Re: Collapse all threads

2020-07-04 Thread Paul Van Noord
7/4/2020  6:51 AM

Hi Andrew,

On 7/3/2020 Andrew Savchenko wrote:

AS> Hello,

AS> Surely there is a button to collapse all threads... Somewhere. I have 
AS> used "menu navigator", but so far was unable to find one. Any hints?

  Help > Menu Navigator

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Re[2]: Account tree font

2020-06-21 Thread Paul Van Noord
6/21/2020  12:35 PM

Hi Jack,

On 6/21/2020 Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

TF>> On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 17:51:34 -0500 GMT (21-Jun-20, 5:51 +0700 GMT),
TF>> Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

>>> I've just noticed that the font in my account tree has been changed. No 
>>> idea how
>>> it might have happened but would like to change it back to what it was. 
>>> Anybody
>>> know how to do that?

TF>> Go to: Options / Preferences / Message List / Fonts.

TF>> Over here, it says Segoe UI, which is the orginal font set by Ritlabs.
TF>> Maybe this got changed unintentionally with an unknown keyboard shortcut.

JSL> When I follow your path I see that mine also shows Segoe UI and I learned 
that
JSL> no matter what you change that font to, nothing changes in the account 
tree AND
JSL> when you go back you find that Segoe UI is right back where it was before 
you
JSL> changed it. In other words, you can't change it. I just love TB!

JSL> The Bat! E-Mail Client by Ritlabs version 6.0.12
JSL> Windows 10 Home Build 9200

Changed  mine  to  Verdana when I was using version 6.. it is still that
way.   Apparently  you  have  something  interfering  with  saving  your
change...

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Re[3]: POP - "Getting number of messages"

2020-05-29 Thread Paul Van Noord
5/29/2020  7:31 AM

Hi Tbudl,

On 5/29/2020 tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com wrote:

bemc> OK, I understand. Now there are only 1,900 messages in the server and
bemc> still the connection centre is stuck getting number of messages.

bemc> reason we keep the msgs on server is that in office, we download using
bemc> POP and filtered into appropriate folders. then we got the email
bemc> running in our mobile phones, then at home we got our laptops running
bemc> on IMAP.
bemc>
bemc> I could say that this issue propped up only about a month back.

bemc> appreciate your advice.

Perhaps  this  is a host server issue. I manage email similar to you and
Thomas  and experienced this problem some years ago. Switched my host to
Fastmail and the problem disappeared never to return.

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Re[2]: Reply all quoting selected text

2020-05-09 Thread Paul Van Noord
5/9/2020  12:00 PM

Hi Marck,

On 5/9/2020 Marck Pearlstone wrote:

JSL>> TB! won't allow screenshots or any photo for that matter. I've always 
assumed it
JSL>> was for security reasons but I don't know for sure. I think some people 
have
JSL>> used links to Dropbox before but that's risky as well.

MP> Here's a screen shot. Let's see if it works.

MP> The  constraint  is message size. I massaged this image, shrunk it and
MP> lowered jpg quality to 50% to make it small enough to be attachable on
MP> this list.

No image received.

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Re[2]: Incorrect time stamps in *some* folders

2020-04-24 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/24/2020  4:48 PM

Hi Melissa,

On 4/24/2020 Melissa Reese wrote:

MR> Hi MFPA,

MR> You wrote:

>> I don't recall seeing this on messages in my sent folders, but have
>> sometimes seen 1 January 1970 and found the message was missing the
>> Date header. (I thought the server was supposed to add this if it was
>> missing.)

MR> Does this mean that it could be a problem with my IMAP/SMTP and/or
MR> POP3/SMTP email server providers?

It seems it is...

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Re[2]: Eek! Did I really lose--forever--all emails in my IMAP Inbox?

2020-04-22 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/22/2020  8:32 AM

Hi Thomas,

On 4/22/2020 Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF> Quote: "The Bat! MSI installation package no longer include EWS DLL
TF> files. As a result, The Bat! would not support Exchange Web Services
TF> (EWS) protocol until you manually download a DLL and store it un the
TF> same directory where thebat32.exe/thebat64.exe resides.

TF> UNQUOTE

TF> I see you are talking about MAPI, not EWS.

>> Couldn't you have "best of both" by using IMAP but having TB! copy all
>> messages to a local archive folder? That way, you could have the local
>> message store but still access all of your email from multiple devices
>> using a proper mail client. Or am I missing something?

TF> I could, but that's not how I work. I BCC all messages to myself.
TF> Different folks, different strokes.

Me too, from all IMAP devices...

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Re[2]: Eek! Did I really lose--forever--all emails in my IMAP Inbox?

2020-04-21 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/21/2020  2:18 PM

Hi MFPA,

On 4/21/2020 MFPA wrote:

M> On Tuesday 21 April 2020 at 1:13:38 AM, in
M> , Thomas Fernandez wrote:-

>> Besides, Exchange uses a proprietary protocol, and
>> TheBat has no native
>> support for it (any more).

M> Has support been removed recently? My "Create New Account" wizard in
M> TB! v8.8.2.5 still has the option of "MAPI(Microsoft Exchange)", the
M> other two options being "Auto" and "IMAP or POP".

>> I'm back to POP only. However, there are
>> some people on
>> this list who prefer IMAP.

M> Couldn't you have "best of both" by using IMAP but having TB! copy all
M> messages to a local archive folder? That way, you could have the local
M> message store but still access all of your email from multiple devices
M> using a proper mail client. Or am I missing something?

This  system  works real well. My main computer is POP and all my mobile
devices are IMAP. Have used this strategy for more than a decade...

