GMX mangling cutmarks (Was: Re: 9.2.1 - final MSI / Toolbar customisations lost?)

2020-07-17 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Sunday 5 July 2020 at 2:09:20 AM, in
, Thomas Fernandez wrote:-



> GMX cuts it off during transit. This was discussed
> earlier.

> --

Did you ever complain to GMX? 

I have a GMX account but I don't use it for mailing lists so had not 
noticed they started mangling cutmarks. Anyway, I complained to GMX a 
couple of weeks ago and today they tell me it's not something that 
will change soon because I am the only one who has reported it.

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Re: v 9.2.2?

2020-07-14 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Tuesday 14 July 2020 at 9:08:02 PM, in
, Susanne wrote:-


> has anyone installed this version yet?
> Is the toolbar customization problem fixed?  

My customisation is "show button captions" and moving the "Send +
Check for All" button to just after "Get New Mail". I still have to
set "show button captions" each time I restart TB! but the "Send +
Check for All" button stays where I put it. YMMV. Somebody on TBBETA
reported customising the antispamsniper toolbar is still not sticky.

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Re: Why is TB downloading all server mail and not just new messages?

2020-07-14 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Tuesday 14 July 2020 at 8:32:38 AM, in
, Achdut18 wrote:-


> Unfortunately, becasue I am not a member of the beta
> group, your
> link would not work for me.  I had to log in to read
> what the link
> linked to and my regular Ritlabs log in credentials
> would not work. 

You can register on the bug tracker without joining the beta group.

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Re: Odd Behavior v9.2.1

2020-07-08 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Wednesday 8 July 2020 at 6:46:37 PM, in
, MAU wrote:-


> I don't know if it is just you or not. It is not a
> general problem, at
> least I have not seen it here.  


I find that in v 9.2.1 my menu customisation is lost each time I
restart TB!. (My customisation is "show button captions" and moving
the "Send + Check for All" button to just after "Get New Mail".)


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Re: Collapse all threads

2020-07-04 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Saturday 4 July 2020 at 4:01:18 AM, in
, Andrew Savchenko wrote:-


> Surely there is a button to collapse all threads...
> Somewhere. I have 
> used "menu navigator", but so far was unable to find
> one. Any hints?  

I don't know about a button but the keyboard shortcut CTRL*
expands/collapses all threads when the focus is in the message list.
For a single thread, it's CTRL+ to expand and CTRL- to collapse.

And "menu navigator" doesn't appear if I try from a "separate message
viewer" folder window.

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Re: The Bat! v9.2.1

2020-07-02 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Wednesday 1 July 2020 at 5:29:02 PM, in
, Stefan Tanurkov via TBUDL
wrote:-


> Dear All,

> Just wanted to let you know that version 9.2.1  is
> now officially available :-)

> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_32_9-2-1.msi
> https://www.ritlabs.com/download/files3/the_bat/thebat_64_9-2-1.msi

Just to let you know that clicking Help | Check for Update from The
Bat! Version 9.1.18 (64-bit) still gets the reply "Your version of The
Bat! is most current."

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Re: Account tree font

2020-06-21 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Sunday 21 June 2020 at 4:09:27 AM, in
, Thomas Fernandez wrote:-


> Go to: Options / Preferences / Message List / Fonts.

Also, colour groups can define a font as well 
as a colour.

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Re: Are Roguemoticons still active?

2020-06-10 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Wednesday 10 June 2020 at 10:40:45 AM, in
, Marck Pearlstone
wrote:-


> I  wouldn't  have  thought so. But I would think that
> he might want an
> incentive  to  invest the time into creating a
> pass-on-able version of
> the code and data. It's not trivial!  


That side of it is moot unless TB! still supports Roguemoticons.  

Under X:\Program Files\The Bat!\Images, I still have the "rogues.msl"
file and the "rogues" folder containing the Roguemoticon image files. In
the context menu when right-clicking in the header pane of the message
viewer, I still have the option selected to "Display contact's photo"
(and not the option to "Prefer photo from Address Book". But I don't
see the Roguemoticon picture in the message header when I display an
email that has a valid X-Rogue header. This has been the case for over
three years, since TB! Version 7.4.16 or earlier.

Has the required location for the "rogues.msl" file and the
Roguemoticon image files changed?

Is there another option that I need to set?

Or does TB! simply not support Roguemoticons any more?


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Re: Are Roguemoticons still active?

2020-06-09 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Tuesday 9 June 2020 at 9:35:53 AM, in
, Marck Pearlstone
wrote:-



>> On  Sunday,  02 March 2008 at 12:13

The server has worked some of the time since then as it sent me a
handful of "Someone new has joined or updated their image on
Roguemoticons" emails between 2009 and 2013.

Discussion on a TBUDL thread from November 2013 (Subject:
Roguemoticons/Smileys) says TB! was displaying the Roguemoticon
images.

In April 2017 I posted that I no longer see the Roguemoticon images
displayed in the message header; nobody posted to confirm or differ. I
posted again in March 2019 and four people replied that they had
also not seen the Roguemoticon images displayed for a long time - one
person said several years.


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Re: Are Roguemoticons still active?

2020-06-08 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Monday 8 June 2020 at 6:22:33 PM, in
, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:-


> So you're no longer getting the "internal server error"?  

The main point is I don't see the Roguemoticon images any more in the
message header when viewing messages. The only images I now see in the 
message header are from address book entries.

A secondary point is the server that hosted the Roguemoticon images,
and emailed updates when an image was added or deleted, seems to not
be performing as it used to. (In additiaddition, a filter used to pull the
new image from the server and update my local rogues.msl file if a
message came in with un unrecognised handle in the X-Rogues header.)


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Re: Are Roguemoticons still active?

2020-06-08 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Monday 8 June 2020 at 3:50:55 PM, in
, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:-

> FWIW, the link you posted takes me to the PCWIZE.COM
> WELCOME screen.  


That's right. The title now just says "Welcome to" without
"Roguemoticons" on the end; most of the page is still the same.
Probably better to look at one of the snapshots archived at Way Back
Machine.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160403233201/http://pcwize.com/thebat/

A few of us on this list are still using an X-Rogue: header

  Marck Pearlstone
  Mark Partous
  MAU
  MFPA (me!)
  Peter Meyns
  Thomas Fernandez

But I'm not convinced that it still does anything.

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Are Roguemoticons still active?

2020-06-07 Thread MFPA

Hi,

Are Roguemoticons still active?

I still have the rogues.msl file and the Rogues images folder in place 
under Program Files\The Bat!\Images. But I don't see the images any 
more in the message header when viewing messages, apart from a few 
people for whom I have a photo in an address book entry. 

I have not received any email notifications that "Someone new has
joined or updated their image on Roguemoticons" since November 2013. I 
just tried logging on at http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/ and it told 
me:-

 Internal Server Error

 The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and
 was unable to complete your request.

 Please contact the server administrator, and inform them of the
 time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that
 may have caused the error.

 More information about this error may be available in the server
 error log.
 
I also have an incoming message filter called catch_rogue that I 
vaguely recall was something to do with picking up Roguemoticons that 
were not already on my machine. 

 TB! Message Filter 
beginFilter
UID: [02B2FF90.01CEE96F.230962BE.141169BB]
Name: catch_rogue
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`7`X-Rogue`5`.\0D\0A}
ExportMessage FmtText filename 
I:\5CThe\20Bat!\5CProtocol_Logging\5CThe_Bat!_roguesfiltr.log filenamerelative 
%WDIR%\5CProtocol_Logging\5CThe_Bat!_roguesfiltr.log template 
%_rogue\3D\22%OHEADER(X-Rogue)\22%-\0D\0A%_roguesmsl\3D\22%PROGRAMDIR\5Cimages\5Crogues.msl\22%-\0D\0A%_allrogues\3D\22%PUT\3D\27%_roguesmsl\27\22%-\0D\0A%IF:~%SETPATTREGEXP\3D\22%_rogue\22%-\0D\0A%REGEXPMATCH(%_allrogues)~\3D~~:~\0D\0A%DATE\20%TIME\0D\0A%XMP_UrlDldFile(\22http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/getrogue.php?id\3D%_rogue\22,%-\0D\0A\22%XMP_TempDir%-rogue\22)%-\0D\0A%_path\3D\22%SETPATTREGEXP\3D\27URL\5C:\5Cs(.*?)[\5Cs\5Cn]\27%REGEXPMATCH\3D\27%PUT\3D`%XMP_TempDir%-rogue`\27\22%-\0D\0A%_filename\3D\22%SETPATTREGEXP\3D\27.*\5C/(.*?)$\27%REGEXPMATCH(%_path)\22%-\0D\0A%IF:#%_path#<>##:#\0D\0A%_path\0D\0A%_filename\0D\0A%IF:`%XMP_UrlDldFile(\22%_path\22,%-\0D\0A\22%PROGRAMDIR\5Cimages\5Crogues\5C%_filename\22)%-\0D\0A`<>`1`:`%-\0D\0A\20ERROR!\20File\20not\20downloaded!\0D\0A`:`%XMP_FileAddLn(\27%_roguesmsl\27,%-\0D\0A\27Smiley\20\3D\20\22.\5Crogues\5C%_filename\22,\200,\20\22%_rogue\22\27)`%-\0D\0A#:#%-\0D\0AError!\20%_rogue\20has\20no\20picture\20on\20server.\0D\0A#%XMP_FileDel(\22%XMP_TempDir%-rogue\22)%-\0D\0A~%-
IsContinue
IsActive
IsCheckRule
Ignore
Hotkey 24658
endFilter
 
 
The file "The_Bat!_roguesfiltr.log" contains mainly entries like- 

07 June 2020 12:44
Error!  has no picture on server. 


Is it time, after nearly 16 years, to retire my "X-Rogue" header?

