D.A. Wien) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Feature Request I'd Like To See in The Bat!
Hello Victor! On Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 2:28:12 AM you wrote: Built in calendar with mail scheduling features. Anniversaries, Birthdays, Holidays, Business... Scheduling: Concur. Full-blown calendar: No. I would also like to see support for newsgroups which should be somewhat a standard for mail clients. It was said his will come via plug-in with v2. I'd prefer TB stays an e-mail client. News is much more than mail and there are at least two good news clients on the market (Gravity and Agent, even Free Agent is very good). I also think that mailing lists and Web fori steadily replace Usenet. Extract information from the body and sort to address book or to file. Isn't that possible with RegEx? Reply without using default reply address but templates reply address. I may misunderstand this, but isn't that what AB templates (perhaps in conjunction with QTs) are for? A full quick template window instead of the fixed size. Concur. Instead of one button for all macros it should be much like the file menu aligned along the top for all macro categories. Concur. And it should be able to access *all* macros. Sorting office filters window should not be a fixed size window. Concur. More options in the sense of one filter with check box options for read, replied, etc... Hm, that is all in there, just, the usability concept is another one than yours. Happy Holidays :) Concur. Alright: Merry Christmas to all! -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Second Marriage: Another instance of the triumph of hope over experience. (Samuel Johnson) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wasted space inserted by macros.
Hello John! On Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 9:41:25 AM you wrote: As I understand this,a %- is to be added to ~each~ of the macros above which a line of space is wasted? Yes, this specific macro tells TB to not insert a line break. You could also put all your macros at the end of the message; just be sure to have any macro that attaches a file before the macro typing out attachments. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 I think the idea of art is killing creativity. (Douglas Adams) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: AW: The Bat FREEZES again!
Hello nenad! On Wednesday, December 25, 2002 at 6:47:20 PM you wrote: Now I think I really wasted my money for that program I though it would be the onliest one, which is worth paying for. Did you ever contemplate that TB is not the culprit? Firstly TB never froze on me except once or twice in a very unstable beta about one and a half to two years ago. Neither on Win95 nor XP Home did it freeze. Secondly you have now tested different builds of TB which are programmed differently (even different languages) and it still freezes your comp? A problem that is not widespread. Perhaps something else on your system interferes. Like Zone Alarm, any firewall at all, some malware, a wrong system configuration. Just suggestions. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 If all men acted from enlightened self interest, the world would be a paradise in comparison to what it is. (Bertrand Russell) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Bat Registration - why can't I get it?
Hello John! On Monday, December 23, 2002 at 10:32:12 AM you wrote: I disagree. The best customer you can have is the one you already have. Proven fact. (or myth?) Wrongly worded. I think this myth comes from distribution department. The customer you already have is *easier* to have as a customer. That may sound circular but it isn't. You need much more money and effort to get a new customer than you need to hold an existing one. This is vital in advertising and marketing because it also tells you to concentrate most of your efforts on *new* customers. I am actually convinced that you cannot lose customers you already have by changing your advertising, you lose them through bad service. Hence advertising can solely be targeted at potential clients. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity. (Derek Leveret) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Thomas! On Saturday, December 21, 2002 at 12:44:53 AM you wrote: Well, I never used OL/OE, but I also had some business associates who sent me their vCards with every message. Quite an annoying habit. Once I have their details in my AB, I don't need them to attach their vCard again and again. 1. Nothing to do with what I wrote. 2. What you describe is a shortcoming in MS's software, you only have the option to include vCard with every message or none at all. Another point where TB shows its supremacy. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 The graveyards are full of people who rushed in bravely but unwisely. (Terry Pratchett) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Format block as quoted
Hello Roelof! On Friday, December 20, 2002 at 9:49:58 AM you wrote: But if you start the line with a space TB will never display it as bold. And if it is Bold specifically that bothers you switch - like me - to the PTV (Yes, your lines would have been shown in red). -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Why don't you ever see the headline, Psychic Wins Lottery? Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Thomas! On Friday, December 20, 2002 at 4:37:25 AM you wrote: If I do that, will you allow me one line for the X-Face? Let's be perfectly honest, the best way to get rid of unnecessary overhead would be to ban e-mail, actually computers. The Internet is there to solve problems one would not have without them. Take the TB lists, perfectly self-referential and therefore useless to everyone not using TB. That is why I hate arguments on specifics, in this case bandwidth. It does not hold for me, my line is wide enough to download even the notoriously big security patches from MS in a little more than 2 minutes - and this line doesn't cost me extra for time or traffic. I still don't want X-Face or something similar. I also don't want people to always be exposed to my face - or whatever I chose to put in. I like the idea of the Rogues Gallery but even that is not used honestly. In my experience there'll always be clowns using Bart faces, *LotR* characters, *Star Wars* images. I don't want to see that. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Only the strong survive. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Peter! On Friday, December 20, 2002 at 11:48:04 AM you wrote: Just to clear things a little bit: I was not nitpicking on waste of bandwidth because of too much headerline or superfluous information in mails. No problem with your arguments, actually we just took the same approach with partly even identical wording in answering Thomas' - hopefully tongue-in-cheek - post. As you have read by now. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Statistics are like bikinis: What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Simon! On Friday, December 20, 2002 at 12:08:07 PM you wrote: Let's say a check box under your personal photo *in your personal VCard* to allow sending of your photo, *That* is a good idea. Two years ago I couldn't include a portrait into my vCard because the vCard consistently crashed OL/OE - and most of my contacts use that. As some of them are business associates it is not a good idea to send them messages crashing their PCs. Hence, what I suggest is to give Add vCard a submenu: - with photo - without photo - just photo -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Marriage is a wonderful institution, but who wants to live in an institution? Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Opera and TB
Hello Luc! On Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 1:19:57 AM you wrote: DH with the new beta 2 other than the M2 internal mailer is chooseable. DH And it works with TB flawlessly. Could you expand a bit on this Dierk? Do you mean that you couldn't point the preferences to TB! in your b1? That worked fine for me. O7b1 and b1b were not complete, they, beside other things, lacked the prefs for choosing an e-mail client. That was discussed on the beta group, confirmed by various OS employees. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Second Marriage: Another instance of the triumph of hope over experience. (Samuel Johnson) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Heiko! On Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 2:27:30 PM you wrote: It seems that with TB, I have to press Shift-Ctrl-O to get the picture. Or is there a way to show it as default, like in YAM? The picture is a bitmap only stored in the AB/vCard. If not, I´ll have to find out how to request a new feature... ;-) Sad to say it is already suggested. At least through the list. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 There *is* love at first sight. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Getting 'educational' out of the headers?
