Re: Regex help-hilfe-ajuto needed

2002-08-18 Thread Mandara

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On Sat, 17 Aug 2002, at 18:25:20 -0700 Januk wrote in
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JA On Saturday, August 17, 2002 at 21:35 GMT +0200, a stampede was
JA started when Mandara hollered:

Well, that's something... ;-)

JA I know this should really go on TBTECH, but I suppose one or two of
JA these every couple of years on TBUDL isn't so bad.

.

Januk, thanks a lot for the all useful things you wrote. I'll proceed
with it on tbtech, as you and Luc suggested.


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Re: Encrypting received mails ... ?

2002-08-18 Thread Mandara

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On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, at 21:17:53 +1200 Carren wrote in
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CS Probably a crazy question, and it may be more a PGP question than a
CS TB! one, but why can't I encrypt a mail that I have received?

CS In other words, if someone sends me a plain text email and I want to
CS keep the contents private, why will it not let me encrypt it to my own
CS key? I realise that I could just copy and paste it and then encrypt
CS it, but I am curious to understand why it can't be done.

In addition to what Marck already said, you can use ScramDisk and make
your encrypted file where you can put your Bat folder with
confidential mail. Even more, this file will appear as an added
separate partition/drive and will be invisible until you decrypt it.
Also you can put all your mail folders in a such encrypted
file/partition.

Any time you restart/turn-off machine this encrypted file/partition
disappears until next decryption.


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Re: HTML messages

2002-08-18 Thread Mandara

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On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, at 11:15:42 +0400 Alaeddin wrote in
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AM   Can TB write HTML messages?

Officially, no. Unofficially, yes. But this is work of devil.
;-) Nobody loves HTML mail, and if such love exists that's a lost love.

Anyway, you can make your HTML, add all loads of pictures and so (pics
must be in the same folder with html), and when you finish it, open a
new message in TB and add this HTML as attachment together with all
pictures. That's it.

I discovered it once I had to send a very complicated formatted
text as an uncompressed html attachment (to a person who knew nothing
about WinZip and similar tools).


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Re: Encrypting received mails ... ?

2002-08-18 Thread Mandara

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On Sun, 18 Aug 2002, at 13:19:19 +0200 Peter wrote in
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PM You can move the message to an outbox. There you can open and edit it.

But if original headers are needed, they will be lost.

In this case, only solution is with editing message by
exporting-editing-importing. But this way message is still changed.

I think the best way is to put such (intacta) message in a folder in
an encrypted file/drive.

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Glyphs for TB

2002-08-17 Thread Mandara

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Aloha!

Hello again after a certain pause. I hope everything is still OK and
all are alive and well.

A while ago there was a word about Bat's glyphs here. They recommended
me to see Tony Boom's article at:
www.silverstones.com/thebat/glyphs.html in this regard. Now we have
another article of how to make own glyphs and/or how to use glyphs
already modified by other users, in two languages:
http://tronogi.tripod.com/ostalo.html. A small archive of such a
glyphs can be downloaded too. Also there is an idea of making sort of
glyphs gallery and enthusiasts are welcomed, if any.

to moderators
I don't know if is possible, for those who can't receive mail from
tbudl for a while, using a similar address as this one for digest mode
is? Would be easier just to switch to nomail mode instead
un-subscribing.
/to moderators

Be happy,

Mandara
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Regex help-hilfe-ajuto needed

2002-08-17 Thread Mandara

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Hello,

  I need just one simple thing: extract a defined *single line* from
  message header and put it in body of reply.

  But no matter how is that simple, I couldn't do that.

  This one ^From: (.*)?$ extracts to much and doesn't stop at the
  end of line (includes entire header from the from line downward).

  This one ^From: (.*?)\.\w+\s* extracts only till dot in address
  domain name (e.g Name username@ispname).

  Is there some elegant formula which would take only one line you
  chose by the first word in the line?

  Be patient with me, please, I am very beginner, and already infected
  with regexp (last night downloaded Gerd's tutorial and forgot to go
  to sleep).

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A special, separate, list for TBregex?

2002-08-17 Thread Mandara

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  Is there some interest in making a list which would deal only with
  regex used in TB? I mean something similar to already existing
  several separated TB sections.

Mandara
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Re: Regex help-hilfe-ajuto needed

2002-08-17 Thread Mandara

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On Sat, 17 Aug 2002, at 22:01:02 +0200 Peter wrote:

PP ^From:\s*(.*?)\n

PP You see the difference? The question mark is _inside_ the parentheses
PP and it searches for the 'newline' explicitly.

Yep, I got it. I glued myself with $ as only metachar for the end of
the line. ;-)

PP This should work quite fine and have everything after 'From:' followed
PP by any number of white spaces but before 'new line' in sub pattern 1.

Works like baby. Thanks!

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Re: Part 1

2002-05-14 Thread Mandara

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On Mon, 13 May 2002, at 21:37:13 +0200 Gerd wrote:

GE Ok, that's it. Let's start. I hope you will enjoy the tutorial :-)

As a relative beginner in regex, I can say it was a real pleasure to
read this First part. I can't wait next ones.

Mandara
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Re: middle mouse button scrolling

2002-05-13 Thread Mandara

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On Mon, 13 May 2002, at 07:02:10 -0700 Nick wrote:

NA Who knows... one day RITLabs may fix the bug. ;o)

But, if this is just another improvement (in the art of scrolling, in
this case) and a matter of (an enhanced) new conception... g

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Re: Back with the Bat! and a menu question

2002-05-13 Thread Mandara

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On Mon, 13 May 2002, at 22:21:24 +0200 Gerrit wrote:

DE List-post:
DE List-archive:

GK Is there a way for me to include these fields into the headers of my mail? I run a
GK mailinglist with the bat, but cannot find macros for these fields.

I think you can do that with X-Ray Mail Assistant with {in|out}going
mail. This program is anyway written for TB, as I know.

Mandara
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Re: 1.60k

2002-05-13 Thread Mandara

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On Mon, 13 May 2002, at 16:17:40 -0600 Pete wrote:

PM I am now downloading The Bat! 1.60k  Is this a wise thing to do or
PM should I say a step up from 'h'?

Ah... :-)

PM Should I uninstall 'h' and then install 'k' or just install over it?

If this is a rar file (which contains only exe file), from the beta
page, then just unrar it and copy over old thebat.exe file. (You could
rename old thebat.exe in tb160h.exe instead copy over it, though.)

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Re: All the meail in my inbox has disappeared!

2002-05-12 Thread Mandara

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On Sat, 11 May 2002, at 21:52:44 -0400 Michael wrote:

MD Hmmm - I don't think I deleted them, and those messages are not in
MD the Trash folder. Is there some way to delete messages that they
MD don't end up in the trash?

Hmm, I think it is not possible, except if you delete entire folder,
which is not possible with Inbox folder. Other possibility, but
hardly, is that trash folder is emptied in some automatic, or some
other not noticed, way.

MD So, are you saying I should move the messages .tbb and messages.tbi
MD files to a new TB folder, and then compress the new folder?

No, copy them in a temporary folder somewhere *at HD*, not in TB, then
compress your Inbox folder *in Bat*. Then close TB, then copy tbb and
tbi files back in *Inbox folder, at HD*, then start TB. If this is
what I mean, then you should see messages from your Inbox folder, in
TB, again.

