Re: Outlook Calendar emails
Hi Tom, > On 6 Jul 2018, at 04:33, Tom wrote: > > I don't need any function to add these to a calendar or similar but > just would like to be able to read the content of the email easily > without all the added "background info. Is > there anything I can do about this? > > Please see below an example: > >> BEGIN:VCALENDAR >> PRODID:-//Microsoft Corporation//Outlook 14.0 MIMEDIR//EN >> VERSION:2.0 >> METHOD:REQUEST >> X-MS-OLK-FORCEINSPECTOROPEN:TRUE >> BEGIN:VTIMEZONE >> TZID:AUS Eastern Standard Time >> BEGIN:STANDARD >> DTSTART:16010401T03 >> RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=1SU;BYMONTH=4 >> TZOFFSETFROM:+1100 >> TZOFFSETTO:+1000 >> END:STANDARD >> BEGIN:DAYLIGHT >> DTSTART:16011007T02 >> RRULE:FREQ=YEARLY;BYDAY=1SU;BYMONTH=10 >> TZOFFSETFROM:+1000 >> TZOFFSETTO:+1100 >> END:DAYLIGHT >> END:VTIMEZONE >> BEGIN:VEVENT >> ATTENDEE;CN=t.com.au;RSVP=TRUE:mailto:xxx.com.au >> ATTENDEE;CN="Txxe";RSVP=TRUE:mailto:com.au >> CLASS:PUBLIC >> CREATED:20180705T065330Z >> DESCRIPTION:Gentlemen\, just a diary note for our Tuesday get together. I c >> an’t live without these things in my Outlook. Can reschedule time of day >> if required\, so I’ve set a reminder for first thing in the morning for >> us all.\n\nRegards\nEddie\n >> DTEND;TZID="AUS Eastern Standard Time":20180710T15 >> DTSTAMP:20180705T065330Z >> DTSTART;TZID="AUS Eastern Standard Time":20180710T13 >> LAST-MODIFIED:20180705T065330Z >> ORGANIZER;CN="xxxs":mailto:xxx.com.au >> PRIORITY:5 >> SEQUENCE:0 >> SUMMARY;LANGUAGE=en-au:Eddie - first week thoughts >> TRANSP:OPAQUE >> UID:04008200E00074C5B7101A82E008A02B84B38014D401000 >> 01000B1DC1B048952AB4D82F1B56B617985CF >> X-ALT-DESC;FMTTYPE=text/html: N">>\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n\n>Gentlemen\, just a diary note for our Tuesday get together. I can’t >> live without these things in my Outlook. Can reschedule time of day if req >> uired\, so I’ve set a reminder for first thing in the morning for us all >> .\n\n >> Regards\n\n>Eddie\n\n\n>> >> X-MICROSOFT-CDO-BUSYSTATUS:TENTATIVE >> X-MICROSOFT-CDO-IMPORTANCE:1 >> X-MICROSOFT-CDO-INTENDEDSTATUS:BUSY >> X-MICROSOFT-DISALLOW-COUNTER:FALSE >> X-MS-OLK-AUTOSTARTCHECK:FALSE >> X-MS-OLK-CONFTYPE:0 >> BEGIN:VALARM >> TRIGGER:-PT360M >> ACTION:DISPLAY >> DESCRIPTION:Reminder >> END:VALARM >> END:VEVENT >> END:VCALENDAR These are called iCalendar files, normally saved in .ics files and usually they should look like an attachment of this type. The format is similar to vCard files, except that they contain calendar items instead of address book items. Maybe they can come up with a viewer for these that displays the most important information like subject, description, localised date and time, attendees (people invited) and whether it is a recurring appointment, like this one. You can tell by the RRULE lines which indicate a yearly recurrence on the first Sunday of april and oktober. -- Regards, Maurice Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Import problem
Listmembers: I am having difficulties importing some mail. I am taking over the job of someone who uses Windows Live Mail. At his place I have exported the mail folders that I need to a file folder on my external disk. Directly importing this from the file folder into TB! does not seem to be an option. After installing Windows Live Mail and importing it there, I was able to export it to my work Outlook and then import it into TB! but for some strange reason, TB! insists that all mails were created at the time they were imported instead of at the time indicated in the mail. In Outlook, the Sent and Received dates for the mails are listed properly. What is the best way to import these mails without losing the correct date-information? -- Greetings, Maurice Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 The Bat! v5.0.34.2; AJS v0.48; MyMacros 1.11a; Using OTFE with Aladdin eToken Pro 32k Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Migrating to IMAP?
Listmembers: I'm considering migrating to IMAP, but I'd like to keep all the mail that is currently downloaded locally to my TB! in a POP3 account. As I have several hundreds of folders and rules, this is quite an effort, so before I embark on this journey, I'd like to ask two things. 1) is there a 'best practice' as to how to go about this? 2) is there a way to have rules that auto-create folders for mails to be sorted into, to create IMAP ones. I've noticed that if I copy the rule from my POP3 account to my IMAP version, autocreated folders are local and not IMAP and I can't see a way to change them. Because there are several rules in my setup that make use of this feature, this could well be a show-stopper for me. If this cannot be amended, I will probably not even try going to IMAP. -- Greetings, Maurice Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 The Bat! v5.0.16.1 (BETA; ; AJS v3940.6634; MyMacros 1.11a; Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Migrating to IMAP?
Note added. -- Sent from my Android phone with K-9 Mail. Please excuse my brevity. Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Accidently Deleted Junk Folder
On Wednesday, April 14, 2010 at 21:17 (which was Thursday, April 15, 2010 at 06:17 where I am) Tim Hamm wrote: I accidently deleted my Junk folder and would like to be able to bring it back but what is the procedure for doing so? I guess I could recreate the folder but how do I get the icon back? Create a new folder and call it $JUNK$ -- Greetings, Maurice Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 The Bat! v4.2.33.9; ; AJS v0.0; MyMacros 1.11a; Current version is 4.2.23 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Sub Filters: can I create 'filter groups'?
On Monday, September 10, 2007 at 18:00 Roelof Otten wrote: Apart from %ABFromPhone you can use any address book macro, like %ABFromE-mail, I just used the Phone entry, because I don't use that and I wouldn't like folder names with email addresses, but YMMV. I actually changed the 'Known' filter a bit to do what I want with this. Everyone I regularly communicate with is in my addressbook. I like to keep conversations with people in my AB together, so after all the filters that handle lists, newsletters and whatmore, I have the 'Known' filter at the bottom that splits out all remaining incoming mails to folders named after the full name of the person as it is registered in my AB. Because this list would get too large, I've also made it to create an intermediate level of folders based on the first letter. \\HyperCube Maurice\Bekenden\%SETPATTREGEXP((.))%REGEXPBLINDMATCH(%ABFROMNAME)%SUBPATT(1)\5C%ABFROMNAME Where 'HyperCube Maurice' is my account name, and 'Bekenden' is the mail folder under which I want these user-linked folders to be created. A similar filter exists in my outgoing filters list, which of course uses %ABTONAME to make outgoing mails to contacts in my AB also go to their personal folder. The folders are set to have a threaded so I can easily follow conversations there too, just like with mailing lists. -- Greetings, Maurice Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 The Bat! v3.99.24; ; AJS v18.59432; MyMacros 1.11a; Current version is 3.99.24 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Accessing AB information
Listmembers: I know there are a lot of fields to access information in the addressbook, but I've noticed that I can only get at the first e-mail address with the %ABTOEMAIL macro. I'm prepairing a mailing to send to a number of my contacts to ask them if the information I have listed for them is correct/complete and would like to access the complete contents of this field. Is there any way to get at this? -- Greetings, Maurice Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 The Bat! v3.61.04 beta; ; Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.3; AJS v0.6; MyMacros 1.11a; Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Accessing AB information
On Tuesday, September 13, 2005 at 21:51 Richard Wakeford wrote: I put the ones I want to send the same message to in a separate group and then do a File/mass mailing. I think you misunderstand. This is how I go about the mailing itself too, but my question is about the content of the mailing that I'm creating. I've made a QT that, in part, looks like this: -- Persoonlijk -- Titel/aanhef: %ABTONAMEPREFIX Voornaam: %ABTOFIRSTNAME Tussenvoegsel...: %ABTOMIDDLENAME Achternaam..: %ABTOLASTNAME Achtervoegsel...: %ABTONAMESUFFIX Which produces an overview of the contents of the addressbook entry for the addressee currently processed by the mailing. The problem is that %ABTOEMAIL only outputs the first e-mail address entered in the field, and I'd like to display the entire contents of this field in the overview. Is there any way to get the full contents of the e-mail field from the AB into a mail? -- Greetings, Maurice Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 The Bat! v3.61.04 beta; ; Bayes Filter Plugin v2.0.3; AJS v0.6; MyMacros 1.11a; Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: threading configuration
On Tuesday, September 21, 2004 at 19:35 Jonathan Vangrootloon [JV] wrote: JV Yes, but it doesn't work. The replies of only one member of the JV list are detected as being in the same thread. But thanks for the JV idea ! Most likely, it will be very difficult, if not impossible to fix this. With all the possible variations that mailinglist software and people's e-mail clients might use to 'munge' the original subject, it is a sheer impossible task for the receiving end to try and make heads or tails from it. With each attempt to make TB! better at recognizing 'likewise' subjects, there is an increased risk of connecting unrelated messages to some other thread simply because the subjects look enough alike now. As suggested by Stuart, threading by references really is the way to go. The only problem being that some e-mail clients don't honor them. Most notably, my experience shows that people using the following will always cause mails to look as if they were new threads: * Hotmail (unless used with OE or some Hotmail popper) * AOL * Earlier versions of Eudora (ie. 2.1.2) * MS Outlook in combination with Exchange (the problem is Exchange) * Novell GroupWise (the problem is the GroupWise Internet Agent) * Webmail interfaces from several providers There are, of course, also examples of things that _do_ work properly, and probably the only thing you can do is ask people to consider switching to a different or more recent version of their e-mail software or using an e-mail account from a provider whose webmailer doesn't strip the references/in-reply-to headers. As for webmail, luckily the yahoogroups interface works properly and if I'm not mistaken providers using webmail based on SquirrelMail are also in the clear. Other than this I don't have much experience with free e-mail providers through webmail; others may be able to comment on their experiences and that might give you some information to steer people in that group in the right direction. -- Greetings, Maurice Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 The Bat! v3.0.0.16; BayesIt! 0.6.6; Bayes Filter Plugin v1.5.4; AJS v0.6; MyMacros 1.11a; Useless Macro Collection 1.6.662/beta Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Using Thawte Certificates
On Tuesday, September 14, 2004 at 16:30 (which was Tuesday, September 14, 2004 at 17:30 where I am) Barry Wilkinson [BW] wrote: BW Can anyone tell me how to use/import a Thawte Personal Freemail BW certificate into The Bat! for use with s/mime? Just proceed with getting your certificate from Thawte for either IE or any other browser you normally use. Then, after you have completed the whole process, go into the certificate manger of the browser and export the newly received certificate to a file. Don't forget to put a strong password on the file, as you'll be exporting the private key as well. Then, from The Bat! you can import the certificate from the file you exported it to. -- Greetings, Maurice Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 The Bat! v3.0.0.11; BayesIt! 0.6.21; Bayes Filter Plugin v1.5.4; AJS v0.6; MyMacros 1.11a; Useless Macro Collection 1.6.662/beta Current version is 3.00.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What defines a mailto?