Hello Thomas! On Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 4:37:40 PM you wrote: OTOH, I was a Person when I bought TB, and now I am a Student. Should I ask for a refund? I always thought it was my impression that students are not persons ... I now see that it is a common notion. ;-) -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Jede gute Tat zieht ihre Bestrafung nach sich. (Aleks Papst) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Thomas! On Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 4:44:18 PM you wrote: It would only be a handful of lines of code to include this option. I wouldn't call that bloat. A few line here, a few lines there ... Bloat is part of a continuum, like heap. How much can be considered right, and when is it too much? Also, one man's useful feature is another woman's bloat. I don't want X-Image (or whatever that is called). -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 You can't please everyone, so you've got to please yourself. (Ricky Nelson) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Heiko! On Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 8:11:51 PM you wrote: I couldn't see a point of it until I used it. It makes Emails much more personal if you have a picture of the sender displayed. I don't want that. And I don't intend to get this into a pseudo-logical/rational debate. So don't ask why. I just don't want it. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Silence is the virtue of fools. (Francis Bacon) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello Thomas! On Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 8:57:48 PM you wrote: I do. It isn't compulsory to use, and if someone does, the overhead is minimal. How can it not be compulsory. If someone sends it, I see it ... -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 The whole problem with the world is that fools and fanatics are always so certain of themselves, but wiser people so full of doubts. (Bertrand Russell) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Pictures
Hello myob! On Thursday, December 19, 2002 at 8:51:25 PM you wrote: Agreed. I've found it one of the plus points in Ameol, and would like it as an option in TB! too. Seems to be a real killer feature. Let's go wells and bhistles everyone! -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Life is like a sewer: What you get out of it, depends on what you put into it! (Tom Lehrer) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Opera and TB
Hello TBUDL Members! Just for those members interested in the current Opera beta series, with the new beta 2 other than the M2 internal mailer is chooseable. And it works with TB flawlessly. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Marry someone you love to talk to. As you get older, conversational skills will grow more important. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: pgp plugin?
Hello Toby! On Monday, December 16, 2002 at 6:10:52 AM you wrote: am I missing something? Concerning PGP and TB: No. The menu just changed its name some time ago. Your sig, OTOH, was a bit excessive ... Don't forget, your messages are archived on-line with access to everybody. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Die Trunkenheit vermehrt schön zwei schöne Dinge - Mut und Liebe. (Jean Paul) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP or S/MIME
Hello Scott! On Monday, December 16, 2002 at 3:15:44 AM you wrote: DH My own position is, we should all sign all our messages and even DH encrypt it. I am not the one to tell others what is important or not. I would never tell others what they have to do, but if it ever comes to this point, where everyone *must* sign and encrypt, then you won't see my smiling ASCII here any longer. I wrote should. To my understanding, this is not the intent of the powers that be so no need for anyone to correct me on this point. Besides...wouldn't encrypting messages here defeat the purpose of this list? Don't we want as many people as possible to see the wonders of The Bat! and the excellent help offered here? Why would we ever want to hide the messages from outside eyes by encrypting them? Our did not mean we on this list but everybody at all. For practical purposes mailing-list traffic shouldn't - and, BTW, couldn't easily - be encrypted. What I am not for is Using the technology here in this list day after day. Do you think I need a certificate to beleive that you are indeed Dierk? To me it actually doesn't matter who you believe I am. It's, BTW, not the purpose of PGP signing to ensure your believe of me as a person. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 If you ask the government for a permit, you admit to having no right! Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
S/MIME
Hello Spike! On Monday, December 16, 2002 at 4:09:53 PM you wrote: This is why I refuse to use any M$ mailer 'product' for my systems. Standards should be standards (unless you are MicroShaft)! This just doesn't work for me.. Just replied to change the subject. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Only the strong survive. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: question 2
Hello Tony! On Sunday, December 15, 2002 at 2:50:10 AM you wrote: Thanks to BOTH you and Mark for your suggestions, sometimes its the simplest things, (runs and hides with head down) Tony, as a fellow user (I am *not* a moderator) I'd like to ask you for two things concerning future messages: 1. Please use a meaningful subject. 2. Please cut away excess quotes. Thank you! -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 He, who doth not look back, will lose his way. (Derek Leveret) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: question 2
Hello Miguel! On Sunday, December 15, 2002 at 10:34:51 AM you wrote: Bandwidth concerns? ;-) No, readability. I am on a DSL flat rate with 2 Mbit/s download. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Ernährung ist tödlich! Jeder, der sich lange genug ernährt, ist bislang gestorben. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
PGP or S/MIME
Hello Scott! On Sunday, December 15, 2002 at 10:48:30 AM you wrote: Don't get me wrong...I see the point of signing and certificates when dealing with sensitive data and important Emails, but here? My own position is, we should all sign all our messages and even encrypt it. I am not the one to tell others what is important or not. BTW, if everybody encrypted posts, nobody could be prejudiced to be guilty of anything just because he encrypts (and I am not just thinking of dictatorial nations but specifically of current developments in Great Britain, Germany and the USA). That signing is a good thing is out of the question ... And why does this bandwidth argument often comes up to say This discussion should not be held? -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Respect Yourself. (Pops Staples) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: question 2
Hello Miguel! On Sunday, December 15, 2002 at 11:05:22 AM you wrote: I know, I was just joking because of the other thread. I also hate having to scroll down to read messages. That is why in a threaded environment like this list I would prefer top posting, but that would take us again to one of those recursive and endless discussions. Me not. But you know that I am an ardent fighter for in line posting ... -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Don't let a little dispute injure a friendship. Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SmartBat new features?