***I recalled another reason why you cannot see your messages, and it
can be pretty mussy: if folder structures in TB are not corresponding
with folder structures at your HD. It will happen if you changed
location of messages.* files at your HD.

But, that what is very important is a fact that you still have
messages.* files from this Inbox folder at your HD. As long as you
have them, and as long as you have them copied in some safe place,
would be possible to find a solution. This is most important.

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Re: Turn off the bleeping beep

2002-05-12 Thread Mandara

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On Sun, 12 May 2002, at 21:51:57 +0900 Yuki wrote:

YT Damn stupid thing still beeps.

Hmm, sounds as a cursed wav...

Mandara
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Re: All the meail in my inbox has disappeared!

2002-05-11 Thread Mandara

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On Sat, 11 May 2002, at 18:25:59 -0400 michael wrote:

mmc As I said in my original post:

I don;t have a virus scanner currently installed on this computer, and
View-Display is set to All messages.

Maybe you accidently deleted all messages from mailbox, but you still
didn't compress it since you have them in tbb and tbi files. In this
case, just copy those files in some temp folder, then compress folders
in Bat and close the program. Then, move again tbb and tbi files in
the inbox on the disk and start the Bat. Messages should appear then.

I have no other idea in this moment.

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Re: comments and a request

2002-05-10 Thread Mandara

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On Fri, 10 May 2002, at 17:17:59 -0400 Dave wrote:

DG I certainly agree with you on the scratch pad.  There are plenty
DG capable clipboard extenders available which have the added advantage
DG of being usable outside of TB!.

One even do not need that. It's enough to make a txt file and write
in the first line .LOG. It will do what SmartBat ;-) is doing. And
would free some memory in TB for something useful.

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Cookie file

2002-05-09 Thread Mandara

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Hello TBudlers,

I thought something... Is it possible somehow attach a random file?
For instance, a small simbolic pictures (20-30 b{i|y}tes)?

Mandara
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Re: TB! v1.60i

2002-05-05 Thread Mandara

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On Sun, 5 May 2002, at 03:29:13 -0800 Lynna wrote:

LL Is that a email addiction?

Definitely. You should enter the club of E-mailaholics International.

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Re: TB! v1.60i

2002-05-05 Thread Mandara

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On Sun, 5 May 2002, at 09:52:07 -0800 Lynna wrote:

M Again, don't turn PGP off, since there is no reason for it; this
M system is readable for all. But if you are using MS CryptoAPI then you
M should count on that that some of us cannot read those messages.

LL It is too bad that the MS cryptoAPI is not supported equally through
LL all versions of TB and other mail clients because it leaves the
LL smallest footprint visually on the email when sent.

OK, I agree, as to the visual impression, though S/MIME in general
(not only MS's one) is sending more bites than PGP/GPG.

LL What I mean to say is that visually it is the most appealing, less
LL intrusive than several lines of garbled code,letters, numbers. If
LL it were equally supported, accepted I would opt of using SMIME of
LL PGP in every day email for that reason alone. I use PGP because I
LL operate a web site community and I use a form which encrypts to
LL PGP to safeguard members personal information as they send it to
LL me. : )

Hmm, I wouldn't say it is a good idea to use anything of MS for
safeguarding whatever. I'll say it again, in the case I wasn't clear:
no any problem with normal S/MIME, but there are problems with MS
CryptoAPI's S/MIME, since the last one simply is *not* same S/MIME but
'something' made by M$ and is simply *not* compatible with normal
S/MIME and doesn't support a general S/MIME standard. So, if you
prefer S/MIME, I would recommend non-M$ CryptoAPI S/MIME. Though, in
general, I higly recommend PGP, especially GnuPG (Gnu Privacy Guard)
and GPGShell (GnuPG Shell) for it, if you like to work by mouse and
don't like too much command line stuff. GnuPG is tiny and powerfull
program and via GPGShell is very easy for handling. (M$ stuff just
*seems* easy and simple, but is *very* complicated, especially in the
back[s]ground, and especially regarding security. (-;) So, if you
really care about your members would be good to avoid M$ stuff. :-)

LL  snip
M As to upgrading: I, personally, cannot upgrade TB if it lack in some
M options which were present in previous versions, and are highly vital
M for me, just for the sake of some options which are highly buggy and
M completely needless to me. It would be in fact a downgrade or
M mussgrade. I, still, hope those 1.60x versions will as soon as
M possible be just a messy past.

...

LL Out of curiosity could you share some of those options | functions
LL that were a part of previous versions that are no longer included?

One of lost options is browsing by the first letter of the name[s]
of the folders through accounts/folders (in account pane).

LL I thank you for your e-mail, it was informative, and I will turn the
LL PGP back on, though I wish it made less of a footprint in the actual
LL e-mail's sent.

You can turn the S/MIME on too (but not Crypto API's one, that is if
you'd like we who don't support API can read your digitally penned
scriptures). :-)

LL Version J is working fine for me, but then, as you
LL mentioned I have not used any version before 1.60c and therefore have
LL no experience with TB prior to version c to compare it  to.

I would bravely endure all other bugs, just if they would give me back
my browsing by the first letter of... etc. :-E

:-)

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Re: S/MIME standards was: Re: Anti-Virus

2002-05-05 Thread Mandara

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On Sat, 4 May 2002, at 08:53:00 -0500 Michael wrote:

MD I can confirm this. I've tried reading a message originated from
MD Outlook and TheBat! 1.60c. The implementations are mutually
MD incompatible. So much so, that Outlook will not even recognize that
MD the message from TB! was even signed. The behaviors are consistent
MD with 1.53d, 1.60c, and 1.60h.

MD This leaves the question, do we need to buckle under to MS to get
MD S/MIME to work?

As I see things, we don't at all. We *already* have S/MIME even without
M$.

MD If so, then I'll resume using PGP.

You don't need: I see your S/MIME signature and I can verify it and it
is valid here. PGP/GPG is also OK.

MD Also, how old is this new local standard?

Have no idea. First time when I heard about it were those new weird Bat
versions {without ability to browse by the first letter of the name[s]
of the folders through accounts/folders (in account pane), I would add}.

Have a nice day anyway. :-)

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Re: TB! v1.60i

2002-05-05 Thread Mandara

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On Sun, 5 May 2002, at 22:51:11 +0100 Marck wrote:

 I would bravely endure all other bugs, just if they would give me
 back my browsing by the first letter of... etc. :-E

MDP I prefer the improvement myself.. browse by progressive search. Much
MDP quicker for navigation IMHO!

If this progressive search is faster than putting a finger on a key,
than I would highly appreciate instructions how to do that.

Just in the case that a misunderstanding is possible here, my full
sentence was:

One of lost options is browsing by the first letter of the name[s]
of the folders through accounts/folders (in account pane).

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Re: TB! v1.60i

2002-05-05 Thread Mandara

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On Sun, 5 May 2002, at 17:19:12 -0800 Lynna wrote:

JA I think what it means is you type the first letter, and it
JA matches the first folder that it reaches... when you type the
JA second letter, it tries to find the next folder that begins with
JA letter 1... AND 2... for example... You have:

JA * Folder 1
JA * Fldr 2
JA * Inbox

JA If you Type F it selects Folder... if your next key is L it
JA moves to Flder 2 as it matches the FL to Fldr 2... is that
JA clear? My explanations on some things are awful... at least that
JA is my understanding on how the 'progressing' search works anyway.