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Re: Forwarding Filter

2020-06-06 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Friday 5 June 2020 at 6:26:22 PM, in
, Susanne wrote:-


> Hello,

> Friday, June 5, 2020, 10:18:03 AM, MFPA wrote:

>> Are you looking at the log for the account the
>> messages were moved 
>> FROM, or the log for the account where they ended up?

> The one it's sent from.
> But none of my account logs show received message info.

I just noticed that my account logs are also not showing filter
actions, except when I re-filter. Try selecting the message in the
message list, then clicking "folder" at the top of the screen, then
clicking "Re-filter", then select "incoming mail", "log filtering
results", and "Re-filter selected messages only", then clicking "OK".


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Re: Forwarding Filter

2020-06-05 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Friday 5 June 2020 at 5:25:41 PM, in
, Susanne wrote:-


> Strangely, I only see messages I sent logged in the 
> account log. And messages deleted by a filter. Is 
> there something I have to change in the settings?

Are you looking at the log for the account the messages were moved 
FROM, or the log for the account where they ended up?


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Re: Change "From" field under a single account

2020-05-20 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Wednesday 20 May 2020 at 1:41:45 PM, in
, Andrew Savchenko wrote:-


> Appreciate the idea, but the 1st sentence of my
> message was: "How can I
> change 'From' field under a single account?"

I have done this in a couple of cases: configure an additional
"account" within The Bat! using the same sending credentials as the
main "account" at that domain. As far as the SMTP server is concerned
it's the same account. No incoming server details needed as this
"account" will not collect mail from the server.


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Re: Change "From" field under a single account

2020-05-19 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Monday 18 May 2020 at 12:23:23 PM, in
, Andrew Savchenko wrote:-


> Hello,

> How can I change "From" field under a single account?

Type in the "from" field of the message editor.



> Is there a way to add most used addresses so they
> show in the drop-down
> list?

One way is to set up "accounts" in The Bat! for the most-used sending
addresses.



> And what about "Redirect" function? Its window has no
> option to edit
> "From" at all.  

When you redirect a message, the From address is still the original
sender. You may find your outgoing mail server doesn't accept
redirected messages. 

If the From address is changed to your address, you are forwarding the
message instead of redirecting it.

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Re: Header field larger or smaller than X

2020-05-19 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Monday 18 May 2020 at 2:02:10 AM, in
, Andrew Savchenko wrote:-


> Excuse me, how is this relevant to the question asked?

The original message, asking for a way to test if the value of a
header field was larger or smaller than X, didn't give a context for
where you wanted to perform that test. My reply signposted a way to do
it with Macros which can be used, for example, in a reply or forward
template. It transpires you were looking for a way to do it in message
filters.

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Re: Header field larger or smaller than X

2020-05-17 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Saturday 16 May 2020 at 11:41:35 AM, in
, Andrew Savchenko wrote:-



> Could you please clarify? Would you use it via
> "matches all as RegExp"
> selector?

I was thinking of the macros you use in message templates, etc.

Try an internet search for: regex "number greater than"

Or if the header field is a spam score, see if the tool can prefix the
subject with a string (or put the string in a custom header) and match
that string in your filter.

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Re: Header field larger or smaller than X

2020-05-15 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Thursday 14 May 2020 at 12:34:40 PM, in
, Andrew Savchenko wrote:-


> Hello,

> Is there a way to test if header field is greater or
> smaller than "X"?

If you mean the value of a specific header field is greater or smaller 
than "X", maybe the %IF or %IFN macro?


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Re: Future of TB* mailing lists

2020-05-13 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Sunday 10 May 2020 at 2:51:30 PM, in
, Andrew Savchenko wrote:-


> groups.io:
> - "your own domain" is a $200/month option.

I would think most people with a mailing list at groups.io would use 
the free options, similar to hosting a group at yahoo but they just 
seem to work better.


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Re: Future of TB* mailing lists

2020-05-10 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Sunday 10 May 2020 at 3:06:11 AM, in
, Andrew Savchenko wrote:-


> * Increase size limits for attachments.

Sounds sensible.


> * Remove or, at very least, update "current version"
> footer.

I would vote to keep a footer informing of the current version and 
linking to info about the other TB* mailing lists. I think the FAQ 
linked from that info page has not been updated since I first started 
using TB! over 15 years ago.


> * Consider merging TDUDL/TBBETA into one.

Would that lead to more help for ordinary users' TB! issues? Or would
their messages simply get lost among all the beta testers' messages?
It would certainly be massively increased traffic compared to the
current TBUDL, and most TBBETA traffic is likely not relevant to the
needs of most current TBUDL users.


> * Move mailing lists homepage to a separate domain.

Why do they need their own domain? They are perfectly fine where Marck
currently hosts them at silverstones.com. And many mailing lists are
perfectly fine at one of the mailing list hosts such as groups.io, 
etc.


> * Modernise lists website, enable HTTPs.

Silverstones.com does have HTTPS, with a self-signed certificate.


> * Collate available TheBat! documentation / FAQs / Tips.

I thought that had been done a few years back at something called The 
Bat User Documentation Project (TBUDP) but I can't find a link at the 
moment.


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Re: TMP files

2020-04-28 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Tuesday 28 April 2020 at 3:34:01 PM, in
, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:-


> I just noticed my wife's laptop HDD is almost full. I
> ran WinDerStat to get a
> visual representation of the contents of her HDD. The
> results showed that at
> least a quarter of the HDD space is taken up by .tmp
> files, all in TB's folders.

Wow! Is it a downloading issue? Maybe the anti-virus detecting an
issue in the .tmp files and denying TB! access to them? (I think TB! 
creates a .tmp file for each incoming message and deletes the .tmp 
file when the message has been fully received (and similar for 
messages imported), but if something interrupts the process the .tmp 
file may not be deleted.)


> Can I simply select all of TB's .tmp files and delete
> them?  

Probably.


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Re: Incorrect time stamps in *some* folders

2020-04-24 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Friday 24 April 2020 at 2:38:54 AM, in
, Melissa Reese wrote:-


> In my main account, I have "inbox" and "sent" folders
> for various
> individuals.  I sent a few emails to one particular
> person today, and
> in the "created" column, they're all listed as having
> been sent on 1
> January, 1970.

I don't recall seeing this on messages in my sent folders, but have 
sometimes seen 1 January 1970 and found the message was missing the 
Date header. (I thought the server was supposed to add this if it was 
missing.)

I've also seen dates early enough to be obviously wrong, and checked 
the message headers to find it actually does say that date.

And I've seen anomalous "received" dates on imported messages. 

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Re: Eek! Did I really lose--forever--all emails in my IMAP Inbox?

2020-04-22 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Tuesday 21 April 2020 at 8:10:05 PM, in
, Melissa Reese wrote:-


> Could you please let me know where to
> set this up in
> the options? Thanks!

I was thinking of filters in the Sorting Office when I wrote that
suggestion. Something like condition: any message; action: copy to a
folder.

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Re: Eek! Did I really lose--forever--all emails in my IMAP Inbox?

2020-04-22 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Wednesday 22 April 2020 at 6:19:21 AM, in
, Thomas Fernandez wrote:-


> I could, but that's not how I work. I BCC all
> messages to myself.
> Different folks, different strokes.

Do you not feel the need to keep a local messagebase of the incoming
messages to IMAP accounts?

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Re: Eek! Did I really lose--forever--all emails in my IMAP Inbox?

2020-04-21 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Tuesday 21 April 2020 at 1:13:38 AM, in
, Thomas Fernandez wrote:-


> Besides, Exchange uses a proprietary protocol, and
> TheBat has no native
> support for it (any more).

Has support been removed recently? My "Create New Account" wizard in
TB! v8.8.2.5 still has the option of "MAPI(Microsoft Exchange)", the
other two options being "Auto" and "IMAP or POP".