Hello Jim! On Saturday, December 14, 2002 at 12:32:13 AM you wrote: Are there any attempts at documenting this feature (besides the FAQ which has some brief mentions of it)??? And when this new design will do what I think it will - namely incorporating various editors into TB via SmartBat - when will others installed on a system, like TextPad on mine, be supported? -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 The most powerful strategy in life is tit-for-tat. None other is as successful. (Derek Leveret) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SmartBat new features?
Hello Peter! On Saturday, December 14, 2002 at 11:28:39 AM you wrote: I guess it's not for integrating different editors, but more for being able to switch between Editor and e.g. Calendar and whatever should come with PIM functionality which is announced. Then I want at least the editor of my choice being in SmartBat instead of Notepad. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Mitfreude, nicht Mitleiden macht den Freund. (Friedrich Nietzsche) Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: XP; TB not autodialing
Hello Joseph! On Friday, December 13, 2002 at 5:14:08 AM you wrote: Kerio PF 2.1.4. Not sure how that would matter, though, because the autodialing itself is independent of the firewall, and there are rules in place to allow the message retrieval. XP firewall? Took me (and a very helpful TBUDL member) five minutes to think of that when we set up my LAN. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 The graveyards are full of people who rushed in bravely but unwisely. (Terry Pratchett) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: About TB ON XP *freezing*
Hello Gerard! On Thursday, December 12, 2002 at 8:16:17 PM you wrote: My problems started after about 9 months of problem free operation. Nine months seems to be the normal period before the sleepless nights, loud noises, strange smells etc. happen. Sorry, couldn't resist, and it was a long week,very cold, not to my liking, with some rather bad news ... -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Cynic: A blackguard whose faulty vision sees things as they are, not as they ought to be. (Ambrose Bierce) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SOT: LDAP Vs POP3 What about PGP on XP?
Hello Victor! On Monday, December 9, 2002 at 12:38:52 PM you wrote: I heard The Bat! doesn't use PGP 8 and heard PGP 8 is the only compatible app to work with XP... PGP 6.5.8ckt build 9 (beta) *is* compatible with WinXP and has a plug-in for TB written by Imad Faiad himself. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Sex is hereditary. If your parents never had it, chances are you won't either. (Murphy's Law on Sex) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: F8 to selected address book
Hello Miguel! On Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 12:59:18 PM you wrote: It sticks until you exit TB. When you start again, Account Properties | General | Default address book still shows the setting I have selected but F8 doesn't open it. Just changed it from default to one of my ABs called Privat. I then tried F8, which opened Leipzig for me. So, didn't work at all. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Statistics are like bikinis: What they reveal is suggestive, but what they conceal is vital. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SOT: LDAP Vs POP3 What about PGP on XP?
Hello Melissa! On Tuesday, December 10, 2002 at 7:29:56 PM you wrote: You also asked why some of us sign all our messages with PGP. I could give you an explanation of my *several* reasons, but it would be a bit too far off-topic for TBUDL. If you wish to take that to TBOT or private email, I'll be happy to continue the discussion. Let me add that usually all my messages are PGP signed, until recently my TB mailing list ones, too. As several members complained about it once too often I decided not to make the moderator's life to hard by inserting the %NOUSEPGP into my TB templates. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Everybody loves a winner, but when you lose, you lose alone. (William Bell) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: My comments about The Bat! a question
Hello Victor! On Friday, December 6, 2002 at 5:12:20 PM you wrote: Would asking for a customized macro on this list be a wise idea? I do not write macros and learning The Bat! can go from snowball to avalanche at the launch of a help file. The very idea of this list i to ask such questions and get answers to them. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Military Intelligence is a contradiction in terms. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Query re use of generic email addresses
Hello David! On Friday, December 6, 2002 at 6:00:09 PM you wrote: Any help (in simple language) would be very much appreciated. Since I am not quite sure I understood you correctly I can only give a hint that may suit you: Quick Templates used for Mass Mailing (This is a feature available from the Address Book). With MM you can customize your posts to the people on you list such that they get individual messages with only their own address anywhere in it. For an automated process one can surely utilize filters, macros and RegExs. IIRC somewhere in the FAQ is an article by Leif Gregory on how to set up a mailing list with TB. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 When people have problems using a design, it's not because they are stupid. It's because the design is too difficult. (Jakob Nielsen) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Macro for PGP sign and crypt
Hello Cedric! On Friday, December 6, 2002 at 10:12:34 PM you wrote: I mean, in the howto, it says that there is a way with macro to crypt or sign a mail message automatically... There are numerous ways to achieve automated signing and encrypting. One way would be to enable in PGP preferences both options (Always sign ... and Always encrypt ...). To not sign/encrypt every message you then put the %NOUSEPGP macro into your templates. that's how I avoid signing on these mailing lists. You could also do it the other way round and use %SIGNCOMPLETE or %ENCRYPTCOMPLETE in templates - a much more tedious way. BTW, as for encryption the addressee needs to have his PGP key, it would just be an annoyance if you enable Always encrypt ...; messages to folks without a key wouldn't be encrypted but you would be asked to choose the key from the list or a server. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62 Christmas Edition on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Assumptions are the mother of all screw ups. (Derek Leveret) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MS Office integration
Hello Nick! On Thursday, December 5, 2002 at 1:05:17 PM you wrote: Oh dear! Making TB! the MAPI handler prevents my (essential) OL2002 plug-ins from working and still doesn't fix the original problem. OK, know what you mean. Tried it just now on my XP machine, although TB told me it had been successful, WordXP still had the option to send to mail client grayed out. It could be the WinXP system security preventing TB to correctly replace the MAPI DLL. Or we have to tweak the registry in addition to the DLL exchange. BTW, although I was quite sure it worked on my Win95 machine, just now a test led to a frozen system ... -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta16 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 It's never too late to start all over again. (John Kay) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Setup an AV correctly for TB!