LL I am using j version of TB but If I place my cursor in the
LL folder pane and I press a key on the keyboard the highlighted
LL folder changes to the one named with the corresponding letter,
LL such as press T it moves to the folder named 'The Bat ' is this
LL what he is referring to as searching by letter?

Dear Lynna, it seems very near, so just do the next, please: you have
only to place your cursor in the folder pane and to press a T key on
the keyboard. Then, *hold* your finger on this key *all the time* and
just *watch*: _if_ it moves to *all* folders with names starting with
the letter T, and if this starts again from the beginning when it
comes to the end, making loops around all the time, and if this
doesn't stop until, and *only* until you lift your finger from T key
- - then this version is a Bat version without this bug! And,
consequently, you'll give me the link for download. :-) Please. :-)

*But*, if, while you are holding your finger on this key, there is
*no* this permanent, continual, perpetual, eternal, never ceasing and
ever lasting moving around in the cycles, and if this stops at any
time, then this is just another buggy version again, and again, and
again...

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S/MIME standards was: Re: Anti-Virus

2002-05-03 Thread Mandara

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On Fri, 3 May 2002, at 05:51:47 -0500 Michael wrote, or scribbled:

M Btw, the term Microsoft anything-dealing-with-privacy-security
M sounds pretty weird, nein? Do you folks really think it is a good idea
M making Bat involved with a such things?

MD That was the point of one of my earlier messages.

You're right. I saw this letter later.

MD The answer is no. :)

So, we have already a folks having all two members. ;-)

MR I still don't know why the two implementations should be
MR incompatible, but they are. I can S/MIME sign using either one,

MD They weren't. This is a bug that has been reported.

Hm, no, it refers to normal S/MIME implementation/standard and MS'
a new local standard they devised to make things less usable, as
usual, and by this to divide Internet community again. So this is
not a bag, this is just a mess with standards and standards.

 Btw, MR refers to Melissa's comment. She explained this
 standards problem in Message-ID:
 [EMAIL PROTECTED] just fine and clear, and we
 have no answer yet.

Btw2, I see your S/MIME signature as valid here, as usual, so I
suppose it is a normal standard S/MIME, not MS' CrippleAPI.

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Re: Anti-Virus

2002-05-02 Thread Mandara

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On Wed, 1 May 2002, at 11:55:30 -0700 Melissa wrote:

MR I'm using 1.60c.  All of Lynna's S/MIME signed messages show here as
MR invalid with *both* TB!'s internal S/MIME implementation and with MS
MR CryptoAPI (and yes - her key is properly imported here as well).

MR If I open her certificate to have a look, it says: No signed
MR attributes.

I even cannot open recent Lynna's messages: only what I see is the
line in the header window; body window retains previous body contents.

Regarding other's S/MIME signed messages, they are all good here.
1.53d.

(Btw, I almost deleted entire thread since I wasn't interested about
Anti-Virus topic.)

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Re: 'dink' wav sound on some actions

2002-05-02 Thread Mandara

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On Thu, 2 May 2002, at 11:52:58 +0100 David wrote:

DS With about 30 accounts 'dinking' every few minutes this morning
DS due to a failed network somewhere in Europe I'm going 'dink'
DS crazy.

He, heee...

DS Is there a way to turn it off as it tends to intrude on any music
DS I'm playing as I work!

You can do that by Tweak UI (under Genereal tab uncheck Beep on
errors). Another way is to change 'dink' by 'honey', 'eeek' or
something, if you edit Ding.wav in M$'s Media folder.

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Re: Anti-Virus

2002-05-02 Thread Mandara

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On Thu, 2 May 2002, at 12:02:36 -0700 Melissa wrote:

MR If you go into Options | S/MIME, and set the preference to
MR Microsoft CryptoAPI (instead of TB!'s internal S/MIME
MR implementation), you should be able to open Lynna's messages.

Ah so. OK, thanks. I'll remember this if I move to newer version[s].

Btw, the term Microsoft anything-dealing-with-privacy-security
sounds pretty weird, nein? Do you folks really think it is a good idea
making Bat involved with a such things?

MR I still don't know why the two implementations should be
MR incompatible, but they are. I can S/MIME sign using either one,
MR but when I try to verify, I can only properly verify a message
MR using the same implementation that was used to sign a particular
MR message. I thought that S/MIME was supposed to be some sort of
MR standard - like OpenPGP.

Well, since M$ made own versions of almost all things/prgm
languages, maybe is something similar with this S/MIME 'standard'.
Ahhh... Just an idea.

 Using The Bat! v1.53bis on Windows 98

MR Why are you still using such an old build?

Though it is not directed directly to my reverend self, I'd like to
answer (I'm still using 1.53d)(-:. - I simply couldn't browse folders
by first letter of their names, in versions 60, 60c, d (I didn't even
try further). Since I have, in this moment, exactly 357 folders in 21
accounts, a browsing drawback like that is a deep cruel sorrow to me,
regardless any improvements which new versions are bringing. Right
that moment when I hear it's possible (again) with some of these new,
fancy, versions, I'll go to pick this one up. I'd like to hear some
opinion about that option from some experienced Bat user, very much, and
your comments/info will highly appreciate.

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Song of the forgotten bugs and S/MIME standard[s] was: Re: Anti-Virus

2002-05-02 Thread Mandara

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On Fri, 03 May 2002, at 00:27:44 +0200 Mrten wrote:

 Btw, the term Microsoft anything-dealing-with-privacy-security sounds
 pretty weird, nein? Do you folks really think it is a good idea making
 Bat involved with a such things?

M the bat! has S/MIME because outlook has it. market-push... what! no
M s/mime support! me no buy!.

Good. I know guy who made a discussion list and wrote down: Not for
AOLers.

Ahhh... Bat became so excellent right because it was *different*, and
pretty independent. Ahhh... Hmmm... Grmph... Hmmm...

Well, you see, if we observe this approach consequently
(market-push), than we can expect that TB will become a software
bloated with M$ and similar shiny trash. At the some point we could
just ask ourselves is it still TB or something completely different.
I think not so few of users will become disinterested for a such
versions, and know some which already are using only versions prior to
1.60.

Standards are very important in mass-communications, and M$ is just
breaking it, but this is M$. Question is: why TB's supporting this? But,
maybe I grasped TB concept wrongly...

###
Second, and much more important, part of the message:

 I simply couldn't browse folders by first letter of their names, in
 versions 60, 60c, d (I didn't even try further).

M i'm using 1.60h and have just tried... when i type 'e' and 'r', a
M folder called 'eric' gets selected... is that what you mean?
M (select the folder pane first ofcourse)

Of course. But not, that's not quite exactly what I mean. If you have
several folders starting with letter e try to browse this way and
you'll see that you can do that only once. For instance, I have in
each (of 21) account folder named Lists and could easily switch
between them just by typing L all the way around. Similar is with
folders News, Private etc.

I just downloaded h version, and they still didn't fix that (from
v.1.60).