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Re[2]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-17 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/17/2020  3:50 PM

Hi Thomas,

On 4/16/2020 Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF> Yes, as I said: It is the exception. The exception does not make it a
TF> rule though. If I were you, I would not use beta versions with my
TF> clients, but that's your decision. I would test the new releases
TF> myself before upgrading, and if I cannot recommend them, would go back
TF> to the previous release. Not any beta version; I would recommend them
TF> only for beta testers, never for production and especially not for
TF> clients.

Now  we  know  you  are you abd I am me.  Perhaps you will learn to live
with that

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Re[2]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-16 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/16/2020  10:41 AM

Hi Thomas,

On 4/15/2020 Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF> Hello Paul,

TF> On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:17:14 -0400 GMT (15-Apr-20, 22:17 +0700 GMT),
TF> Paul Van Noord wrote:

>>>>> There will have been a reason for that, don't you think?

>>>> Isn't the Beta usually taken down when Ritlabs issues a new Beta
>>>> or release version?

TF>>> That's correct. It has become useless, as any bugs found should not be
TF>>> distributed any more. That's the whole idea of beta testing.

>> There have been multiple occasions in the past where a given beta caused
>> problems  for me requiring me to go to a previous version. This is why I
>> keep  copies  of  all acceptable betas. "Latest and greatest" are not
>> synonymous!

TF> Yes, beta versions can have problems, that's why users of beta
TF> versions are called beta testers, and they participate in the beta
TF> forum (or mailing list, as it is in the case of TheBat) and report
TF> back. There is never a reason for someone who is not a beta tester to
TF> download any beta version.

TF> Once the release version is out, there is no need to revert back to a
TF> beta version.

TF> Otherwise, there would be something fundamentally wrong with the beta
TF> process. I'm not saying saying this never happens in the world, I am
TF> just saying it would be highly unusual if you have to revert back from
TF> a release version to a beta version to make have a better version.

I  have  been  a  TB user for 32 years. I have been a beta tester for at
least 12 years. Perhaps my TB experience exceeds your experience. I have
clients  all  over  the  world.  I  fail to appreciate someone of lesser
experience  telling me the "facts". A closed mind slams the door shut on
ability to learn.

My  methods  have  proven their value in the test of time and experience
for  me  and  my  clients.  Since  I highly customize the TB ui for each
client.  It  is  absurd  that a release of a MSI would be published with
this  glaring  defect.  It  forced  me  back  to  a  beta  where Toolbar
Customization worked as it did for many years!

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Re[2]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-15 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/15/2020  11:15 AM

Hi Thomas,

>> On Tuesday 14 April 2020 at 12:43:19 PM, in
>> , Thomas Fernandez wrote:-

>>> There will have been a reason for that, don't you think?

>> Isn't the Beta usually taken down when Ritlabs issues a new Beta
>> or release version?

TF> That's correct. It has become useless, as any bugs found should not be
TF> distributed any more. That's the whole idea of beta testing.

There have been multiple occasions in the past where a given beta caused
problems  for me requiring me to go to a previous version. This is why I
keep  copies  of  all acceptable betas. "Latest and greatest" are not
synonymous!

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Re[3]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-11 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/11/2020  7:31 AM

Hi Andrew,

On 4/11/2020 Andrew Savchenko wrote:

AS> Hello Thomas,

AS> Saturday, April 11, 2020, 1:58:28 PM, you wrote:

>> Why would you want to download an old beta version?

AS> Because newer "release" version is not production ready. Check all the 
AS> complains about UI in v9 branch posted to this list in the past weeks.

Agreed!   It  doesn't  make  sense  to test msi files while serious long
standing  UI  issues  remain  prominent.  This is not a "cart before the
horse" issue. It is a "where is the horse" issue.

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Re[4]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-10 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/10/2020  9:10 AM

Hi Andrew,

On 4/9/2020 Andrew Savchenko wrote:

AS> Hello Paul,

AS> Friday, April 10, 2020, 7:43:01 AM, you wrote:

 I'm comfy with the late v.8, I would appreciate very much if I could 
 downgrade
 and keep on with that while v.9 grows mature.

S>>> I wholeheartedly agree!
S>>> The customization, where even available, doesn't stick. It reverts
S>>> back to the default after each restart!

>> The behavior is the same here.

AS> Latest v8 beta available in public:
AS> https://mega.nz/file/JktHDQDT#zki2R-F6loABaYNkKeVa_H5nPtPt4Wg9QaMEUDH9KSk
AS> http://uploaded.net/file/gvpoinfr


Thank You Very Much!

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Re[2]: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-09 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/9/2020  6:10 PM

Hi Susanne,

On 4/9/2020 Susanne wrote:

S> Thursday, April 9, 2020, 10:27:36 AM, Luca wrote:

>> I'm comfy with the late v.8, I would appreciate very much if I could 
>> downgrade
>> and keep on with that while v.9 grows mature.

S> I wholeheartedly agree!
S> The customization, where even available, doesn't stick. It reverts
S> back to the default after each restart!

The behavior is the same here.

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Re[2]: Sig cutoff

2019-09-04 Thread Paul Van Noord
9/4/2019  9:24 PM

Hi Thomas,

On 9/4/2019 Thomas Fernandez wrote:


>> What causes GMX to perceive that they authority to edit ANY message???

TF> First I need someone else using GMX as well to confirm, and then we
TF> can ask them exactly this question.

Could be interesting... Staying tuned in...

TF> --


TF> Cheers,
TF> Thomas.

TF> Message reply created with The Bat! Version 8.8.9 (64-bit)
TF> under Windows 10.0 Build 18362


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Re[2]: Sig cutoff

2019-09-04 Thread Paul Van Noord
9/4/2019  9:13 AM

Hi Tbudl,

On 9/3/2019 tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com wrote:

jlttcu> Hello Thomas Fernandez,

jlttcu> On Tuesday, September 3, 2019, 2:21:55 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

>> ...and now it's gone. Weird.

