Re: v9.2.2 does not delete mail on server as scheduled

2020-07-18 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Andrew,

On Thu, 16 Jul 2020 22:17:23 +0930 GMT (16-Jul-20, 19:47 +0700 GMT),
Andrew Savchenko wrote:

> Hello,

> After resurrecting TB!  by reverting back to v9.1.X I have noticed it
> has started re-downloading all e-mails again.  This is a well-known bug
> and affects number of people at random.  You can find more details at
> https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1779.

> After logging into the Webmail interface, I have found that TB!  wasn't
> deleting old e-mails despite the option "Keep messages on server" being
> set to 1 day.

Please add a note to the bug report you mention. Thanks.

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Re: Why is TB downloading all server mail and not just new messages?

2020-07-12 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Achdut18,

On Sun, 12 Jul 2020 14:16:45 -0500 GMT (13-Jul-20, 2:16 +0700 GMT),
Achdut18 wrote:

> I have TB set up to download mail via POP and leave mail on the
> server for 180 days.   (IMAP doesn't seem to play nicely with The
> Bat, and, in any event, for back-up purposes, I prefer to have my
> own copy of all e-mail so that it can then be backed up through my
> own back-up protocols.)The reason for leaving mail on the server
> is to enable another computer, which is used more as a backup and is
> not used as frequently, to be able to download mail from the same
> accounts.  It also ensures that the mail is available for the cell
> phone.  For nearly 15 years this has worked just fine.  Today, I am
> now experiencing a situation in which TB is now attempting to
> download all ~4000 messages currently on the server and not just the
> new messages, of which there are are only less than a dozen.

Known bug, it happens rarely vbut does happen:
https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1779

> (I have stopped the process before it downloads more than a few
> dozen, each time I try.) This just started happening today. Last
> night the download process was working properly.

Go to: Account / Dispatch Message on Server / All Messages
Wait for the mail dispatcher to show the list of headers, it can take
a few minutes. Then hit ctrl-2 to toggle the tickmark off the Received
column for all messages, and then hit enter.

Alternatively, you can let TB re-download all emails and then use
Folder / Delete Duplicates. But that will usully take longer.

> What is curious is that this only happens with one of three
> accounts that I have on the same server/webmail mail host.These
> are NOT gmail accounts.   However, as an aside, I do not have this
> problem with any of the gmail accounts that I also have.

It happens with random accounts.

> What is causing this problem and how can I fix it?  Sure, I can
> download all 4000 messages and remove the duplicates, but (a) that
> takes time and (b) if the problem recurs I really need to known how to solve 
> the problem

Sure. See above.

> I notice on the toolbar, under "Account," there is a command:
> "dispatch mail on server," and then there is a choice for either
> "new messages" (ctrl + F2) or "all messages."   (shift+ctrl+F2).
> Is it possible that this is the source of the problem and that I
> unwittingly pressed "shift+ctrl+F2" at some point?Would merely
> pressing (ctrl+F2) fix this problem?

Well spotted. but this is not the problem, it is the solution. See
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Re: Incorrect "reply" highlighting in MicroEd

2020-06-21 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Andrew,

On Sun, 21 Jun 2020 18:24:58 +0930 GMT (21-Jun-20, 15:54 +0700 GMT),
Andrew Savchenko wrote:

> Hello Thomas,

> Sunday, June 21, 2020, 12:43:06 PM, you wrote:

>> Mine is set to 10 characters (so your example above is not
>> highlighted), but you set it to any value that makes sense to you.

> Works. Shouldn't there be a more robust detection of the reply symbol?

> Currently TheBat seems to use: (.*>.*|^>.*)
> How about this instead: (^>\s.*|\w>.*)

> Latter would prevent detection of ">" somewhere mid-line.

I don't think so. Sometimes we want first and last name (i.e.
including a blank) before the quote indicator. Otherwise you can just
set the limit to zero and it won't be detected mid-line.

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Re: Account tree font

2020-06-20 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Jack,

On Sat, 20 Jun 2020 17:51:34 -0500 GMT (21-Jun-20, 5:51 +0700 GMT),
Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

> I've just noticed that the font in my account tree has been changed. No idea 
> how
> it might have happened but would like to change it back to what it was. 
> Anybody
> know how to do that?

Go to: Options / Preferences / Message List / Fonts.

