Re: Sent messages to server IMAP folder

2016-02-01 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo TBUDL, 

Op zondag 31 januari 2016, 18:40:53, schreef Petr Laznovsky:

> I am new on IMAP: How could I config program to storing messages sent from 
> IMAP account to server
> SENT forlder, not only to local disc. Want to messages sent from
> desktop will be visible in webmail 
> connnected to this account.

Match the sent messages folder to a sever side folder via:
 Account -> Properties -> Mail management -> Set predefined folders...


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Re: To: line question

2015-11-25 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Chris,

Op woensdag 25 november 2015, 12:56:30, schreef Chris Wilson:

> If I reply to a Yahoo groups forum message the To: line often has both
> the sender's mail address and the Yahoo group's address. If I want the
> replies to posts to ONLY go to whatevergr...@yahoogroups.com what do I
> need to do, macro wise to ensure this please?

The yahoogroups I'm subscribed to all have the reply-to header set to
the list, in order to get something else you need to use macros. So
you'd best delete the macros in your template that handle the To:
header.

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Mod: Untrimmed reply (was: mail merge)

2015-10-07 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Jenny,

On Wed, 7 Oct 2015 08:40:41 +0200GMT (7-10-2015, 8:40, where I live),
you wrote:

JZ> Thank you - I'll start experimenting!


Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
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  )<)))'>

Please trim replies to context. A sure fire indicator that
insufficient trimming has been done is that the original signature
and list footer remain in the quoted text.

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Re: mail merge

2015-10-06 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo TBUDL, 

Op dinsdag 6 oktober 2015, 22:55:52, schreef Jenny Zonneveld:

> I haven't needed to do this for a very long time but I need to send
> a mailing based on an Excel sheet, the mail needs to contain some of
> the info contained in the spreadsheet (besides the name and e-mail address)

Save the excel sheet as .csv
Import the .csv in an address book group.
In order to maintain the integrity of your regular address book, I
suggest that you create a separate address book file just for this
action.
Besides the name and email you need to import the additional data in
that address book to, configure the import to insert those data in
fields that you don't use. that might be the home fax number, the
street of the personal or busines addresses, etc.

Create a template, for the additional data you insert the macro that
indicates that field, like %ABToFAX

The mass mailing has unexpected addresses when the address that it's
looking for occurs multiple times in the address book. Therefore
before you run the mass mailing, it's best to temporarily remove your
regular address book from your TB setup. (That's another reason to
import in a separate file.)
Afterwards you simply place your regular AB back and delete the
specioal import.

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Re: 2.12 Registration code

2015-10-01 Thread Roelof Otten
Op donderdag 1 oktober 2015, 22:29:23, schreef Richie G:

> Everything's great thanks, except I need to enter my registration code and
> of course I do not have a copy!

> Can anyone please tell me how to retrieve my registration?

In case your old system is still running, you can copy the key from
the registry.

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Re: Ceertum CA Directory?

2015-05-27 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Leonard,

Op dinsdag 26 mei 2015, 23:12:55, schreef Leonard S. Berkowitz:

 How can I make the default the Personal Address Book?

Select the personal address book - properties - use this book as
default for add/delete actions

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Re: Change from Pop3 to Imap

2015-04-27 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Susanne,

Op maandag 27 april 2015, 5:36:02, schreef Susanne:

 I don't seem to be able to move folders from one account into another.
 Am I missing something?
 Shift+Ctrl doesn't do it.

Select a filter
Press Ctrl-C
Select the new account
Press Ctrl-V

That's copying, I know, but it works.
Unfortunatly, you'll need to do this one filter a time, you cannot
select multiple filters in order to copy them.

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Re: TB1 V 5.8.10 splitting a 25 gig database for part storage, part continued usage?

2015-03-19 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Chris,

Op donderdag 19 maart 2015, 12:19:02, schreef Chris Wilson:

 How might I split a working TB! V 5.8.10 Home Edition database to put
 historical mail into storage, yet keep stuff say 2 years old and newer
 for continued immediate access and usage please? OS is Windows 7 64
 bit. I envisage trying to have historical stuff on a storage drive,
 yet be able to keep more recent mail and all folder hierarchies as
 is for instant continued access if you follow? Many thanks.

Create a dummy account, set the home directory for that account to
your storage device, create the relevant folders in that account and
move your historical stuff to those folders.
When ready, delete the account and tell TB to keep the files on disk.
That way they're removed from your current message base and
reletivel;y easy to restore. (Simply add the storage account to your
setup)


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Re: The withdrawal of the @thebat.net e-mail addresses

2015-03-16 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Ian,

Op maandag 16 maart 2015, 12:40:42, schreef Ian A. White:

 List-Unsubscribe: https://hosting.0x539.de/mailman/options/tbudl,
 mailto:tbudl-requ...@thebat.dutaint.com?subject=unsubscribe
 List-Subscribe: https://hosting.0x539.de/mailman/listinfo/tbudl,
 mailto:tbudl-requ...@thebat.dutaint.com?subject=subscribe

 Because of this change, is there any way the list managers can send 
 this reminder early as I believe it will end up being extremely close 
 to the shut down. This will allow people to change their settings.

Unsubscribe by sending a message with your thebat.net address to the
unsubscribe mailto

Subscribe with your new address by sending a message to the subscribe
address.

These kludges are included in every message from the TB-lists

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Re: Feature laundry list from administration - help!

2015-02-26 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo TBUDL, 

Op woensdag 25 februari 2015, 22:04:58, schreef Diana Calder:

 - Presentation of email to be received or sent without bracket lead

Use %Text instead of %Quotes

 - Footnote contact information remains with the body of the email.
 (presently the footnote is at the bottom of the page under the email trail)

Put it above the quote in in the template and skip the signature
delimiter in your signature

 - Able to link directly to websites or online forms

That should be possible

 - Able to accept meeting invitations (outlook)
 - Able to link directly to a calendar function
 - Sharable calendar for admin staff

Can't be done, TB isn't integrated with a PIM like Outlook

 - Able to save email in word document file

Can't be done, however TB supports plain text and so does Word

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Re: Transforming IMAP folders into common folders

2014-12-18 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo TBUDL, 

Op donderdag 18 december 2014, 12:38:36, schreef Luca:

 My problem is: how do I transform an IMAP folder into a common folder, when I
 don't have access to the imap server anymore? 

Changing a imap folder into a common folder is not possible. By its
nature an imap folder is remote (stored on the server) whereas a
common is local. (stored on your own computer)
The solution would be to create a new common folder and copy your
remote messages to that new folder.

 It seems I cannot even copy a single message from an IMAP folder to a
 different one, if I'm not connected to the IMAP server.

But it looks like you've tried that already.
IMAP is stored remote, if you cannot access the server, you cannot
access the messages.
There might be a workaround: the IMAP cache.
Create a new common folder.
Don't store any messages there.
Switch to the imap folder you want to 'restore'
From the menu: Folder - Properties
Here you'll find the full path to the IMAP cache of that folder
something like some path\accountname\IMAP\SDF456.TBB
Write that down.
Shut down TB
Copy the TBB file to the directory matching with your recently created
common folder and rename it to MESSAGES.TBB.
As it was an empty foldeer there shouldn't be any MESSAGES.* in that
directory, otherwise delete them beforehand.
Start TB and switch to the common folder.
If you're lucky you've got the messages.
Might depend on what you've got stored in the imap cache.
I didn't try this myself.

In the future when you stop using an imap server, copy the messages
before the actual stopping to your local message base. 

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Re: HTTP links not clickable in html mode, but they are in text mode?

2013-11-11 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Chris,

On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 15:35:04 +GMT (11-11-2013, 16:35 , where I
live), you wrote:

CW If I write an e-mail with say http://www.gatesgarth.com in a message
CW it is not clickable when posted, if I am viewing in html mode, but if I
CW change to text mode it is. 
CW Why is that please, 
 
That's because of the way that HTML is defined.
In order to have something clickable, it needs to have tags around it that are 
parsed by the message viewer.
You as the recipient won't see those tags, you'll onbly see that they're 
clickable.
A text doesn't have to be an address to be clickable, the tags around it have 
to refer to an address.
This message is composed in HTML, so I can show some examples:
click here this doesn't show an address, but it does point to one
google.com this points to the shown address
www.chriswilson.tv this points to a different address than it shows, a 
technique that's often used in fishing mails
http://www.gatesgarth.com this does shouldn't point to anything


CW and can i change something? Thanks.

Nope. The HTML-viewer works as intended.
That the text viewer shows addresses as clickable is a feature and I don't 
think you can disable it.

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Re: HTTP links not clickable in html mode, but they are in text mode?