Hello Eddie! On Wednesday, December 4, 2002 at 11:24:17 AM you wrote: So what could be done differently to change this? Unless there is a plug-in for TB or the AV scanner has an option to scan incoming mail - nothing. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta16 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 You can love somebody even after knowing him for just a second. (Derek Leveret) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP/MIME
Hello Eddie! On Wednesday, December 4, 2002 at 2:19:23 PM you wrote: - is this normal? Yes, that's actually the point of MIME. - what is PGP/MIME? A standard used by some mailers (i.e. Eudora) to sign and encrypt a message (and its attachments), and then not showing it inline but as a MIME attachment. - can TB! handle this? Not yet. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta16 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Beauty is only skin deep. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MS Office integration
Hello Geoff! On Wednesday, December 4, 2002 at 4:09:14 PM you wrote: On 04 December 2002, 14:46, Nick Dutton wrote: Is is possible to get TB! to integrate with MS Word etc? I'd like to use the Try installing Tb as Simple MAPI handler (it's somewhere in some Preferences of TB). -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta16 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Ein Berater ist jemand, der 49 Liebespositionen kennt, aber kein einziges Mädchen. (Kasimir M. Magyar) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: PGP/MIME
Hello Eddie! On Wednesday, December 4, 2002 at 7:47:17 PM you wrote: Thanks Dierk. Do you know if it in the pipe for v2? Not sure. It is high on the wish list, though. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta16 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 In politics, stupidity is not a handicap. (Napoleon Bonaparte) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: SOT: the other TB! Lists are dead!
Hello Eddie! On Wednesday, December 4, 2002 at 7:54:22 PM you wrote: I'm writing into this ML just to hear the opinion of the others. I'm not getting news in the other TB! nor in other ML such as PGP KPF. They all on Y!groups. Di you also experience on your site this silence? The lists under the Silverstones domain (TBUDL and TBBETA) have medium traffic at the moment, the third one on this domain (TBTECH) is from what I see quiet - as often. TBOT did have some messages, but I don't know exactly when the last ones came in, as I am filtering all TB related mail into one folder. It's the olden way, before TBUDL was split up ... -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta16 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity. (Derek Leveret) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Setup an AV correctly for TB!
Hello Jonathan! On Tuesday, December 3, 2002 at 10:35:02 AM you wrote: - is my current AV strong enough to handle newer kind of malisious code such as the 'eicar'? Ok, I have to laugh about this one line. :-) To add something. F-Secure is one of the strongest - if not *the* strongest - AV programmes on the market. It uses two (the XP version: three) scan engines. The point is to update your virus definition base regularly. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta16 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Shoot them all - let GOD sort them out. (Grandpa Simpson) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Long line
Hello Adam! On Monday, December 2, 2002 at 2:53:39 AM you wrote: If you take a paragraph that is formatted fine, could you turn it into one long logical line, as you've probably seen many a time? I'm not sure what Utilities could do it. Basic opposite of ALT L I guess. a) What for? b) Make it a URL format. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta16 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 When you realize you've made a mistake, take immediate steps to correct it. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Long line
Hello Adam! On Monday, December 2, 2002 at 7:03:13 PM you wrote: DH b) Make it a URL format. Can you explain? Write your line and begin it with http://; ((without the quotes)); everything in the following should be written as one long word - or use %20 or underscores for spaces. A URL will not be hard-wrapped. Ah, although this works, my advice was solely tongue-in-cheek ... -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta16 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Never laugh at anyone's dreams. People who don't have dreams, don't have much. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Marking messages as Read when replied.
Hello Daniel! On Saturday, November 30, 2002 at 7:10:46 AM you wrote: I realise I could set up a filter to do this, but I want it to do it for every folder... - if i write a reply to a unread message, I want it to be marked as read, regardless of it's location... Sorry, but how can you reply to a message not being read? Otherwise you just set a time limit (or use another of the offered options) to make a message read ... -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta16 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 There are four essential things in the world: Life, Truth, Freedom, Love. From them stems everything, and none of them is superior to the others. (Derek Leveret) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Adding attachment to mass mail
Hello Richard! On Saturday, November 30, 2002 at 10:01:36 AM you wrote: All I have is the following in the bottom of each mail %ATTACHFILE=XXX but no separate attach window in the message and no attach icon in the out box and I know the attachment doesn't get sent because I tried it last night and have already had complaints that it wasn't there ;-) Put it at the beginning of your template/message with the addition of %- at the end of the line. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta16 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Wer Kritik übel nimmt, hat etwas zu verbergen. (Helmut schmidt) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Marking messages as Read when replied.