> I'm back to POP only. However, there are
> some people on
> this list who prefer IMAP.

Couldn't you have "best of both" by using IMAP but having TB! copy all
messages to a local archive folder? That way, you could have the local
message store but still access all of your email from multiple devices
using a proper mail client. Or am I missing something?


> --

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Re: move message to spam folder

2020-04-14 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Tuesday 14 April 2020 at 10:37:58 AM, in
,
ml-respo...@treadstone79.de wrote:-


> Hi,

> is there a way to manually move a message to the spam
> folder using a 
> quick button?

You could do something with Deletion and Alternative Deletion settings
in Account Properties. Or you could probably do it with a common
filter that's only executed by pressing a hotkey combination.


> (The
> button "Mark as Junk" 
> can't be used without a plugin.)

(You could perhaps find a suitable plugin to install.)


> Ideally, this function should choose the spam folder
> of the correct
> account as well: 

If using a filter, the filter action would be something like Move to
the folder ..\Spam


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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-14 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Tuesday 14 April 2020 at 12:43:19 PM, in
, Thomas Fernandez wrote:-


> There will have been a reason for that, don't you think?

Isn't the Beta usually taken down when Ritlabs issues a new Beta 
or release version?

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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-13 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Monday 13 April 2020 at 2:41:35 PM, in
, MFPA wrote:-


> Hi

Never mind what else I wrote. I have a gmail account I rarely use. I 
checked incoming mail and got the "certificate cannot be used for this 
purpose" error message.

The solution that has worked for me for the last ten minutes is to use 
the command line parameter /tls_disable_ecdhe as suggested at 
https://support.google.com/mail/thread/38537691?hl=en#recommended-answers. 
I'll just have to remember to remove the command line parameter when I 
migrate to a TB! version 9.1910 or higher.


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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-13 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Sunday 12 April 2020 at 3:39:44 AM, in
, Thomas Fernandez wrote:-



> Interesting, because my error message mentions avast:

>>[...]
>>12-Apr-20, 09:31:04: FETCH - Issuer: generated by
>>avast! antivirus for SSL/TLS scanning, avast! Web/Mail
>>Shield, avast! Web/Mail Shield Root.

Avast inserts itself as a proxy or "man in the middle" to be able to
scan the traffic on SSL/TLS/HTTPS connections. That's why the
certificate says "generated by avast! antivirus for SSL/TLS scanning".
That certificate is only used to encrypt the connection from Avast to
The Bat!. A quick web search on "antivirus tls scanning" suggests that
AVG and Kapersky do it this way as well

Do you get the same if, under Options | S/MIME and TLS..., you tell
The Bat! to use Microsoft CryptoAPI (Windows Certificate Store)
instead of Internal Implementation (The Bat! Address Book)?

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Re: Email Filter question

2020-01-20 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Sunday 19 January 2020 at 8:36:15 PM, in
, Marck Pearlstone
wrote:-



> It didn't cater for those in both groups.  

Ah, thanks. I couldn't see that for looking. I started with a more
complicated solution and evidently simplified it too far; in my mind I
still had that covered. (-:


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Re: Email Filter question

2020-01-19 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Saturday 18 January 2020 at 9:33:55 AM, in
, Marck Pearlstone
wrote:-


> Having  seen  the other answers, I note that the
> actual working answer
> hasn't been presented, so I'll give it a go.

Out of interest, in what circumstance would my answer not work?

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Re: Email Filter question

2020-01-16 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Thursday 16 January 2020 at 8:16:41 PM, in
, Susanne wrote:-


>   Now, a few people have fallen out with each other,
> and the group
> is splitting into two, with some of the same people
> being in both
> groups, and others just in one or the other.

If you are in both groups and haven't fallen out with anybody, easiest
would be to ignore the split and treat it as still one group.



>   How can I filter the messages into two folders,
> without getting mix-ups?

I would think mix-ups are inevitable with or without automatic 
filtering. If somebody else in the group mixes up, the message they 
send might trigger the wrong filter when it gets to you.



>   Is it even possible?  

There are several ways this could be achieved. Here's a suggestion,
which I have not tested.

Filter_1 
two conditions:- 
a - the sender is any address in the wider group
b - the recipient contains all (or any) of the addresses that are
only in SubGroup_1  
Action - move all messages to the SubGroup_1 folder. 
 


Filter_2 
two conditions:- 
a - the sender is any address in the wider group
b - the recipient contains all (or any) of the addresses that are
only in SubGroup_2  
Action - move all messages to the SubGroup_2 folder.


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Re: Automatically stretch columns in the message list

2019-10-05 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Friday 4 October 2019 at 12:58:02 AM, in
, Andrew Savchenko wrote:-


> Good to know... Here is the same image:
> https://i.imgur.com/nYgAZfH.png

If it's always about the same amount of space, you could alter the 
column widths (or add extra columns to the display).

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Re: Automatically stretch columns in the message list

2019-10-03 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Tuesday 1 October 2019 at 2:38:02 PM, in
, Andrew Savchenko wrote:-


> Hello,

> Is there a way to make column(s) automatically fill
> the horizontal
> space of the message list? 

Not that I know of.



> Please see the screenshot
> attached.  

I'm not sure the list allows attachments. None received here.


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Re: CTRL+Z

2019-09-12 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Thursday 12 September 2019 at 5:58:43 PM, in
, MAU wrote:-


> Right,  but  Ctrl+Z  is  actually and generally an
> "Undo" last action.
> What  if you delete several messages and after a few
> minutes, or hours
> or  days,  you  realize you erroneously deleted
> one/some of them. What
> should  Ctrl+Z do then? 

I can't answer for Andrew but immediately after selecting several
messages at once and deleting them together, I would expect Ctrl+Z to
restore them all.

Immediately after deleting several messages one at a time, I would
expect Ctrl+Z to restore the last one deleted, then another Ctrl+Z to
restore the previous one deleted, and so on until no further actions
are stored to undo.


> But, even after a restart,
> you can browse your
> deleted messages and select the one(s) you want to
> undelete.  

Depending on your "Compact folders on exit" and "empty trash folder on 
exit" settings.

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Re: CTRL+Z

2019-09-11 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Tuesday 10 September 2019 at 11:44:01 AM, in
, Andrew Savchenko wrote:-


> Hi,

> Is that something weird on my end or TheBat! does not
> support CTRL+Z 
> for deleted messages?


The browse deleted messages and undelete function is neat. But not so 
intuitive as a simple CTRL+Z.

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Re: Sig cutoff

2019-09-09 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Monday 9 September 2019 at 1:15:16 AM, in
, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:-


> Interesting. As you can see it didn't activate in my
> reply either.  

Your cut mark in the message to which I am replying worked. 

If there is more than one cut mark in a message, only the last one 
works. And if a cut mark is quoted from a previous message, the quote 
prefix means it is no longer a valid cut mark as the two dashes and 
single space are not the only characters on the line.

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Re: Sig cutoff

2019-09-08 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Wednesday 4 September 2019 at 3:47:41 AM, in
, Chris Wilson wrote:-



> I  checked before posting this, delimiter is present,
> two dashes and a
> space.

> -- 

> Chris Wilson

Received with the delimiter intact. But for some reason it hasn't 
activated in my reply.

I thought about looking for clues in the message source but was 
prevented by Content-Transfer-Encoding: base64.


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Re: Log entry definition

2019-08-30 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Tuesday 27 August 2019 at 10:53:17 PM, in
, MFPA wrote:-


> I also notice %THEBATVERSION macro fails to return
> the "(64-bit)"
> suffix. I just reported this at 
> https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1809.  


It seems this was already addressed. There is now 
%THEBATVERSION(WITHBITS) and several other variants. See Max's reply 
to https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1809.  

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Re: Log entry definition

2019-08-28 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Wednesday 28 August 2019 at 12:20:10 AM, in
, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:-


> Hmmm, interesting. When I open a command window the
> first line says "Microsoft
> Windows [Version 10.0.17134.950]". The only
> difference is the last three
> numbers.

My Windows did a major update this morning and is now
Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.18362.295].



> The only odd thing I
> see is your use of the "percent,dash" in two places
> without anything following
> it. That apparently made the difference but I don't
> see how unless "percent,dash"
> is just undocumented.

In the help file's full alphabetic list of macros, "-" is the first on
the list. You use it to create line breaks in the template without
creating the corresponding line breaks in the message (which I do to
make my templates easier to read). No idea why it should make any
difference to the output from executing the windows version macros,
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Re: Moving TB! and also getting a legacy copy download?

2019-08-27 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Tuesday 27 August 2019 at 6:29:59 PM, in
, Chris Wilson wrote:-

> I
> can't get back my Folder View modes and my Colour
> Groups, would anyone
> know  which  files I need to grab from the old
> installation to copy to
> the  new  one?  