2013-11-11 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Roelof,

On Mon, 11 Nov 2013 17:12:08 +0100GMT (11-11-2013, 17:12 , where I
live), you wrote:

RO This message is composed in HTML, so I can show some examples:

Aww. Shucks.
Apparently the list server strips the HTML component, because the copy
in my sent mail folder is HTML/plain text and the list copy is plain
text.

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Re: SSL TLS

2013-10-01 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Ian,

On Tue, 1 Oct 2013 16:47:26 +1000GMT (1-10-2013, 8:47 , where I
live), you wrote:

IAW Regular
IAW Secure to regular port (STARTTLS)
IAW Secure to dedicated port (TLS)

IAW Which one do I use?

Depends on the port you have to use.


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Re: moving filters between common filters and account filters

2013-10-01 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo monsell,

On Tue, 1 Oct 2013 13:52:40 +0530GMT (1-10-2013, 10:22 , where I
live), you wrote:

M please assist and advice how to move filters between account filters
M and common filters.

Select the filter you want to move
Press Ctrl C
Select the new location for the filter
Press Ctrl V
Now you've copied the filter to it's new location, because you can't
move filters between accounts. Therefore you return to the original
filter and delete it.

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Re: SSL TLS

2013-10-01 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Ian,

On Tue, 1 Oct 2013 19:03:43 +1000GMT (1-10-2013, 11:03 , where I
live), you wrote:

IAW The thing is that for outgoing they say SSL/TLS, bit for incoming they
IAW just say SSL.

Basically SSL shouldn't be used anymore, TLS fixed some bugs in the
protocol, IIRC. However, people still call it SSL even when they're
using TLS.

IAW At the moment I have both set to TLS and the incoming port is 995 wit 
IAW the outgoing one 465.

That should work.

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Re: Is therer a definitive list of macros?

2013-09-16 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Tony,

On Mon, 16 Sep 2013 22:14:39 +0100GMT (16-9-2013, 23:14 , where I
live), you wrote:

TH To avoid the guessing, is there an up to date reference?

All of the address book related macros can be found in the hep file:
 Help - Help Topics - Macros - Full alphabetic list of macros
Look at ABnnnPPP

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Re: No subject in replies

2013-09-12 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Jack,

On Thu, 12 Sep 2013 09:16:05 -0500GMT (12-9-2013, 16:16 , where I
live), you wrote:

JSL Ok, here's the NEW template:

Nothing in your templates that should empty the subject header.
Though I'd use %SetEditor=1%- in both templates.


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Re: Default New Message Editor

2013-09-06 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Steven,

On Fri, 6 Sep 2013 15:23:51 -0400GMT (6-9-2013, 21:23 , where I
live), you wrote:

SPV Is there any way to change the default editor that
SPV TB! uses when creating new messages?

Yep.

SPV I went into Options|Preferences to the Viewer/Editor item
SPV and tried all four possible settings for the Default editor
SPV for text setting, but TB! always gives my MicroEd and plain
SPV text.

That should work, even though it can be overruled with the %SetEditor=?
macro (substitute the question mark with 1, 2, 3 or 4) You can usae
that macro in accopunt, folde and address book templates. (I'm using
it for the latter)

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Re: Default To: address for a mailing list

2013-08-12 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Robert,

On Sun, 11 Aug 2013 22:30:33 +0100GMT (11-8-2013, 23:30 , where I
live), you wrote:

RB When addressing a new message to a group, or replying to a message,
RB one has to use the official group address, which for this group is
RB TBUDL tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com. Please, is there any way to set the
RB default To: address for New: and Reply: messages to the official group
RB address, when in mailing list folders?

That can be done by using a folder template that uses the To= macro,
for this list that would be something like this:
%To='TBUDL tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com'%-
However, you should be very very very carefull with using these kind
of macro in folder templates, because this macro adds the tbudl
address to the existing To: header.
Consider this scenario:
You've been reading your tbudl mail and you start browsing, you enter
the site of your bank and a question rises. You click on the mailto
link at your bank site and start a message to your bank.
Nothing special, you'd say. But because TB still has its focus on the
tbudl folder it uses that template and it'll add the tbudl address to
your To: header, so your message is being sent to your bank and tbudl.

Don't think it won't happen to you. Over the years this has happened
regularly. Not especially banks, but several messages containing
private stuff that shouldn't appear on public mailing lists. It's no
matter if it will happen, but only when. It happens when you've got a
lot of things on your mind, that's when you're most vulnerable.

Is there an alternative?
Yes, there is a good alternative.
Enter the mailing lists to your address book. Don't wonder about the
address, simply send a message to tbudl and TB will auto-complete the
address from your address book. In your address book you can enter
special templates, so you can personalize your list messages to your
own taste. Not only your new messages, but also your replies.
Most mailing lists force replies back to the list by placing a
reply-to header in the message. So the reply goes to the list.
If you want to force TB to keep your reply general so it's clear that
you reply toi the list, set something like this in the reply template
in the address book entry of the list.
(example is for tbudl)

%To=%To='TBUDL tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com'%-
Hi guys,

It happened that %OFromName piped something to this list and here's
two cents that I want to add:

Continue with the rest of a proper reply template...

I hope this set you on the right track.


As a final remark I'd like to add: folder templates are a very usefull
feature (I use several of them), but don't you ever force them to a
set recipient, you'll get hurt.

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Re: Connection Centre Problem

2013-06-18 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Gene,

On Tue, 18 Jun 2013 09:39:00 -0400GMT (18-6-2013, 15:39 , where I
live), you wrote:

GB The problem has re-appeared.  After initially working after the last
GB reinstall, I now have the same problem.  As far as I know, nothing

Sounds like a firewall problem.
Disable the the firewall and see whether that fixes the problem.

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Re: Like response

2013-06-15 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Stephane,

On Fri, 14 Jun 2013 13:56:54 +0200GMT (14-6-2013, 13:56 , where I
live), you wrote:

SB I use this kind of filter rules associated with a function key,
SB but could it be possible to use those rules in a menu ?  (thus
SB allowing to customize menus with a command like Execute manual rule ...).

I don't think that's possible.

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Re: Like response

2013-06-11 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Ralph,

On Mon, 10 Jun 2013 10:18:17 -0700GMT (10-6-2013, 19:18 , where I
live), you wrote:

RJ Is  it  possible to create a template or other method to reply to an email
RJ with  the simple text I like this or something similar, regardless of in
RJ which account or folder the original email is read?  

Yep.
Create a common filter with the action 'send automatic reply'
Define a template for that action with the text you prefer.
Set the filter to be used for all accounts. (Share with... tab)
Set the filter to be used for manual refiltering only (Options tab)


RJ --

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Your signature delimiter isn't functioning, it should be dash, dash,
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Re: Addressbook entry issues

2013-05-20 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Ian,

On Mon, 20 May 2013 09:23:52 +1000GMT (20-5-2013, 1:23 , where I
live), you wrote:

IAW When I add a contact to a particular group in my addressbook, the 
IAW entry also shows up in the addressbook root group. If I delete it from
IAW the root or the particular group I added it to, both entries get 
IAW deleted.

The problem is that you don't understand the exact structure of the
address book. You're seeing the address groups and as they are shown
as folders, you think they are folders.
However, TB's address groups aren't folders, they're labels. So when
you delete an entry from the root, you also delete it from the groups
it was part of, because you delete the actual entry.
It doesn't work the other way around (even though you seem to claim
so) Deleting an entry from a group merely erases the group label for
that entry. (Yes, I've tested that multiple times before posting that
here.)
You can also a single entry to multiple groups whether those groups
have any connections with other or not.
In a follow up message you found out about the 'hide items if not
explicitly selected' option for an address group. Thjat option does
two things. It stops the entry from being displayed in the root and
when you delete such a message from a group, it'll be completely
deleted from the address book.
Those options stop working when you add an entry to a group with the
hide items enabled and to a group without that option enabled.

Adding an entry to a group with the 'hide items..' option enabled will
keep it from being disp[layed in the root. So if you want it back and
you create a new entry in the root,  (You might want it there, after
all) then you will have two entries with the same address. Look into
the properties, if you've got one entry then the one entry will tell
you to what groups that address belongs, but with two entries, they
will show different group settings.
Basically that is a bad thing. Multiple entries with the same address
need to be changed all when that address changes (more work), but more
important, the address book templates you've created for one of those
entries won't work as expected, you'll never know what template
settings you'll be using.

All in all, TB's addres book is a wonderfull thing even tough you need
to sit down a bit in order to understand it.


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Re: secure use of The Bat

2013-05-10 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Avram,

On Fri, 10 May 2013 14:36:17 -0500GMT (10-5-2013, 21:36 , where I
live), you wrote:

A I  forgot  to ask:  if I want to use PGP with a client, does that mean
A that they also need to use The Bat as their e-mail client?

Nope.