On Thursday, August 26, 2004 at 19:02 (which was Thursday, August 26, 2004 at 9:02 where I am) Allister Jenks wrote: Any idea why TB! does not recognise the following as a mailto: ? Well, in all actuality, it isn't a 'mailto:' considering the string 'mailto:' isn't part of it. It is a string of characters containing an '@'-sign that might or might not be an e-mail address or 'mailto:'-uri. Written like this: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] it is recognized and immediately useable. -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v2.13 Lucky Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: What defines a mailto?
On Thursday, August 26, 2004 at 20:19 (which was Thursday, August 26, 2004 at 10:19 where I am) Allister Jenks wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ...without specifying mailto:; at the front, TB! realises it is an email address and highlights it as such. True. My guess is that there is a limit to the length before the @ sign or the total length for TB! to consider it an e-mail address. -- Greetings, Maurice :nlflag2: Using The Bat! v2.13 Lucky Beta/7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 2.12.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Anyone caught Bagel?
On Thursday, March 25, 2004 at 22:11 (which was Thursday, March 25, 2004 at 17:11 where I am) Thomas Fernandez wrote: J What interested me though is this is the first I have read of a J trojan that is looking for TB! data files in addition to the typical J victims. While that is trur, I am not quite sure how you can get hit by that virus using TB. There are several wormvirusses out now that have .tbb and .abd listed as the files they will scan for e-mail addresses. While TB! protects us against the problems that the IE HTML-rendering in Outlook (Express) causes, there is no way any kind of software can protect against user stupidity. The recent versions of Bagle/Beagle and Netsky exhibit carefully wrought 'social engineering' to lure the unsuspecting end user to open the included attachment and run whatever is in there. Moreover, even though I use TB! as my main e-mail application, I still have several others installed in order to be able to help others (friends, people who get mail through my server) with their applications. Thus, it could happen accidentally to someone who is in a similar situation and didn't patch windows up completely and isn't running a local virus scanner that they could get hit by something and then it would still be advantageous for the worm to be able to gather addresses from the address books of other software. -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v2.05 Beta/12 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: POP3 over SSL
On Monday, February 16, 2004 at 23:19 (which was Tuesday, February 17, 2004 at 0:19 where I am) Michael Thompson [MT] wrote: MT Trouble is that I dont think TB Supports this. Can any one confirm MT if it does or does not support SSL, or am I just being thick? Yes it does. The Bat! supports both SMTP and POP3 over SSL and does so both to specific ports as well as by using the so called 'STARTTLS' methods available for both protocols. I'm using these myself to my own server to make sure no-one can eavesdrop on my POP3 and SMTP traffic from my laptop to my server and it works very well. Mind you that if the server uses a self-signed certificate you'll need to add the CA to the 'trusted root ca' address book in order for this to work. -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v2.04 RC/3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: POP3 over SSL
On Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 01:07 (which was Wednesday, February 18, 2004 at 2:07 where I am) Tb [T] wrote: T And where would I set these options? I have looked in Transport, T Authentication, but all I can see is a fe MD5 options, no StartTTLS In this dialog, both 'Send' and 'Receive' have an option 'Connection' which has a selection list after it. By default it says 'Regular' there, but they can also be set to 'Secure to regular port (STARTTLS)' or 'Secure to specific port (TLS)'. -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v2.04 RC/3 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: application/ms-tnef
On Friday, January 16, 2004 at 03:17 (which was Friday, January 16, 2004 at 2:17 where I am) Stefan Tanurkov wrote: As long as it's a non-profit development, it doesn't matter :-) On the other hand, Novell supports TNEF attachments in its GroupWise Internet Gateway nowadays. That makes for at least one example of a commercial organization supporting the format. -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v2.03 Beta/40 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: BugTrack Bug?
On Tuesday, January 13, 2004 at 13:16 (which was Tuesday, January 13, 2004 at 19:16 where I am) Chris [C] wrote: C Has anyone else been getting BugTrack e-mail messages in Russian? C My language is set to English. I have too, and my language preference is also set to English. It seems to depend on who made the last update to the bugtrack item; apparently you get the message in the language that is prefered by the person who last updated it. -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v2.03 Beta/31 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Copying Quick templates across accounts
On Wednesday, December 31, 2003 at 19:10 (which was Thursday, January 1, 2004 at 1:10 where I am) Allie Martin wrote: Which file is it that I copy across? Like Thomas said, ACCOUNT.QTN; you need to watch out for QT's that you've set to share with other accounts though, as you will get error messages if you have even just one of those and switch between the accounts with the duplicates. I myself prefer building QT's that are as account-independant as possible and just set all of them as 'shared' which makes them available to all accounts without having to copy over anything. -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v2.03 Beta/28 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v.2.02.3 overwhelmed
On Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 19:43 Edgar wrote: TBNLUDL? Do you have some links to join and the home site? [EMAIL PROTECTED] will get you on the list (after answering the confirmation request). There is no homepage in Dutch as of yet (that I know of). By the way, I'm the hoster/moderator of the Dutch TB! list. -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v2.03.16 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: 2.0 Underwhelmed...
On Tuesday, December 23, 2003 at 09:51 Edgar wrote: Although the help here in this group is great, It should not need to exist. There should be a good help system. Companies do not have the time to read loads of mailing list to find out how the e-mail client works. I will probably never cease to be amazed by the apparently omnipresent expectation that all software must be either self evident or otherwise self explanatory. In most every profession where some kind of tool is used, it is accepted that initially people need to learn how to use the tool unless such use is trivial. Business e-mail is, in my opinion, not a trivial tool. Just like business correspondence is not a trivial tool in doing business. I've heard of secretaries who are required to follow a course in official Dutch correspondence which is an evening course of several hours per week for a duration of 39 weeks. So, can someone explain why it is that a company pays money to have a secretary learn correspondence, but expects that same secretary to be able to properly use e-mail without any instruction or guidance? Or is it just that nobody cares. -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v2.03.16 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Follow-up header?
On Monday, December 15, 2003 at 23:53 Edgar wrote: In a mailing list where I'm a member, they want to post for every message a single mail. So replies to a message must not go under that mail, but it must go into a new mail. I would suggest finding a different mailinglist to discuss the topic as this is a very strange requirement for any mailinglist. Other than that, I don't think there is any way to have TB! remove the In-Reply-To and/or References headers when replying to a message. All I can think of is manually selecting the original text, creating a new message and alt-shift-ins (paste as quote) the copied text. -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v2.03.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with View Modes
On Sunday, December 14, 2003 at 23:31 (which was Sunday, December 14, 2003 at 17:31 where I am) Thomas Fernandez wrote: I don't know other software with view mode capabilities like this new version of TB, so I'll pass. I do. Novell's GroupWise has something similar, but the implementation is different and does not have a 'global' setting. Actually, TB! way of doing things has much more options than the way it is done in GroupWise. GroupWise only knows about folder-specific and named settings. There is no 'account default' or 'parent' setting available. Also, there is no way in GroupWise to apply a certain View mode to multiple folders at once, one needs to open the folder properties of each folder, switch to the correct tab, and select the view mode manually. Now, that doesn't mean there is nothing that is good about GroupWise's way of handling this feature. Instead of a context menu that selects a global viewmode, the context menu of the message headings allows changes to the configuration of the currently selected viewmode or folder specific settings such as adding new columns by selecting them from the drop-down menu (limited set with all others available through 'other columns' which invokes GroupWise's equivalent of the View mode configuration dialog). Also, in GroupWise it is possible to drag and drop the column headings to re-arrange them or remove them from the list of visible columns. If this were implemented instead of the dropdown with the globally applied View mode that is so easily misunderstood, the feature would gain useability while reducing the confusion thus killing two birds with one stone. -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v2.03.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.02.3 CE | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: K9 filter rules for TB!