>> Can someboy lese using GMX please test this, so that we can see
>> whether they cut trailing blanks in order to "improve" customer
>> experience?

jlttcu> I don't use GMX, but looking through other messages on the list,
jlttcu> messages from Chris Wilson and Feli Wilke also appear to come via GMX
jlttcu> (using a different domain name in Chris' case) and are also missing
jlttcu> the space, so it does look like it could be a GMX issue.

jlttcu> Thomas, if you DM me a reply, I can check to see whether the space is
jlttcu> missing from that, which will rule out the list software doing
jlttcu> something to messages via GMX.

What causes GMX to perceive that they authority to edit ANY message???

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Re: Moving messages

2019-07-24 Thread Paul Van Noord
7/24/2019  2:27 PM

Hi Dwight,

On 7/24/2019 Dwight Corrin wrote:

DC> I  have  accidently  deleted  a number of messages. I don't seem to be
DC> able  to  move  them back from my trash folder. Feeling stupid, I need
DC> advice. 

DC> --

DC> Dwight A. Corrin
DC> 316.207.6581
DC> dcorrin at fastmail.fm

Drag and Drop or copy (Ctrl C) works here.

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Re: No more Gmail?

2019-03-23 Thread Paul Van Noord
3/23/2019  8:32 AM

Hi Paul,

On 3/21/2019 Paul F. Siebern wrote:

PFS> Hi TBUDL

PFS> I just got this message from Google Accounts:

PFS>"Although you don’t need to take any action, we wanted to let you know 
that
PFS>the following third-party apps will no longer be able to access some 
data
PFS>in your Google Account, including your Gmail content. This change will 
go
PFS>into effect starting March 31, 2019.

PFS>The Bat!
PFS>
PFS>We are making this change as part of ongoing efforts to make sure your 
data
PFS>is protected and private. These apps haven’t yet complied with our 
updated
PFS>data privacy requirements  
PFS>   
PFS> 
(https://cloud.google.com/blog/products/g-suite/elevating-user-trust-in-our-api-ecosystems)
PFS>announced on October 8, 2018."
PFS>
PFS> So that means I can no longer use my Gmail accounts with The Bat! ?

PFS> Thanks

Or... no longer use Gmail!  

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Re[2]: Folder font issues.

2018-02-19 Thread Paul Van Noord
2/19/2018  6:12 PM

Hi Gene,

On 2/19/2018 Gene Kearns wrote:

GK> Right-click->>Properties->General  and rename the folder...

GK> I wish I could say that worked, but they are IMAP folders
GK> and I had to use the "IMAP" commands. That appeared to work,
GK> but I quickly found that instead of "Renaming" the folder,
GK> it created another folder with the new name leaving the old
GK> one somewhat intact. To make a long story short, the only
GK> way I got The Bat! back was to restore a backup.

GK> Upon restoration of just messages, I have the weird zombie
GK> font thing still going on.

Perhaps you need to to the server to correct this...

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Re[2]: Folder font issues.

2018-02-19 Thread Paul Van Noord
2/19/2018  3:19 PM

Hi Gene,

On 2/19/2018 Gene Kearns wrote:

GK> Hello Paul,

GK> Thanks Paul, that will change all fonts *except* those few
GK> folders that don't match all of the other folders.

GK> Inbox
GK> -Folder 1   [Will Change]
GK> -Folder 2   (Odd Font) [Won't Change]
GK> -Folder 3   [Will Change]

GK> It is like Folder 2 does not listen to
GK> Options-Preferences>System>Account Tree Font

Right-click->Properties->General  and rename the folder...

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Re: Folder font issues.

2018-02-19 Thread Paul Van Noord
2/19/2018  1:47 PM

Hi Gene,

On 2/19/2018 Gene Kearns wrote:

GK> Hello MFPA,

GK>   I  have  a  few  folders  that  are  not the same font and
GK>   font-weight  as  the other folders. I cannot find where to
GK>   correct this. can anyone help?

Options>Preferences>System>Account Tree Font. 

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Re[2]: Specific program for viewing attachments in outgoing mail

2017-12-13 Thread Paul Van Noord
12/13/2017  9:49 PM

Hi Jack,

On 12/13/2017 Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

AG>> It is a major bug in Windows 10 (and not only for PDFs apparently)

JSL> The history of MS suggests it's NOT a bug but intentionally inserted into 
the
JSL> OS.

AG>> Strangely,  Windows  10  doesn't  reset the default mail program or the
AG>> default web browser

JSL> There's gotta be a monetary reason for that.

Here comes Win 7 Pro...

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Re[2]: Bulk delete

2017-05-11 Thread Paul Van Noord
5/11/2017  11:33 AM

Hi Jack,

On 5/11/2017 Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

JSL> Indeed. However when the remainder of the emails in my inbox failed to
JSL> rematerialize, I got a little spooked. But thanks to Paul who said to 
simply hit
JSL> ESC to cancel all is right once again.

JSL> My thanks to you both.

You are welcome!  Let's share a bowl of bouillabaisse!

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Re[2]: Bulk delete

2017-05-11 Thread Paul Van Noord
5/11/2017  6:43 AM

Hi Robin,

On 5/11/2017 Robin Anson wrote:

RA> On Wed, 10 May 2017 at 15:44:44 -0500,Jack wrote:
>> Is there a way to bulk delete messages from a particular email address?
>> I'm thinking like CTRL>SELECT or CTRL_A.

RA> Alt-(left)click on the sender will display only emails from that
RA> sender. Then CTRL+A and DELETE.

RA> Simple

[Esc] to cancel...