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Re: secure use of The Bat

2013-05-07 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Avram,

On Tue, 7 May 2013 00:21:07 -0500GMT (7-5-2013, 7:21 , where I live),
you wrote:

A 1. requiring use of a password to open The Bat

Yes, switch to an encrypted message base, that'll mean that you need
to enter a master password on starting TB. (Or you have to provide a
hardware token.)
This also means that you cannot read the message base itself with
third party tools. (The unencrypted message base can be read with any
text editor.)

A 2.   setting   up   client folders within a mail account such that the
A folders  can only be opened with a password

When using a plain message base, you can set passwords on accounts,
but not on folders. Thios option is unavailable with OTFE

A 3.  requiring  the use of a password to open up mail from a designated
A e-mail address.

Not possible.

A using The Bat Professional Edition ver 5.3.8 on Windows XP Pro, sp3.

If I were you I'd go for OTFE, you've got the license for it and it is
the most secure option.

BTW Your signature delimiter doesn't work as intended, it should be
dash dash space on a line by itself, my guess is that you didn't
include the trailing space.

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Re: secure use of The Bat

2013-05-07 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Avram,

On Tue, 7 May 2013 12:45:03 -0500GMT (7-5-2013, 19:45 , where I
live), you wrote:
A Tuesday, May 7, 2013, 10:53:03 AM, you wrote:

A 1. requiring use of a password to open The Bat
RO Yes, switch to an encrypted message base,
A Need hand-holding here.

A a. What does this functionally mean? If the message base is encrypted,
A does this protect messages, even if someone someone hacks the computer
A and is somehow able to access the folders where messages are stored
A without opening The Bat?

Your message base will be encrypted and cannot be read by other
programs, nor can TB access it without being issued the proper
password.

A b. How does one encrypt an existing message base? Will this encrypt
A all accounts?  Or must each account be individually encrypted?

It will encrypt all accounts  with the same key. It'll also encrypt
your log files, address book, tabs maiontaioned with smartbat, etc.

A c.  Does  this  mean outgoing messages will be encrypted such that the
A recipient will need a key to open the messages or, am I confusing what
A is called PGP with message base encryption?

The messages will be sent unencrypted unless you're using somnething
like PGP.

A d. I have over a dozen e-mail accounts. Possibly, I might only be
A interested in securing one of them. To do that, I would just secure
A the  account  as opposed to the entire message base?   Is this done by
A going to account and set access password?

A password on one account won't encrypt the message base. It'll merely
restrict TB being used with that account without the password. (Though
there are way around that.)

A 2.   setting   up   client folders within a mail account such that the
A folders  can only be opened with a password

RO When using a plain message base, you can set passwords on accounts,
RO but not on folders. This option is unavailable with OTFE

A What is OTFE?

OTFE: On The Fly Encryption, that's the official name for TB's
encrypted message base feature.

A 3.  requiring  the use of a password to open up mail from a designated
A e-mail address.

RO Not possible.

A Now,  I am really confused.  You wrote that I can set a password on an
A account,  but  then  you said it isn't possible to open up mail from a
A designated e-mail address.

I thought you meant an address for one of your contacts.


As for starting OTFE.
Create a backup with TB.
Unistall TB
Delete the existing message base
Delete the registry settings for TB
Install TB again
On TB's first run tell it to  use OTFE
Restore the backup


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Re: Floating filter box

2013-05-02 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Jack,

On Thu, 2 May 2013 11:19:59 -0400GMT (2-5-2013, 17:19 , where I
live), you wrote:

A I disabled some menus and now I get a white box hovering over the
A incoming messages. If I type something into the box and press enter,
A a tab is added to the bottom of the message area named Filter and the
A messages are filtered based on what I type in.

I guess that's the quick search toolbar, either disable it via the
menu or drag it back to the menu section.

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Re: Fonts et al

2013-05-01 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Jack,

On Wed, 1 May 2013 09:25:40 -0500GMT (1-5-2013, 16:25 , where I
live), you wrote:

JSL So, two questions remain; Why does that macro have to be included when 
Use a specific
JSL template for new messages box is ticked and why doesn't the macro appear 
in my
JSL drop-down list of macros? Does it appear in yours?

The SetEditor macro doesn't appear in my drop down list for new
macros, that list doesn't contain all macros, but only the most used
ones.
The SetEditor macro has four options: 1, 2, 3, 4
%SetEditor=1 sets MicroEd, 2 sets the Windows plain text editor, 3
sets HTML and plain text, 4 sets HTML only
The only reason you need to set it is when you want to use a different
editor in a certain message from your default editor.
The use a specific template for new messages box only means that
you'll be using specific template, not that it'll be handled in a
different editor, it's stioll being processed by your default editor
settings, unless you change that editor manually or with the SetEditor
macro.

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Re: Fonts et al

2013-05-01 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Jack,

On Wed, 1 May 2013 15:59:15 -0500GMT (1-5-2013, 22:59 , where I
live), you wrote:

JSL It's confirmed.  If the %SetEditor=1% macro is in the body of TBUDL's 
reply
JSL template, the subject field doesn't get filled in when I reply to a TBUDL
JSL message.

Apparently that's because you've made a typo.
It shouldn't be %SetEditor=1% but either %SetEditor=1%- or %SetEditor=1
The SetEditor macro needs %SetEditor=1
The %- macro that I used behind it is intended for merey cosmetic
reasons.
Either the trailing % of your macro combines with some part of the
text in the message body and creates an unintended macro or you've put
it somewhere in another macro and therefore messing that up.
I suggest that you place this: %SetEditor=1%-
(that's including the trailing dash) on a line by itself either on the
first line of your template or on the last line of your template.
That way you're sure that it doesn't mess up other macros.

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Re: Fonts et al

2013-04-30 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Jack,

On Tue, 30 Apr 2013 09:14:01 -0500GMT (30-4-2013, 16:14 , where I
live), you wrote:

RO The address book template for new messages will only be used when you
RO first select the receipient and afterwards start typing the message.
RO When first typing (part of) the message and then setting ther
RO recipient, the AB template won't be used.

JSL I'm confused Roelof.  The first part of the above paragraph tells me (I 
think)
JSL that if I open the AB, select (highlight) a recipient and then click the 
Create
JSL a new message icon, the AB template WILL be used, assuming the Use a 
specific
JSL template for new messages box is ticked.  But that method doesn't seem to 
work
JSL for me.

I decided to test your settings, so I set the default editor to HTML
only and afterwards to HTML with alternative plain text. And behold,
the behaviour you were describing took place. New messages to tbudl
were in HTML even though replies were in plain text.
Upon closer inspection it appeared that my reply-template included the
macro %SetEditor=1%- where my new message template didn't. (It
hadn't been necessary in all those years as plain text was my default)
So that was the reason I got HTML messages, not that the template
wasn't used, but it didn't contain all the proper ingredients.

In my previous post I forgot a reason that might stop the use of
defined address book templates. When you've got multiple address book
entries with the same address then the templates won't be used as
expected. So you might check for multiple entries for tbudl.

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Re: Fonts et al

2013-04-29 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Jack,

On Mon, 29 Apr 2013 11:23:49 -0500GMT (29-4-2013, 18:23 , where I
live), you wrote:

JSL If I use a particular font when composing HTML messages, does the font 
travel
JSL with the message?

No.

JSL In other words, will the recipient see the font I used in
JSL composing the message even if they don't have that font installed on their
JSL computer?

In order to do that, you'd need the font to be attached to the message
and on receipt to be installed on the receiving computer. HTML doesn't
support that kind of actions. Apart from that think of the safety
risks that that would bring.

JSL In another vein, it appears that TB! is the only recipient I write to which
JSL won't accept anything *not* written in plain text.  Can I set the editor to
JSL always use HTML but restrict message to TB! to always be in plain text?  
In my
JSL AB I have the TB! new message template set to plain text and the Use a
JSL specific template for new messages box is ticked but when the editor is 
set to
JSL HTML in OPTIONS-PREFERENCES, it overrides the new message template in 
TB!.

The address book template for new messages will only be used when you
first select the receipient and afterwards start typing the message.
When first typing (part of) the message and then setting ther
recipient, the AB template won't be used.

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Re: Log Files

2013-03-20 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Mark,

On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:57:20 +0100GMT (20-3-2013, 9:57 , where I
live), you wrote:

RO However, for the next time something like this occurs, you could set
RO the account log a bit larger. TB's default log size is 20 kB, but it
RO can easily handle log file of 1000 kB. (Mine is set to 4000 kB)

MP I did not find where to change the size, yet.

 Account - Properties - Options - Maximum account log size

MP Does a larger log size cause a slowdown?