My Colour Groups seem to be defined in "COLORS.INI" in my mail folder.
And I couldn't swear to it but the View Modes might be in "CONFIG.CDB"


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Re: Log entry definition

2019-08-27 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Monday 26 August 2019 at 5:15:46 PM, in
, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:-


> I just noticed that one of the macros in my sig no
> longer works. You'll see that
> none of the "Windows" macros returns the actual
> version number which is 10. Any thoughts?

My first thought is that I didn't realise "Windows 10" was an actual
version number, rather than a marketing name like Windows
95/98/2000/ME/XP/Vista/7/8. However, when I open a command window the
first line says:- 
  Microsoft Windows [Version 10.0.17134.885]

This seems to match the string "Windows 10.0 Build 17134" in my
signature, so at least some of the Windows version macros work in TB!
v8.8.2.5 (BETA)(64-bit). My template has %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %-
%WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION Build %- %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER
%WINDOWSCSDVERSION%-. The last one of those macros seems to return
nothing, where I would have expected 885.

I also notice %THEBATVERSION macro fails to return the "(64-bit)"
suffix. I just reported this at 
https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1809.


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Re: Is TBUDL using a new hosting domain?

2019-08-27 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Monday 26 August 2019 at 11:24:49 AM, in
, Marck Pearlstone
wrote:-

> I have now corrected the "preferred domain" setting
> so this should now
> be corrected.  

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Re: TheBat! development pace, RitLabs support, Bugs.

2019-08-02 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Tuesday 30 July 2019 at 12:54:58 PM, in
, Andrew Savchenko wrote:-


> However, certain issues make me wonder about
> priorities. Some examples:

[snipped]

Some issues reported at https://bt.ritlabs.com are attended to
quickly, others go unresolved and/or unacknowledged for months or 
years. Some are resolved without ever being acknowledged.



> 1. Is there a model of community engagement and some
> transparency to
> the development process? 

Developers have been known to red and reply on this list from time to 
time. There is also the TBBETA mailing list. 
https://web3.networkexchange.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/tbbeta

Archives at https://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com/ 



> 2. Does anyones have a reliable communication channel
> with the office
> in Chisinau?

I used  in February 2019 to report a 
blocked login for the forum and the support centre on the ritlabs.com 
website. I sent my email at lunchtime on a Friday and the reply was 
sent on the Tuesday morning from Alexander Petrari.



> Otherwise, safer
> bet would be to go with the OpenSource solutions
> (Claws, Thunderbird,
> etc) where community is active, developers are within
> the reach and
> fixing the bug can be achieved by either helping
> others or submitting
> a pull request by oneself.

Unfortunately, none of the open-source email solutions that I have 
tried hold a candle to The Bat!.

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Re: encrypting messages

2019-06-04 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Tuesday 4 June 2019 at 3:08:56 AM, in
, Avram Sacks wrote:-


> What is S/MIME?
> What is OpenPGP?

They are standards for signing and encrypting.

In both cases you generate a key or certificate. Sometimes called a
key pair because it actually consists of a public part you share and a 
private part you keep safe.

S/MIME uses Certificate Authorities (CA). You send them your
certificate to sign as certificates that are only self-signed are not
generally trusted. The CA may charge for the service and may carry out 
identity checks. It is likely a CA that doesn't charge will just check 
you can receive email at the address stated on the certificate.

OpenPGP uses a "web of trust" where users can sign each other's keys.



> Currently the bar reads "S/MIME + OpenPGP (auto)"

That means that S/MIME and OpenPGP are both enabled and that PGP/MIME
is set to "Auto". You can change these settings from the context menu
that appears if you click that part of the status bar or select
Privacy from the menu at the top.


> What is happening automatically?

If you are not actually signing or encrypting with an OpenPGP
implementation, nothing.

I think setting PGP/MIME to "Auto" allows TB! to automatically choose
which method of OpenPGP to use, inline or PGP/MIME. This relates to
how the signed or message is structured within the message source, and
to whether the PGP begin/end lines and signature are concealed or
visible in the message text. I don't recall seeing a description of 
how TB! makes this decision.



> There are also a picture of a locak and a green "Sign when
> complete" button to the right of the S/MIME + Open PGP (auto) bar.   What do 
> those buttons do?

You can select "Sign when Completed" or "Encrypt when completed". 

If you have a private key (also called a certificate) linked to your
email address, you can sign outgoing messages. If you have a public
key (certificate) linked to the recipient's email address, you can
encrypt the message you are sending.



> If I went to send an encrypted message to a client.  What are the
> steps that would permit me to do that?

> I apologize, in advance, if this is discussed in a help file, but I
> could not find a coherent discussion.

Did you try, under Privacy and Security, The section called OpenPGP or
the section called S/MIME? They are not the clearest but are worth a
read. And maybe do a little research on the internet. Then come back
with more specific questions.


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Re: encrypting messages

2019-05-24 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Wednesday 22 May 2019 at 6:59:30 AM, in
, Avram Sacks wrote:-


> For what it is worth, the bar at the bottom of the
> message window,
> on the far right reads "S/MIME + OpenPGP (auto)."   
> Does this have
> anything to do with what I want to do?  

Yes.

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Re: Virtual folder properties - Count in upper level

2019-05-19 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Sunday 19 May 2019 at 6:27:58 PM, in
, MAU wrote:-

> Just tried it. When a folder has some sub-folders,
> the counts Unread
> an Total in the parent folder will show in
> parenthesis the
> corresponding counts of the sub-folders, 

I see that in ordinary folders.



> except VFs
> if they don't have
> the option "Count in upper level" selected.  

No wonder I can't see any difference. I only have three virtual
folders and their parent is "< Root Folder >", so there is no "upper 
level".

Thank you for clearing that up for me.

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Virtual folder properties - Count in upper level

2019-05-18 Thread MFPA
Hi

For virtual folders, in the properties dialog the Filter tab has a 
checkbox called "Count in upper level". What does this do? I can't see 
what effect it has, although I don't know what to look for.


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Re: From address in message list

2019-05-17 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Friday 17 May 2019 at 5:21:57 PM, in
, Susanne wrote:-


> I'm still a member on a few yahoo groups, and up
> until recently,


> under the "From" column in the message list window,
> the name of the actual poster was shown.

> Now, it only lists the yahoogroup address there. The
> real posters
> name is still on the header, once I look
> at the message. 

This problem was introduced in TB! v8.2 in January 2018 [0].

 we have improved The Bat! to made the following checks in the
 display name part of an address: if it contains an "@" character
 or any control character (such as "carriage return", "line feed"
 or "null" characters), then such a name part is discarded, and
 the user sees real email address rather than a fake one put to
 the sender’s name part.

Yahoogroups messages provide the From header in the format "Name email
address [group name]"  Is there a way to change something in
> the settings
> to get that name shown again in the message list?  

Unfortunately not. It's an annoying nannying feature with no way to 
deactivate it. You could always persuade the groups to move from yahoo 
to a group provider that has a more sane way of providing the From 
header.

As well as yahoogroups, it affects mail forwarded from 
Spamgourmet addresses, where the From header should be
"sender name - sender email address" . 

I reported it on Ritlabs Issue Tracker [1] in February 2018. Aswell as
not fixing it, so far the developers have failed to acknowledge it.


[0] https://www.ritlabs.com/en/news/7059/

[1] https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1435

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Re: Move Templates

2019-04-28 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Friday 26 April 2019 at 6:51:03 PM, in
, Richard Newman wrote:-


>   I'm changing my primary email account to a new one.
> Is there a
> way to move Templates from one account to another? (I
> understand
> sharing but I want to get rid of the account where
> the templates were originally created.

I don't know of a way other than copy/paste. 

Or you could change the address on your primary account in TB! to the
new email address.

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Is there a way to log the interaction between The Bat! and GnuPG?

2019-04-18 Thread MFPA
Hi


Is there a way to log the interaction between The Bat! and GnuPG for 
debugging purposes? 

TB! fails to decrypt some of the encrypted messages I receive, giving 
as it's error message a portion of GnuPG's output (but not the part 
saying what went wrong). If use GnuPG on the command line and 
copy in the text from the body of the encrypted message, the message 
is decrypted without error.


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Re: Toolbar icon sizes

2019-03-24 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Saturday 23 March 2019 at 4:45:25 PM, in
, Susanne wrote:-


>   is there a way to make the toolbar icons smaller,
> but not super tiny?
>   So far, I've only found the option to use "menu
> icons", which makes them really, really small.  


I have "toolbar icons" or "menu icons" options, but switching between 
the two makes no noticeable difference.


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Re: No more Gmail?

2019-03-23 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Thursday 21 March 2019 at 10:40:35 PM, in
, Paul F. Siebern wrote:-


> I just got this message from Google Accounts:

One of my email accounts is gmail and I have received no such 
notification.


> So that means I can no longer use my Gmail accounts
> with The Bat! ?