On Tuesday, November 18, 2003 at 06:00 (which was Tuesday, November 18, 2003 at 15:00 where I am) Darrin [D] wrote: D I have a spam folder set up, but wish to create a filter rule D forX-Text-Classification: spam Im not sure what kind of rule to D make? Have the filter search for ^x-text-classification:\sspam in Kludges and activate the option for regular expressions on the Options tab. -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v2.01.26 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:
On Monday, October 20, 2003 at (which was Monday, October 20, 2003 at 21:43 where I am) Michael L. Cusac wrote: AFAIK, they are right about the RFCs, but I am amazed that they stand on that technicality on this issue. I'd think they would support 8-bit because their customers require it (and because the RFCs permit it). As it happens, this problem will be resolved shortly. I just received a mail from my ISP that this Wednesday they will be upgrading the mailservers to something that will support 8bit characters in mail. -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v2.01.15 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01.3 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:
On Sunday, October 19, 2003 at 11:54 (which was Sunday, October 19, 2003 at 20:54 where I am) Mark Wieder [MW] wrote: MW This is very cool. I didn't realize I could display Cyrillic MW characters without changing the language set. I don't see any of them except in the subject, the firs message came out like this here (partially): VE. VE ? VE (TheBat!) VE, VE . VE ., , VE , :( ( VE )., , , VE SMTP-( KievWeb) VE (). The reason? This: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit My ISP's mailserver strips any and all characters from e-mail that have the 8th bit set. Thus, in order to receive messages properly, I need to have mail sent to me in either Quoted-Printable of Base64 encoding. I've complained about it, but they insist that the RFC's don't require mailservers to support 8-bit content and will not change it. And as they are an otherwise excellent ISP, I have no intention of changing ISP's because of this issue. -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v2.01 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.01 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Suggestion for better message list view reading
On Friday, October 3, 2003 at 06:41 (which was Friday, October 3, 2003 at 12:41 where I am) Dz-Jay [DJ] wrote: DJ Oh, now I've done it. Go ahead TB demi-gods, flame away. I'm DJ already used to the rudeness and unfriendliness of this list. If you want to be treated 'rude' and 'unfriendly', join the qmail list; here people will still answer questions that have been asked a thousand times, on the qmail list, they'll reply asking whether Google and the list archives were down again. -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v2.00.22 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00.6 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: view threads by
On Sunday, September 28, 2003 at 02:24 (which was Sunday, September 28, 2003 at 9:24 where I am) Ken Green [KG] wrote: KG It appears that there may have been something to the use account KG default settings but I'm not sure. It does. For folders that do _not_ have the 'Use the account default column settings' set, the column selections, the width of the columns, on which column the mails are sorted and in which order as well as the threading setting are folder-specific. Folders that _do_ have the 'Use the account default column settings' set, share the column selections, width of te columns, sorting column and order and threading settings. -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v2.00.18 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Hiding standart folders (while using MyGate NEWS gate)
On Tuesday, September 16, 2003 at 12:22 (which was Tuesday, September 16, 2003 at 8:22 where I am) Alexander A. Gomanyuk [AAG] wrote: AAG Is it possibly to hide Inbox, Outbox, Trash, Inbox_Known, Sent Mail ? Of these, you will only be able to get rid of 'Inbox - Known'. Before removing it though, you'll need to change the 'Known' filter to send mails matching it to the regular Inbox. Then you can delete 'Inbox - Known' and it will stay away too. -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: bug: in-reply-to not recognized
On Saturday, September 20, 2003 at 01:33 Roelof Otten [RO] wrote: RO Something with bagend.shire as domain can't be correct, since RO there are no tld's containing more than four letters. That is no longer so. There is now a tld called .museum dig -t NS museum. ; DiG 8.2 -t museum. ;; res options: init recurs defnam dnsrch ;; got answer: ;; -HEADER- opcode: QUERY, status: NOERROR, id: 4 ;; flags: qr rd ra; QUERY: 1, ANSWER: 5, AUTHORITY: 0, ADDITIONAL: 0 ;; QUERY SECTION: ;; museum, type = NS, class = IN ;; ANSWER SECTION: museum. 23h58m17s IN NS ns1.getty.edu. museum. 23h58m17s IN NS ns-ext.vix.com. museum. 23h58m17s IN NS ns.icann.org. museum. 23h58m17s IN NS nic.icom.org. museum. 23h58m17s IN NS nic.museum. ;; Total query time: 4 msec ;; FROM: vortex.anwb.nl to SERVER: default -- 193.172.132.10 ;; WHEN: Tue Sep 23 16:04:54 2003 ;; MSG SIZE sent: 24 rcvd: 146 -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Templates
On Sunday, September 21, 2003 at 11:13 (which was Sunday, September 21, 2003 at 6:13 where I am) Thomas Fernandez [TF] wrote: TF Not from the vCard. Quite some time ago I added a wishlist item for this to the bugtracker: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0001250 -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v2.00.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.00 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Addressbook question
On Tuesday, August 12, 2003 at 14:46 (which was Tuesday, August 12, 2003 at 20:46 where I am) Steve M. Sawczyn [SMS] wrote: SMS I tried entering the addresses seperated by commas, but that SMS didn't seem to work. You can put them on separate lines. Then on the last tab you can select to have TB automatically add all but the first address to the BCC field whenever you e-mail this person. -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v2.0 Beta/1 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can I copy views?
On Saturday, July 26, 2003 at 19:25 (which was Sunday, July 27, 2003 at 1:25 where I am) Stefan Tanurkov [ST] wrote: ST It is also planned to make it possible to define various views (based ST on combination of the settings from the View menu) and switch between ST them quickly... That would make me an extremely happy camper! -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Strange problem moving mail directory
Listmembers,
I am on the board of a society that has a small office with two
employees. Being on the board is a voluntary job though. In order to
facilitate the two employees, I've set up a server that has the mail
on it. The server is a NetWare 6 server and the volume containing the
mail directories is mapped to drive Q: for the users.
Each user has their own named directory there, ie. Q:\Maurice for me
and Q:\Yvette for one of our employees.
The employee that does most of the mail work, Yvette, works on a
Windows 2000 workstation, which I've set up for her. She doesn't
really have an account with her name, but manages the general account
for our society. As a member of the board, I need to be able to
monitor that account as well, so in Win2k I've created multiple users
and set it up so that besides Yvette, I can also access the mail in
that directory.
At this office, I'm running 1.63r and not the beta by the way, as
listed in my sig.
Recently, because of problems I was having with the server hardware, I
was forced to move the mail from the NetWare server to the harddrive
of Yvette's Win2k workstation. I did this while being logged on as
myself because I needed the administrator rights to fix things in
several places.
After changing the apropriate values in the Registry ('Working
Directory'), I went back into The Bat! and all was well.
Then I switched to Yvette's login, changed the registry for her as
well and fired up The Bat! again, but now most of my folder structure
was missing. I was able to get them back using ctrl-alt-shift-l.
However, this only brings backs the folders and not their settings.
I have not yet tried to see what happens if I use my own account yet
(had to leave for work when this happened to me), but it does strike
me as odd that those settings should be gone when no beta version is
involved anywhere.
Any ideas?
--
Greetings,
Maurice
Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1
Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information:
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Re:Inline images (I know, I know...)