 Not that I'm aware of, but I changed the maximum log size about ten
 years ago, so I can't compare. ;-)

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Re: Reply, address history and the address book

2013-03-18 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Leonard,

On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 11:56:36 -0400GMT (17-3-2013, 16:56 , where I
live), you wrote:

LB Even though I have a reply template for an addressee, TheBat seem to
LB ignore it. For example, I receive a lot of e-mail from people with
LB titles (Dr. Professor, etc.). Frequently their titles are part of
LB their names that preced the email address. In the case of those
LB people whom I know personally, I like to address them by their first
LB names, and have a reply template to do exactly that. TheBat ignores
LB the template and starts the replay e-mail with Dr., Proffessor, etc.)

This is very basic.
Personal address book templates taske precedence over address groups
templates, the latter take precedence over folder templates and
finally there are account templates.

There are two reasons that existing address book templates aren't
triggered:
1) the address occurs in multiple entries
2) the address with the temnplateisn't the first address inth To: HEADER

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Re: Log Files

2013-03-17 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Mark,

On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 01:11:05 +0100GMT (17-3-2013, 1:11 , where I
live), you wrote:

MP Are  the  log  files  being  archived  somewhere  or  is  what we
MP get to see when we click the View
MP Accountlog-button, all that is left?

 Find your mail directory, every account has its own log file in its
 own account directory. What I get to see with view log is not the
 latest entry in the loig file, but that might be a beta issue.


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Re: Log Files

2013-03-17 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Mark,

On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 10:14:28 +0100GMT (17-3-2013, 10:14 , where I
live), you wrote:

MP Thanks, but that log also merely goes back to 16/03/2013 while I
MP wanted to be able to proof (in case
MP it was necessary) a message was sent on the 13th.

In that case you're out of luck.
However, for the next time something like this occurs, you could set
the account log a bit larger. TB's default log size is 20 kB, but it
can easily handle log file of 1000 kB. (Mine is set to 4000 kB)

MP The  Back-Up  made  with  TB! itself dates from the 5th (It
MP sometimes does not make a copy saying it
MP doesn't  find  the  HD  on  which the copy has to be made - the
MP HD is there but it has another Drive
MP Letter than TB! searches for - TB seems to be the only program
MP that sees a change of drive letter).

TB does need a fixed path to the backup location, can't be helped.

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Re: Changing Keyboard Shortcuts

2013-03-06 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Ian,

On Wed, 6 Mar 2013 15:47:23 +1100GMT (6-3-2013, 5:47 , where I live),
you wrote:

IAW Where do you change the keyboard shortcuts?

 Workspace - Toolbars - Customise - Shortcuts
 For older versions it was
 View - Toolbars - Customise - Shortcuts

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Re: Font change in the middle of the stream

2013-02-08 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Jack,

On Fri, 8 Feb 2013 18:27:36 -0600GMT (9-2-2013, 1:27 , where I live),
you wrote:

JSL Can anyone tell me how to change fonts during the creation of a reply,
JSL specifically?  If I copy something from a different email and paste it 
into the
JSL reply I'm composing, and the paste is in a different font, can I change it?

  When you've got different fonts in your message then yopu're using an
  html editor, so yopu can enable the formatting toolbar.
  (In the ditor menu: view - toolbars - formatting)
  Now select the text you want to reformat and change the selected
  font.
  Basically just as in every other text editor.

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Re: Mail

2013-02-03 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Gunivortus,

On Sun, 3 Feb 2013 14:34:07 +0100GMT (3-2-2013, 14:34 , where I
live), you wrote:

GG What could cause this in TB?
GG I really don't know where to start searching the problem.

POP3 or IMAP?
If POP3: Do you store the mail on the server for some time or do you
delete them at once? If so, some mail servers sometimes change the id
of the stored messages, thus making the client think that the messages
have been downloaded already. A different client that doesn't have a
download history will download everything.
If IMAP: Maybe a view mode that filters some messages?

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Re: Transfer rather than backup and restore

2013-01-19 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Elaine,

On Sat, 19 Jan 2013 23:53:09 +0100GMT (19-1-2013, 23:48 , where I
live), you wrote:

E I have a huge amount of mail. Can it be moved from
E one computer to another by transferring files and
E folders rather than backing up and restoring the
E material?

Yep, just copy your mail directory to your new computer, install TB
and point it to the copied mail directory on its first run. Create a
new account and give it the name of one of your existing accounts, the
settings will be copied from disk. The other accounts should be picked
up automatically, but if they don't then create a new account with the
name of an existing account directory again.

E --
Your signature delimiter doesn't work, it should be dash, dash, space,
enter. I think yours is missing the trailing space.

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Re: ERROR: FETCH - could not store message

2013-01-09 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Geoff,

On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 14:05:30 +GMT (9-1-2013, 15:05 , where I
live), you wrote:

GL FETCH - could not store message (file name - 
C:\DOCUME~1\Jan\LOCALS~1\Temp\bat47.tmp)

Thaty kind of error is most likely to occur when you're downloading a
message that contains a virus. The message gets downloaded to temp,
the virus scanner kicks in and deletes the message.
TB tries to import it and can't find it.
Use either the mail dispatcher
 (accont - dispatch mail on server)
or your ISP's webmail in order to delete the infected message.

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Re: ERROR: FETCH - could not store message

2013-01-09 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Geoff,

On Wed, 9 Jan 2013 15:33:02 +GMT (9-1-2013, 16:33 , where I
live), you wrote:

GL Unfortunately, I doubt that this is due to a virus for the following
GL reasons:

In that case it might a something like a firewall that kicks in when
TB tries to do something. Is you're wife using a different firewall or
different settings?

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Re: occasional filter failures + missing data

2012-10-24 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Avram,

On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 03:29:41 -0500GMT (23-10-2012, 10:29 , where I
live), you wrote:

RO It's using the same message base, is that by using the same mail
RO directory or is it using a local mail directory with some extra
RO pointing to specific account folders?

A I am not sure.

You can check that by searching for the mail directory.
The place where you configure where your mail directory is located is:
 Options - Preferences - System - Mail Directory

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Re: occasional filter failures + missing data

2012-10-23 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Avram,

On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 21:58:22 -0500GMT (21-10-2012, 4:58 , where I
live), you wrote:

A However, within the past 5-6 months, I have observed that a small
A number of messages for those accounts do not get filtered with each
A mail download and remain in an account's inbox until I use the
A re-filter tool to properly distribute those messages. In each case,
A the non-filtered messages belong in the last active folder (or
A folders) in the list of that account's folders.

Are those pop3 or imap accounts?
In case they're imap accounts, you could consider deleting the imap
cache.
You're using v4.2.44. Have you considered upgrading to v5.0.36 that's
the last version that should work with a v4 license.
(http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/archive_versions/)

Is the laptop that accesses the same message base using the same
version?
It's using the same message base, is that by using the same mail
directory or is it using a local mail directory with some extra
pointing to specific account folders?

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Re: Executing a manual rule trough the contextual menu...

2012-09-28 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Stephane,

On Fri, 28 Sep 2012 12:12:45 +0200GMT (28-9-2012, 12:12 , where I
live), you wrote:

SB The problem is : choosing and remembering the right hotkey... 
SB thus i was thinking : in place of a hotkey, could it be possible
SB to execute the rule trough the contextual menu ?

I don't think that's possible.
And to complicate your wish about adding it to the menu, filters (and
therefiore the hotkeys assigned to them) are account specific. So
adding those hotkeys to the menu would mean that the menu would change
for every account.

Another way to do these resends to a collegue would be to create an
event that runs this filter of yours every 15 minutes, but only
against one folder. That way you don't need to remember any hotkeys,
but you move a message to that given folder and the scheduler will
take care of resending and archiving the message.

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Re: Backup

2012-09-11 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Leonard,

On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 04:54:05 -0400GMT (11-9-2012, 10:54 , where I
live), you wrote:

LSB 1. It seems that the only thing that I can figure is where to keep the
LSB backup itself. Is there anything else that I can control, like when
LSB the backup is to run?

Last time I checked (but I haven't used the auto backup for a long
time), you could set the time of the backup, the recurrence (once
every x days) and what you'd like to backup.
It can all be set at:
 Options - Preferences -  System - Auto backup

LSB 2. Is there some way to run a backup more than once a day?

Sure, but not with the auto backup. I'm using an event in the
taskmanager to do my backups. You can set such an event to run every
five minutes if you need that many backups. ;-)

LSB 3. Is there any logging of the operation of a backup?

I'm not sure about that. TB does its logging account based and a
backup does multiple accounts.
When you're running an event that does your backups, you might add an
action that adds something to one of TB's account logs, or even in a
dedicated backup-log, but that's the only thing I can think of.


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Re: Backup

2012-09-11 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Leonard,

On Tue, 11 Sep 2012 09:59:47 -0400GMT (11-9-2012, 15:59 , where I
live), you wrote:

LB What happens if I am using theBat when the backup starts? Will it
LB fail? or will the user hang until the backup compleres or gets beyond
LB a ceratin pint?