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Re[2]:

2017-05-09 Thread Paul Van Noord
5/9/2017  4:04 PM

Hi Jennifer,

On 5/9/2017 Jennifer Lankford wrote:

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JL> 
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???
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Re[2]: Can I set up an IMAP account for a gmail address?

2017-03-09 Thread Paul Van Noord
3/9/2017  7:25 AM

Hi Adrian,

On 3/9/2017 Adrian Godfrey wrote:

AG> Tuesday, March 7, 2017, 11:43:34 PM, you wrote:

>>> I am surprised port 25 for SMTP works. That is
>>> blocked by many ISPs.

AG> A VPN fixes
AG> the  problem.  Otherwise,  you  have  to ask your hosting provider for
AG> alternatives to port 25.

Been using port 26 for years and still do.

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Re[2]: Best spam filter for TB!

2016-11-28 Thread Paul Van Noord
11/28/2016  1:56 PM

Hi Arkadiusz,

On 11/28/2016 Arkadiusz Gawlik wrote:

AG> Hello Jack,

AG> On Monday, November 28, 2016 at 5:35:21 PM, you wrote in subject of "Best 
spam filter for TB!":

JSL>> Anyway, the long and short of this message is a request to learn what 
this group
JSL>> thinks is a good spam filter for TB! today. We are both running v6.xx and
JSL>> Windows 10.

AG> I am using AntispamSniper for TheBat! (a paid version).
AG> I've used it on Windows XP, Windows 7, Windows 8 and now Windows 10
AG> and various TB! versions without any issues.

I agree. Been using it for years. It just works.

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Re[2]: unable to send messages from four of 24 accounts

2016-06-04 Thread Paul Van Noord
6/4/2016  6:27 AM

Hi Harald,

On 6/4/2016 Harald Faber wrote:

HF> This situation is not amusing. Is Ritlabs informed about this issue in
HF> the meantime?

Notice my version of TB... I have had this problem intermittently
starting in version 4 of TB. In my most recent experience before I moved
my domain to a VPS only my sub-domains worked. My primary domain did not
work. Moving my domain to a VPS fixed the SMTP problem. How can this be
a Ritlabs problem???

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Re[2]: unable to send messages from four of 24 accounts

2016-06-03 Thread Paul Van Noord
6/3/2016  6:56 AM

Hi Achdut18,

On 6/2/2016 Achdut18 wrote:

A> I  just  finished  speaking with tech support for 1&1.com.  He changed
A> the  setting from "Secure to regular port (STARTTLS)" to "Regular" and
A> he changed the port from 587 to 25.  With these changes, I am now able
A> to  send  e-mail,  although it is now no longer encrypted.  His second
A> level  support  thought  my  firewall  or  anti-virus was causing this
A> problem,  but  that  makes  no  sense because both I and my wife began
A> having the problem at the same time even though we are using different
A> firewalls  and  anti-virus  programs.   (And someone on this list also
A> reported  having  the  same  problem!!!)   He promised to look into it
A> further.

I use Secure to regular port (STARTTLS) on port 26 with success.

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Re[2]: unable to send messages from four of 24 accounts

2016-06-02 Thread Paul Van Noord
6/2/2016  4:18 PM

Hi Achdut18,

On 6/2/2016 Achdut18 wrote:

A> Hello Marck,

A> You wrote:


MP>> My first guess would be that the hotel wifi blocks port 25 to prevent
MP>> guests spambot infested systems spewing junk from their connection.

A> My wife reports that the same problem is happening in our home office.

MP>> It is highly
MP>> possible that your personal domain email accounts are not configured
MP>> to use TLS, SLL or StartTLS so get blocked from using port 25.

A> My SMTP connection is "Secure on regular port (STARTTLS)".   and, that
A> port is 587.

A> It   seems   that  I  need  to  explore  with  my e-mail host service,
A> 1&1.com, the basis for this problem.

True...

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Paul

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Re[2]: unable to send messages from four of 24 accounts

2016-06-02 Thread Paul Van Noord
6/2/2016  11:40 AM

Hi Thomas,

On 6/2/2016 Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF> This is not threading, because I don't know how to reply on Gmail, only 
TF> how to create a new post. Sorry.

TF> I just tried to send a reply, and this is the log result:

TF>  02-Jun-16, 20:06:54: SEND  - TLS handshake complete
TF>  02-Jun-16, 20:06:54: SEND  - connected to SMTP server
TF>  02-Jun-16, 20:06:55: SEND  - authenticating (login)...
TF>  02-Jun-16, 20:06:56: SEND  - sending message to tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com
TF>  02-Jun-16, 20:06:58: SEND  - The last address submitted was 
TF> 
TF> !02-Jun-16, 20:06:58: SEND  - Message has not been sent. Server reply - 
TF> Requested action aborted: local error in processing
TF>  02-Jun-16, 20:06:59: SEND  - connection finished - 0 message(s) sent
TF>  02-Jun-16, 20:06:59: SEND  - Some messages were not sent - check the log
TF> for details

TF> I usually send to the list from this account without problems, so this 
TF> does look like a problem at GMX/1&1 to me.

Agreed... on shared hosting. I had this with Hostmonster off & on for
more than a year. Recently I spent the money to move my domain to a VPS
which seems to have removed the problem. I have learned that
authentication error(s) can be a catchall, not just for senders'
credentials.

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Paul

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Re: Questions about addressing

2016-04-16 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/16/2016  8:00 AM

Hi Leonard,

On 4/14/2016 Leonard S. Berkowitz wrote:

LSB> When sending a group e-mail, is it possible to omit one of the
LSB> addressees on an ad-hoc basis. Let's say that I remind this group of
LSB> our weekly meeting. Next week, at the weekly meeting, we plan a
LSB> surprise birthday party for one of the people. When I write about this
LSB> event to the group, clearly, I do not want to tip off the celebrant.
LSB> How do I sent mail to the group but omitting one person?