Hello Daniel! On Saturday, November 30, 2002 at 11:38:55 AM you wrote: as mentioned in the other message, its read, just not marked as such. Its a bizarre little setup I use I know, but it works for me, so unless someone can think of a better solution, its what I would like to stick to... - I just want to mark the message as read automatically, so that I don't forget to do that as well :) Flagging or Colour Groups. You can search for flagged or coloured messages. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta16 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Living is learning. One of the important things to learn: Scrap Respect, it is usually just fear of your own courage. (Derek Leveret) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Adding attachment to mass mail
Hello Richard! On Saturday, November 30, 2002 at 6:10:06 PM you wrote: Strange but that doesn't work at all and, even if I put the cursor at the beginning of the message, it still puts the macro at the end :-( It was just a try. It is only important to have the attachment macro before the macro listing the attachments. As today I ran into the same problem - an automated reply didn't have the attachments - I now another idea. Did you by any chance change your directory hierarchy lately? I did and had to correct the value for the macro. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta16 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 We are at that awkward stage in history: It's too early to shoot the bastards, and too late for working within the system to do any good. (Clair Wolfe) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Adding attachment to mass mail
Hello Richard! On Saturday, November 30, 2002 at 6:42:08 PM you wrote: No, all the same. I don't suppose it's this new beta causing it? Easy to find out: Download the current version (beta 16) and try again. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta16 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 If all men acted from enlightened self interest, the world would be a paradise in comparison to what it is. (Bertrand Russell) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Adding attachment to mass mail
Hello Richard! On Saturday, November 30, 2002 at 6:57:53 PM you wrote: But that's why I asked, we're both using it already :-( Sorry, your signature and X-Mailer header show beta 7. And mine works (after I corrected the path). -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta16 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Wer von anderen nichts erwartet, darf sich nicht wundern, wenn er nichts erhält. (Aleks Papst) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anti-virus
Hello Thomas! On Saturday, November 30, 2002 at 7:01:32 PM you wrote: I don't get your question. My AV-software doesn't have a plug-in either (PC-Cillin), but I have set it to real-time scan, so everything that comes in is scanned. No need for a command-line option. Seems PC-cillin can be set to scan incoming e-mail. There may be scanners which cannot (like F-Secure), a behaviour I like. With my new notebook and a new version of F-Secure I have set it to real-time-scan - actually I was fed up with every time unloading RTS, as F-Secure does always go back to RTS when the system is started again. But that does only work when a file in question is accessed. For sentimental reasons and a more transparent scanning I chose to use F-Secure's command line version for scanning of files I download with GetRight. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta16 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Wieso gilt eigentlich gerade das Nackte als anzüglich? (D.A. Wien) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Adding attachment to mass mail
Hello Richard! On Saturday, November 30, 2002 at 7:26:06 PM you wrote: Which path - sorry to be thick? As I wrote earlier, someone sent me a message which is usually processed completely automatically on my side. It gets filtered and an auto-reply is created; this reply contains two small files (my PGP keys). About four weeks ago I bought me a notebook which i now my main working computer; TB was carried over by an internal backup/restore, which kept all my filters and templates intact. Since the notebook's HD is partitioned in a slightly different way from the old one and I chose to distribute certain files in a different way, some of the paths I use as values in TB's macros didn't work anymore. In this specific case, the %ATTACHFILE macro lines (each file uses one) showed E:\path instead of D:\path. After I corrected that everything worked fine. On a side note, the same happened for my cookies line. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta16 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 The First Amendment presupposes that right conclusions are more likely to be gathered out of a multitude of tongues, than through any kind of authoritative selection. (Judge Learned Hand as cited in New York Times v. Sullivan) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: html mailto bug
Hello Nathan! On Friday, November 29, 2002 at 8:21:30 AM you wrote: The be lenient in what you accept, strict in what you send So, TB should send mailto links correctly coded and accept (in other mails) them wrong? First, I am not sure what that means in this context. Second, how the hell should TB know what part after a mailto: belongs to the link and what is the next normal text? PGP keys available: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendMyPGPkeys for secure and private conversation per e-mail with me. And? -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta16 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Asking dumb questions is easier than correcting dumb mistakes. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: html mailto bug
Hello Allie! On Friday, November 29, 2002 at 12:52:20 PM you wrote: You ask the question. How is TB! to know when the mail-to link ends??? You can't compare an incorrectly formatted mailto link embedded in text to an incorrectly formatted url or other link put in a browsers address field. The browser can safely assume that all characters entered in the address field, makes up the URL. So if there's a space, it will automatically insert the %20 characters. Yes, I see what you mean. But, AIUI, the original poster asked about a bug in TB - the application not recognising a space in a link correctly. As my example showed, there is a good reason to *not* have spaces in a link; this, BTW, holds for any application. Programmes that interpret malformed links correctly use a database behind it, like in your example, the browser uses a specified field. I can programme such forms in Paradox (or any other database application) telling it Use this field for e-mail addresses or This field contains web links. Paradox will then a) format the values I put in and b) make them live. The use of mailto links in connection with TB implied to me the scenario of a user clicking on such a link in a web page, TB opening and then showing a cut off Subject line. Which is not a bug in TB but a flaw in the mailto link. Or am I thick? -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta16 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Shoot them all - let GOD sort them out. (Grandpa Simpson) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: html mailto bug
Hello Nathan! On Thursday, November 28, 2002 at 8:03:53 AM you wrote: I think I've found a minor, but annoying mailto: bug. This is not actually a bug, simply a malformed value for the protocol used. There are no blanks allowed in such links unless they are correctly encoded as %20 (without quotation marks). Somewhere in the FAQs you find a link to an article (or the article itself, I can't remember) by Leif Gregory on how to form such links. The most valuable idea being to use an underscore instead of an encoded blank. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta16 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Second Marriage: Another instance of the triumph of hope over experience. (Samuel Johnson) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: culling e-mail addresses from in-box for group mailing to friends
Hello sacksa! On Monday, November 25, 2002 at 7:33:02 PM you wrote: [I also presume that putting all names in the bcc field and then sending the message to myself is the easiest way to avoid having everyone on the list see everyone else's address? Correct?] No, the easiest way is to use a Quick Template for a Mass Mailing. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 When life is reduced to its very essence, we find that we have many genes in common with every species on Earth, and that we're not so different from one another. (J. Craig Venter) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Very quiet ...