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Re: Anti-Virus

2002-05-01 Thread Mandara

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On Wed, 1 May 2002, at 11:55:30 -0700 Melissa wrote:

MR I'm using 1.60c.  All of Lynna's S/MIME signed messages show here as
MR invalid with *both* TB!'s internal S/MIME implementation and with MS
MR CryptoAPI (and yes - her key is properly imported here as well).

MR If I open her certificate to have a look, it says: No signed
MR attributes.

I even cannot open recent Lynna's messages: only what I see is the
line in the header window; body window retains previous body contents.

Regarding other's S/MIME signed messages, they are all good here.
1.53d.

(Btw, I almost deleted entire thread since I wasn't interested about
Anti-Virus topic.)

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Re: Colouring folders

2002-04-28 Thread Mandara

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On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, at 19:54:34  +0100 Marck wrote:

MDP The only way to do this is to replace the standard glyph images.
MDP There's an article by Tony Boom about that on the FAQ site,

 Hmm, there's no glyph files in my TB folder[s]. Is that related only
 to some particular versions?

MDP Did you read the article?

Yes, I did. Everybody who did it could find that some of necessary
informations are simply missing, or some which are given are
misleading.

To repeat where this article is:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/glyphs.html

MDP The default glyphs are built in. if a glyphs.bmp file is present,
MDP then it overrides the defaults. No file is present by default.
MDP This feature has been around since Max made this announcement:

MDP ,- [ Sat, 27 Nov 1999 13:51:30 +0200 ]
MDP | The Bat!, starting from 1.38 Beta/4 has an ability to load external
MDP | custom glyphs.
MDP `-

Thanks for this answer. In the Tony's article only what is mentioned
about glyphs is that we have to:

1) Save the glyph.bmp file to The Bat directory, reboot TB! and see
what it looks like. -- without any notice anywhere that default
glyphs are built in (even is said glyph.bmp, not glyphs.bmp);

2) First of all, open P[aint]S[hop]P[ro] and then open the standard
glyph.bmp. Decide what glyph you're going to modify. -- How could one
open standard glyph.bmp if it is built in?

3) Another thing to remember is that the whole glyphs image file is
like a big grid. Each icon needs to be placed centrally in its own
square on this grid otherwise they may not be aligned or they may even
be part missing when TB uses them  -- without any mention about
dimensions of this grid, number of icons and their sequence. Only what
is mentioned is that each icon is 25x25 pixels, without any notice
about dimensions of its own square. How could one place something of
25x25 pixs in the center of something with unknown dimensions, and
above all, which cannot be opened since it is built?

IMHO, this article should be updated and needed information which are
missing and are incorrect should be presented and corrected there.
Else, I would really appreciate any other source with complete and
correct informations.

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Re: Colouring folders

2002-04-28 Thread Mandara

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On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, at 06:34:31  -0500 Allie wrote:

ACM If you like, I could send you the current glyphs.bmp so that you can
ACM work on it.  I don't know how I got it since it's so long ago, but I
ACM now have it.

Oh yes, please! :-) I just started playing with them and it is
pretty... contagious. ;) Thank you!

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Re: Colouring folders

2002-04-28 Thread Mandara

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On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, at 06:34:31  -0500 Allie wrote:

...

M IMHO, this article should be updated and needed information which
M are missing and are incorrect should be presented and corrected
M there. Else, I would really appreciate any other source with
M complete and correct informations.

ACM We are yet to have any official documentation of this. I don't know
ACM enough about that sort of thing to offer my own information. I don't
ACM know about Marck as well but I think he's in the same position as me.

ACM If Ritlabs doesn't provide information on this, then some cough
ACM 'reverse engineering' will be required and then the documentation
ACM created from this. At present the only updating that we can do is to
ACM change the part about loading the standard glyphs.bmp file.

...

Hm, I think that Tony's old article can be useful yet, just if is
added some old (downloadable) bmp grid with it. Even with only the
grid accessible, one can do the job just fine, since is easily visible
where is what, so it is easy to decide what to replace.

After you sent me (thanks again!) one of those glyphs.bmps, I made
wished changes and am completely satisfied now (I couldn't stand just
few things - folders (;-, colors and shape). Maybe is not a bad idea
to upload several grids (originals and modified by users), so that
assortment can be more luxuriant. If there is an interest for it,
I can offer, as a first one :), what I did with my grid (folders
looks really nice, at least to my eyes ;-).

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Re: HTML with The Bat!

2002-04-28 Thread Mandara

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On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, at 21:45:51  +0100 David wrote:

...

DE Obviously, this procedure is not for the faint hearted. (My thanks to Oleg
DE Zalyalov for this tip)

And my thanks to you for you shared it with me/us. :-)

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Re: Colouring folders

2002-04-28 Thread Mandara

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On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, at 16:29:36  -0500 Allie wrote:

ACM Mandara [M] wrote:
ACM ...
M Maybe is not a bad idea to upload several grids (originals and
M modified by users), so that assortment can be more luxuriant.
M If there is an interest for it, I can offer, as a first one :),
M what I did with my grid (folders looks really nice, at least to
M my eyes ;-).

ACM I'd sure love to see what your set now looks like.

One copy of this message with attached piece goes to your address.
:-)

ACM Hopefully, if we have some nicely modified glyphs, we could create a
ACM web page for them.

Anyway, maybe folks would like to have some gallery of glyphs for
disposal.

Mandara
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Re: HTML with The Bat!

2002-04-28 Thread Mandara

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On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, at 23:06:47  +0200 Mandara wrote:

DE Obviously, this procedure is not for the faint hearted. (My
DE thanks to Oleg Zalyalov for this tip)

M And my thanks to you for you shared it with me/us. :-)

Actually, I found much easier way to do this: just make a html page
and attach it in message. If you have some pictures and background
inside, attach them too. So, no any export/import work around nor
modifying headers.

I sent it to myself and received by Messenger: it looks quite
properly, with pictures, tables and background pic on their places.

Mandara
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Re: HTML with The Bat!

2002-04-28 Thread Mandara

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On Sun, 28 Apr 2002, at 16:10:41 -0700 Nick wrote:

 Actually, I found much easier way to do this: just make a html page
 and attach it in message.

NA With the WORM_KLEZ.G floating around, why would you even consider sending
NA someone an HTML page? Better to send them a link to that page and let them
NA decide on their own.

Oh, it was just a matter of a technical solution regarding Bat.
Personally I'm sending html messages very rarely, usually if someone
likes some multicolored birthday cards (made by me, and when I know
what codes exactly are inside) and similar. Aside that all of that
stuff is AV checked before sending.

Mandara
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Re: Policy Amendment

2002-04-26 Thread Mandara

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On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, at 23:40:33  +0200 Mrten wrote:

M pretty please with sugar on top.

M Mrten.
M (was I being impolite?)

No way, with all those sweets. :-)

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Re: e-mail geniuses figure this out!

2002-04-25 Thread Mandara

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On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, at 09:52:53  +0200 Miguel wrote:

 until she could drive Mercedes CLK-GTR

MAU Is that a new PGP version? ;-)

A car simulator. ;-) It goes 300+ km/h, but is very stable (Made in
German). ;-) Btw, if you need fast PGP program, use GnuPG. It is like
Blue Bird.

Mandara
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Re: e-mail geniuses figure this out!