LSB> Sure if it is a small group, it is possible just to select from the
LSB> address book the people for whom the mail is intended, but a group
LSB> of 50? Ugh!

Open the address group. Highlight any address. Go CTRL+A. Hold down the
CTRL key and click on the unwanted address(s) to deselect them.

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Paul

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Re[2]: Help with S P A M

2016-02-19 Thread Paul Van Noord
2/19/2016  11:57 AM

Hi Anton,

On 2/19/2016 Anton Belenki wrote:

AB> JSL>> Hmmm, interesting question for which I do not have an interesting 
answer.
AB> JSL>> HELP/ABOUT merely shows the version number (6.0.12) and the .msi file 
gives no
AB> JSL>> indication.

AB> there is no x64 version of 6.0.12. 64-bit versions started from
AB> version 6.8.8:

AB> https://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/archive_version.php

AB> --
AB> E-mail: lowtru...@lowtrucks.net
AB> Web site: http://lowtrucks.net/


AB> 
AB> Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
AB> http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Agreed! Better to have the knowledge of how to tell
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Re[2]: Help with S P A M

2016-02-19 Thread Paul Van Noord
2/19/2016  9:40 AM

Hi Jack,

On 2/18/2016 Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

JSL> Hello Sam,

JSL> On Wednesday, February 17, 2016 you wrote:

SB>> Sorry, I should have been more specific, are you using the 32-bit or 64-bit
SB>> version of TB? It shows in the About dialog, looks like: Version 6.8.2 
(64-bit)

JSL> Hmmm, interesting question for which I do not have an interesting answer.
JSL> HELP/ABOUT merely shows the version number (6.0.12) and the .msi file 
gives no
JSL> indication.

JSL> I recall recently (within the past year) upgrading to this version and I 
surely
JSL> would have chosen the 64 bit as this is a 64 bit machine.

JSL> Any other way to tell?

You can tell which version by looking at the name of the executable. The
32 bit versions are thebat.exe or thebat32.exe. The 64 bit version is
named thebat64.exe.

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Re[2]: msg header as list column

2015-11-22 Thread Paul Van Noord
11/22/2015  7:10 AM

Hi Alto,

On 11/22/2015 Alto Speckhardt wrote:

AS> ... just in case anyone is interested in how this turned out: I
AS> amended the original idea and created two "virtual folders" beneath my 
AS> spam folder:

AS> "to_me": filter "if recipient contains "
AS> "to_other": filter "if recipient does-not contain "

Great solution!

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Paul

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Re: Can't delete messages - Adress book empty

2015-08-08 Thread Paul Van Noord
8/8/2015  7:17 AM

Hi Jack,

On 8/7/2015 Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

JSL The only thing I can think of which may have played a pert in this is my
JSL download and test of something called Wise Care 365 which is supposed to 
clean
JSL up and speed up your PC.  I foolishly allowed it to delete registry 
entries
JSL which it deemed clutter and other non-registry junk files.  I have no 
way of
JSL knowing if that program was the culprit (it has since been deleted) because
JSL several hours elapsed before I went back to TB and discovered the problems.

JSL Needless to say, any help will be greatly appreciated.

I have used Wise Registry Cleaner for years in Win 7 Pro with great
success. It automatically creates a registry backup.

It is important to review registry and/or file deletions before
executing the deletion action. No cleaner application can know all the
nuances of all programs...

Hopefully a re-installation of Wise Cleaner will find the backup it
created.
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Paul

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Re[2]: [T/N: 5E5340E0]: Problem with Root Certificate

2015-07-14 Thread Paul Van Noord
7/14/2015  7:45 AM

Hi Ian,

On 7/13/2015 Ian A. White wrote:

IAW What complicates matters is that my web host sold out to one company,
IAW and then that company sold out to another. It was the first company 
IAW that switched servers and no one now knows how, why or what was done.

I once resolved this issue for a customer by going to:
 Options-S/MIME and TLS...-and tick Microsoft CryptoAPI (Windows Certificate 
Store)

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Re[2]: [T/N: 5E5340E0]: Problem with Root Certificate

2015-07-14 Thread Paul Van Noord
7/14/2015  7:30 PM

Hi Ian,

On 7/14/2015 Ian A. White wrote:

IAW What I did was search for a RapidSSL certificate (as this is what the
IAW log showed. One of the links had what looks like a hex dump of a 
IAW certificate. I did a copy and paste into a file and gave it a crt 
IAW extension. THe one I used was RapidSSL Intermediate certificate.

IAW I then imported this into my addressbook and it now works. The details 
IAW show it has an expiry date of 2017, so that is around 2 years away. 
IAW Hopefully, when that experiences a problem I will be able to get 
IAW another one!

IAW The joys of competition.

Thanks for replying and explaining what worked!

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Re[2]: Incoming mail size?

2015-04-20 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/20/2015  4:32 PM

Hi MFPA,

On 4/20/2015 MFPA wrote:

M TB! also behaves strangely with large incoming emails when the email
M partition is very close to full.

This principle applies to most programs writing to disk. Watch Windows
behavior when its partition is 90%+ full.

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Re[2]: Main menu missing

2014-12-24 Thread Paul Van Noord
12/24/2014  8:20 PM

Hi Thomas,

On 12/24/2014 Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF How to get the main menu back? TB! v4.2

 Right-click a toolbar. Choose Customize...
 Main Menu is at the top of the list.

TF Thanks, Paul. I saw her again yesterday and wanted to try this, but
TF the menu is already back. She said her friend clicked something around
TF the tabs under the account tree... Cannot imagine. Let's just say the
TF problem solved itself.

 Great! Merry Christmas.