The backup will run and TB will freeze.

LB Will there be one or more messages that are in a dirty state and
LB will not be backed up?

Mail collection will continue, but I'm not sure whether messages that
are being received actually will end up in the backup. My guess is
that messages that are destined for folders that aren't backupped yet,
will be included in the backup, but messages that are destined for
folders that were processed by the backup process will be ignored.

LB And other negative effects?

Apart from the freezing I can't think of any negative effects.

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Re: inline jpeg images received inconsistently depending on receiving mailer

2012-09-01 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Thomas,

On Sat, 1 Sep 2012 10:56:38 +0700GMT (1-9-2012, 5:56 , where I live),
you wrote:

SA Thus gmail (and Eudora) were relating to the picture as an attachment.
SA This says that int_1.jpg is an attachment.

TF I replied to your mail by embedding a picture, but it was too big for
TF this list (unless a moderator lets it through).

Well, I let it through, but the list server stripped the attachment.

TF So, it's MIME encoded like an attachment, but then, every HTML mail
TF is, isn't it? Isn't any HTML part technically an attachment?

Actually every HTML part should be an attachment, though some clients
don't do it that way when they're sending HTML-only messages without
pictures.
When the message includes inline pictures, the pictures need to be
sent along with the message and that has to be done as attachments.
The HTML body wil be referring to those attachments and the HTML part
will also be defined as a separate part like an attachment, just as
the text part is when your using attachments.
However, both the text part and the HTML part don't need to be MIME
encoded, they can be sent as readable text. Pictures always need to be
MIME encoded as they might contain characters that aren't allowed in
e-mails, hence the encoding.

TF In truth, I don't know anything, just throwing these header fragements
TF into the list to see whether this is really wrong behaviour of TB!.

I saw your message as it was stopped by the server and then the
message contained the picture as an inline picture. Hoewever, that was
read by TB and as HTML in e-mail is a bit of a gray area, some clients
do stuff different.

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Re: (Slightly OT) How to buy Version 2.12 -- that is the question, NOW!

2012-08-17 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Mica,

On Thu, 16 Aug 2012 18:28:38 +0200GMT (16-8-2012, 18:28 , where I
live), you wrote:

MM I'd want to buy your version 2.12 of TheBat!, if is anyhow possible, as
MM soon as possible.

As most of us (who have been 2.12) have upgraded their version for the
upgrade fee instead of purchasing a full version, I'm afraid that
selling it would be illegal.

moderator on

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Re: Missing buttons

2012-07-06 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Leonard,

On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 08:13:26 -0400GMT (6-7-2012, 14:13 , where I
live), you wrote:

LB How can I restore these buttons?

Close TB
Go to your mail directory
Rename the file tbuser.def to tbuser.def.old
Start TB
That will remedy this. However, it will also delete all shortcuts and
interface changes that you made.

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Re: adding account to two computers

2012-07-06 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Avram,

On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 02:13:50 -0500GMT (6-7-2012, 9:13 , where I live),
you wrote:

A I attempted to add this same account to the
A other pc by copying and pasting the account folder from one pc to the
A other using windows explorer.  However, when I opened up The Bat on
A the second pc, the new account does not show up.

TB stores the number of accounts in the registry. Therefore it won't
look for more accounts.
Create a new account with the same name as your new account folder, TB
will recognise those settings.

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Re: adding account to two computers

2012-07-06 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Avram,

On Fri, 6 Jul 2012 13:46:41 -0500GMT (6-7-2012, 20:46 , where I
live), you wrote:

SA will The
SA Bat automatically apply the changes that I set up on PC1?

yep

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Re: To and CC addressing panes not working

2012-06-19 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Leonard,

On Tue, 19 Jun 2012 09:53:41 -0400GMT (19-6-2012, 15:53 , where I
live), you wrote:

LB The other day, I installed a Hebrew add-in to MS Word. It was not
LB working. The support rep suggested that I change my regional setting
LB in Control Panel to Hebrew (Israel) from English (United States). That
LB led to the problem, although I am not quite sure how. When I finally
LB got the addi-in working, I changed the region back to English and the
LB addressing problem in theBat disappeared.

Well, I wouldn't have expected that the regional setting had some
influence on this. But good to know that it has been solved.

LB As for 5.0.36, I usually wait until I receive a notice from Ritlabs.
LB Should I do so anyway (anyway that I have not received a notice and
LB anyway that I have solved my addessing problem)?

Basically that's up to you. It's the latest 5.0 version, so it should
be valid for your license as you're using 5.0.20 now.
The change log mentions this as improvements:

5.0.32
--
[-] (#0008969) Extra underscore in quick templates
[-] Charsets are not used when importing from vCard
[-] (#0008973) The text turn into Asian font when a quick template is inserted
[-] Exception in TLogThread can prevent program from being closed
[-] (#0008959) Missing string Download Folder Contents task in CC queue
[-] (#0008985) Translated labels in QR Code Generator are wrongly positioned
[-] (#0008990) Option Do not store password, prompt for mail retrieval is 
enabled by default when creating new account
[-] (0008646) /EXPORT command line parameter gave Invalid pointer operation 
error
[-] Fixed Access Violation error when adding or viewing untrusted Root 
certificates during a TLS connection


5.0.30
--
[+] An IMAP fine-tune option to resend IDLE command each 30 seconds, may be 
useful if a router in between closes idle TCP/IP connections
[+] %VALIDFILECHARS macro that takes an argument and to replaces invalid 
characters to underscore (or character from the second argument). It is useful 
in Sorting Office Filters that create folders and uses other macros like %OSUBJ 
as a folder name, e.g. %VALIDFILECHARS=%OSUBJ 
[+] The Bat is now able to handle Certificate Request Files (PKCS#10). If you 
try import this request file to your list of certificates, The Bat! will search 
for certificates with private keys that has permission to sign certificates, 
and will sign the request, so you will import the signed certificate rather 
than the request.
[+] When clicking to a button to display external HTML images, it now loads the 
images
[+] Added Certum Trusted Network CA root certificate to the list  of trusted 
root certificates
[+] The macro %VALIDFILECHARS also handles names with a dot as a last 
character, and it also handles device names like COM1 properly
[+] Added U.S. English interface language (previously, only U.K. spelling of 
English was allowed in The Bat! interface)
[+] Options for Automatic update IMAP folder subscription at startup
[+] When a user did type a Voyager Master Password by mistake using uppercase 
or lowercase characters, Voyager tries to user lowercase and uppercase versions 
of the password before giving an error that the password is incorrect.
[+] Voyager by default uses AES algorithm for OTFE-encryption. This gives huge 
advantage in speed on processors that support AES instructions (e.g. Intel 32nm 
processors)
[+] New enhanced Create Filter dialogue with possibility to quickly define 
more actions
[+] Added support for PGP 8, 9  10.
[+] An option to specify time format for the message list in the Preferences 
dialog. Now the time format by default fits time format used in previous 
version of The Bat!
[+] An option to not show message time after the date in the message list. The 
option can be configured in the Preferences dialog
[+] You can copy multiple filters to the clipboard by clicking Copy on a root 
node
[+] You can paste multiple filters from clipboard
[+] Plugin API: Photo and certificate can be accessed in address book contact
[+] Plugin API: Contacts and groups in address book can be deleted
[+] Plugin API: Address book can be created from scratch
[+] Plugin API: BeginUpdate/EndUpdate methods to perform major changes in 
address book (suspend repainting)
[+] Plugin API: Anti-spam preferences can be accessed
[+] Plugin API: Certificates can be added to Trusted Root CA
[-] SmartBat didn't show date lines using different style
[-] (#0007708) Signing/Encrypting with gpg2 shows pin-entry window and TheBat's 
passphrase window
[-] 0008526: Deleting folders in TB doesn't delete folders on HDD for empty and 
virtual folders
[*] Some incorrectly-encoded Date headers are now parsed better and it 
produces correct display of creation date in the message list.
[*] If a date line in the header is improperly encoded, then the current date 
is substituted, rather than that original date corrected
[-] Minor bug while counting messages for virtual folders
[-] (#0007737) 

Re: To and CC addressing panes not working

2012-06-18 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Leonard,

On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 06:13:43 -0400GMT (18-6-2012, 12:13 , where I
live), you wrote:

LB Starting this morning, for no apparent reason, I cannot put an address
LB into the To: and CC: pages -- neither via the View History button nor
LB via the Address Book button. The only way I can put an address into
LB these two panes is to type it manually.

Odd.
What TB version are you using?
Did you try to restart TB and to reboot your computer?

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Re: To and CC addressing panes not working

2012-06-18 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Leonard,

On Mon, 18 Jun 2012 07:08:03 -0400GMT (18-6-2012, 13:08 , where I
live), you wrote:

LB Version 5.0.20.1 on Windows 7 (Does this not appear in my signature?)