2002-04-25 Thread Mandara

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On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, at 11:26:58  +0200 Roelof wrote:

RO It was Jeroen's father who lost a password, I was only an innocent
RO bystander who tried to help on this list.

Yes, you are right, I mixed quoted text.

M because such things are some of the most painful and hardest to
M solve when happened.

RO Personally I'm more interested in how to do things than how to fix
RO things,

Oh, it is just other side of how to do things. And it happens
usually suddenly. :)

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Re: Colouring folders

2002-04-25 Thread Mandara

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On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, at 11:06:51  +0100 Marck wrote:

MDP The only way to do this is to replace the standard glyph images.
MDP There's an article by Tony Boom about that on the FAQ site,

Hmm, there's no glyph files in my TB folder[s]. Is that related only
to some particular versions?

Mandara  (v1.53d)
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Re: startup prompt re file extensions .eml and .vcf

2002-04-25 Thread Mandara

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On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, at 11:21:35  +0200 Gerard wrote:

G To bad this doesn't work for EML files. OE keeps pulling this one back.
G I hate this program :(

Why don't you simply kick this out?

Mandara
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Re: Selected downloading

2002-04-25 Thread Mandara

On Thu, 25 Apr 2002, at 17:49:17  +1000 John wrote:

JP Strangely pop.yahoo.com.au still allows free POP access.

Nope to me anymore. It was uncomonly nicely to see today no more spam
in mailboxes. (Now all of that is going to Yahoo itself. :-)

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Re: Name and password - Please help?

2002-04-24 Thread Mandara

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On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, at 21:52:55  +0200 Roelof wrote:

J My father has the Bat version 1.53d. The following problem occurs;
J shortly after the splash screen the Bat asks for a name and a
J password. My father cannot use therefore the emailclient. As for I

RO Try to delete the password (or the group) at: Options - Network admin

[Un]fortunately there is no way to skip account password. If you
forgot it that's the end with this account.

But, if you have some important mail inside you still can read it
through some other applications (one of them is Mailbox Assistent, or
something like this).

Only way to access this account is to recollect password, whether this
could be realized by ordinary old god concentration, deep[er]
meditation, or hypno-seance (be careful with the last one, since it's
possible to discover more than... appropriate).

Though I hope, father locked nothing important, since he was just
playing around with the Bat.

Mandara
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Re: e-mail geniuses figure this out!

2002-04-24 Thread Mandara

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On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, at 15:46:01  +0200 Miguel wrote:

MAU Please do not confuse the average TBDUL user and take this
MAU question/issue to the TBBeta list.

With a deep respect, there is no average TB user. Average users
doesn't use TB. And beta versions have beta sufix. Dave's one is
just g[ee] one.

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Re: e-mail geniuses figure this out!

2002-04-24 Thread Mandara

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On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, at 10:38:58  -0500 Greg wrote:

M With a deep respect, there is no average TB user. Average users
M doesn't use TB. And beta versions have beta sufix. Dave's one is
M just g[ee] one.

GS With all due respect apparently the users who post to the TBBETA list
GS don't think so.

GS I am a new user to TB! and am quite pleased with it to date and
GS read/scan all messages in TBUDL, TBBETTA,  TBOT because I'm learning.
GS Without getting into specifics I will say some users have interesting
GS view points of other users of TB! that post to TBUDL. I WILL say some
GS comments that I've read should NOT be posted to ANY list.

My deep apologies to all if I said anything incorrect above. Off
course I'll have nothing against if I said correct things. Also I am
ready to take any responsibility if I said anything partially
[in]correct. I'm always ready to change my opinion if is not in tune
with reality. I agree with all what You said and believe in it. Let's
share our resources of knowledge and education in a noble manner, as
always.

With a fully deserved respect,

Mandara
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Re: e-mail geniuses figure this out!

2002-04-24 Thread Mandara

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On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, at 18:59:40  +0200 Miguel wrote:

 I'm always ready to change my opinion...

MAU Only wise men are ready to change their opinion. :-)

I'm always ready to change my opinion if is not in tune with
reality.

My full quotation, just for the sake of correctness. :) Since
animadversio est mater[tera] sapientia.

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Re: e-mail geniuses figure this out!

2002-04-24 Thread Mandara

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On Wed, 24 Apr 2002, at 18:13:36  +0200 Miguel wrote:

 With a deep respect, there is no average TB user.

MAU Also with deep respect.

Yep. Accepted this way.

MAU First, I didn't say average TB user nut average TBUDL user,
MAU which is different.

Please accept my solemnest apologize, but I would stress that both
expressions are definitely a contradictio in adjecto; TBUDL user nay
much more than TB user, since it indicates that a common user got
to learn even more about h{er|is} favorite fellow mailer. I would go
even further and say that even in a moment of using Bat only once, a
[wo]men is not same one anymore: it is a moment when s/he transcended
a tiny red line between average and initiated. From this moment
on, s/he deserves title initiated user (which is equal to TB[udl]
user and non-equal with average in any sense), because nothing is
same anymore and s/he entered the realm of a real software, so that
twilight zone of Doubtlook Distress and similar immortal jokes are
definitely finished and abandoned forever.

MAU And second, and whether you like it or not, when there is 2 or
MAU more of something (TB or TBUDL users in this case), there is
MAU always_ and _average_. A different story is if the average
MAU _level_ is high, medium or low. But there is an average.

To say most honestly, I don't think that mathematics is a matter of
liking or not. Regardless this, I am tending to humble say that by
ordinary I meant nothing dealing with quantity but with proprieties.

 Average users doesn't use TB.

MAU With all respect to the average users that you seem to look down on
MAU because they don't know how to set up a template with a macro to tell
MAU us what time it is where they live...

With much more than all respect, you mixed me with an other reverend
fellow member of this noble list: I never dealt with any user here
having problems with macros.

MAU Yes, of course! I forgot that we TB users are all geniuses!

Hmmm... ;-) V  (^_^)  V

MAU And with much more and real respect, because she is a lady and also
MAU perhaps because of her age, Melissa's mother uses TB. From what
MAU Melissa tells us, would you consider her average, above or below
MAU average?

If we follow with respectable attention my previous exposure, we can
remark that term average, leastways in a way I'm using it, is
related to technical knowledge/skill, but no way to judging about
personal proprieties of any reverend person here, or anywhere, nearer
or not so near. Personally, I'm still pretty interested in this moment
about two cases here: about recovering Melissa's mother's
databases (tbi, tbb) and about forgotten password of Roelof's father,
because such things are some of the most painful and hardest to solve
when happened. Unfortunately I'm not sure that I can offer more than
others and moi already offered, but who knows, I'm still trying to
find something out.

And, at the end, a direct answer to your question, and according with
all what is already said: persons dealing with the Bat cannot be
considered as average, neither as persons nor as users. We have,
I'd say, a rare honor to have such parents who are able to get in
clinch with a peeks of the modern science (and fiction, I'd add), so
it is also our honor we may teach them, very patiently, how to manage
with it. Do you know how much time I spent with my mother (70+ years)
until she could drive Mercedes CLK-GTR in Need for Speed III? Next
she have to learn is driving El Nio (in pursuit/cop mode). So you
see now...