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Re: Main menu missing

2014-11-26 Thread Paul Van Noord
11/26/2014  10:58 AM

Hi Thomas,

On 11/26/2014 Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF I have trying to get it back but did not find it. I can only find
TF how to add toolbars (those withthe icons) but that is not what is
TF required.

TF How to get the main menu back? TB! v4.2

Right-click a toolbar. Choose Customize...
Main Menu is at the top of the list.

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Re[2]: Strip Attachments in Forward ?

2014-10-20 Thread Paul Van Noord
10/20/2014  5:59 AM

Hi Robert,

On 10/19/2014 Robert D. wrote:

RD And I, clumsy at times, am highly disliking any Clicks, double or single
RD as-well-as ctrl clicking things that are Trojans and Virii as
RD attachments  for obvious reasons.

For 27 years my [Delete] key has deleted the whole message immediately
upon receiving a message with a negative attachment. Why would one be
inclined to retain the message body of such junk? The best way I have
found to avoid snake bite is to stay away from the viper pit!

BTW, Ctrl-A works here and has for many years.

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Paul

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Re[2]: Can't enter registration code block (Solved!)

2014-10-11 Thread Paul Van Noord
10/11/2014  10:03 AM

Hi Jack,

On 10/11/2014 Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

JSL The next thing I deleted was MaAfee firewall/anti-virus
JSL (after first turning off the WIFI).  Voila!  No more problems with TB.
JSL I downloaded  installed AVG anti-virus and turned on Windows firewall
JSL to compensate for the now discarded MaAfee.  I reloaded WUALA and
JSL still no re-occurrence of the problems I had been having.  Not only
JSL was the display-delay problem gone but I was then able to successfully
JSL register with the key block provided by RIT Labs.  The same key block

Something I learned well over 10 years ago: Get rid of McAfee!

- --
Paul

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Re[2]: Can't enter registration code block (Solved!)

2014-10-11 Thread Paul Van Noord
10/11/2014  11:29 AM

Hi MFPA,

On 10/11/2014 MFPA wrote:

M Seems odd that TB! would *assume* you had the registration key on the 
M clipboard.

It has been like this for quite some time. It is a great feature!

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Re[2]: Can't enter registration code block [OT]

2014-10-06 Thread Paul Van Noord
10/6/2014  7:49 AM

Hi MFPA,

On 10/5/2014 MFPA wrote:

M I thought an SSD could be used on any box that can use a SATA disk
M drive, as a drop-in replacement for that drive.

I confused this with ACHI, sorry.

 It is needed in Windows 7. See this:
 https://www.google.com/#q=uefi+mode+when+installing+windows+7

M I see results saying UEFI works with 64-bit versions of Windows 7 but 
M not with 32-bit versions. And my quick skim-reading did not spot 
M anything that said Windows 7 actually needed UEFI.

I have no experience with 32 bit Win 7...  See this:
http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/186875-uefi-unified-extensible-firmware-interface-install-windows-7-a.html

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Paul

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Re[2]: Can't enter registration code block [OT]

2014-10-06 Thread Paul Van Noord
10/6/2014  9:15 PM

Hi MFPA,

On 10/6/2014 MFPA wrote:

M I think that's one of the hits on the search results page you posted
M before. It tells you how to install 64-bit Windows 7 using UEFI, but
M does not say you can only install it that way. In fact, if you follow
M from its beginning the tutorial linked from Step 5
M http://www.sevenforums.com/tutorials/1649-clean-install-windows-7-a.html,
M it tells you how to install Windows 7 using BIOS.

No kidding... really?

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Paul

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Re[2]: Can't enter registration code block [OT]

2014-10-05 Thread Paul Van Noord
10/5/2014  9:04 AM

Hi MFPA,

On 10/4/2014 MFPA wrote:

M UEFI-mode and Secure Boot in the BIOS are two newish features that
M came out somewhere around the same time as Windows 8. I have not
M encountered them myself, but saw when googling this topic that they
M need to be disabled before installing Windows 7.

UEFI mode is needed when using an SSD as a primary drive. It is needed
in Windows 7. See this:
https://www.google.com/#q=uefi+mode+when+installing+windows+7

For secure boot see this:
https://www.google.com/#q=secure+boot+when+installing+windows+7

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Re: Moving to a new computer

2014-09-25 Thread Paul Van Noord
9/25/2014  10:41 AM

Hi Jack,

On 9/25/2014 Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

JSL I need to know how to move TB!  from the old HP to the new ASUS.

This is how I do it:

  Copy the Email data folder (with sub-folders) to the new computer.
  Install TB from MSI and point it to this folder.
  TB sees this folder and sets up the accounts.

I have used this technique for many years. BTW, I recommend moving to
version 6. It is worth it.

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Re[2]: Reply text insertion

2014-06-17 Thread Paul Van Noord
6/17/2014  10:02 AM

Hi Fred,

On 6/17/2014 Fred wrote:

 Your contribution to this topic was zero. But thanks for the effort.

F I disagree with your measure of contribution and am disappointed by your
F sarcasm. The discussion has been (well, at least to me) quite interesting,
F with good input from both sides of the HTML email issue (including most of
F the rest of your email).

Your contribution was as good as his... since both are sane humans...

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Re[2]: Adding The Bat to a new computer on a home network

2014-02-10 Thread Paul Van Noord
2/10/2014  6:18 AM

Hi Achdut18,

On 2/9/2014 Achdut18 wrote:

A Jack,  thank  you  very much!   I don't know if this will work, but is
A certainly  worth  a  try.   Does  this  only work if both machines are
A running  on  the  same  network,  or,  do they just need to be able to
A access the Internet?

After reading this thread for some time I thought I should jump in
with a description of the system we have used for many years:

My computer is the administrator for all email accounts including my
wife's. I have POP3 set up on my computer for all accounts. My wife
has her account set up as POP3 on her computer.