Aslius wrote in the TBBETA mailing list [0]:

 "Don't worry, we updated TheBat! access and it will work 
 with GMail after 31 of March." 

   and

 "All existing versions of TheBat! which are work with 
 Gmail for the moment - will work after end of month 
 without any actions from user's site. No need to do any 
 action or update application. TheBat is being reverified 
 by Google."

   So, no reason for panic at the moment! 


[0] Thread starting at 
<https://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com/msg111235.html>. 


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Re: Alternate Threading Options?

2019-03-23 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Wednesday 20 March 2019 at 6:13:53 PM, in
, Steven P Vallière
wrote:-


> I am hoping and praying that this is some other way for
> TheBat to thread messages that is independent of and
> more reliable than similarity of subject lines.

The standard way of threading is by the References header. 

TB! has nine threading options, seven of which ignore the Subject 
header.



> and I would want to get rid of the external tag and the
> space before (or after) it.

I'm not sure you can edit the Subject within TB! for an incoming or
received message. [0] shows an example of two filters and a batch
command to export the message, edit in a text editor, and import the
message back to TB!. Note it is called "Editing received messages 
without changing the headers" so you might need to adapt it to be able 
to edit the Subject header.

If you want to automatically clean the subject line when you reply to
their messages, you could probably adapt the example at [1] for your needs.

I have not tried any of these myself. The links below are to a Wayback
Machine archived copy because the page because the original page is 
currently unavailable.


[0] 
https://web.archive.org/web/20070705050832/http://cgi.silverstones.com/library.php#edit_a_received_message
 

[1] 
<https://web.archive.org/web/20070705050832/http://cgi.silverstones.com/library.php#clean_subject>
 

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Roguemoticons

2019-03-03 Thread MFPA
Hi all,


Do Roguemoticons no longer work, is it just me, or is there an option
I may have inadvertently turned off?

I have the X-Rogue header in my outgoing emails but no longer see my
Roguemoticon image in the header pane when viewing my messages. I have
the rogues.msl file present in my Program Files\The Bat!\Images
directory, and also the rogues folder containing the images.

I asked a similar question nearly two years ago [0] and didn't see a
response. A search for the X-Rogue header on my mailbase shows that
since my April 2017 query, as well as my messages it has also still
been included in messages from Greg Strong, Marck Pearlstone, Mark
Partous, MAU, Peter Hampf, Robin Anson, Volker Ahrendt, and Thomas
Fernandez. In the previous two years the list also included Stuart
Cuddy, Rick , Peter Meyns, Jack S. LaRosa, and
Feli Wilcke. If any of you are reading this, do you still see 
Roguemoticon images in the header pane?

[0] 
https://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg103567.html 


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Re: Can macros be used to create a unique filename?

2019-03-03 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Tuesday 26 February 2019 at 5:19:16 AM, in
, Ian A. White wrote:-


> My question is if the date macro can be used to
> automatically create 
> this date tagged backup file? If so (and hoping), any
> tips?

I don't know, but if not you could try using the %date% environment variable in 
your filename.


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Re: Reset Gmail

2019-02-02 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Saturday 2 February 2019 at 3:56:04 PM, in
, Richard L de S Clauson
wrote:-

> I'd not heard of the "recent:" prefix before, and
> haven't Googled about it,
> but I suspect, based on some of the other replies,
> that it may be an IMAP4
> feature.

As far as I can see, it's a gmail-specific and POP-specific feature. 

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Out-of-date "Current Version" in the footer added to list messages

2019-01-18 Thread MFPA
Hi


The footer added to TBUDL messages needs the "Current Version" 
updated. (-;


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Re: Reset Gmail

2019-01-07 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Monday 7 January 2019 at 8:56:24 PM, in
, Richard Newman wrote:-



> I put "recent:" back, closed down TB and rebooted my
> machine. I
> downloaded another batch and got another 500ish circa
> 2014 emails.  

Strange. It works for my old gmail account that I rarely use. 
Previously fetched emails last May. Just fetched mails and the created 
dates range from 09/12/2018 to today.

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Re: Reset Gmail

2019-01-07 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Monday 7 January 2019 at 6:41:49 PM, in
, Richard Newman wrote:-



>  Is there a way to reset something so TB will only
> download current
> new messages? Or, do I have to keep on downloading
> 450-500 at a time until everything is current?

At Account | Properties | Transport, in the "Receive Mail" part of the
tab, prefix your gmail username or email address with "recent:" (no
quotes and no spaces). Then you only get the last 30 days or so of
emails.

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Re: Hiding accounts in Account Tree

2018-09-08 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Saturday 8 September 2018 at 3:09:49 PM, in
, Adrian Godfrey wrote:-


> That is tricky when they are duplicated in the
> account tree. 

Yes. I was answering the text I quoted, not the other question about 
duplicates. ;-)


> Deleting the account.cfg and doing the registry edits
> fixes it (except
> the account tree is now in a different order) for the
> first time The Bat is started afterwards, but the
> duplicates come back
> some time later and on subsequent restarts of The Bat.

I'm convinced when I had an account that appeared twice, the solution
I used was to add a new account with a similar name, then close down
TB!, then (in Windows Explorer) copy all files from the old account's
folder to the new account's folder, then start TB!, delete the old
account from the account list, and rename the new one to have the same
name.


> But why do the duplicates happen in the first place?

I don't know. It only happened once for me so far with an account. 
I also had it with address books just after moving to a new computer. 



> but is there a way to set either "ignore
> check all accounts"
> and/or  reset  all accounts so that no scheduled
> checking for new mail
> happens  in one place without having to go into the
> properties of each
> account one at a time?

I think you can add scheduled checking for new mail in the Scheduler
tool, with check-boxes to select the accounts. But that would be
independent of the settings in each account's properties.

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Re: Hiding accounts in Account Tree

2018-09-08 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Friday 7 September 2018 at 12:53:39 AM, in
, Sam Brown wrote:-


> how can I tell
> TB! which accounts to display and which to hide from
> the Account Tree?

You can delete the accounts you don't want shown. TB! gives you the
choice to leave the account files on disk, so that you could later
re-add the account and still have the old messages and folders.


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Re: Moderators Announcement

2018-07-30 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Saturday 28 July 2018 at 12:44:00 PM, in
, MAU wrote:-


> Don't  worry. Marck has already reverted the settings
> till they find a
> better solution.  

That's great news!

It's still a shame the bug <https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1435>
has not been corrected yet. Despite Marck's claim in
<https://www.mail-archive.com/tbbeta@thebat.dutaint.com/msg110620.html>
that "TB is just showing you what is there. No more, no less." my TB! 
displays all senders in the message list for a Yahoo group as just the 
group's email address, but only for messages downloaded since I 
upgraded to TB! 8.2. Granted that when you actually view the 
"sendername senderemail [listname]" . 
Searching on SENDER contains SENDERNAME only brings up results that 
were downloaded pre-8.2.


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Re: Moderators Announcement

2018-07-26 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Monday 23 July 2018 at 11:15:08 PM, in
,
tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com wrote:-


> Hi T'Buddlers,

> Change to list settings
> ---

> I  have received the following request from Max
> Masiutin to modify the
> way  the  list  addresses  out bound mail and have
> changed the Mailman
> settings accordingly.


That is a pity as it gives false information. The messages are sent
_to_ the list, they do not originate _from_ the list. 

Will it make this list suffer from the bug that was introduced in TB! 8.2,
which I reported at <https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1435>? Not 
being able to see from the message list display who posted which 
message is a major irritation on lists affected by that bug.  


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Re: Only Current G-Mail

2018-06-24 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Thursday 21 June 2018 at 7:56:18 PM, in
, Richard Newman wrote:-


>   How  can I tell TB to load only the most recent
> emails . . . just as
>   it does with three other Gmail accounts?


Assuming you are using POP to download your messages from your Gmail 
account, within The Bat! go to Account Options | Transport tab | 
Receive Mail section and add "recent:" (without quotes, and with no 
space after the colon) to the front of your user name. Gmail should 
then not download messages more than 30 days old. (Make sure to add it 
only for the POP settings, not the SMTP.)

For more info, try googling something like "gmail recent mode".


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Re: Sub-filtering across accounts

2018-06-07 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Tuesday 5 June 2018 at 7:26:19 AM, in
, Thomas Fernandez wrote:-


> Yes.  But  since  the  mails  are  arriving there by
> filter and not by
> downloading, these filters are not triggered.  


Is the option "continue processing with other filters" selected in 
your filter that moves the messages to Account B?

Also, why the two-step process? You could do away with the first 
filter and move messages straight from Account A Inbox to the required 
folder in Account B.