On Wednesday, June 25, 2003 at 15:23 (which was Wednesday, June 25, 2003 at 16:23 where I am) Steve Hill [SH] wrote: SH My question is this... why is this possible with this email but SH not with all the HTML newsletters and promotions I receive from SH the likes of Amazon, BBC, etc. The Bat! will only show images in HTML view if these images were included with the e-mail message. In addition to the .html you will probably have a list of one or more images in the attachment list. The Bat! protects you from inadvertant and unrequested connections to the Internet (in case of dial-up) and call-back systems used by certain spammers and advertisers by refusing to go on-line to get images that are referenced externally and weren't included with the e-mail. -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:TLS Connection
On Sunday, June 15, 2003 at 10:22 (which was Sunday, June 15, 2003 at 19:22 where I am) Ben Mills wrote: algorithm: RSA (1024 bits), issued from 15 Jun 2013 to 14 Jun 2016, for 1 host(s): mail.hwy39.net. 6/15/2003, 09:46:46: FETCH - Owner: Ohio, Nashville, mail, mail.hwy39.net, mail.hwy39.net, [EMAIL PROTECTED] 6/15/2003, 09:46:46: FETCH - This certificate is self-issued. 6/15/2003, 09:46:46: FETCH - Invalid server certificate (This certificate is not yet valid). Here's your problem, the certificate the server is presenting isn't valid yet. It is reported to be valid from 15 June 2013 to 14 June 2016, and TB requires the certificate to be valid. -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: TLS Connection
On Monday, June 16, 2003 at 10:25 (which was Monday, June 16, 2003 at 19:25 where I am) Ben Mills [BM] wrote: The certificate is valid from June 2003-June 2006. You can view it at https://www.hwy39.net:80/mail . OK, that had me jumping through some hoops as for (imho good) reason of security Opera refuses https-connections to port 80. Had to use Internet Explorer to get to this site; imported the certificate and it displays OK. Exported it to DER-encoded X.509 so I could import in The Bat!, which does indeed show the dates you saw in the log earlier. Just for verification, I then imported the certificate that I exported from IE into Opera to see what it showed and Opera shows yet another set of dates: march 6, 15.01.47 2020 to june 6 14.01.47 2020. I cannot determine what was used to generate this certificate, but it would seem that the way the date is encoded in the certificate, is ambiguous. I'll be using [EMAIL PROTECTED] (24-hour format) below. Tool IEThe Bat! Opera From [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:01:47 To[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED]:01:47 It's almost as if bits of information got shifted around. Only Opera shows the time to be listed in GMT; this could account for the '2' difference in the time component. In the case of Opera, the year (omitting the century) seems to have migrated to the month, the month to the day, the day to the hours, the hours to the minutes and the minutes to the seconds, discarding the original seconds. The difference of 10 years in The Bat! eludes me, but I've never seen a certificate behave this way. The fact that Opera too displays (yet another set of) wrong dates for the certificate is in my opinion an indication that something weird is happening with the certificate. Anyhow Eudora and a couple of Linux mail clients ( Kmail maybe ) all work with it fine. Are they? I don't have either of these two handy so I can't check, but how do they see the dates of the certificate. It could be that they only check for expiration, which in the cases of both Opera and The Bat! is way into the future here, so if an application doesn't take the From date of the certificate into consideration, this could result in 'working fine' when it actually just displays a flaw in those applications. -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/10 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:Multiple messages (was Re: Message Archive?)
On Thursday, June 12, 2003 at 16:33 Jernej Simoni [JS] wrote: JS Am I the only one who got about 10 copies of Stuart's messages JS (Re: Message Archive and Re: Sending signed messages) Unfortunately, you're not. -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re:SOT: How to kill Winmail.dat?
On Sunday, June 1, 2003 at 18:00 (which was Sunday, June 1, 2003 at 8:00 where I am) Allister Jenks [AJ] wrote: AJ A guy who normally sends me 200k HTML emails, this time sent me a AJ whopping 1.5Mb email that had about 1.5k of text and a AJ Winmail.dat. Welcome to the world of Microsoft. AJ I can see from snooping into the file it is created by Outlook and AJ I have asked him to deal with the problem. The senders of mails with winmail.dat attachments are usually totally unaware that their mail-client is sending these. Therefore, asking them to deal with it will not usually render much result as they are unaware that there is a problem. After all, they never see this attachment on either incoming or outgoing mail. AJ However, I'd like to understand what this file is and, if AJ possible, how/why Outlook creates it and how to stop it. Outlook incorrectly assumes that all recipients you are in contact with are also using outlook. As soon as Outlook thinks it needs to send additional information with an e-mail, or if the sender adds attachments, these get encoded into MS/TNEF format which only Microsoft's e-mail software recognizes (AFAIK, I have heard that the new release of the GroupWise Internet Agent will support this, apparently Novell decided to support this non-standard attachment type to get rid of all the support calls I guess this must generate). There is a tool called Fentun (http://www.fentun.com/) which is free and which will allow you to open winmail.dat files and extract the attachments stores within it. Note that smaller winmail.dat files usually contain nothing but additional MS-proprietary mail attributes and no attachments, in which case Fentun will show now file-list. -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Reply indicator after importing
Listmembers, This may be too much to ask, but I'm trying to find out if the following is possible: I've just installed The Bat! for a friend and imported his Outlook Express mailbox (which worked beautifully). What he misses though is the indicators on received mails that tell him whether or not he replied to the mail. Is there some kind of mass-mail option that we can use to get these back and make the Open Reply (Ctrl-BkSp) feature work for these messages. I've managed to search for the reply-message, but that doesn't bring the 'replied' indicator back. -- Greetings, Maurice Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.62q | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Where to find Virus protection plugins
On Wednesday, November 20, 2002, at 07:29:29 [GMT +0100] (which was 07:29 where I live) Chris Brouwer wrote: CB Still, I would rather have a virus scanner preventing an infected CB file even to reach my harddisk. Well, the main problem with using TheBat! and an on-access scanner is that it does exactly that. When TheBat! is downloading mail, it is temporarily saved to a file in the %TEMP directory. If an on-access scanner catches a virus there and blocks access to the file, TheBat! can no longer process the message and to TheBat! the message remains 'undownloaded'; as a result, each time it checks for mail again, a new warning will be received and short of using the Distpatcher to kill the offending mail off the server, there is no other way to solve this. CB On the other hand, I still would like to know how these TB plugins CB work, where to get them, etc. As much for technical curiosity as CB for trying to find out if I need to do more for my anti virus CB protection. It would be nice to have a combination of both. Using the on-access scanner for regular work, and the TB plugins for mailscan. One could tell the on-access scanner to skip the %TEMP directory and install an apropriate plug-in for the virus scanner; unfortunately, TB isn't the only program that uses the %TEMP dir, and other programs like news-software may use it to temporarily store incoming postings that should still be scanned. In order to solve that, one should be able to specify a TB specific %TEMP dir that could then be excluded without wreaking havoc on other sw. -- Greetings, Maurice ICQ: 15724776 | WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Using The Bat! v1.62/Beta7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 3 Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Mailinglists that don't set reply-to
Listmembers, Does anyone have a killer solution to handle mailinglists which don't use the Reply-To: header to direct replies back to the list? I just recently joined a few lists that are running on ezmlm which doesn't do this by default (I always modify that behaviour), and 'reply-to-all' includes the 'Sender:' address as well which means I always end up editing the To: and CC: manually to fix things. Moreover, the nicely looking 'Peter Rabbit on SOMELIST [EMAIL PROTECTED]' To: that I get on lists with 'reply-to' because of my templates also doesn't work for these lists. Is there a way to fix this? (short of asking them to add the reply-to which they probably won't do because I guess they're the ppl who are fans of that well-known article that argues that adding/modifying the reply-to in list-messages is 'evil') -- With kind regards, Maurice Snellen Using The Bat! v1.60m on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Large messages transformed into attachments
Listmembers, Has anyone else noticed that if the message text itself gets kind of large (my estimate is that this happens when messages are larger than half a MiB) TB! no longer displays the messagetext in the messagepane but instead shows an empty messagepane and treats the messagetext as an attachment? The attachment shows as a text-file named message.txt. I'm using TB! to handle the postmaster mailbox at work, and regularly receive return messages from bounced mail where the original is inserted in the messagetext by the MTA and that sometimes results in mails that easily exceed 15MiB. Besides being annoying because I have to open these text files in order to see what was the cause of the bounce; it also seems to interfere with the filtering system because filters on the message text are apparently not applied. Does anyone know of a way to turn this behaviour (turning the message into a message.txt attachment) off? -- With kind regards, Maurice Snellen Using The Bat! v1.60q on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
Attachment riddle
Listmembers, At work I use TB! so help me get through the huge amount of mails that comes in on the 'postmaster' account, simply because the filters are the most powerful and allow me to sort most mail out so that there's only a few left that I need to take a look at myself. Some of my users have the bad habit of setting a rule in their mailboxes (for all other purposes GroupWise is used as the company mail system) to forward all incoming mail to their Hotmail or other freemail mailboxes. Regularly, this means that they try to send a mail with the 10MB new quarterly report powerpoint presentation to these freemail addresses, which of course bounce because they don't allow messages of that magnitude. Consistently these bounces, which include the original message copied into them below the error message, appear in The Bat! as an empty message with a single attachment called message.txt. This forces me to doubleclick the file (holding my shift-key) to open it in my editor before I can establish who the culprit is (we keep tabs on it so we can warn users who regularly cause these bounces as it is inefficient use of the Internet bandwidth we have). However, if I press F9 on the message, the source viewer shows no evidence whatsoever that the incoming mail actually has an attachment. It seems therefore, that when the text-part of a message exceeds a certain size, The Bat! decides to turn it into an attachment. First of all I just considered this a minor nuisance, but since TB! doesn't clean the \TEMP\BAT directory until it's closed, this thing quickly starts to fill up with temporary textfiles as a result of opening the 'message.txt' files, especially if you have about 40 of them each weighing 15MB. I also noticed however, that these messages seem to be excluded from filters that are set to scan the body text of the message for the occurrence of something. This is used by my filters to identify the mails of people who repeatedly cause mail to bounce and where the only identification is in the address the message was originally sent to, which is then part of the errormessage of the mailserver that refused the message. So, the big question is: what is the threshold for this behaviour of turning message-text into an attachment, and is there any way to turn this off (and hopefully restore filtering of these messages as well)? -- With kind regards, Maurice Snellen Using The Bat! v1.60c on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
New: Dutch The Bat! mailinglist
Listmembers, By popular request I've set up a mailinglist which will be the Dutch The Bat! mailinglist. To subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- With kind regards, Maurice Snellen Using The Bat! v1.60c on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: maybe I'm dense but...