Not in your first message, probably because the list was in bcc in
stead of to.
What happens if you upgrade to 5.0.36?
http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/archive_versions/

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Re: The files in the CACHE folder

2012-05-25 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Ian,

On Fri, 25 May 2012 11:22:36 +1000GMT (25-5-2012, 3:22 , where I
live), you wrote:

IAW I looked but could not find an imgfile folder. The other thing I did 
IAW find was a file called SMTP.LOG that was around 500 MB. Now I cannot 
IAW remember turning on logging SMTP connections.

The default is that it's turned off. With a log file of 500 MB I'd
suggest you turn it off and delete the log file. Protocol logging is
account specific, so check all of your accounts.

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Re: The files in the CACHE folder

2012-05-24 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Ian,

On Thu, 24 May 2012 13:07:51 +1000GMT (24-5-2012, 5:07 , where I
live), you wrote:

IAW What's with these cache files?

You can delete them, TB is supposed to do that, but forgets to when
it's terminated via the task manager.

IAW It turned out I had over 38,000 files in my cache folder going right 
IAW back to 2008.

That's a lot, that's about 10,000 a year or 30 a day. Have you had a
period that TB was misbehaving extremely?

IAW What are these cache files and what is the point in keeping them?

Stuff that TB needs to save as a file before they're processed any
further. And there's no reason whatsoever that you should save them.
TB tends to get faster with an empty cache folder.


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Re: including online images

2012-03-19 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Rick,

On Sun, 18 Mar 2012 22:26:12 -0400GMT (19-3-2012, 3:26 , where I
live), you wrote:

   Is it possible for TB to include online images in a html message?

RG Roelof  - I have all the graphics turned on and am working in graphics
RG all  day long. I have yet to find either a way to link to web graphics
RG nor a way to forward something WITH web linked graphics successfully

I  was  afraid  of  that,  but  I  wondered whether it was something I
missed.

RG Is it time to start adding HTML issues to the bug tracker? :)

Whenever  you  find  a  html  bug  you  can add it to the bug tracker,
however this appears to be something for the wish list.

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including online images

2012-03-18 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo TBUDL,

  Is it possible for TB to include online images in a html message?

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Re: How to get rid of the X-Priority field

2012-03-12 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo tbudl, 

Op maandag 12 maart 2012, 1:33:19, schreef St - Musaic.Net:

 Bill McQuillan:
 Has anybody found a trick to get rid of this ugly field?

 Marek Mikus (Czech support of The Bat!):
 no

 Do I find such an answer a bit arrogant and so what'ish
 with regards to Bill's challenge?

It's  possible that you find it such, but Marek explained that it's an
internal field and therefore it cannot be overwritten.
I  don't  know  what  more you expect, but as moderator of this list I
strongly suggest that you keep from personal attacks.

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Re: Our-of-office messages

2012-03-03 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo TBUDL, 

Op vrijdag 2 maart 2012, 23:17:26, schreef Leonard Berkowitz:

 It must be there somewhere, but I cannot find a setting for
 out-of-office replies. And if there is such a feature is there a way
 of not sending the our-of-office reply to a discussion list?

AFAIK TB has no Out of Office Replies
However, it's not that difficult to create one with a filter.
And if you compare the sender's address against an address book group,
you can set the lists that don't need a message.
And  when you add the recipients of your out of office replies to that
address book group, they won't be getting multiple replies.
And when you get back you need to disable the filter.

But  this means that you've got to keep your computer (and TB) running
while  you're  away.  Is  that  what  you want? An out of office reply
should  be  handled  by the server, whether it's run by your ISP, your
boss or yourself.

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Re: Filter not working

2011-12-27 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Greg,

Op woensdag 28 december 2011, 1:37:13, schreef Greg Strong:

 I have a filter not working when using Folder  Re-filter . See
 below in quote box.

I altered the target folder and for me the filter functioned properly.
Though  at first it didn't because the test message was intercepted by
another  filter,  that  didn't  move  the  filter,  but  merely  added
something to the address book.
Therefore  you'd  better check your log to see whether your message(s)
is/are triggered by a filter that's listed above this one.


  I believe the last license purchase was for V4. Is
 this functionality just broke, or am I looking at having to purchase a
 new license? If my memory is correct, I thought the license for
 version 4 was good for V5.0,

Unless  you  get  a  pop-up  about an expired license or an evaluation
period, your registration is still valid.

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Re: disappearng content

2011-12-15 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Avram,

On Thu, 15 Dec 2011 15:10:58 -0600GMT (15-12-2011, 22:10 , where I
live), you wrote:

A Does anyone know why, when I open The Bat, the application will open,
A but with NO messages in the message list? 

My guess is that you're too impatient. Considering the age of your PC,
the  size  of your message base and presuming that you open TB as soon
as  your  system is starting, I think that your pc is still busy doing
its  startup stuff and that it doesn't have the processing power to do
everything at the same time.

What  might  help  is  making your folders smaller, that means more of
them,  but TB needs time to read the folder and a larger folderr takes
more time to open than a small folder.
Apart from that, when is the last time you compressed your database?

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Re: The Bat not restoring back up files

2011-12-14 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Paul,

On Wed, 14 Dec 2011 13:34:40 + (UTC)GMT (14-12-2011, 14:34 ,
where I live), you wrote:

PG The file F:\D drive\e-mail Backups\The Bat - 12 
PG Dec 2011.tbk is not a valid The Bat! maintenance archive.

With what version of TB did you create that backup?

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Re: Move TheBat! to an other HD

2011-11-09 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Melissa,

On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 14:05:37 -0800GMT (9-11-2011, 23:05 , where I
live), you wrote:

 I tried the Backup - Restore solution without success. Restore can
 not merge the restore if you had already fetched some mails from
 the mail server.

MR What if no accounts have been set up (or at least not yet connected to
MR a mail server) at the time one restores from a backup?

The  proper  way to restore a backup is placing the backup file on the
new  system,  install  TB  and on the first run you tell TB to restore
from backup. After the restore you close TB and restart it.
That way even the registry settings should be restored

 My solution was to copy the folder structure to the new system and
 then install TheBat into this folder structure.

MR Does this somehow preserve all the filter rules, folder views, address
MR book, etc.?

Yes, the only things that won't be preserved this way are the registry
settings like window size and placement.

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Re: Move TheBat! to an other HD

2011-11-09 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Melissa,

On Wed, 9 Nov 2011 15:33:00 -0800GMT (10-11-2011, 0:33 , where I
live), you wrote:

MR Obviously, the backup file doesn't contain my mail database (backup
MR file seems to be around 600 MB, and my mail database is nearly 2 GB).

It's compressed, like a zip file.

MR Do I just replace the new Mail folder with my saved old Mail
MR folder once I've restarted after the restore operation?

No,  you  do  either  a  restore or copy your saved mail directory, it
amounts to the same.

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Mod: Top posting (was: Help with removing old email addresses)

2011-08-26 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Mike,

On Thu, 25 Aug 2011 20:19:43 -0700GMT (26-8-2011, 5:19:43, where I
live), you wrote:

MG Rick,

MG At first I didn't see any tabs at all, but I went into the View
MG menu, found Display Folder Tabs, and was able to remove them exactly as you 
suggested.

MG Thanks very much!!!


MG Mike

 Where do I go to select the addresses?  They appear as choices when I'm 
 typing in the
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and

b) It encourages excessive quoting.

We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to
which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to,
and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're
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you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much
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Re: Fonts

2011-08-06 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Thomas,

On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 17:29:33 -0300GMT (5-8-2011, 22:29 , where I
live), you wrote:

TP  How  can  I  check  to  see if this bug has been addressed in version
TP  5.x.x?

Consider it fixed, at least with Vista and TB5.
I  don't  really  like the look of large fonts on my 1280x1024 layout,
but it was recognized by TB. The preferences window showed everything.
And  on  starting  TB  recognized  something had changed, so it didn't
start on my scondary monitor, but picked my primary monitor.

TP  I'm using the last version 4 on which, I gather, development
TP  has stopped.

Those  things  happen.  Actually there have been more uopdates to v4.2
than  I expected. There were some v4 bugfixes when the developers were
busy with v5 at the same time.
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Re: Fonts

2011-08-05 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Thomas,

On Thu, 4 Aug 2011 16:16:34 -0300GMT (4-8-2011, 21:16 , where I
live), you wrote:

TP I  have  a dual monitor system with the monitor in question running at
TP 1680x1050,  it's  native  mode.   I tried changing the resolution to
TP 1440x900,  but there was no change: the dialog box seems truncated and
TP I  cannot  figure out how to enlarge it. There's a screen shot of this
TP problem  here: http://people.stu.ca/~parkhill/thebattprofilelayout.jpg
TP .