Hello TBOT Members! ... or do I have a server problem? -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Use your health, even to the point of wearing it out. That is what it is for. Spend all you have before you die; and do not outlive yourself. (George Bernard Shaw) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (SOT) Use of Re: in the subject line
Hello Thomas! 1: Shavian is the adjective of Shaw; it is used specifically to name an alphabet G.B. Shaw advised for the English language. 2: ghoti is - as was, despite a typo by me, correctly identified - fish, the prime example of Shaw's why the English spelling needs a reform. gh from tough, o from women, ti from nation. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Wenn Ärger im Menschen ist, so macht er selten das Klügste, sondern gewöhnlich das Dümmste. (Jeremias Gotthelf) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (SOT) Use of Re: in the subject line
Hello Thomas! On Friday, November 22, 2002 at 6:19:31 AM you wrote: The author's assessment that res is a Latin expression meaning in the matter of is wrong, res is just a female noun meaning thing or matter. Whether Re: stands for res (in which case I wonder why we exchange the last s with a colon) or for Reply: is anybody's guess. I would say the latter, in the sense of: I am replying to your mail with a subject of: [followed be the original subject]. Yes, res means literally a thing. From your clear statement in this paragraph I am sure you are a Latin scholar with deep historic knowledge, so forgive my following correction. Res also stands for being or phenomenon; the term republic stems from the Latin expression res publica meaning literally something concerning all people (although those people actually were citizens, therefore not at all all people). For a very long time Latin has been the language of the literate people - they spoke it deep into the Middle Ages, sometimes even up to modern times, and they wrote in it. In *lettres* they used the used the ablative re to show right at the beginning what the following pamphlet was about. Thus it came into use in the sense of concerning, regarding. It is pure coincidence that the prefix re- in the English word reply (borrowed from Latin) is spelled the same. Actually the term used by RITLabs Subject is a tell-tale sign for the original meaning of re: being a translation of res. Even a most basic Latin dictionary like *Langenscheidts Taschenwörterbuch Lateinisch* gives a lot of meanings for res including the original Schatz, Besitz (treasure, property, possession). Thank you for your time. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 When you lose, don't lose the lesson. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (SOT) Use of Re: in the subject line
Hello Simon! On Friday, November 22, 2002 at 2:27:31 PM you wrote: I'm not altogether convinced, and please don't take that as a personal remark as that isn't what is intended. However, I do accept that in clients like TB! the use of Re: means 'Reply'. Thought my research presented here cleared the matter ... If not I gladly post it again. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Be contend with what you get, and what you get will be contend with you. (Derek Leveret) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (SOT) Use of Re: in the subject line
Hello Simon! On Friday, November 22, 2002 at 2:47:14 PM you wrote: ??? I must have missed your reply Dierk ??? Sorry. Yes, can you post it again please? Yes, res means literally a thing. From your clear statement in this paragraph I am sure you are a Latin scholar with deep historic knowledge, so forgive my following correction. Res also stands for being or phenomenon; the term republic stems from the Latin expression res publica meaning literally something concerning all people (although those people actually were citizens, therefore not at all all people). For a very long time Latin has been the language of the literate people - they spoke it deep into the Middle Ages, sometimes even up to modern times, and they wrote in it. In *lettres* they used the used the ablative re to show right at the beginning what the following pamphlet was about. Thus it came into use in the sense of concerning, regarding. It is pure coincidence that the prefix re- in the English word reply (borrowed from Latin) is spelled the same. Actually the term used by RITLabs Subject is a tell-tale sign for the original meaning of re: being a translation of res. Even a most basic Latin dictionary like *Langenscheidts Taschenwörterbuch Lateinisch* gives a lot of meanings for res including the original Schatz, Besitz (treasure, property, possession). Thank you for your time. ((This is a re-post of my answer to a message by Thomas Fernandez, not being altered.)) -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 You can't talk to a man with a shotgun in his hand. (Carole King) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: (SOT) Use of Re: in the subject line
Hello Jonathan! On Friday, November 22, 2002 at 8:49:18 PM you wrote: grins and apparently American's spell Cheese 'KRAFT'... ;) So it's no real wonder people are always confused ;) ghote = Shavian for ... The answer I will publish later, for those not familiar with his (another answer I provide later) famous fight against English spelling. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Das Vergleichen mit anderen ist das Ende des Glücks und der Anfang der Unzufriedenheit. (Sören Kierkegaard) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Student, Private, and Business versions
Hello Thomas! On Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 1:09:39 AM you wrote: Privacy has to be paid for? Privacy is only for the rich? No, you get privacy for the normal price (irrespective of the fact that we have determined that this matter has nothing to do with privacy). There is no extra fee for it. You could be in the German government - apply for Hans Eichel's job. Another point to be made: An e-mail message is mine, not RITLabs' or MS' or any other company's, therefore I am in charge of if and how a advertise my software. It's actually bad enough that the mail client is included within the headers at all. OE/OL users know what I mean, always been sneered at. In Usenet this is even worse, people always telling others about their bad apps. Is there any reason, beyond pillory, to announce a discount version of TB (or any other software) like this? Even marketing isn't a very goof argument, since the same effect could be achieved by just telling people X-Mailer: The Bat! (http://www.RITLabs.com). -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Wer von anderen nichts erwartet, darf sich nicht wundern, wenn er nichts erhält. (Aleks Papst) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Student, Private, and Business versions
Hello Sean! On Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 3:31:08 AM you wrote: The 'educational' line in the x-mailer header gives out information about me that some people would otherwise not know. It's not a huge deal It *is* a big issue, as marketing people now know enough about you to make you part of a qualified target group. It is something advertising agencies are trying to sell as a benefit to the customer for years now: You will only get those adverts (e-mail, banners, letters) you are interested in. That, BTW, is the main point behind harvesting addresses from newsgroups or mailing-lists. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 The two shortest books in the world? Very easy: *The Complete History of Italian Heroes* and *A Survey of German Humour*. (Derek Leveret) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Student, Private, and Business versions
Hello Thomas! On Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 8:24:39 AM you wrote: A special discount is given for those who are in the educational field *and* are not ashamed of it. If one of the two doesn't apply, why do you want to take advantage of a special discount that is only given when both conditions are met, i.e. does not apply to you? When did shame enter the equation? And since when has privacy anything to do with it? And who are you to tell me when I have to be ashamed? I am in advertising but have never been proud of it; the only reason I am not ashamed of it is that I joke about myself. I have a degree in English and American Studies, Sociology, Philosophy and have never been a big fan of university, particularly German ones, especially my own Alma Mater Hamburg - maybe the worst educational institute for a lot of fields (definitely not all, the medical, the physics, even the biology departments are quite good). But none of that has anything to do with privacy. The main point is that *I* decide what I want to give away and what not - nobody else. The argument you are bringing up reminds me a lot of the age old If you don't do anything wrong, you have nothing to fear by our new measures. This is so stupid I don't want to, but seemingly have to, point it out again. Just two examples where information gathering seemed perfectly harmless until times changed: 1. In Denmark you didn't have anything to fear in the 1930s when a survey was made to record all Jews in the country - rest assured, the intentions were really perfectly harmless. Guess what happened when Germany invaded. When the War ended not many Danish Jews were left. Have Jews really be ashamed of their religious roots? 2. Until the 7th December 1941 there wasn't a reason to be ashamed of Asian forefathers. After that you were likely to be interned just because you looked Japanese - even if you were a third generation US citizen of Chinese decent. John Milius, Oliver Stone and Steven Spielberg showed the Asian Hysteria of Americans quite funny in *1941*. With an ever-growing marketing/advertising industry keen on information about everyone with the slightest cent to spend I don't like the frivolous approach to Privacy you showed. Actually I fear information about me in the hands of private corporations much more than officials knowing something about me. How much is your percieved privacy issue worth to you? Privacy is a Human Right. There is no price tag. Except in Red China! -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 One thing about the past. It's likely to last. (Ogden Nash) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to use a different FROM address in a single account?