On Monday, April 1, 2002, at 03:35:41 [GMT +0100] (which was 4:35 where I live) John Galvin wrote: JG The only disadvantage i see with this, is when i go to compose a JG normal window, and i click on the AB to insert someones email JG address, I am confronted with all the spammers addresses. This can easily be avoided. Assuming you use only one addressbook for your autocomplete and don't depend on information in the LDAP-styled address books, you can simply create a new Address Book for the spammers and define a group 'Spammers' there. Then in the filter you can refer to that group (you need the group because the filter works with groups, not address books). In Options-Preferences-System you set autocomplete to work only from the standard addressbook (assigned to the account) and optionally include the input history. -- Greetings, Maurice ICQ: 15724776 | WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Using The Bat! v1.60c on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: The return of the zombies
On Saturday, March 30, 2002, at 01:28:19 [GMT +0100] (which was 2:28 where I live) Karin Spaink wrote: KS Currently I am witnessing the return of the Inbox-Known KS mailbox and filter _again_. I don't want to use the Inbox-Known mailfolders either, but there are a few accounts where I want to use the Known filter though. In any case I've noticed that you need to point the Known filter to your regular 'Inbox'. As a result, active or not, you can delete the 'Inbox-Known' mailfolders without them auto-returning. No wooden stakes, silver bullets or head-chopping required. -- Greetings, Maurice ICQ: 15724776 | WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Using The Bat! v1.60c on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dutch TB! users?
On Monday, April 1, 2002, at 20:30:20 [GMT +0200] (which was 20:30 where I live) Marion wrote: M Does anyone know if there is a Dutch language TB! users list? As indicated, the list that is currently available is a list that was set up to discuss the Dutch translation of 'The Bat!' that I'm doing. Also, as you can see in the header, I've changed my e-mail address so if you want to contact me directly, please use this instead of the address that was mentioned earlier. As RITLabs has released the IntPack by now, and therefore the translation is more generally available, we could go two ways: * Set up a separate discussion list for Dutch The Bat! users * Change the current list into a general discussion list There is no problem for me in running more than one list (I have several for multiple domains on my mailserver already). -- Greetings, Maurice ICQ: 15724776 | WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Using The Bat! v1.60c on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Dutch lang. interf. / Bug.
On Saturday, April 6, 2002, at 11:11:44 [GMT +0200] (which was 11:11 where I live) Haico wrote: H Format '%d' invalid or incompatible with argument. As the translator who made the Dutch translation, it would be my place to answer this. I've noticed this bug myself as well. The reason is a typo that caused '%d' to be in the translation instead of '%s' (the keys are next to each other on the keyboard). The corrected .LNG file (with English/Dutch in it) will be posted to the Dutch translation mailinglist shortly. To subscribe: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please note that this list is for discussion on the translating only, not for general questions about The Bat! in Dutch. A new list will be announced shortly for that purpose. -- Greetings, Maurice ICQ: 15724776 | WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Using The Bat! v1.60c on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: quotestyles
On Sunday, April 7, 2002, at 11:14:50 [GMT +0200] (which was 11:14
where I live) Dierk Haasis wrote:
DH Would clearly help with some mails from die-hard BBS users of
DH olden tyme, who use { or [ or | and what not ...
I come from the BBS world too. Die hard bbs users should learn to
comply with standard Internet netiquette. Not the other way around.
--
Greetings,
Maurice
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Re: Dutch lang. interf. / Bug.
On Sunday, April 7, 2002, at 20:03:33 [GMT -0600] (which was 4:03 where I live) Dwight A Corrin wrote: H Format '%d' invalid or incompatible with argument. I can confirm that DAC Not here. I just killed three dups in this folder successfully. Please note, this bug only comes up if there is nothing to clean up. -- Greetings, Maurice ICQ: 15724776 | WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Using The Bat! v1.60c on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 Current Ver: 1.60c FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Re: Problem with trash and read messages
On Friday, February 22, 2002, at 21:39:40 [GMT +] (which was 22:39 where I live) Alastair Scott wrote: AS Curiously, it's hardwired into TB!; mail in the Trash _cannot be_ AS unread. Actually, I'm thankfull for that. It was one of the things that was driving me crazy in OE because it kept saying that I had unread mail simply because I moved it to the trash. I prefer TB!'s behaviour. If something goes to trash, I don't want to be reminded of it being unread ever again. -- Greetings, Maurice ICQ: 15724776 | WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Using The Bat! v1.54 Beta/41 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Problem with trash and read messages
On Friday, February 22, 2002, at 16:06:30 [GMT -0500] (which was 22:06 where I live) Shoebuddy Jones wrote: SJ How do I prevent this? I've tried all sorts of SJ different settings but it's still marking them as read. The only solution to this is probably to create a separate folder and set your filter to dump the messages there. I use this method myself by having a folder called 'SpamTrap', this way I can still see which messages were sent to me and which are probably spam so I can still retrieve the ones that were inadvertently put their by my overzealous filter. -- Greetings, Maurice ICQ: 15724776 | WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Using The Bat! v1.54 Beta/41 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Purging, browsing, and other practical matters
On Tuesday, February 19, 2002, at 14:04:39 [GMT +0900] (which was 6:04 where I live) Yuki Taga wrote: YT But whenever I purge and compress and subsequently reopen a folder, YT the message list has lost the focus, and because of that the message YT list has scrolled all the way up to the beginning of the folder, Just press Ctrl-] and you'll be at the first unread message in the folder. -- Greetings, Maurice ICQ: 15724776 | WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Using The Bat! v1.54 Beta/41 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Folder Alphabetical Order
On Friday, January 25, 2002, at 01:24:21 [GMT -0800] (which was 10:24 where I live) Keith wrote: K Is there anyway to make the folder list be in alphabetical order? I K converted a Pegasus mailbox to TB and now everything is random order. Click on the 'Name' column header on top of the folder list. After confirming that this is what you want, your folders will be sorted alphabetically. -- Greetings, Maurice ICQ: 15724776 | WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Using The Bat! v1.54 Beta/31 on Windows 98 4.10 Build 67766446 A -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Automatic purging of *unread* messages?
On Tuesday, January 22, 2002, at 06:02:54 [GMT +1300] (which was 18:02 where I live) Allister Jenks wrote: AJ Is there a solution to purge the emails automatically from this folder AJ once they are X days old, *regardless* of whether they have been read AJ or not? That's odd because this is exactly what I'm using this feature for also, and it works like a charm here. -- Greetings, Maurice ICQ: 15724776 | WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Using The Bat! v1.54 Beta/31 on Windows 98 4.10 Build 67766446 A -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: messages list window jumping left and right
On Saturday, January 19, 2002, at 10:07:35 [GMT +0800] (which was 3:07 where I live) David Pascoe wrote: DP OK, I give in, why does the message list window sometimes get scrolled to DP the left when I come back to that folder ? If there is a pattern to when DP it happens I haven't been able to figure it out. It's sort of a feature. You probably have selected enough columns or changed the width of them so there is a horizontal scrollbar in the message list. Now, if you go back to the message list by clicking on a message and do so on the item that is at the edge of the screen (ie. the item that's not fully shown), The Bat! will scroll the message list left to put that column in full view. -- Greetings, Maurice ICQ: 15724776 | WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Using The Bat! v1.54 Beta/30 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: paragraph indenting
On Friday, January 18, 2002, at 16:16:42 [GMT -0500] (which was 22:16 where I live) David Denton wrote: DD Another question. Is there a simple way of indenting and DD reformatting paragraphs of preexisting text. Make sure you have 'Auto-wrap' and 'Auto indent' checked in Options | Editor Preferences. Then, you can press Alt-L in a paragraph that needs to be reformatted. Make sure that you've used the arrow-keys at least once if you placed the cursor in the block of text you want to reformat with the mouse or you'll have to press Alt-L a second time for it to work. It appears to ignore the first one in this case. -- Greetings, Maurice ICQ: 15724776 | WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Using The Bat! v1.54 Beta/30 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: The Bat! - suggestion: 'kill dupes' per folder
On 15 Jan 2002, at 23:28:30 [GMT +0100] (which was 23:28 where I live) Karin Spaink wrote: KS I'd love to have the 'kill dupes' facility available on KS folder level instead of on the account level. Ehm, you already do. It's in the context-menu of any folder. Also in the 1.53d, I just checked. -- Greetings, Maurice ICQ: 15724776 | WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Using The Bat! v1.54 Beta/28 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Wanted: testers for Dutch translation