Your screenshot uses a larger font than my preferences window does.
(See attachment)
However  you  make  changes  stick by pressing the OK button, the same
OK-button you use to make other preferences stick.
Changes  in  the actual view only show after closing and restarting TB
(for the generic profile that is)

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Re: Fonts

2011-08-05 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Thomas,

On Fri, 5 Aug 2011 09:59:53 -0300GMT (5-8-2011, 14:59 , where I
live), you wrote:

 Your screenshot uses a larger font than my preferences window does.
 (See attachment)
TP I'm not seeing an attachment.

Neither do I and that's odd, because the copy in my sent folder has an
attachment.
But I'll try it again.

 However  you  make  changes  stick by pressing the OK button, the same
 OK-button you use to make other preferences stick.

TP That  OK-button  is nowhere to be found on any of the dialog boxes. It
TP must have been there; it isn't now. It is, you can see, nowhere in the
TP screenshot which _looks_ cropped, but is accurate.

Do  you  mean  that  this is the full preferences window you get?

TP I'm  running  The  Bat!  4.2.36.4;  Windows  7.  I'm  not  sure that's
TP important, but I'm trying to include whatever's relevant.

You could try to install 4.2.44, maybe that that helps.
Did  you  do  a  lot of customizing of your interface? If not then you
could  close  TB and delete the tbuser.def in your mail directory (or
rename it to tbuser.def.old) and start TB again. That will disable all
interface changes that you created and maybe this problem is related.

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Re: Fonts

2011-08-04 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Jack,

On Thu, 4 Aug 2011 09:58:47 -0500GMT (4-8-2011, 16:58 , where I
live), you wrote:

JSL The font in C is the one in question and as I compose this
JSL email I see that it's also the font being used in this New
JSL Message.  I have been through Account Properties, Folder
JSL Properties and OptionsPreferences without success. 

What about
 Options - Preferences - Viewer/Editor - Profile Layout

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Re: TB Won't Wrap on Reply

2011-08-03 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Tim,

On Tue, 2 Aug 2011 22:20:53 -0600GMT (3-8-2011, 6:20 , where I live),
you wrote:

TH   For  some  reason  TB  won't  wrap text on Replies. Anyone else
TH   experience  this?  Most people don't know I sent them a message
TH   unless I change the Reply to the format below:

What  you  show  is  about  the  default  reply  template,  so I don't
understand what you'd rather have.

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Re: Test

2011-07-28 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Richard,

On Thu, 28 Jul 2011 11:13:56 -0400GMT (28-7-2011, 17:13 , where I
live), you wrote:

RN   This  is  just  a test of my posts . . . which aren't getting to the
RN beta group.

It's arriving just fine. And I checked your settings for the beta-list
and there's no reason whatsoever that it should block your messages.

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Re: voyager - account access password

2011-07-27 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo mark,

On Tue, 26 Jul 2011 15:49:30 -0400GMT (26-7-2011, 21:49 , where I
live), you wrote:

MD when using 'the bat', it's possible to set an account access
MD password by way of the account menu set access password  or ctrl-f12.

MD unless i missed something, it doesn't seem possible to set an
MD account access password in voyager (currently using 5.0.18.3).  

Can't be done with Voyager, nor with TB running OTFE.
I   guess   it   wsas   considered   redundant.  Why  should  you  set
passwords on the accounts when you set a password on the whole config.

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Re: IMAP Settings

2011-07-20 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Tim,

On Tue, 19 Jul 2011 22:01:02 -0600GMT (20-7-2011, 6:01 , where I
live), you wrote:

TH   Can  someone  please  send me the IMAP email settings for Gmail?

smtp.gmail.com
STARTTLS
port 587
Authentication: same user/passw as for mail retrieval

imap.gmail.com
TLS
port 993
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Re: email/k9mail test

2011-07-15 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Dave,

On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 13:24:50 -0400GMT (15-7-2011, 19:24 , where I
live), you wrote:

DG did this arrive on the droid via the droid email app, or via k-9?

Maybe,  just  maybe it would be better not to send test messages via a
mailing list. Rest assured that your message didn't arrive here via K9
nor a droid email app.
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Re: Mod: Top posting (was: sending messages to this mailing list)

2011-07-11 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo St,

On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 01:59:57 +0200GMT (11-7-2011, 1:59 , where I
live), you wrote:

SMN   Adrian, ponder on this:

Don't bother. He unsubbed.

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Re: sending messages to this mailing list

2011-07-10 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Gary,

On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 10:50:57 +1000GMT (10-7-2011, 2:50 , where I
live), you wrote:

GO  Thanks for the comedy -

You're welcome, though you're the one supplying the comedy.

AG It's not the mailing list. It's your ISP.
GO  reply: The error message I received was from the mailing list.

That's  right,  that's  the  typical response for this mailing list on
receipt of HTML mail.

RO I guess you were mistaken about the format you were using.

GO  reply: The mistake would be The Bat! telling me that the email was 
GO  plain text. I guess that makes The Bat! an incredible program, huh?!

I'm  not  sure why you thought that TB was sending plain text. How did
you configure that?
Have  you  still  got the message that you sent to the list? Could you
forward it to me off list as MIME attachment?

As  you  can see, about everybody on this list uses TB to send to this
list and those messages are processed as intended.

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Re: sending messages to this mailing list

2011-07-09 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Gary,

On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 06:58:53 +1000GMT (9-7-2011, 22:58 , where I
live), you wrote:

GO  This mailing list does not accept messages sent from The Bat!.

Oh yes it does.

GO  Error: The message's content type was not explicitly allowed

This list doesn't accept HTML mail

GO  This was after sending plain text email from The Bat!, but it won't
GO  make it through. Have to go to webmail to get something received.

I guess you were mistaken about the format you were using.

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Mod: Top posting (was: sending messages to this mailing list)

2011-07-09 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Adrian,

On Sun, 10 Jul 2011 00:11:40 +0200GMT (10-7-2011, 0:11, where I
live), you wrote:

AG Nothing wrong with plain text, but it wasn't easy to get it to be
AG the default which it should have been in the first place.

AG Adrian

AG Saturday, July 9, 2011, 10:58:53 PM, you wrote:

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Top posting, i.e., typing all your reply text at the top of your
message and following it with all quoted text below, is not
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because

a) It makes it difficult to glean context from what you typed at the
   top of the message

and

b) It encourages excessive quoting.

We would much prefer if you quote just that much of the message to
which you're replying, so we know what it is you're referring to,
and then below the quotation, type your response. If you're
responding to more than one part of the original, then quote each
part separately and follow each part with your response.

Now, I know that you may not personally prefer this format and that
you may disagree with some of the reasoning here. We very much
respect this. However, this is the format that most of the active
members here prefer and all members are expected, and are being
asked to use the format that will make most of the active membership
here comfortable reading. You'll likely get a more responsive group
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understand.

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Re: Undeleting a deleted message

2011-07-07 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Code,

On Mon, 4 Jul 2011 11:08:23 -0700GMT (4-7-2011, 20:08 , where I
live), you wrote:

C2 Is there a way to undelete that message?

Select the inbox
 Folder - Browse deleted messages
Select the message
 Press Delete to undelete it

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Re: TB 5.0 could be a Guinness world record holder

2011-06-27 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Jack,

On Mon, 27 Jun 2011 08:09:59 -0500GMT (27-6-2011, 15:09 , where I
live), you wrote:

JSL Well, I'm one of those fools that upgrades software JUST
JSL BECAUSE AN UPGRADE IS MADE AVAILABLE.

The  same  goes for me and TB, but in my case that means I've using v5
version after  v5 version since the early alphas.

JSL Usually this doesn't cause a problem but as I reported earlier,
JSL my screen display when showing folder properties in v5 is
JSL corrupted.

That  isn't  a  v5  problem,  I  haven't  run into it in any of the v5
verrsions I've been using.

snip

JSL So, I decided to revert to the most recent version I had kept,
JSL v4.2.44. I double-clicked the .msi file and went through the
JSL motions for installing TB! and was subsequently informed that it
JSL had installed. Imagine my surprise when I discovered that nothing
JSL had changed!

That's  typical  for the msi system, its mantra goes like: Thou shallt
not  downgrade. Sometimes itg'll tell you that wiull not do that, just
as often it doesn't say anything at all.
The  way to go is to uninstall v5 and next install v4. You won't loose
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Re: Unable to receive one message

2011-06-16 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Mica,

On Thu, 16 Jun 2011 11:52:58 +0200GMT (16-6-2011, 11:52 , where I
live), you wrote:

MM I have one message I can't download for who knows what reason. I left
MM it on dispatcher until I have some solution for this case. Message is
MM about 4.5 MB but I don't believe that that matters (I did download even
MM bigger ones). Any help is welcome. Thanks!

 The reason fo rthis behaviour is often that the message contains a
 virus and the anti-virus software steals the .tmp file before it can
 be imported to the database.