With a respect deeper than ever,

Mandara
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Re: Folder colours

2002-04-23 Thread Mandara

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On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, at 13:50:57  +1200 Carren wrote:

CS I have one of my accounts set up with multiple folders and sub folders
CS for all my list mail. All the received folders are blue. I have no
CS recollection of making them blue - they just are! I have just created
CS another set of folders/sub folders for yet another list I have
CS subscribed to, but the received folder in this tree doesn't appear
CS as blue. Is there anyway I can make it the same colour as the others?

Color of the folders signifies state/status of the mail inside. If you
have unread messages, then folder is blue. If you have unread messages
in subfolder[s], then main folder is marked with red check[ing] sign,
etc.

If you like to turn blue colored folder in yellow one (as others are),
then you just make all messages in it read. But I wouldn't do that
just for a color game. :-)

+ Principle of painting of folders is, therefore, status of messages
inside.

Experiment a bit, and you'll find more meanings about colors. Have a fun
fun.

Mandara
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Re: startup prompt re file extensions .eml and .vcf

2002-04-23 Thread Mandara

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On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, at 12:55:12  +0200 Gerard wrote:

DH I'd say Yes to the dialogue.

G And you have to say YES over and over again.
G Can't TB! remember this setting and change it automatically?

Certainly yes, indeed. Go to Options | Preferences | Applications,
then check .VCF, push Associate now, say OK - and that's it. Your
leg will not be pulled anymore.

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Re: 1.60c and importing mail from Netscape 6.2.1

2002-04-23 Thread Mandara

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On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, at 17:13:28  +0100 Marck wrote:

MDP As Allie wrote to George at that time chuckle I think your using
MDP Netscape is pretty unusual these days.;-) As a result no-one seems to
MDP be sharing your problems.. It was a tongue-in-cheek reply but
MDP effectively what it means is that not enough noise was made at the
MDP time for RIT to have issued a fix for any Netscape import problems.

Hmm. Netscape (especially v6.x-) is not pretty unusual these days at
all. :-) That what is unusual, IMHO, is that BAT's versions 1.6x+ have
loads of bugs and omissions. First time when I saw this I thought that
programming team is changed.

Else, with Bat's versions prior to 1.6x importing from NC (etc) works
excellently. I don't know for NC versions 6.x since I don't use
bloated software. Maybe is a solution for Andrew to install some 1.5x
Bat version and do import that mail from NC; then he can switch to new
version, if he'd like it.

Mandara (v1.53d)
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Re: List of files and registry keys for un-install??

2002-04-23 Thread Mandara

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On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, at 10:36:30  -0400 Andrew wrote:

AH Is there a complete list somewhere of files installed and registry keys
AH created or modified by installing The Bat? I get an error message trying
AH to un-install from Windows control panel and I'd like to remove all
AH traces... TIA.

RegKeys are here: HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat! For an
[de]install log file nothing is known to me.

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Re: List Rules and threading (to Dierk)

2002-04-23 Thread Mandara

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On Tue, 23 Apr 2002, at 20:55:14  +0200 Dierk wrote:

DH Hopefully I was coming through as patient - although I admit having
DH been a bit more uneasy than usual on this list. Which has nothing to
DH do with Andrew, but only with the growing amount of these kinds of
DH messages (wrongly threaded, completely new topic, no change of subject
DH line).

Fool Moon approaches. Sometimes is not easy. Let's keep the smile. g

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Browsing by first letter was: Re: (no subject)

2002-04-22 Thread Mandara

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On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, at 05:41:57  -0500 Allie wrote:

...
ACM Only the user can tell if he has a need for such a tool.
...

Btw, there is a very annoying bug in versions 1.60x: you cannot browse
folders/accounts anymore by first letter of their names. I have ~350
folders in 20+ accounts with specific character(s) at the beginning of
name of each account (#) and main folders' names (1, 2, 3, , $, *...)
which was of the great advantage when I have to find things quickly,
and all of that is now completely useless. Aside any other things, it
is main one which is keeping me away of those versions. Is there any
chance for this to be fixed soon?

Mandara  [v1.53d]
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Re: My mom does it again!

2002-04-22 Thread Mandara

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On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, at 11:52:46  +0100 Christopher wrote:

...
CTD Maybe if the confirmation said Delete 9,043 Messages from Inbox
CTD instead of Delete 9,043 Messages then you would have an extra
CTD warning that you weren't emptying the Trash folder?

Hmmm... Maybe some (screaming) sound too.

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Re: AV Plug-ins vs. Not

2002-04-22 Thread Mandara

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On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, at 06:10:56  -0500 Michael wrote:

 How does one actually use dispatch from within TB to delete mail at
 the server?

DH When you open the Mail Dispatcher and it connects, you see the
DH different columns. If a message is only checked for deletion, TB! does
DH send the DELETE command to the server.

MD OK, I'm slow, so bear with me... :)  That means ONLY the delete flag
MD should be checked?

Yep. :)

All what is checked will work, all what doesn't will not.

By default receive and delete is checked. So you have to un-check
receive and leave delete as is, if you don't like some mail.

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Re: Browsing by first letter

2002-04-22 Thread Mandara

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On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, at 07:21:38  -0500 Allie wrote:

M Btw, there is a very annoying bug in versions 1.60x: you cannot
M browse folders/accounts anymore by first letter of their names. I
M have ~350 folders in 20+ accounts with specific character(s) at
M the beginning of name of each account (#) and main folders' names
M (1, 2, 3, , $, *...) [...]

CT Works here.

ACM I didn't know of this feature but it works here as well.

You guys have some f and g versions - where can I d/l them,
please? That what I reported was about c, d, and maybe e (since
I gave up after previously mentioned ones).

Maybe is not bad to say more precisely: if I try to browse this way
it shows first hit, and sometimes second one, but doesn't go further.
So, if I have to browse by character # through 10 News folders
marked as # News it will hit first and maybe 2nd one, but will not
hit rest of other 8, it simply stops.

Mandara
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Re: Browsing by first letter

2002-04-22 Thread Mandara

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On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, at 16:04:16  +0200 Roelof wrote:
...

M Btw, there is a very annoying bug in versions 1.60x: you cannot
M browse folders/accounts anymore by first letter of their names. I

CT Works here.

ACM I didn't know of this feature but it works here as well.

M You guys have some f and g versions - where can I d/l them,
M please? That what I reported was about c, d, and maybe e (since
M I gave up after previously mentioned ones).

RO The c-version also browses fine with first letters, not only with
RO first letters, but also by partial/full name, provided of course that
RO the focus is on the folder pane.

Not here. Of course, with appropriate focus.

M So, if I have to browse by character # through 10 News folders
M marked as # News it will hit first and maybe 2nd one, but will
M not hit rest of other 8, it simply stops.

RO You mean to say that you've got ten folders with the same name?

Yep. But in different accounts. Another example: I have prefix 1
before name of each account; this way I can switch fast between them.
For important folders, regardless accounts, I have prefix 2 etc.
So just by picking keys I find things in seconds.

RO I can't switch between different folders with the same name,

You cannot even *make* folders with a same name in a same level. But
if they are not in the same level, and still have same name - you can.
It is same as in Winblows Explorer. But this is word about *first
letter* (of a name) here as a reference, not about entire name.