Listmembers, I'm looking for people who are willing to test the Dutch version of the TheBat.LNG file that I'm making for RITLabs. Please contact me off-list if you want to help. I've tried not to make spelling errors, but there may be places where I'm overlooking things and it would help if others would have a look at it. -- With kind regards, Maurice Snellen Using The Bat! v1.54 Beta/29 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Filter - Extract selected address
On 14 Jan 2002, at 11:10:11 [GMT +0100] (which was 11:10 where I live) Jean-Baptiste Lavedrine wrote: JBL Anybody knows how to make it conditional. That is to say; if the JBL address is already in the address book, do not store it. Look at the 'Advanced' tab and scroll down using the scrollbar; there's an option 'Address(es) must not be listed in the address book'. -- Greetings, Maurice ICQ: 15724776 | WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Using The Bat! v1.54 Beta/28 on Windows 98 4.10 Build 67766446 A -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Moving through unread messages
On 13 Jan 2002, at 14:22:55 [GMT +0800] (which was 7:22 where I live) Thomas F wrote: TF I have opened all threads (crtl-*), but I don't know whether it makes TF any difference. It doesn't make a difference. I use Ctrl-] all the time and usually read mail from the main The Bat! window (view set to 'Full-height account tree'). The combination works, regardless of the focus being in account list, messagelist or preview pane and the threads don't have to be expanded for it to work. -- Greetings, Maurice ICQ: 15724776 | WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Using The Bat! v1.54 Beta/26 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Display Font
On 11 Jan 2002, at 08:12:25 [GMT -0700] (which was 16:12 where I live) GJim wrote: G After re-installing TB! (along with EVERYTHING else), I no longer have access to G the display font, within TB!, that I used to use (Andale Mono). Good choice! As explained before, this font doesn't come with Windows or Office, you'll have to download it from the Microsoft Typography page. In my case, it's located on my font-archive with over 19.000 fonts... -- Greetings, Maurice ICQ: 15724776 | WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Using The Bat! v1.54 Beta/26 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: 1.53t
On 12 Jan 2002, at 22:04:54 [GMT -0600] (which was 5:04 where I live) Joseph N. wrote: JN Anyone know how ver. 1.53t differs from 1.53d? Or how to expand the JN .rar file? RAR is a compressed archive format, just like ZIP. Most people use WinZip to decompress .ZIP archives, because they are the most widely used kind. Unfortunately, WinZip isn't too good at handling other often used archive formats such as .ARJ and .RAR. May I suggest switching to 'PowerArchiver' (http://www.powerarchiver.com/) ? It can do all the things that WinZip can, but supports much more types of archives. After I tried it, I virtually immediately trashed WinZip and haven't looked back since. -- Greetings, Maurice ICQ: 15724776 | WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Using The Bat! v1.54 Beta/26 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: filter not
On 2 Jan 2002, at 07:52:53 [GMT +0530] (which was 3:22 where I live) Raj wrote: R Or use the right click after selecting the filter to copy or simply use the R option of copy in the Filter window. The 'Copy' button doesn't do the trick here. It will copy the currently selected rule to new copy of it at the bottom of your list of rules. You'll have to use Ctrl-C on the keyboard or the context-menu. -- Greetings, Maurice ICQ: 15724776 | WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Using The Bat! v1.54 Beta/20 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Up and running again :-))
On 31 Dec 2001, at 12:22:38 [GMT +0800] (which was 5:22 where I live) Thomas F wrote: TF I keep telling everybody with virus problems that they must have TF actively done something to allow the virus to be active on their TF computers. Unfortunately, with the advent of viruses link Nimda and Badtrans-B, this is no longer the case. TF If there is a new technology and a computer can be infected by TF just web browsing (with the usual precautions), I'd like to know TF about it. The newer viruses, where this could be a problem, make use of bugs in browser software, mostly in IE, that allow them to infect and then spread. In the case of Nimda, the virus abuses a bug in IIS that allows the virus access to the webserver. Then, due to the fact that it has several means of distribution, it further attacks computers from there. So, if for instance, your company has a Windows NT or Window 2000 server that is not up-to-date with the latest patches, it may get infected with Nimbda if there is an IIS running on it. Nimda will then use shares and various other means to transport itself to other computers. Even using the default shares that WinNT/Win2k machines have if I'm not mistaken. Badtrans-B uses a bug in IE that allows it to run without the user having given permission. This is done by faking the MIME header and thus tricking IE into thinking that the file is a harmless image, when in fact is is a script. Because IE forgets to check the file extension after having decided that the file is safe based on the MIME header, it just runs the file as it is, without noticing that it's actually executing something completely different using the decision that it's safe that was made on the grounds of the MIME header. In any case: both the IIS problem and the IE MIME-thingy have meanwhile been fixed by Microsoft, but it requires keeping up-to-date with the latest updates and patches to guard you against these things. Mostly the bugfix comes after one or more viruses have shown the problem which is too late. Most people aren't that prudent with keeping their systems up-to-date or even there virus-scanner for that matter. More information on the inner workings of Nimda an Badtrans can, for instance, be found via the website of the Symantec Anti-virus Recource Center at http://www.sarc.com/ . If you are interested in which viruses are most prominently present on the net today and how they spread across the world, have a look at the VirusEye page of http://www.messagelabs.com/ . Note that I'm not in any (commercial) way related to these two companies. I merely use Symantec's site most of the time because I maintain the anti-virus software at work which is based on their product. Conclusion: If you use The Bat! for e-mail and are not in the habit of opening html-attachments in you browser, or if your browser is something other than IE (or anything else that uses the IE controls), then you should be reasonably safe against viruses that spread using bugs in IE's html-renderer. Protection against buggers like Nimda that use multiple distribution methods, including network shares, is much more difficult. Best advice is to make sure that you keep your anti-virus patterns up-to-date (if your software allows it, set it to check for updates on a daily basis), run some kind of firewall software if you're on cable or xDSL and try to keep up with Microsoft's patches. You can help yourself doing the latter by installing a small tool that will alert you to available patches when you are on-line. You will find this tool among other patches and updates on http://windowsupdate.microsoft.com/ . -- Greetings, Maurice ICQ: 15724776 | WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Using The Bat! v1.54 Beta/20 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Small progress indicator?
On 29 Dec 2001, at 15:50:55 [GMT +] (which was 16:50 where I live) Richard Lane wrote: RL Not when you're trying to do a thousand and one things at once like I seem RL to always be doing and the windows pops to the top of a stack of windows. :) I've got my Connection Center set on display automatically and just minimized it; next time it has to check mail, all I see is an extra block on my taskbar. No interference. -- Greetings, Maurice ICQ: 15724776 | WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Using The Bat! v1.54 Beta/20 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: the bat! and pgp problems
On 25 Dec 2001, at 20:38:48 [GMT +0100] (which was 20:38 where I live) Luc wrote: L I'm using pgpn version 7.1 with the bat but i have following problem: if i You will need to install PGP 6.5.8 instead of 7.1; The API for 7.1 has not been released, and therefore the developers at RITLabs cannot create the necessary plugin DLL. -- Greetings, Maurice ICQ: 15724776 | WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Using The Bat! v1.54 Beta/19 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: sorting strings problem
On 24 Dec 2001, at 23:02:04 [GMT +0100] (which was 23:02 where I live) Luc wrote: L These are my settings: L string location presence L Reply-to: TBUDLkludgesyes L string location presence L [EMAIL PROTECTED] recipientyes L Could any one help me out: the tbtech does not work at all. Why not handle them all the same way? I have these: BeginFilter Name: List TBTECH Active: 1 Source: \\LNBi Maurice\Inbox Target: \\LNBi Maurice\Lists\Lists (software)\The Bat Tech CopyFolder: \\\none MainSet: 40Reply-to: TBTECH Actions: AddGroups: DelGroups: ForwardTemplate: ConfirmTemplate: ReplyTemplate: FwdAddr: RedirectAddr: NewAddr: NewTemplate: ExtCmd: ExtFile: ExtractDir: ColourGroup: default AddAddrItems: afiFrom, DelAddrItems: afiFrom, HotKey: 0 IsOfColour: default SizeBigger: 0 SizeSmaller: 0 AgeOlder: 0 AgeNewer: 0 InAddrPos: 0 OutAddrPos: 0 InAddrGroups: NoAddrGroups: KillFile: KillMethod: 0 SaveTemplate: SndFile: SysSound: 0 SoundTime: 0:00-0:00 AllowTime: 0:00-0:00 EndFilter and BeginFilter Name: List TBUDL Active: 1 Source: \\LNBi Maurice\Inbox Target: \\LNBi Maurice\Lists\Lists (software)\The Bat CopyFolder: \\\none MainSet: 40Reply-to: TBUDL Actions: AddGroups: DelGroups: ForwardTemplate: ConfirmTemplate: ReplyTemplate: FwdAddr: RedirectAddr: NewAddr: NewTemplate: ExtCmd: ExtFile: ExtractDir: ColourGroup: default AddAddrItems: DelAddrItems: HotKey: 0 IsOfColour: default SizeBigger: 0 SizeSmaller: 0 AgeOlder: 0 AgeNewer: 0 InAddrPos: 0 OutAddrPos: 0 InAddrGroups: NoAddrGroups: KillFile: KillMethod: 0 SaveTemplate: SndFile: SysSound: 0 SoundTime: 0:00-0:00 AllowTime: 0:00-0:00 EndFilter If you change the folder paths to match your settings, you should be able to just cut and paste the above blocks into your Sorting Office (one by one). -- Greetings, Maurice ICQ: 15724776 | WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Using The Bat! v1.54 Beta/19 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Ticker Lifted?