Both of us have our accounts set as IMAP on our phones and any sent
messages are automatically BCC'd to our accounts to insure that there
is a copy of all sent messages available for archiving in the POP3
account on the computers.

The phones sync every 10 minutes and the computers download every 10
minutes. This is very easy to manage with minimal effort. No
networking is needed. When we travel it is only necessary to take my
computer because my wife's messages are also stored on it.

If further remote management is needed we do it with TeamViewer. The
client used on the phones is My Secure Mail for Android.

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Re[2]: Adding The Bat to a new computer on a home network

2014-02-10 Thread Paul Van Noord
2/10/2014  8:54 PM

Hi MFPA,

On 2/10/2014 MFPA wrote:

M You mean in Network Administration you are set as Admin for all
M accounts and your wife is set as User for her account only?

No I mean I manage all the accounts on both computers and store the
message bases for all accounts on my computer. My wife has a redundant
message base on her computer.

M Do you download your wife's mail for her, or is it just stored on your
M computer? Is it stored on her computer as well?

She has her own redundant message base managed by her copy of The Bat!
running on her computer.

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Re[2]: Search puzzle

2014-01-23 Thread Paul Van Noord
1/23/2014  2:45 PM

Hi MFPA,

On 1/23/2014 MFPA wrote:

M I use Simple and the buttons on the right are Start, Stop, Help,
M Close, Locate Original, Virtual Folder, Advanced. If I click
M Advanced that button changes to Simple, the top part of the
M interface where you enter search criteria changes, and the Advanced
M tab disappears.

Install Version 4.2.44.2 and be happy! 8-]}

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Re[2]: Can't send

2013-12-09 Thread Paul Van Noord
12/9/2013  9:00 AM

Hi Jack,

On 12/9/2013 Jack S. LaRosa wrote:


JSL Jernej, I must confess to not understanding your reply to my
JSL query.  I of course use TB!  to connect to my ISP for all
JSL email activities.  I don't understand POP3 server or
JSL proxy.

The proxy 127.0.0.1 refers to your computer. Some activity set up the
proxy. You need to look at what you were doing prior to getting the
error. POP3 is the protocol used to download your email to your
computer as opposed to viewing it on the server with IMAP.

JSL However, I am in the habit of
JSL shutting down and then restarting my computer every morning
JSL so this may have cured whatever the problem was.

Rebooting is always the best pill to give a sick computer!

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Paul

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Re[2]: Upgrade from 5.8.2 to 6.0.10

2013-12-08 Thread Paul Van Noord
12/8/2013  7:51 PM

Hi Paul,

On 12/8/2013 Paul Berger wrote:

PB Only one little annoyance.

PB In Windows 7 you cannot put the Bat icon onto the task bar.

On the System Tray at the right end of the TaskBar 
 Click on Customize

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Re[3]: Attachments not deleted with messages

2013-11-18 Thread Paul Van Noord
11/18/2013  7:03 AM

Hi Chris,

On 11/18/2013 Chris Wilson wrote:

CW Before I do so would someone storing messages in a separate directory
CW please see if they see the same? I thought it may be keeping a copy of
CW the attachment because *I* sent it, which would make sense as it
CW should also show in the sent mail folder, but I have also tried
CW deleting some messages from other people just sent to myself, with
CW attachments. The attachments are not deleted. I see a security issue
CW here, what if my wife finds these photos of my mistress, for example,
CW that I thought I'd deleted VBG et cetera, et cetera

CW The bind outgoing blah blah tick box makes no difference either, I am
CW not sure exactly what that's supposed to change.

CW Thanks.

As I learned long ago the attachments folder must be a sub-folder of
the Account folder. Do a search in Help for bind and all your
questions will be answered.

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Paul

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Re[2]: 4.2.44.2 folder view modes issue

2013-10-10 Thread Paul Van Noord
10/10/2013  7:00 AM

Hi Chris,

On 10/10/2013 Chris Wilson wrote:

CW On Wed, 9 Oct 2013 07:37:45 -0400, you wrote:


CW Seeing as you are also a very long time user I wonder if you ever see
CW TB! crash and just close instantly on a certain rogue e-mail when
CW downloading off the server? I see this once a week or so and have to
CW ry and isolate it on the server. usually when ALL other mails are
CW downloaded the rogue one will download without an issue. I can see
CW nothing odd in the headers or they type of mail or mailer. Usually
CW they are addressed to me direct and for filtering into my peronal mail
CW folder. It can be a pain dealing with these. Deleting and recreating
CW the filter didn't help, nor did subtly changing its form. Thanks
CW again!

Does it download OK if you remove the filter?

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Paul

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Re: 4.2.44.2 folder view modes issue

2013-10-09 Thread Paul Van Noord
10/9/2013  7:32 AM

Hi Chris,

On 10/9/2013 Chris Wilson wrote:

CW Is  this  backu  sytsem  known  to be flaky, and I better
CW copying the whole of the directory structure each night? Thanks.

Yes.. I have been using TB for 20 years and this is one of the lessons
learned. I use SecondCopy to do this automatically every 2 hours. The
other lesson learned is to not let TB do the encryption of the files.
Use TruCrypt to create an encrypted partition and store the TB files
there. Makes life alot more peaceful!

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Paul

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Re[2]: Spam Catchers

2013-09-27 Thread Paul Van Noord
9/27/2013  10:56 AM

Hi jb,

On 9/27/2013 jb_lists...@trink.co.uk wrote:

jtcu Hello David Elliott,

jtcu On Friday, September 27, 2013, 3:47:52 PM, David Elliott wrote:

 What do you all use to catch SPAM?

jtcu AntiSpamSniper - http://www.antispamsniper.com

jtcu I have been using it for years.