MM TB's message is 'Connection to host broken (last commands sent were:
MM NOOP, RETR 1)'.

That's what you'd expect when your AV software interrupts the download
process.

I'd  suggest that you check with the dispatcher whether it's a message
that  you expect (sender/subject) and unless the header tells you that
it's something you really need to download you'd better delete it from
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Re: Put message in Outbox

2011-05-25 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Ian,

On Wed, 25 May 2011 14:58:00 +1000GMT (25-5-2011, 6:58 , where I
live), you wrote:

IAW I put the first few ones in my Outbox using the Put message in 
IAW Outbox button.

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Re: How do I fix rcpthost issues?

2011-05-17 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo George,

On Tue, 17 May 2011 01:16:21 -0400GMT (17-5-2011, 7:16 , where I
live), you wrote:

G   !5/17/2011, 01:09:18: SEND  - Message has not been sent. Server
G reply - Sorry, that domain isn't in my list of allowed rcpthosts.

That's  a  server message, not something created by TB, so my guess is
that  you've  configured  TB  to  send  to a different server/port. So
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Re: 5.0.12 Filters

2011-05-11 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo BJH,

On Wed, 11 May 2011 11:10:45 +0100GMT (11-5-2011, 12:10 , where I
live), you wrote:

B Is it me or have filters stopped working in V5?

You're not the only one, though I haven't got that problem myself.

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Re: 5.0.12 Filters

2011-05-11 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo BJH,

On Wed, 11 May 2011 15:13:45 +0100GMT (11-5-2011, 16:13 , where I
live), you wrote:

 You're not the only one, though I haven't got that problem myself.
B Thanks Roelof that makes me feel a whole lot better! ;)

What  I  meant to say, was that there are problems with v5 and filters
mentioned  on  the  beta  list,  though  they're  not  experienced  by
everybody.
Did all of your filters stop working, did only some filters stop or do
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Re: text message

2011-05-03 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Gary,

On Tue, 3 May 2011 16:41:59 +1000GMT (3-5-2011, 8:41 , where I live),
you wrote:

GO When I try to send a message to this mailing list using The Bat! (4.2.42),
GO I always get an error: The message's content type was not explicitly
GO allowed

Probably  that  you're  sending  HTML mail, the solution is to send in
plain text. You can automate that for this list by creating an address
book template for the list address (both for new messages and replies)
that contains the macro:
%SetEditor='1'
This means you'll use plain text.

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Re: Forward formatting

2011-04-22 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Jack,

On Fri, 22 Apr 2011 08:27:15 -0500GMT (22-4-2011, 15:27 , where I
live), you wrote:

JSL Any ideas as to why this would be and what, if anything can
JSL be done about it?

I  guess  it  has something to do with you e-mail preferences. Without
altering  those the solution would be to forward the message as a mime
attachment, that's a simple checkmark in your filter action...

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Re: looking for correct settings winter/summer time in reply template

2011-03-30 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Henk,

On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 07:29:31 +0200GMT (30-3-2011, 7:29 , where I
live), you wrote:

HMD Is this correct referring the summer time we now have since the weekend?

Sure,  you  don't mention the local offset, so you don't have to alter
that for the daylight saving time.

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Mod: Reply for new thread (was: Customizing mail headers)

2011-03-30 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Terry,

On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 14:05:34 +0200GMT (30-3-2011, 14:05, where I
live), you wrote:

J is it possible to customize STANDARD email headers (e.g. from, mailer,
J etc) in The Bat! ?

moderator
Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have
instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Terry.

  '

Please don't use reply to start a new thread. Your question has been
posted at the bottom of an unrelated topic. The Bat! is a threading
mail client.

See View | View threads by | Reference to see where it ended up.

The result is that it will only be seen by those reading that thread
instead of by all users.

I recommend that you post your question again using a New message
if you want to see more replies to your query.

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Re: Customizing mail headers

2011-03-30 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Terry,

On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 14:05:34 +0200GMT (30-3-2011, 14:05 , where I
live), you wrote:

J is it possible to customize STANDARD email headers (e.g. from, mailer,
J etc) in The Bat! ?

Yes

J For example, if my email account supports multiple addresses, can I 
J specify any address of my choosing in the from header?

Yes

J And, can I fake the mailer header to show that I am using Outlook
J Express (while I am actually using The Bat!)?

That  one  is  restricted, you cannot alter the X-Mailer header. Apart
from  that, there are distinct differences between messages created by
Outlook,  Outlook  Express,  The  Bat!, Thunderbird, etc. Several spam
filters are programmed to look for fake X-Mailer headers and condsider
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Re: Customizing mail headers

2011-03-30 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Terry,

On Wed, 30 Mar 2011 16:35:30 +0200GMT (30-3-2011, 16:35 , where I
live), you wrote:

J OK, abandoning the idea of fake mailer headers then, can I at least omit
J or blank out the X-mailer header, so that The Bat! does not appear
J (nor does any indication of the mailer used)?

 Options - Preferences - General - Use X-Mailer header in messages

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Re: looking for correct settings winter/summer time in reply template

2011-03-29 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Henk,

On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 17:15:56 +0200GMT (29-3-2011, 17:15 , where I
live), you wrote:

HMD I have forgotten how to change where and what for a correct time in my
HMD reply. In my template i have:

HMD %WRAPPED='%SETPATTREGEXP=(?m-s)^Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:%-
HMD [\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))%-
HMD %REGEXPBLINDMATCH=%HEADERS%-
HMD On%SUBPATT=2, at %SUBPATT=3 [GMT%SUBPATT=4] %-
HMD (which was %OTIME where I live) %QINCLUDE(FULLNAME)%- wrote:'

That looks ok to me, what's the problem?

HMD And I must have missed things, what happened to the Dutch list TBNLUDL?

AFAIK nothing, not very busy, last message  I saw was in Februari.

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Re: Can I override handshake failure?

2011-03-22 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Reece,

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 14:09:03 +0800GMT (22-3-2011, 7:09 , where I
live), you wrote:

A Due to a temporary server name change I get the following error
A message:

A FETCH - TLS handshake failure. The server host name does not match the
A certificate.

A Can I override this to retrieve mail?

Try this.
In  your  account  settings,  change the server name back to something
that matches the certificate.
In your windows/system32/drivers/etc/  folder you'll find a file hosts
or hosts.sam
In that file you add the line:
ip-address hostname
With  hostname  the same as you've entered in the account settings and
ip-address the ip-address of your server.
And  in case you've only got a hosts.sam file, you need to rename that
to hosts (without any extension) Note the file is plain text.
And reset your pc.
If this doesn't I haven't got any ideas. 

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Re: Anti-virus? message

2011-03-22 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Jack,

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 07:42:13 -0500GMT (22-3-2011, 13:42 , where I
live), you wrote:

JSL I get this warning every time I attach something to an
JSL email.

Have you got an plug-in for virus scanner installed with TB?

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Re: Anti-virus? message

2011-03-22 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Jack,

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 08:56:16 -0500GMT (22-3-2011, 14:56 , where I
live), you wrote:

RO Have you got an plug-in for virus scanner installed with TB?

JSL Not that I'm aware of.  How would I find out?

 options - preferences - virus/trojan alert - anti virus

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Re: Anti-virus? message

2011-03-22 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Jack,

On Tue, 22 Mar 2011 11:26:28 -0500GMT (22-3-2011, 17:26 , where I
live), you wrote:

JSL Ok.  Well as you can see (http://imgsrc.com/?v=untitlquq.)
JSL there does appear to be some sort of anti-virus but I have
JSL no idea of how it got there.

I'd suggest that you select and delete it.

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Re: How to get a filter mark an email as read

2011-03-17 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Michael,

On Thu, 17 Mar 2011 19:37:27 -0400GMT (18-3-2011, 0:37 , where I
live), you wrote:

MJS In 4.2.42 I have filter that move the messages to a folder. I
MJS would like it to mark the mail as read, as I don't need to see it.

Add a second action to that filter and make that action 'mark as read'

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Re: TB! is asking for log on credentials?

2011-03-07 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Arnie,

On Mon, 7 Mar 2011 17:18:56 -0500GMT (7-3-2011, 23:18 , where I
live), you wrote:

AK I have full access to the machines in question and all the
AK registration keys.  Would re-installing TB! fix the problem?  Would
AK backing up the Mail folder, un-installing TB! and then replacing the
AK Mail folder work?

Don't  restore  a  back-up that you've made after the problem, because
the issue is in the maildirectory.

Copy your complete mail directory
Delete  all  account.*  files  in  the  mail  directory  (not  in  the
subdirectories)
start TB
Now  you'll  probably have some reconfiguring to do, but with a little
bit of luck the problem is gone.
In  case  you  need to define your accounts again, tell TB to create
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