On 11 Dec 2001, at 01:26:58 [GMT -0500] (which was 7:26 where I live) PFord wrote: P Although RIT Labs claims that the Mail Ticker is unique, Novell's P Groupwise has a utility that is virtually identical, at least in the P early incarnations of the Mail Ticker, which predates The Bat. Are you sure? I don't know how long The Bat! and its MailTicker have been around, but if I remember correctly, GroupWise didn't have the Marquee as it is called until somewhere in the 5.x versions. -- Greetings, Maurice ICQ: 15724776 | WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Using The Bat! v1.54 Beta/15 on Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Draft Box (Was :- Re[2]: Send mail/Query bug)
Nick, Friday, June 15, 2001, 3:33:29 PM, you wrote: NA Yes, I think that would be a good idea, and might alleviate all the NA confusion with Drafts going to the Outbox... which really isn't the most NA appropriate place for such Documents. I'd like to second the request for a Drafts box. And while we're at it, It would be nice if any subfolders one creates under the 'Sent' folder, would behave the same like having a header 'Saved' instead of 'Received'. In order to facilitate searching through my sent mail, I've created folders for the years and within them for the months where I put sent mail after each month is over. -- Maurice ([EMAIL PROTECTED] / ICQ: 15724776) Using The Bat! 1.53bis on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Thawte Web of Trust Notary, see http://www.thawte.com/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange haeders (was Re[2]: How to download old/read messages from the serve r ?)
A, Friday, June 15, 2001, 1:33:54 PM, you wrote: ACM Your subject is still gibberish in the headers. ACM Subject: =?ISO-8859-1?B?UmU6IKCgU3RyYW5nZSBoYWVkZXJzICh3YXMgUmVbMl06IKCgSG93IHRv?= ACM =?ISO-8859-1?B?IGRvd25sb2FkIG9sZC9yZWFkIG1lc3NhZ2VzIGZyb20gdGhlIHNlcnZl?= ACM =?ISO-8859-1?B?ciA/KQ==?= Permission to barge in? (1) Although I'm not really adversely affected by the original problem that led to this discussion because I'm threading by reference, I'm still following this thread with great interest because of a discussion I'm having with my ISP about their mail-server. I'm wondering where one can observe the subject in this form. I've looked at David van Z's message in the preview, with headers on and in 'View message source' and none of them shows the subject the way you are quoting it. Am I using the wrong method to figure this out, or is this something that may imply what I've thought all along, that my ISP's mailserver messes around with the encoding of the message. -- Maurice ([EMAIL PROTECTED] / ICQ: 15724776) Using The Bat! 1.53bis on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 (1) quoted from Richard Dean Anderson as Col. Jack O'Neill in Stargate SG-1. WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Thawte Web of Trust Notary, see http://www.thawte.com/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Storage of attachment
Didier, Friday, June 08, 2001, 10:25:30 AM, you wrote: DM a simply question, what is the best : DM * store the attachment separate from message in special dir ? DM * in message bodies ? I cannot decide for you what the best method is. For me, keeping them in the message bodies is the best option. I'm in the editorial team of several magazines and sometimes recieve multiple versions of the same article over time, if they were all stored, I'd have a big job finding them back again. Also, the fact that Eudora (at least when I was still using it) didn't offer an option to keep the attachments with the messages but insisted on storing them externally was one of the reasons I started looking for a different program in the first place. I wonder however, how The Bat! reacts to S/MIME signatures when set to store attachments separately. Eudora doesn't support S/MIME out of the box, and as a result I used to have dozens of smime.p7k(x) files laying around in my attachment directory. -- Maurice ([EMAIL PROTECTED] / ICQ: 15724776) Using The Bat! 1.53bis on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Thawte Web of Trust Notary, see http://www.thawte.com/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Folder templates
Peter, Wednesday, May 30, 2001, 12:13:03 AM, you wrote: MDP A mailing list manager which doesn't set the Reply-To address MDP properly. PP cannot confirm ... using it with out problems ... *wondering* Well, by default ezmlm doesn't set the reply-to; there are even ranting articles to be found on the net stating that any mailinglist software that does this is broken and should be banned, burned and what else not for tampering with the original mails of people sending them (assuming they set a Reply-To at all). Their point of view is that when replying to the whole list, it should be the conciously made decision of the creator of the mail to use 'Reply-to-all' in order to do so. However one can easily make ezmlm set the reply-to on outgoing mailinglist mails, and when combining the original ezmlm with ezmlm-idx extensions you get an even more powerfull mailinglist tool. BTW: I prefer mailing lists set the reply-to to the list, and most do; recently I even had a situation where I forgot to use 'reply-to-all' because I was replying to a message in the only list I have that doesn't have the reply-to set to the list. -- Maurice ([EMAIL PROTECTED] / ICQ: 15724776) Using The Bat! 1.52f on Windows NT 5.0.2195 WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Thawte Web of Trust Notary, see http://www.thawte.com/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: mailto: magic
Sunday, May 27, 2001, 3:51:43 PM, Karin wrote: I saw some mails on how to automatically get text into the body of the message using the mailto: URL; is it also possible to add custom headers to a message this way? KS mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?subject=X%20Ybody=Z OK, I was already aware of the 'subject' trick. Before this goes further astray into a discussion on whether or not to use this method for mailto: links at all, I'd like to point out that this will probably need to be used in a website where I have no access to cgi whatsoever so the whole issue of using forms is out of the question (and I don't want to use external form processors). What I want to get back to, is my original question because what I'm trying to do, is to add headers such as X-www-page: main menu and X-www-page: my cv so that I can tell from the headers of the message wich page it was that someone clicked the mailto-link on. Is that possible, or completely out of the question? -- Maurice ([EMAIL PROTECTED] / ICQ: 15724776) Using The Bat! 1.52f on Windows NT 5.0.2195 WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Thawte Web of Trust Notary, see http://www.thawte.com/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
mailto: magic
Listmembers, I saw some mails on how to automatically get text into the body of the message using the mailto: URL; is it also possible to add custom headers to a message this way? I'm asking this because I'd like to add mailto: links to websites to let people respond to pages, but I'd like to include a header for each page so I know what page it was that they clicked the mailto: link on, without having this in the subject or any place else where the user would have easy access to change it. -- Maurice ([EMAIL PROTECTED] / ICQ: 15724776) Using The Bat! 1.52f on Windows NT 5.0.2195 WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Thawte Web of Trust Notary, see http://www.thawte.com/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Reply problem
Listmembers, There are people who insist on sending mail with only their e-mail address as the 'From'. I have some of them listed in my address book, and I'd expect that when I hit 'Reply' on their messages, the recipient would be matched against the AB and the information from there added and used so the message would look nicer (and the quote-levels would be correct too). Is there an option I've overlooked to make this happen or would this be a feature request? -- Maurice ([EMAIL PROTECTED] / ICQ: 15724776) Using The Bat! 1.52f on Windows NT 5.0.2195 WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Thawte Web of Trust Notary, see http://www.thawte.com/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Filtering on 'reply-to'
Thomas, Friday, May 11, 2001, 8:52:41 AM, you wrote: T This is exactly what I do for the TB lists. T String: Reply-To: TBUDL T Presence: Yes T Location: Kludges I've tried it and indeed, it works like a charm. For some reason I had the (apparently misguided) idea that when filtering on 'kludges' one could only filter on the contents of them, not on the entire line including the identifying part before the colon. Thanx for the great suggestion. -- Maurice ICQ: 15724776 WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Thawte Web of Trust Notary, see http://www.thawte.com/ +--+ | Schrijf je in voor / Register for EuroBiCon One! | | 22-24 June 2001 Rotterdam, The Netherlands | | Website: http://www.intbiconf.org/ | +--+ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Filtering on 'reply-to'
I was wondering if there is any way to have the filters work on 'reply-to' headers. I subscribe to a number of mailinglists where people will often send announcements to more than one list. My current filtering setup causes all these crossposts to end up in the folder of one list, instead of getting spread between the respective folders. For some of them, I may be able to work around that by using the address in the 'Sender:' header as matching string, but not all lists set this header. Any ideas anyone? -- Maurice ICQ: 15724776 WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Thawte Web of Trust Notary, see http://www.thawte.com/ +--+ | Schrijf je in voor / Register for EuroBiCon One! | | 22-24 June 2001 Rotterdam, The Netherlands | | Website: http://www.intbiconf.org/ | +--+ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: 1.52 Message centre/Connection Centre problems
Jannik, Tuesday, May 08, 2001, 8:48:49 AM, you wrote: JL In my opinion the CC is a significant improvement to TB. I found the JL old progress bar to be next to useless. I would have to agree on this. Because I manage a large number of administrative accounts for a couple of maildomains, I have more than 15 accounts defined. Since the mailchecks for these occur virtually simultaneously (didn't feel like spreading the time-intervals), TB! would previously completely clutter my taskbar with progress windows making it impossible to click other windows for as long as this lasted. Now the process of retrieving mail is much cleaner for me, no more cluttering and that makes it all much more comfortable. -- Maurice ICQ: 15724776 WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Thawte Web of Trust Notary, see http://www.thawte.com/ +--+ | Schrijf je in voor / Register for EuroBiCon One! | | 22-24 June 2001 Rotterdam, The Netherlands | | Website: http://www.intbiconf.org/ | +--+ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: Problems with The Bat! 152f
Peter, Tuesday, May 08, 2001, 1:40:29 PM, you wrote: PP *hmmm* ~4700 messages over here ... Purge Compress are usually done PP on exit :-) ... but not slower than before 1.52f ... maybe your TB! is PP sad it's only 400 messages to handle? *grin* I'm still at 1.52c, and usually keep TB! running for days if I don't have to do something on my PC that I think would make it dangerous to leave other things open. It does take a while to purge and compress, but then again, there's over 16000 messages in my main account alone. This is on a PII 450, 128MB RAM, Win2k; MAIL-directory stored on NetWare 4.11 server (running on a PI 133/64MB), 100Mb LAN. -- Maurice ICQ: 15724776 WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Thawte Web of Trust Notary, see http://www.thawte.com/ +--+ | Schrijf je in voor / Register for EuroBiCon One! | | 22-24 June 2001 Rotterdam, The Netherlands | | Website: http://www.intbiconf.org/ | +--+ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: I am looking for a Dutch Interface Language file
Rob, Thursday, May 03, 2001, 10:42:38 PM, you wrote: R but all it does is extract and build .LNG files with your own selections, R not manipulate/translate the content ... Exactly. On the TBUDL archive I located a thread of messages where there is talk of a stand alone LNG compiler that would allow users to compile their own language files. Reportedly, this thingy was supposed to be release by the end of June 2000, but it would seem this never happened. If anyone has any insight on this, please let me know. All this makes me wonder how the other languages came to be in the TheBat.LNG file. Is there a procedure to work with RitLabs for the purpose of adding more languages? I'd be willing to do some translating for Dutch, but I'm not in the mood to decode the format of the LNG file... -- Maurice ICQ: 15724776 WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Thawte Web of Trust Notary, see http://www.thawte.com/ +--+ | Schrijf je in voor / Register for EuroBiCon One! | | 22-24 June 2001 Rotterdam, The Netherlands | | Website: http://www.intbiconf.org/ | +--+ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[3]: Time Zones???