Ditto

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Paul

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Re[2]: How to see your own post (Gmail problem) (was: Unacceptable wrapping result)

2013-09-09 Thread Paul Van Noord
9/9/2013  8:29 AM

Hi MAU,

On 9/9/2013 MAU wrote:

M That is the problem. Blacklist may use whatever criteria they wish, the
M problem is that some sysadmins may decide to reject email based on what
M one or another blacklist tell them. That is the problem with the 
M server hosting tbudl. 

And many more! Years ago I determined that Gmail stood for garbage
(basura) mail...

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Paul

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Re[2]: Invalid ssl certificate

2013-05-11 Thread Paul Van Noord
5/11/2013  12:54 PM

Hi Thomas,

On 5/10/2013 Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF I am using avast! anti-virus. An update a few weeks ago caused this
TF problem (or something similar) for all accounts using TSL or SSL.

Avast 8 now checks encrypted mail transmission as stated in the
documentation supplied with the upgrade. It is necessary to export the
avast mail scanner certificate from the windows store and import it
into TB's trusted certificate store.

http://forum.avast.com/index.php?topic=116496.msg918874#msg918874

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Paul

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Re: The Bat! Plug-In Availability

2013-04-22 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/22/2013  8:10 AM

=== Your Message Below ===

Received From: Keith Russell  onoha...@fastmail.us
   On: 4/21/2013  11:28 PM

KR Hi TBUDL,

KR As  I've  used  TB!  off  and  on through the years, I have never been
KR successful  in  getting  anti-spam  and anti-virus plug-ins working. Now
KR that  I'm  back  to seriously using it again, I'm trying to track good
KR plug-ins--preferably free ones.

AntiSpamSniper Free is still available here:

http://www.freedownloadmanager.org/download/AntispamSniper_for_The_Bat!_Free_52148_p/free.htm

I use it every day and have done so for years.

-- 
Paul



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Re: ERROR: FETCH - could not store message

2013-01-09 Thread Paul Van Noord
1/9/2013  3:57 PM

Received From: Geoff Lane  ge...@gjctech.co.uk
   On: 1/9/2013  9:05 AM

GL Using The Bat! v5.2 on Windows XP Home SP3

GL I have a two-seat licence. I upgraded my wife's copy from 5.0.34 to
GL 5.2 and now she can't download new messages from our server. The
GL Connection Centre reports that it's retrieving all the messages
GL available but then reports an error similar to the following for each:

I wonder if it is because a new license is needed to do from 5.0.34 to
5.2.

Paul



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Re[2]: mass mailing using group name

2012-11-04 Thread Paul Van Noord
11/4/2012  5:27 PM

Received From: Achdut18  achdu...@gmail.com
   On: 11/4/2012  5:10 PM

M Put it in the BCC field instead. And generate an appropriate address
M to use in the To field, if you do not want it left blank.

A Unfortunately, this merely hides the list of recipients.  It does
A not get the group name in the header to be seen by the recipients.  

A Any other suggestions?

Create a contact using the group name and use this in the To: field

Paul



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Re[2]: Customer Service (was: How to get rid of the X-Priority field)

2012-03-12 Thread Paul Van Noord
3/12/2012  3:28 PM

Hi Geoff,

On 3/12/2012 Geoff Lane wrote:

GL I'm sorry that you feel frustrated. However, while I'm glad of all the
GL support that I can get when I need it, I don't take too kindly to
GL vendors putting me down -- and I suspect that there are others who
GL feel the same way. My post was in no way meant as a personal attack.
GL Rather, it was meant to be constructive; to help you and others
GL provide better service. FWIW, I would not have made my post if I
GL didn't then believe that you were representing Ritlabs or a reseller
GL in some official capacity.

Hmm... Maybe this is a better example of a put down:
  You are arrogant, self-centered and do not have a clue...

This is meant to be constructive to help you to treat people with
respect.

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Paul

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Re[2]: Move to a new computer

2011-07-10 Thread Paul Van Noord
7/10/2011  12:13 PM

Hi Jack,

On 7/10/2011 Jack wrote:

J Hi,

J I need to move TB from my old computer with XP to my new one with
J Windows 7.

J Using version 4.2.40

J The problem seems to be with the path. My old computer uses e:\...
J while my new one uses i:\When I start TB on the new one, it says
J it can't find e:\ I checked the path setting for that account and
J it is set to default, like all of the others. But I tried changing it
J by browsing and clicking to the new location but it still fails. If I
J restart and view the location in the settings it is correct, but the
J errors still occur for those folders and no emails are found.

J The email count for the folders is correct, showing there are X number
J of emails in each. They are just not visible.

J I tried another backup of just that one account and made sure all
J sub-folders were selected and the include sub-folders box was checked.
J But after restoring, the same thing happened.

J If I use the maintenance center and try to repair those folders, it
J says it can't be done because the message base doesn't exist.

J Does anyone have any suggestions as to what I can try next to get
J these missing emails to display?

Try correcting the path in your shortcut.

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Paul

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Re[2]: Put message in Outbox

2011-05-30 Thread Paul Van Noord
5/30/2011  9:32 AM

Hi MFPA,

On 5/29/2011 MFPA wrote:

 If you send severasl messages at once, do you mean in
 a queue, or simultaneously? TB! can do both:

M Either way, messages going out consume bandwidth and slow everything
M else down. A message or two at a time goes out without me noticing the
M performance hit but multiple messages (or large attachments) affect
M things for an extended period. My local SMTP server is limited to a
M maxiumum of 5 simultaneous threads but I currently have this set at 2.

Based on my experiences with non-powerful local SMTP server software
the performance hits you experience are part of the price of using the
local SMTP software, and not related to TB!'s performance.

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Paul

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No IMAP  No OTFE



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