I did away with per-account filters long ago and switched to Common 
filters instead, which I find far easier. I would suggest giving them 
a try.
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Re: Accounts showing multiple times in the tree

2018-06-03 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Saturday 2 June 2018 at 9:43:30 PM, in
, Adrian Godfrey wrote:-

> Is  there  a  way  to  force  a refresh of the
> account tree that would
> remove the duplicates and only leave the account
> there once?

I had that with an account a few years ago. I deleted the account from
TB", selecting the option to keep the account files on disk. Then I
created a "new" account with the same name and pointed it to the
existing account files. (First I made a copy of the account files in
case anything went wrong.)


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efail exploit

2018-05-14 Thread MFPA
Hi

I see the publishers of the "efail" exploit have said [0] The Bat! is
not vulnerable when decrypting OpenPGP emails, but for S/MIME there is
an exfiltration channel that requires user interaction.

[0] https://efail.de/#disclousure


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Re: Gmail Imap Archive mails

2018-03-05 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Saturday 3 March 2018 at 10:19:09 PM, in
<mid:1933950442.20180303141...@gmail.com>, Susanne wrote:-


> Hello,

> does someone have any advice how to accomplish this
> with a Gmail Imap account in TB:

> I want to archive messages older than a certain date
> in TB, and delete them in gmail.
> Is this possible with filters?  



This is what I do for POP accounts. I have no IMAP accounts so do not 
know if it translates. 

I got the idea from MAU on this list over ten years ago, and I may as
well paste in his description:-



On Wednesday 10 January 2007 at 1:32:49 PM, in
<mid:50628043.20070110143...@rancho-k.com>, MAU wrote:-


> Hello Lex,

>> Is there a way i can do this or something very
>> similar in the bat! ?

> Similar and from my POV even better and easier. I got
> the idea from
> someone else (don't remember who), but this is what I
> do:

> - I have a password protected account (will explain
> later why it is
> password protected) that I call 'Archive'.

> - This Archive account duplicates the folder tree
> structure of my main
> account. Actually, it just duplicates the folder I do
> want to archive.

> - In the Properties/General of each of the folders of
> my main account
> that I want to archive, I tick the option 'Keep
> messages in the vase for
> (days)' and enter the NN number of days.

> - In Properties/Deletion, I tick the 'Use folder
> specific deletion
> settings' option.

> - Then, for 'Alternative deletion' I select 'Move to
> the specified
> folder' and, of course, I browse to select the
> corresponding folder in
> the 'Archive account'.

> - And also tick the box for 'Use alternative deletion
> for purging this
> folder'.

> And that is it. As I have said, I do this in each of
> the folder I do
> want to archive. Now, when every night I run ?folder
> Maintenance with
> the Purge and Compress option, the 'old messages' in
> each folder are
> automagically moved to the corresponding folder in
> the Archive account.

> What's the benefit of doing this? Well, as I said at
> the beginning, the
> Archive account is password protected. This way, when
> you start TB, it
> will not open any password protected account and
> 'waste time' in opening
> each of it folders. Only when I need to find an
> archived message is when
> I select my Archive account, enter the password and
> open it.

> One other thing I do to easily remember which folders
> I have set up for
> 'automatic archiving' is to assign these folders to
> an 'Archive Colour
> Groups' (blue in my case). This way, I can easily see
> in my folder tree
> which folder do have an corresponding archive one.

> I'm really happy with this set-up.  



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Re: Which New Message Template?

2018-03-05 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Monday 5 March 2018 at 5:05:13 PM, in
<mid:446605705.20180305170...@parkinch.co.uk>, Tony Hoare wrote:-



> Does anyone know how to find which templates exist
> and are active?

I do not know where The Bat! stores them by default. But there are 
ways around this.



> You can have a template at the account level, the
> folder level
> within an account, an address book group and an
> individual contact.

The folder level does not have to be within an account: you can have 
Folder Templates in Common Folders, too.



> I need to update the new mail template but I have
> used it (with
> minor variations) in many folders. Is there a way to
> find them all?  

Maybe somebody knows a quick way to find them. I don't but I made it 
easier for myself. I learned most of this from this list but 
unfortunately cannot remember who to credit.

As you need to update it anyway, I suggest you look at building it up
from Quick Templates. That way, next time you just change the info in
the QT and the change carries through to all your varying versions of
the new message template.

Another suggestion is to use the %include macro in the message 
templates to point to a text file. For example, one of my new message 
templates just says:-

%INCLUDE="%maildir%\templates\new_msg_template_general.txt"%-

The actual template is in the text file it points to, and I keep all 
of them in the same folder. In that case, the text file says:-

%SetEditor="1"%-
%QT="Std_Header"%-
%-
Hi %UCFIRST="%TOFName"


%Cursor
%-
%QT="Std_Signature"%-
%-
%nopgpmime%-



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TB! 8.2 Incorrect display of "From" column in message list for Yahoo Group messages and Spamgourmet Messages

2018-02-26 Thread MFPA
Hi


Yahoo Group messages provide the From header in the format "Name email 
address [group name]" . 

In the "From" column of the message list, TB! used to show Name email
address [group name]. Since updating to TB! v8.2 it has now switched
to displaying group email address instead. So all messages appear to
come from the group email address without a member's name. You cannot
determine which member posted a message until you click on that
message and can see the headers. It also makes it harder to locate a
particular message as you can no longer sort by the "From" column.

Messages forwarded from Spamgourmet addresses to your real email
address also suffer from this change. They no longer display as
"sender name - sender email address" ; now the "From" column just shows the
obscured email address to reply from the Spamgourmet address.

It appears to be deliberate behaviour [0] but has seriously eroded the 
user experience.

[0] 
<https://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/revision-history/7047/>.

Has anybody else experienced this?

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Re: Folder font issues.

2018-02-20 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Tuesday 20 February 2018 at 1:00:21 PM, in
<mid:1918431408.20180220080...@tranquilrefuge.net>, Gene Kearns wrote:-


> No, the generic color group is in use for all folders.  

Do the folders that are a different font or weight contain unread
messages, or anything else that the generic colour group's settings
would cause to display differently?

Failing that, it might be worth a try to change the ones that display 
differently to another colour group, then close and re-open The Bat!, 
and then change them back to the generic colour group.


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Re: Folder font issues.

2018-02-19 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Monday 19 February 2018 at 6:00:51 PM, in
<mid:648011378.20180219130...@tranquilrefuge.net>, Gene Kearns wrote:-


> Hello MFPA,

>   I  have  a  few  folders  that  are  not the same
> font and
>   font-weight  as  the other folders. I cannot find
> where to
>   correct this. can anyone help?  


You probably have a Colour Group applied to these folder names. 
Change it at Folder | Colour Group.


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Re: Exporting/importing address books

2018-02-16 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Friday 16 February 2018 at 1:34:58 AM, in
<mid:95511018.20180215193...@charter.net>, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:-


> Over the years I have somehow managed to create three
> address books. I wanted to
> export them to a file I could edit and so chose to
> export all three to comma
> separated (.csv) files. 

Why not copy all entries from each address book directly to a new one 
within TB! and delete the duplicates there? (If you use address book 
groups that have "hide items if not specifically selected" checked in 
their options, you would need to either copy members of these groups 
separately or remove this checkmark before selecting all entries in 
the address book to copy.)



> What am I missing?  

Is there any possibility that you didn't delete the whole line when 
deleting the duplicate entries? A long shot, but all I could think of. 

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Re: TB / Windows 10 / Outlook 2010

2018-01-30 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Tuesday 30 January 2018 at 2:53:49 AM, in
<mid:1143119402.20180129205...@4getspam.xxx>, Greg Strong wrote:-


> Hello TBUDL,

> I've  upgraded  my old HP PC tower to Windows 10 a
> few months ago with
> no problems using TB. 

> Without  getting  into  the  reason  I wanted to
> install Outlook 2010.
> After installing  Outlook  2010  TB  window  was
> hidden.  Using
> Windows 10 Task Manager I was able to see TB process,
> but not see
> the TB window.

Just a suggestion. I do  not have Outlook installed.

Try Windows start button | type "default " (no quotes) into the search 
box | select "default app settings" | clixk on whatever is set for 
email | Click The Bat!

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Re: Message has not been sent

2018-01-27 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Friday 26 January 2018 at 6:29:33 PM, in
<mid:26209793.20180126122...@charter.net>, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:-


> I was trying to forward an email and it kept getting
> denied, ostensibly by
> Charter (my ISP). But when I click on the part of the
> denial that says:

> Please visit http://www.charter.com/postmaster, I get
> a 404 error from Charter
> (now Spectrum).


www.charter.con diverts to www.spectrum.com and you get the 404 error 
because they have no page with the address 
www.spectrum.com/postmaster. If you are contacting them, I'd suggest 
pointing it out to give them the opportunity to fix the redirect 
and/or the email error message.