Hello maillisten! On Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 10:02:44 AM you wrote: Could I use templates to achieve what I'm trying to do? Make up a Quick Template with the following line %FROM='Your alternative address' where the part between the quotes should be changed to your address. You can now change the From address by inserting the QT (type the handle and press Ctrl+Space. Another way would be to set up different accounts for your various addresses. You will then have the addresses handy in the drop-down in the From field. You don't actually need to use these accounts, although you could also use them and filter mail from all accounts within TB to one. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 The universe we observe has precisely the properties we should expect if there is, at bottom, no design, no purpose, no evil and no good, nothing but blind, pitiless indifference. (Richard Dawkins) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Student, Private, and Business versions
Hello Jonathan! On Thursday, November 21, 2002 at 11:15:23 AM you wrote: Hmmm, I've never been very fond of the whole Human Right argument. To be honest it is fairly silly. Nature doesn't guarantee anything. Nothing to do with Nature - whatever that should mean. Nature is in the best sense a-moral. Ethical values stem solely from our existence. If you don't like Human Rights as a universal it's alright with me. I therefore decline you the right to privacy, security, freedom, life. You are now blacklisted and have to watch your back constantly if you think you have a right to live. My reasoning behind this is simple, since you explained that I have no natural rights to that you say everybody can decide for himself how to handle other people. I decided you are not worth living. Since someone surely will read this wrong, I add: You surely see how universal Human Rights have come about. It has something to do with protecting oneself (there'll always be someone stronger than me). All the abstract discourses in philosophy and religion will finally resolve to the simple (natural) realization that a Strongest will Survive world will not work. BTW, as usual so-called Social Darwinists (incl. sadly Herbert Spencer) misinterpreted Darwin's ideas. Darwin himself didn't like Spencer's adage Survival of the Fittest, which has been misinterpreted in its own way. Yes, altruism is natural. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Aim Low, Reach Your Goals, Avoid Disappointment. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: OT: Opera (was: Re: Opera 7, TheBat!, FAQ, DOM)
Hello mm! On Wednesday, November 20, 2002 at 1:29:50 AM you wrote: I've been using Opera for years and am currently stuck with 5.12 because I don't like the new one. But I went onto Opera's page after seeing the other posts here, (Opera had not sent me an upgrade notice and I'm a paid up 6.05 version customer even tho I don't actually use that version) and saw that there's no mention of an upgrade path Since 7 is a beta there cannot be an official upgrade notice. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 I learn each day what I need to know to do tomorrow's work. (Arnold Toynbee) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Student, Private, and Business versions
Hello Thomas! On Wednesday, November 20, 2002 at 5:45:11 AM you wrote: No, I am suggesting that they pay the normal price if they are concerned about this. Privacy has to be paid for? Privacy is only for the rich? As a professional cynic I like that ... specifically for Third World countries. Really, nice idea ... -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Tritt jemand anderen nicht auf die Füße, so steht er sich selbst im Weg. (Aleks Papst) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: X-Faces in TB?
Hello John! On Monday, November 18, 2002 at 10:46:35 PM you wrote: X-face is supported in several programs that are popular, including Becky! and the new Dialog, and in mail programs I regularly use like EdMax and Datula. The Bat! is one of those programs aimed at the kind of person who likes such neat features, 1. There is a lot in popular programmes I don't want to see, e.g. HTMl-mail. 2. You are wrong in assuming TB is aimed at gamers; it's target group is professionals (not just computer pros, but professionals in all aspects of life) rying to make one specific parts of their professional life easier. Not more colourful ... -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 America is the only nation in history which miraculously has gone from barbarism to degeneration without the usual interval of civilization. (Georges Clemenceau) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Opera 7, TheBat!, FAQ, DOM
Hello Paddy! On Tuesday, November 19, 2002 at 6:53:27 PM you wrote: I am sure Marck will be happy to hear that Opera 7.0(early beta) now renders the FAQ as intended. http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/tbfaq.html I am in contact with him privately about that. We will have to wait for the final to see if Opera at last has grown up ... in terms of MaArck's needs ... -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Assumptions are the mother of all screw ups. (Derek Leveret) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Opera 7, TheBat!, FAQ, DOM
Hello Richard! On Tuesday, November 19, 2002 at 7:02:01 PM you wrote: not if you don't untick Enable javascript it doesn't, or at least it doesn't with me :-( OK, rarely, but happened: You lost me completely in this sentence. A fivefold negative? I mean, double is hard enough ... BTW, I am not sure Marck already changed the FAQ proper since O7 is still in beta - and it isn't really that usable due to its very unfinished state. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Doing something with your own hands is *not* creativity; or masturbation would be an art everybody is excelling in. (Derek Leveret) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Opera 7, TheBat!, FAQ, DOM
Hello Richard! On Tuesday, November 19, 2002 at 7:49:04 PM you wrote: If the Enable javascript button *is* selected, the page doesn't load. How's that? ;-) OK, I just revisited again. First I had JS enabled and was identifying as Opera. What came up was the warning by Marck and the FAQ in Opera mode - as I expected. I then switched of JS and got a horrible page which told me I have to use a browser with JS - as expected. Conclusion: Marck hasn't yet changed the page for Opera 7. As I presumed. As I find correct. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Everybody loves a winner, but when you lose, you lose alone. (William Bell) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Opera 7, TheBat!, FAQ, DOM