Ian, Sunday, April 29, 2001, 9:59:48 PM, you wrote: IA As an aside, does the daylight saving time change at the same IA point universally, or is there a period of several hours or so IA where e-mail systems exist in a point of +-1 Hour relativity? Various countries change in and out of daylight saving time on different dates. For instance, almost all of Europe now changes on the last Sunday of March and back again on the last Sunday of October. Chema: the UK and the rest of the EU have synched their DST switches several years ago. If you want to get a good idea of when various countries or regions switch to DST, if they do so at all, and what time differences they use, I suggest having a look at the excellent 'timepiece' for your Windows-PC called 'World Time' available free from www.pawprint.net. This program allows you to put a customizable bar of clocks from around the world on your screen, sync your PC to NTP or datetime sources and has an extensive database of world cities, their locations (longitude/latitude) and their DST times to go with it. I use this to keep track of the time of the people I'm chatting with when I'm on IRC. -- Maurice ICQ: 15724776 WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Thawte Web of Trust Notary, see http://www.thawte.com/ +--+ | Schrijf je in voor / Register for EuroBiCon One! | | 22-24 June 2001 Rotterdam, The Netherlands | | Website: http://www.intbiconf.org/ | +--+ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions
Sunday, April 15, 2001, 5:09:03 PM, Nick Andriash wrote: ACM Some of the editors great formatting routines such as the ACM reformatting of quoted material will lead to this sort of ACM limitation. NA Sorry I'm coming in late on this thread, but could you refresh my memory NA on what sort of limitations Allie was talking about? The formatting routines involved in reformatting quoted material, include having the ability to dynamically remove and re-insert the necessary quote-levels at the beginning of each line while reformatting, ie. the initials and -sign(s), or just the -sign(s) in the case of non-TB! quoted material. NA Just for clarification, a soft return is one where the line NA automatically wraps, and a hard return is where the User actually NA hits the "Enter" key, is that correct? What you are proposing is NA that TB! not use hard returns where soft returns would normally NA go? No, the problem I've run into, is that when auto-format is turned on, a return is only honored when you hit it twice in a row. This makes it, for example, impossible to create lists of short-items with one item on each line, unless you insert a blank line between them. Typing the first space on a new line now causes the cursor to return to one space after the last character of the previous line, simply because there is room there. AFAIK, the editor in TB! makes no difference between a return at the end of a line which was inserted by the formatter, and a return that was entered by the user. NA If TB!'s Editor was to do that, and realising that PGP wraps/signs NA a message *before* the MUA would... in your example... replace the NA soft returns with hard returns, it would have to be such that NA there was absolutely no difference in the two messages... not even NA one character... otherwise the PGP signature would be broken. Do NA you feel that condition would be met if TB! were to make those NA changes after the User hit the "Send" button? OK, I have to admit that I'm unfamiliar with the order of actions happening when I hit the send button, and therefore was unaware that PGP is called before TB! would replace these characters. I'm suggesting that the editor would be made to make a difference between returns resulting from the auto-format and auto-wrap functions, and the ones entered by the user, in such a way that it would become possible to create short-lists and if necessary edit the signature, without the auto-format concatening lines together that were intended as separate lines in the first place. It would need to do this only for the duration of message editing. One might even argue that TB! could store the message in this way (including soft returns) unless the message is to be signed and/or encrypted, so future editing would result in the same situation. It was argued that one would want to make the message in such a way that it comes up identically on the recipients screen, but is my belief that this is only necessary for lines that were user-terminated by a hard return anyway, and is much less important for flowing paragraphs. One problem would however still remain: unless the original text of the message being replied to were to arrive in 'flowing paragraphs' as well (which causes other problems such as having to wrap the message at a predefined width or at the edge of the window in order to avoid horizontal scrolling), there is no way for the reformatter to know where to separate two paragraphs that were not separated by a blank line. NA Again I am presuming you were referring to the quirkiness of the NA TB! Editor's auto-format feature, and that a re-make of the Editor NA such that it would allow for soft returns would eliminate such NA quirkiness? Correct. -- Maurice ICQ: 15724776 WWW: http://www.kiap.net/ Thawte Web of Trust Notary, see http://www.thawte.com/ +--+ | Schrijf je in voor / Register for EuroBiCon One! | | 22-24 June 2001 Rotterdam, The Netherlands | | Website: http://www.intbiconf.org/ | +--+ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re[2]: The Bat! - suggestions
Allie, Wednesday, April 11, 2001, 2:17:36 AM, you wrote: [hard returns vs. soft returns] ACM Some of the editors great formatting routines such as the reformatting of ACM quoted material will lead to this sort of limitation. The added advantage ACM is that you'll always be aware of the formatting of your text and what the ACM recipient will be seeing at the other end. Soft returns can be very ACM deceptive and can lead to some lousy formatting that the recipient has to ACM deal with. Not necessarily. Basicly, the editor only needs to make this difference for as long as you are editing the message, or maybe it should even save the message with the information on soft and hard returns intact. On screen, while editing, the wrapping behaviour would be as defined by the maximum width of the message, such as 76 characters on a line. Upon hitting send, the soft returns would automatically be replaced with hard returns, causing there to be no difference between the message on-screen and the way it is sent. I've seen this kind of ability before in my old FidoNet editor, GoldEd (www.goldware.dk) although I must admit that the reformatting of quoted text in GoldEd requires a little more user intervention. ACM The only application that I see dealing with soft returns in a positive ACM way is Agent and Becky, but then again, neither of them can reflow quoted ACM material the way TB! can... Dunno any of those, I use Gravity for news and haven't even heard of Becky before. ACM If you find yourself constantly having to switch between both you may do ACM better keeping auto-format off and then hitting alt+l whenever you need to ACM do any text reflowing. That might be an idea, yes. -- Maurice ICQ: 15724776 WWW: http://www.kiap.net/ Thawte Web of Trust Notary, see http://www.thawte.com/ +--+ | Schrijf je in voor / Register for EuroBiCon One! | | 22-24 June 2001 Rotterdam, The Netherlands | | Website: http://www.intbiconf.org/ | +--+ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
The Bat! - suggestions
I sent the message below to the 'suggestions' address listed on the Ritlabs website, but it bounced back to me. I apologize in advance if this is the wrong place to put this in an attempt to reach the makers. Dear ppl at Ritlabs, First of all I'd like to give you my compliments for making an excellent mail program. There are two suggestions though that I'd like to make that would make your already great program even better and easier to use for me. 1) Hard returns and soft returns When 'Auto-Format' is on, it is impossible to have two consecutive lines that are not filled to the maximum width allowed by the set margins. It seems that there is no difference between what in word processors is sometimes referred to as a soft-return and a hard-return. This makes it very difficult to create *-lists in mails unless one adds a blank line between each item. Another situation is when I delete lines at the bottom of a message after having replied in order to get rid of the bottom part of the message, so only my signature is left, which often results in me deleting one line too many, the auto-format kicking in, reformatting the signature separator and my name (as seen below) onto one line. It would be nice if the internal editor would know which linebreaks are purely due to the margin setting, and which are entered purposely by the user. As a result, I often find myself continuously switching back and forth between 'Auto-Format' on and off. On a side note: is it possible to have the cursor only go to places where text and/or spaces were already typed, and to have the text be able to have spaces after the last character on a line, if only to be able to verify that the signature separator has a space after it. 2) Drag and Drop attachments I often receive messages containing more than one attachment of which I need to forward only one or several but not all to someone else. In order to do so, it would be nice if one could open the mail, open a second, new mail and just drag and drop the attachments that need to be added to the outgoing mail right from the window of the received mail onto the window of the new mail. Thank you again for making The Bat! and good luck with it's on-going development. -- Maurice ICQ: 15724776 WWW: http://www.kiap.org/ Thawte Web of Trust Notary, see http://www.thawte.com/ +--+ | Schrijf je in voor / Register for EuroBiCon One! | | 22-24 June 2001 Rotterdam, The Netherlands | | Website: http://www.intbiconf.org/ | +--+ S/MIME Cryptographic Signature