By complete fluke, I found 
https://www.spectrum.net/support/internet/charter-postmaster-services/ 

That page has a section tilted "Email Security Alerts" which says:-

 Spectrum customers with compromised or infected computers who are 
 broadcasting outbound spam or virus-infected email won't be able
 to send email messages and will receive an error 554 Email
 Security Alert.
 
 To resolve this issue:

Send us the original blocked email in one of two ways:
Open the original message in your sent folder, update the 
address to unbl...@charter.net and send it. 
Create a new message addressed to unbl...@charter.net, copy 
and paste the original message, and then resend. 
Resend the email to the original recipient 48 hours later as a 
test. 
If you're still having problems, contact us 
https://www.spectrum.net/page/contact-us/. 



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Re: Autofill suggestions

2018-01-06 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Saturday 6 January 2018 at 5:32:46 AM, in
<mid:1098290187.20180105233...@charter.net>, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:-


> Actually, no. Even if I had known to do that I
> wouldn't have known what I was
> looking at. Here's a link to the image in Dropbox:

> https://www.dropbox.com/s/wk40w088pvengwg/2018-01-05%2023_27_41-The%20Bat%21.png?dl=0
>   


Take a look at <https://www.ritlabs.com/en/support/help/70/#6640>. 
Only part of the page is relevant, then it moves on to address book
synchronisation.

And while I was googling for that, I found 
<https://www.ritlabs.com/en/forums/forum4/topic6643/message25311/#message25311>
where Roelof Otten says:-

  You can play with the auto-fill options (per address field) at:
  Options -> Preferences -> Viewer/Editor -> Message Header -> To:
  -> Edit -> 'Editing' tab 
  The autofill options can be configured per header, so instead of
  'To:' you can aso select CC: or BCC:
  
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Re: Autofill suggestions

2018-01-05 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Friday 5 January 2018 at 4:43:19 PM, in
<mid:1918531879.20180105104...@charter.net>, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:-


> I have succeeded in removing *some* of the erroneous address
> entries, but not all. I don't know where else to look.

> Any ideas, suggestions?  

Have you tried the settings under Options | Preferences | Address 
History?

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Re: Unknown CA certificate

2017-12-26 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Wednesday 27 December 2017 at 12:22:09 AM, in
<mid:1327668299.20171226182...@charter.net>, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:-



> This Unknown CA Certificate warning(?) has recently
> been appearing every time I
> do a fetch from my Gmail account. There have been no
> changes to the account in
> years.


I had something similar with my Riseup email account a few months ago. 
They had updated their certificates but also made some changes to 
their setup. I think I had to change port numbers and switch between 
TLS and STARTLS.

Alternatively, if your anti-virus does a man-in-the-middle attack to
scan your emails you may need to export a root cert from your
anti=virus and load it into TB! (If your setting under Options | 
S/MIME and TLS is "Inyernal Implementation".) For example see 
https://support.avast.com/en-ae/article/91/.



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"Current Version" list footer out of date

2017-12-26 Thread MFPA
Hi


Just a note to the moderators. This list's "Current Version" list 
footer still says 7.1 on recent list messages. I believe 8.0.18 came 
out on 24/12/2017.


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Re: Windows error 193

2017-12-09 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Saturday 9 December 2017 at 2:24:16 PM, in
<mid:1557362054.20171209142416@my_localhost_LG>, MFPA wrote:-



> It appears I had a failed Windows update that day
> called "Windows 10
> Fall Creators Update".   


Now sorted. Somehow when the Creators Update failed to install on 
18/11 an empty file called "Program" appeared under X:\ alongside my 
"Program Files (x86)" directory. Removing the file solved the problem.

I got the idea to look for that from
<http://www.fixerrs.com/2014/03/Steps-to-Fix-Error-193-0xc1.html>.




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Re: Windows error 193

2017-12-09 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Saturday 18 November 2017 at 9:17:55 PM, in
<mid:1723737027.20171118211755@my_localhost_LG>, MFPA wrote:-


> Starting this afternoon, every time I try to encrypt
> or decrypt or
> sign or verify an openPGP message it fails with
> Windows error 193.

Still not resolved.



> I have not installed or uninstalled any software
> lately receive some 
> windows updates today. 

It appears I had a failed Windows update that day called "Windows 10
Fall Creators Update". 

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Re: Ad source mystery (solved) (sort of)

2017-11-22 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Tuesday 21 November 2017 at 11:58:10 PM, in
<mid:6910459642.20171121175...@charter.net>, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:-



> It's a page clean-up-for-printing extension 

I used to occasionally use a Firefox extension called "Print Without 
Ads" but Mozilla recently changed their add-on system system and, like 
many other extensions, it no longer works.
 


> Admittedly not a perfect solution and it may seem to
> some that removing
> extremely offensive ads before reading the page is
> just too much. 

Wouldn't one of the ad-blocker extensions remove these ads in Chrome
without you having to poke about?


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Re: Ad source mystery

2017-11-19 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Monday 20 November 2017 at 4:42:32 AM, in
<mid:150986565.20171119224...@charter.net>, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:-


> A previous
> reply from Lore Galore brought to the fore a little
> known (to me) function
> within TB! that may possibly be used to prevent page
> elements from ever
> appearing. 

It will only stop them appearing when you view the message in TB!, not 
in your browser.

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Re: Ad source mystery

2017-11-19 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Sunday 19 November 2017 at 5:47:27 PM, in
<mid:14310684216.20171119114...@charter.net>, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:-


> Again, note the URL and notice the ad is different.

The URL is to the temp file TB! created from the HTML part in the
message source when you clicked to view the HTML message in your
browser.



> So, the question is: where do these ads come from
> since they appear only if I
> click on the Chrome icon contained in the message? 

Presumably the code to call the ads is in the temp file I mentioned
above.

Try viewing the page source when you are looking at the message in
your browser. Or look at the temp file in a text editor. Or look at
the message source in TB!




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Re: Propagate view mode

2017-11-19 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Sunday 19 November 2017 at 4:28:41 AM, in
<mid:1147985442.20171118232...@gmail.com>, Rich Gregory wrote:-


> I have the main folder (the INBOX) in my main account
> set to a view mode I like.

If you haven't already, I would suggest saving that view mode with a 
name. When viewing that folder, right-click in the column title bar 
and click "Save Viewmode to ...".



> I want ALL my folders in all accounts to have this
> same look.
> How do I propagate it across the entire folder tree?

I have not tried this. The available menu options suggest two things:- 

  1.  In the main TB! window, click View | Global View Mode | Name of 
  your View Mode.
  
  2. Options | Preferences | View Modes | Name of your View Mode | Use 
  by ...| select the folders | OK.
  



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Re: Sending screenshote

2017-11-18 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Saturday 18 November 2017 at 11:55:42 PM, in
<mid:222543357.20171118175...@charter.net>, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:-


LG>> I'm not sure we can add attachments, but maybe
LG>> it would be okay to
LG>> upload your screenshot to a site like imgur.com
LG>> and include the link to
LG>> your screenshot in the posting.  Maybe someone
LG>> can verify that this is okay.

> I've uploaded pics to Dropbox and sent people links
> to the pics before. Not sure
> if even that is acceptable.  

I have never noticed anybody getting "trouted" when they posted links
to screenshots. So it has been accepted, which I guess means it is 
acceptable.

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Windows error 193

2017-11-18 Thread MFPA
Hi

Starting this afternoon, every time I try to encrypt or decrypt or
sign or verify an openPGP message it fails with Windows error 193.

The error message box says "The Bat!" at the top left. Below that is a
white "X" on a red background, next to which is written the command
line that TB! is passing to GnuPG. Below that it says "Error=193" and
there is an "OK" button at the bottom right.

I have not installed or uninstalled any software lately receive some 
windows updates today. 

Has anybody else seen this and know what to do about it?

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Re: Regular Expressions in Message Finder

2017-11-11 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Wednesday 8 November 2017 at 7:17:41 PM, in
<mid:404457361.20171108191...@parkinch.co.uk>, Tony Hoare wrote:-


> Hi All,

> Does anyone know if the search boxes support regex
> terms and, if so, how-to and what syntax?  


TB!'s help entry for "Regular Expressions" says:-

  The Bat! allows the use of regular expressions in these places: 

  Message Editor
  Message Finder
  Sorting Office / Filters
  Templates (using macros)

And following Message Finder link, the next help page says:-

  To make the Message Finder use regular expressions as the search
  pattern, enter the regular expression you want to use, and use the
  "Match" option in the drop-down conditions list. 
  
  The default PCRE options for the message finder are
  PCRE_CASELESS+PCRE_MULTILINE or PCRE_MULTILINE for a "Case
  sensitive search". Matching is done by treating the whole
  message as a single string. CF/LF pairs (0D/0A) are replaced by
  single LF (0A) characters before matching.


I have not tried.