RO can't switch between Inboxes, but for the rest

If you have no other folders beginning with I you can easily switch
between Inboxes through accounts.

It seems we couldn't understand each other.

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Re: IFrame.Exploit virus

2002-04-22 Thread Mandara

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Go to Account | Properties | Mail management, and check

+ Invoke automatically at each mail check and
+ Show all messages left on the server.

Then, each time you check this account you'll have displayed list of
messages on server with an option to delete them, amongst all other
nice options.

Mandara

On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, at 14:05:15  -0400 ETM wrote:

E Because I couldn't make that work smile.

E Elaine

E Hello Peter

E On Monday, April 22, 2002, you wrote

 Why not using 'Account' / 'Dispatch mail on Server' / 'All messages'


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Re: Automatically store reply in same folder

2002-04-22 Thread Mandara

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On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, at 18:57:55  +0200 Roelof wrote:

G I would like a drop-down ( or even a pop-up) here which memorizes
G all my previous smtp servers.

RO I've been told that X-Ray is a nice tool for that purpose. X-Ray can
RO be found at: http://www.xrayapp.com/xray
RO I haven't used it myself, since I'm no roving mail user.

There are few days I'm using it, and can say it's an excellent and
very helpful little tool. It manages smtp servers on the fly too.

Mandara (the rover g)
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Re: My mom does it again!

2002-04-22 Thread Mandara

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On Mon, 22 Apr 2002, at 17:35:39  +0200 Dierk wrote:

 Yep. And if forgotten, some fine plug-in for desktop shaking.

DH Tilt! flashing.

Aaarrrgggaaa, hahahaha, haa...! Kkkhhhrrr...! Cough, cough...

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Re: The BAT! and NAV

2002-04-21 Thread Mandara

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On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, at 14:08:45  -0500 Dwight wrote:

 The three ~~~ also fail. It is a problem with the %QUOTE macro
 generally used in reply templates. It just tries to be too smart.

DAC If I am not misunderstanding your complaint, I'm not experiencing your
DAC problem.



Only if you put those --- as the first ones in line. You see,
nothing in reply downward after them.

(Btw, - are used in code for striping PGP sigs in replies, so if
somebody doesn't like it (sigs), s/he could put some -s here and
there, just to play a little. (-;)

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Re: AV Plug-ins vs. Not

2002-04-21 Thread Mandara

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Hi Miguel,

On Fri, 19 Apr 2002, at 17:47:28  +0200 you wrote:

 I can't find any advantage even of monitoring traffic at all. By my
 experience it is much faster (and cheaper, regarding resources and
 online time) to use some real-time AV monitor which will react if you
 try to deal with infected attachment.

MAU There is definitely an advantage in monitoring traffic because not al
MAU virus are spread in attached files.

[...]

I agree. And this is only spot which is not quite clear to me: if some
nasty html code arrive in mail (not attached but embedded) would a
real-time AV monitor detect it? Since we are using Bat, which has own
rendering html machine, and since the trojan we consider here is
writen for IE engine, it seems that there is no need to be nervous.
Any way, a good AV monitor should discover *any* virus activities,
regardless way of its execution. So if I could go to see this message
with embedded html, and if I activate some nasty link, script or
whatever - then AV should react, in a same secure way as if virus
would start from an attachment. Am I right?

I just cannot see why would POP scanner discover something which is
not possible for HD scanner?

If this AV database would discover something during POP scanning, it
must discover it on HD too.

Mandara
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Re: A good tool: Win32.Klez worm sent by me via The Bat!?

2002-04-20 Thread Mandara

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On Sat, 20 Apr 2002, at 18:31:39  +0200 Peter wrote:

PP Win9x http://www.free-av.de/personal/en/win9x/avwin9xp.exe

AntiVir Personal Edition (today's update, newest version)
unfortunately cannot detect even old viruses/trojan/worms, as Weird,
Magistr etc are.


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Re: square brackets and rfc822

2002-04-18 Thread Mandara

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On Thu, 18 Apr 2002, at 19:09:39  +0200 Miguel wrote:

 The problem is that such a large proportion of the messages on TB
 lists suffer from an overabundance of autogenerated fluff.

MAU Fully agree.

 In the context of the list, a PGP sig only proves someone is capable
 of installing and using PGP, and little else

MAU With full respect for those who use it, fully agree again.

:) Guys, if you mind, please bear in mind that people are not such
nuts (with full respect) to complicate their lifes by using crypto
codes around, and all this for nothing. I agree I'd myself very like
to avoid this hashed signatures, or would like more if is possible to
put them somewhere else instead in message body, but this is not
possible, or not yet.

May I suggest you to use this RegExp which will automatically cut all
that crypto and footer stuff off when you hit reply? It is enough to
put this code (in one line, without ) in your reply template:

%quotes=%SETPATTREGEXP=(?is)(\n*-BEGIN PGP
SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-*?\s*?--\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|-BEGIN
PGP
SIGNATURE.*s?\n|-+\s*.*roups.*~-~.*-*_-)|\z)%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=%text%SUBPATT=3

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Re: Additional headers?

2002-04-16 Thread Mandara

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On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, at 10:22:47  +0100 David wrote:

DE x-ray from http://www.xrayapp.com you can do it with
DE this.

M Hm, is there some other link, please? Flash Get can't connect all day
M to this one.

RO It connects ok over here.

DE If you want I can dig it out from my archive and send it to you off list.

Thanks a lot David, Michael already sent me (thanks Michael again!),
and above all I found that this link is OK but a tough Linux server on
the other side don't like Flash Get - user agent Flash Get: access
forbiden :-D - (probably because it's spyware, though I did surgery
work on it). I have to bear it in my mind for the next time if I
couldn't get some connection for a longer time. ;)

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Re: The Bat remains in RAM

2002-04-15 Thread Mandara

On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, at 11:46:03  +0200 BlueStrike wrote:

RO Hello BlueStrike,

RO On Mon, 15 Apr 2002 10:54:30 +0200GMT (15-4-02, 10:54 +0200GMT, where
RO I live), you wrote:

B After ending The Bat, the program remains in RAM
B and occupies between 92 and 96% of the CPU's
B utilization time.

RO Is the connection centre still active?

B Thanks for your quick reply.

B Not that i could tell. If i wouldn't have checked the
B task manager because my PC been totally blocked i wouldn't
B know that thebat.exe is still running. There are no parts
B visible also not the connection center.

B Is it because of the MAPI integration? I have no clue at all.

I have no idea what happens too and this is reason I am here now. In
general v1.60c takes extremely amount of RAM, aside any other things.
This strange usage of RAM was reason why many of people I know gave up
and got back to previous versions, including me.

Well, it also blocks (often) when I have to close it, and when I go to
close it via task manager it blocks PC. Also there are strange
conflicts with other applications, after which PC blocks.

And, always when I back to old version (this one) everything is
working like a baby.

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Re: Additional headers?

2002-04-15 Thread Mandara

On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, at 13:38:59  +0200 Per wrote:

PG And to get back on topic - I just tested it and their software requires the
PG exact header to be present so the comment thing won't work.

;) Anyway you can play a little with analyzers:

%COMMENT=%COOKIE='A:\Path\ToSilly\Cookie.file'

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Re: Additional headers?