Hello Luc! On Tuesday, November 19, 2002 at 8:16:55 PM you wrote: DOM level 2 should be supported now. Form Opera's support page: I know, I tested it for Marck on the weekend. I just meant that due to the early beta status of O7 Marck didn't change the site, yet. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Life isn't about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself. (George Bernard Shaw) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thread stealing (attempt to address the issues)
Hello Thomas! On Monday, November 18, 2002 at 4:36:08 AM you wrote: Actually, no. Actually, yes. If you have an AB template to fill in the value for the field automatically (I just have to put in TBU, TBO, TBB or TBT, the rest comes automatically). -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Wer Kritik übel nimmt, hat etwas zu verbergen. (Helmut schmidt) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Template (%CURSOR) problem
Hello Thomas! On Monday, November 18, 2002 at 4:39:47 AM you wrote: The cursor always goes into the TO field first. The %Cursor macro just states where it should go once you focus on the message body. Except when the To field's value is set automatically. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Remember the three R's: Respect for self; Respect for others; Responsibility for your actions. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: filtering problem
Hello Jos! On Monday, November 18, 2002 at 10:37:00 AM you wrote: in: Krung Thep Mahanakhon Amon Rattanakosin Mahinthara Ayuthaya Mahadilok Phop Noppharat Ratchathani Burirom Udomratchaniwet Mahasathan Amon Piman Awatan Sathit Sakkathattiya Witsanukam Prasit The city of angels, the great city, the residence of the Emerald Buddha, the impregnable city (of Ayutthaya) of God Indra, the grand capital of the world endowed with nine precious gems, the happy city, abounding in an enormous Royal Palace that resembles the heavenly abode where reigns the reincarnated god, a city given by Indra and built by Vishnukarn. Now, that tells me why the National Geographic didn't give the correct name for the town in question in its current edition ... -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Science is the art of the soluble. (Sir Peter Medawar) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: X-Faces in TB?
Hello Dejan! On Monday, November 18, 2002 at 6:21:55 PM you wrote: I was wondering; is it possible to have x-faces in The Bat? Not in the moment, hopefully not in the future. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Blessed are the censors; they shall inhibit the earth. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: random signature quotes
Hello Deborah! On Monday, November 18, 2002 at 6:59:12 PM you wrote: I would like to be able to insert random quotations in my signature. Add %WRAPPED='%COOKIE=drive:\path\file.txt' after your sig delimiter into your templates. Put a text file on any drive and path you want, it should held your favourite quotations each in a separate line. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Why is the man who invests all your hard earned money called a broker? Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Thread stealing (attempt to address the issues)
Hello Simon! On Sunday, November 17, 2002 at 5:46:49 PM you wrote: Using folder level templates for most things seems more coherent to me, and it also means of course that I can either simply highlight, in this case, my TBUDL inbox, or any message in my TBUDL inbox, and just hit F5 to start a new message based on the TBUDL folder template. Never had a problem doing it like this, or any cock ups. First of all, I don't have to think about where my focus is at all - using AB templates. TB is most of the time minimised to TrayIcon and I don't have to maximize it to see where I am. Secondly, whenever somebody writes he doesn't ever had a problem with folder templates I bet that within a week *it* happens to him - never lost in 2 and a half years. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Everybody loves a winner, but when you lose, you lose alone. (William Bell) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Virus testing
Hello 3w! On Saturday, November 16, 2002 at 8:09:24 AM you wrote: He said I should open a thread on fox.wikis.com (he's the creator of that site) so more people can see that there are other things than M$ to use in terms of mail. Well then let's do that. :-) Nice to hear. (I know you guys prefer names instead of nicknames, so I'll switch) Since when? -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Calling Things by their right name marks the beginning of Wisdom. Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Virus testing
Hello Marck! On Saturday, November 16, 2002 at 1:24:20 AM you wrote: AV scanner that real-time scan non-malicious temp files in this way are a PITA for TB. Sadly with some AV scanners real-time scanning becomes the standard. I just purchased the newest from F-Secure (now with three scan engines) for my XP machine (the old 4.x doesn't work here anymore). A lot of flexibility has gone from it in favour of real-time scanning. Since this new notebook is fast enough and not at all hurt by the good old resource trouble I let it go - or I have to think of disabling the real-time scanner every time I load F-Secure (at start-up of Windows), the option not to is not sticky. I mailed F-Secure about developing a plug-in for TB, BTW. As the engines used are partially already supported, I think, (AVP, F-Prot), there shouldn't be a big problem. Let's see what happens ... -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Life isn't about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself. (George Bernard Shaw) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Reply questions
Hello Tom! On Saturday, November 16, 2002 at 3:41:59 AM you wrote: Is this correct, or am I missing something (apart from the obvious grin)? Sounds completely correct; HTML doesn't have the hard line breaks as plain text has in e-mail (with the exception of OL and OE). -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Lebe inkonsistent! (D.A. Wien) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Wrapping quotes in reply
Hello Chris! On Saturday, November 16, 2002 at 10:45:00 AM you wrote: Is there something I've missed ? How many paragraphs are in the original message, more than one? Is part of the quote wrapped in your reply? The %WRAPPED macro can only wrap the *first* paragraph, it will not do so for subsequents. -- Dierk Haasis The Bat 1.62/Beta6 on Windows XP 5.1 2600Service Pack 1 Artificial Intelligence is no match for Natural Stupidity. (Derek Leveret) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