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Re: How to import a root certificate

2017-08-28 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Monday 28 August 2017 at 1:17:23 PM, in
<mid:1592814523.20170828221...@sunnysydney.com>, Tom wrote:-



> Unfortunately TB makes it more difficult to deal with
> this than
> other clients like outlook.

I believe Outlook uses Microsoft CryptoAPI to manage S/MIME and TLS
certificates. TB! is more flexible because you have the additional
option of using the internal implementation.



> The error message is always like this:

> !28/08/2017,  22:03:54: FETCH - TLS handshake
> failure. The server host
> name ("xyz.somewhere.com") does not match the
> certificate.

The error message you reported seeing in your July 2014 thread was 
about the server not providing a root certificate during the session, 
and there being no root certificate in your address book. This new 
error message is reporting a different issue.



> !28/08/2017,  22:04:57: FETCH - TLS handshake
> failure. The server host
> name ("xyz.somewhere.com.au") does not match the
> certificate.

Compare the actual host name with the host name given in the 
certificate, work out what is different, then change one to match the 
other. 



> I tried ...

My previous advice was given when you were saying it was the exact 
same issue and the same error message as three years ago.

Now that you report a different problem, that advice is not relevant.



> And how would I
> add something to the cryptoAPI?  

Click the Windows start button (or press the Windows key), type 
certmgr.msc in the box and press enter. If it's not clear from there, 
ask a search engine how to add a certificate to "windows certificate 
store".



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Re: How to import a root certificate

2017-08-28 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Monday 28 August 2017 at 9:53:19 AM, in
<mid:943674420.20170828185...@sunnysydney.com>, Tom wrote:-


> Sorry,  I need to revive this thread as I have run
> into the exact same
> issues again. 

Given the thread was three years ago, a description of the issues
might be useful.



> So far I have been unable to solve the
> problem and would
> appreciate any guidance.
> Again  I  am  getting the same error messages after
> having updated the
> annual self-signed certificate purchased from geotrust.

I take it you create a self-signed certificate and submit it to
GeoTrust for them to add their signature.



> I have tried to import the root certificate but I
> probably need better
> advice  -  perhaps  last time I was lucky because
> this time I am stuck
> and after 3 years I can't remember all the steps.
> This time it affects two of my workstations with the
> exact same issue.  

Assuming you are using TB!'s internal implementation to manage S/MIME 
and TLS certificates rather than the Windows certificate store, you 
could try the following:-


In The Bat!, click the Tools menu on the top of the screen, and  
select Address Book. 

Click View and select Certificate Address Books.

Right-click Trusted Root CA and select New Contact from the 
context menu. 

Type the name of the CA in First name field. 

Select the Certificates tab and click Import

Locate the root certificate you downloaded from the CA, then 
select the file and click Open. 

Once the root certificate is imported, click OK to apply changes 
and exit the Address Book. 


Or you could see if switching to Windows certificate store (Microsoft 
CryptoAPI) side-steps the issue for you. (If it doesn't, either the 
root certificate needs adding there too, or a missing root certificate 
is not the problem.)


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Re: Templates

2017-08-13 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Sunday 13 August 2017 at 5:51:14 AM, in
<mid:102309136.20170813145...@sunnysydney.com>, Tom wrote:-


> Great  -  I  have never used common QTF though it
> seems now that might
> have been easier allround. Is it possible to copy the
> Account.QTB file
> of one specific account into the Common location and
> that way turn the
> account  specific templates into common templates ? 
> Then I would only
> have to manually set up a few other templates
> scattered around various
> accounts to have everything as common templates.  

Yes. At least, it worked when I did it a few years ago.



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Re: Templates

2017-08-12 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Saturday 12 August 2017 at 10:44:36 AM, in
<mid:1521977.20170812194...@sunnysydney.com>, Tom wrote:-


> Hello Everyone,

> I  just  bought  another  license  and  would  like
> to use my existing
> templates  from my main pc on a second pc. What would
> be the procedure
> to export / import the quick templates.
> I  think  I will set up everything else from scratch
> but would like to
> have my templates imported and ready from the start.  


You could copy ACCOUNT.QTB from your %email% folder to the same place
in your new installation. That file contains all your common QTs. Any
account-specific QTs will be stored in another ACCOUNT.QTB file in the
folder for the relevant account.



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Re: The Bat!'s QR Code generator?

2017-08-08 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Wednesday 9 August 2017 at 12:33:16 AM, in
<mid:251567408.20170808183...@charter.net>, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:-


> Hello MFPA,

> On Tuesday, August 8, 2017 you wrote:

M>> Hi

M>> What is  useful for?

M>> It generates a QR code from text, but I can't see
M>> a way to decode a QR
M>> code. The "send email" function in the QR
M>> generatoe does not appear to
M>> do anything. Pasting a QR Code into an
M>> HTML-formatted email gives me
M>> an access violation.

> Well I was going to be clever and compose this reply
> then generate a QR code of
> the text, which I did. The following is what I received:

> Your mail to 'TBUDL' with the subject

> Re: The Bat!'s QR Code generator?

> Is being held until the list moderator can review it
> for approval.

> The reason it is being held:

> Message body is too big: 216308 bytes with a
> limit of 25 KB

> Either the message will get posted to the list, or
> you will receive
> notification of the moderator's decision.  If you
> would like to cancel
> this posting, please visit the following URL:

> https://hosting.0x539.de/mailman/confirm/tbudl/030c0476716f3c505bd8131f2a4025852284bd3d

> So, whether or not you receive it remains to be seen.
> I had never used this
> feature before and was curious as to whether or not I
> would get an access
> violation as you did. I did not.  



I get Access violation at address 005173AB in module 'thebat64.exe'. 
Read of address 

I get this consistently by pasting the QR Code into a message in the HTML 
editor and either pressing "send" or just waiting 15-30 seconds.

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The Bat!'s QR Code generator?

2017-08-08 Thread MFPA
Hi


What is  useful for?

It generates a QR code from text, but I can't see a way to decode a QR
code. The "send email" function in the QR generatoe does not appear to
do anything. Pasting a QR Code into an HTML-formatted email gives me
an access violation.


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Re: Best Features

2017-08-02 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Wednesday 2 August 2017 at 12:23:36 AM, in
<mid:939822644.20170802092...@sunnysydney.com>, Tom wrote:-


> I start with the features I like and use the most:

> 1) Quick templates - can't do without them as they
> save me so much time
> 2)  Address book macros - using multiple emails for
> different purposes
> this  feature is helping me stay organised, ensuring
> that my responses
> to   contacts  are  consistent   (using  the  same 
> account,  the same
> greeting or signature etc)
> 3) Virtual Folders and Flags - great for task management  

For me, in the order I happened to think of them:-

1. Sorting office and filters.

2. Message templates and macros.

3. Proper threading of messages. Reading mailing lists would be 
impossible without it. 

4. OpenPGP integration - although TB! falls down by not having a way 
to specify which keys to use (relying instead on the OpenPGP 
implementation to find it from the email address).

5. A far better message search function than any other mail client I 
have used.

6. The MicroEd plaintext editor.

7. The ability to view all incoming messages in plaintext but to 
switch to HTML if necessary at a single click.

8. Control over downloading external content when viewing emails in 
HTML.


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Re: Easy Archive (Was: Re: message base index file)

2017-07-09 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Sunday 9 July 2017 at 9:18:58 AM, in
<mid:306186991.20170709181...@sunnysydney.com>, Tom wrote:-


> I am trying to replicate this but before getting all
> excited
> can you please just clarify to me how an encrypted
> account
> works. If I choose to have all messages older than
> 180 days
> moved to this encrypted account automatically, I
> suppose it
> can receive "transferred" messages from the main account
> automatically without me removing encryption at that
> point?
> For an active account basically that would be every day.  


I said nothing about an encrypted account.

Folders in a password protected account will receive messages without 
entering the password. But you need to enter the password to look at 
the folders and read messages in that account.


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Re: Customising the Menu & Toolbars

2017-07-06 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Thursday 6 July 2017 at 8:32:26 AM, in
<mid:1829445502.20170706173...@sunnysydney.com>, Tom wrote:-


> This still does not work for me consistently. While I
> can get some
> options  to  appear  where  I  need/want  them, 
> others show up in the
> settings but never in the actual email window.  

The options available in the Format menu (and some other menus in the 
message compose window) vary according to which editor you are using. 
For example, Bold will only be available in the HTML editor.


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Re: Easy Archive (Was: Re: message base index file)

2017-07-05 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Wednesday 5 July 2017 at 2:23:31 PM, in
<mid:1262182731.20170705142...@chriswilson.tv>, Chris Wilson wrote:-



> Can this archive reside on a different drive to TB!
> itself please?


Yes. This "Archive" account is just another email account as far as
The Bat! is concerned. The home directory location is set during the
new account wizard and can be changed at Account | Properties | Files
& Directories. It can be on any drive.



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