2002-04-15 Thread Mandara

On Mon, 15 Apr 2002, at 12:54:08  +0100 David wrote:

DE However if you get x-ray from http://www.xrayapp.com you can do it with
DE this.

Hm, is there some other link, please? Flash Get can't connect all day
to this one.

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Re: The Bat remains in RAM

2002-04-15 Thread Mandara

On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, at 00:26:08  +0200 BlueStrike wrote:

B I agree, looks like i have to switch to an older release of TB.
B Which older version is doing it for you?

This one, 1.53d, is working quite well and stable to me.

Mandara
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Re: Additional headers?

2002-04-15 Thread Mandara

On Tue, 16 Apr 2002, at 02:34:58  +0200 Roelof wrote:

DE x-ray from http://www.xrayapp.com you can do it with
DE this.

M Hm, is there some other link, please? Flash Get can't connect all day
M to this one.

RO It connects ok over here.

Thanks, it helps. :-)

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Re: Still two browser windows opening

2002-04-14 Thread Mandara

On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, at 07:41:34  +0100 Clive wrote:

 http://ftp.te.fcu.edu.tw/cpatch/www/myie/source/myie32e.zip
 Size: 392KB, no setup, no messing with registry, no
 files in system.

CT This URL doesn't respond. Any others that do work?

You could try to get in the ftp directory first
http://ftp.te.fcu.edu.tw/cpatch/www/myie/source/, then pick up the
file. There is even smaller one, myie32de.zip 259 KB, without DLLs, for
modern Winblows.

Only other solution is to go at home page and take a challenge with
Chinese language, though it is only kanji (simplified sort of)
http://changyou.mainpage.net/ If you do that, pay attention on
infrequent English and check (by overmousing) the links on the left,
up. If you're speaking Chinese, no problem.

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Re: Still two browser windows opening

2002-04-14 Thread Mandara

On Sun, 14 Apr 2002, at 05:49:18  -0700 Ken wrote:

KM Here is another location, in English, for MyIE.

Thanks to all who sent alternative addresses! :)

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Re: system crash or How to Refix The Bat! Structure in Seconds

2002-04-13 Thread Mandara

On Fri, 28 Sep 2001, at 13:22:13  -0700 Melissa wrote:

MR On Friday, September 28, 2001, at 1:00:11 PM PDT, Jan Rifkinson wrote:

   Troubles here.

   Yesterday W2K registry crapped out on me which required HD
 reformat. 
   I copied the entire TB! folder prior to the crash.

   I've re-installed TB!

   I have the original folder stucture (no msgs)
   I don't have the original filters
   I can't figure out how to retrieve my original AB
   What else should I consider?

MR Hello Jan,

MR I recently did the same thing (re-format/re-install), and had no
MR trouble restoring all my mail - and my address book(s). I did have to
MR adjust a few minor things with my filters, and I had to remind TB!
MR about all my additional accounts (more on this below)...

MR I saved my entire TB! folder onto a CD-R.  The *essential* folder
MR within that installation to save was Mail.  This included all the
MR account information, mail, filters, address book, and a few other
MR assorted bits.

MR Since everything saved to CD-R was converted to read only, when I
MR copied the files over to my clean HD, I converted them back to
MR archive.  Then, I copied all the contents of the backed up Mail
MR folder into the new installation's Mail folder.  Then...

MR I had to *start* to create all the accounts again in TB!, and the
MR moment I typed in the proper name for each account, the rest was
MR recognized right away by the new account wizard, and all was well
MR again.

MR I hope this helps.

MR Melissa

Hm, it is a bit an old message, but I didn't see any solution as one
which I'd have to offer. After lots of moving around with the complete
TheBat folder structure and all the mail inside, and doing same what
you described here (but 20+ times for each account), I perceived that
if I go to Winblows' Registry (regedit.exe) and find the registry key
under [HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT\The Bat!] and if I save it
*completely* (select RIT or The Bat!) as a .reg file (you can use
file name gimmie back my Bat settings Now) - only what I have to do
next time is to unpack archive (I'm packing entire The Bat! folder[s]
at once) and to double-click at saved .reg file. And voila, I'm just
l[a]unching Bat after that and *all* is in its old good place and
order. :-)

It is especially handy to me since I have 20+ various accounts. I
suppose it would be of some help, regardless the fact that it is a
spring answer to an autumn question. :)

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Re: Still two browser windows opening

2002-04-13 Thread Mandara

 On Sat, 13 Apr 2002, at 17:36:44  +0200 Dierk wrote:

DH From the name I gather - and it's only a guess - that MyIE uses the
DH same core as IE. As does, BTW, NetCaptor.

Yes, MyIE does it, since it is actually an enhancer, a filter,
pace-maker (and very good one btw), not a standalone browser. It is
good for those who cannot avoid usage of Idiot Explorer and is an
excellent bypass for it, putting IE's engine under an different (and
better) control. Crazy Browser use IE's core too, but MyIE is nearer
to NetCaptor. Scope (same bypass category) uses both IE and Mozilla
cores.

MyIE could be considered also as a persistent patch for IE, and in
this sense is better than other mentioned ones. So if you have a good
firewall, and maybe Proxomitron too, you really can use IE's 40+ MB in
a useful and very snug way. It is amazing what those micro applications
can do.

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Re: Still two browser windows opening

2002-04-13 Thread Mandara

On Sat, 13 Apr 2002, at 19:13:26  +0100 Dave wrote:

M Yes, MyIE does it, since it is actually an enhancer, a
M filter, pace-maker (and very good one btw), not a
M standalone browser.

DC This is very interesting ... I love Opera for its speed and,
DC specifically, for the fact that I can have several windows open
DC and doing things at once and see them all easily distict from the
DC other apps open at the bottom. Can I do that with MyIE?

You can do *much* more with it. I forgot to say that all of those
enhancers are tabbed and MyIE is most capable in this regard, it can
open by default 100 (hundred) tabs at once (and you can set it for +
or -). Each of those tabbed windows inside can be treated as different
documents opened in Word, for example, arranged horizontally,
vertically, minimized etc. But it is a bit OT thing, I guess, so maybe
is better and easier to download it and see directly how it works,
since list of features is a bit long. :) All of those browsers are
very tiny, MyIE is archived in about 400 KB. It starts in 4- seconds
to me (IE in ~10), together with Proxomitron. Difference in speed of
browsing is even greater. You can download it here and see yourself:
http://ftp.te.fcu.edu.tw/cpatch/www/myie/source/myie32e.zip
Size: 392KB, no setup, no messing with registry, no files in system.

I've been trying Opera too, for the same reasons, but if you can put
in reasonable use something already nestled in HD - and even in a
better way, isn't that a better solution?

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Re: Still two browser windows opening

2002-04-12 Thread Mandara

On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, at 22:03:49  +0100 Dave wrote:

DC I have the same problem with IE 6, but not with Opera 6.01 or,
DC indeed, NN 6.22 ... be nice to have a solution, eh?

You could try Crazy Browser or, better, MyIE and set them as
default browsers. Scope would be preferred solution if you want to
use both IE and Mozilla engines in/at on[c]e.

But if you use MyIE you don't need anymore Opera, since you can have
same (and even better) control with it. Aside that MyIE is only ~400
KB (rely on IE engine) and is free.

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