Over here, it says Segoe UI, which is the orginal font set by Ritlabs.
Maybe this got changed unintentionally with an unknown keyboard shortcut.

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Re: Incorrect "reply" highlighting in MicroEd

2020-06-20 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Andrew,

On Sun, 21 Jun 2020 12:30:46 +0930 GMT (21-Jun-20, 10:00 +0700 GMT),
Andrew Savchenko wrote:

> This string of text is incorrectly highlighted as reply:

> ```
> X.X. Some text ">" that must not be highlighted as the reply...
> ```

> Before I create bug report, could someone please confirm?
> Screenshot attached.

Go to: Options / Preferences / Viewer/Editor Editor Preferences /
General / Quote Name Limit.

Mine is set to 10 characters (so your example above is not
highlighted), but you set it to any value that makes sense to you.

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Re: Are Roguemoticons still active?

2020-06-10 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Marck,

On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 09:54:11 +0100 GMT (10-Jun-20, 15:54 +0700 GMT),
Marck Pearlstone wrote:


> On 10 June 2020 at 04:37 Thomas Fernandez wrote and made these points

> ... 
>>> also not seen the Roguemoticon images displayed for a long time - one
>>> person said several years.

TF>> I understanding we are waiting for a volunteer to host and maintain
TF>> the Roguemoticon database. Until then, it won't work.

> Not quite. I offered years ago. Leif wasn't willing to pass the code /
> db  over to host at Silverstones and that's how it was left. Even with
> a  volunteer with a Apache/MySQL/PHP server we would still need to get
> the  site  code  and  db  dump  from  Leif, who may or may not be more
> willing now.

Oh, I see. Thanks for the clarification.

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Re: Are Roguemoticons still active?

2020-06-09 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello MFPA,

On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 03:56:27 +0100 GMT (10-Jun-20, 9:56 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:

> In April 2017 I posted that I no longer see the Roguemoticon images
> displayed in the message header; nobody posted to confirm or differ. I
> posted again in March 2019 and four people replied that they had
> also not seen the Roguemoticon images displayed for a long time - one
> person said several years.

I understanding we are waiting for a volunteer to host and maintain
the Roguemoticon database. Until then, it won't work.

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Re: Are Roguemoticons still active?

2020-06-08 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello MFPA,

On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 18:15:12 +0100 GMT (09-Jun-20, 0:15 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:

> That's right. The title now just says "Welcome to" without
> "Roguemoticons" on the end; most of the page is still the same.
> Probably better to look at one of the snapshots archived at Way Back
> Machine.
> https://web.archive.org/web/20160403233201/http://pcwize.com/thebat/

> A few of us on this list are still using an X-Rogue: header

>   Marck Pearlstone
>   Mark Partous
>   MAU
>   MFPA (me!)
>   Peter Meyns
>   Thomas Fernandez

> But I'm not convinced that it still does anything.

I haven't seen any Roguemoticons for a long while. I don't remember
when they stopped.

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Re: Forwarding Filter

2020-06-05 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Susanne,

On Fri, 5 Jun 2020 09:25:41 -0700 GMT (05-Jun-20, 23:25 +0700 GMT),
Susanne wrote:

> Hello,

> Thursday, June 4, 2020, 8:32:04 PM, Thomas wrote:

>> Yes. You will see something like this:

>>>05-Jun-20, 10:29:08: FILTR - received message from sisk...@gmail.com (9030 
>>>bytes) (processed by "TBUDL"), URL: 
>>>msgid:1346052294.20200604202...@gmail.com?folder=\\Gmane\Bat%20TBUDL

>> The part '(processed by "TBUDL")' is the name of the filter in this
>> case.

> Strangely, I only see messages I sent logged in the account log. And
> messages deleted by a filter. Is there something I have to change in
> the settings? Mine is an IMAP account, if that makes any difference.
> Also, the messages deleted by a filter do not show me the name of the
> filter!
> Example: 6/5/2020, 07:03:22: FILTR - Message from em...@email.com is 
> deleted
> No further information to be seen.

I use only POP accounts, so the logging may be different.

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Re: Forwarding Filter

2020-06-04 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Susanne,

On Thu, 4 Jun 2020 20:21:35 -0700 GMT (05-Jun-20, 10:21 +0700 GMT),
Susanne wrote:

> Hello,

> Thursday, June 4, 2020, 1:35:10 PM, MAU wrote:
>> Open  the  Account.log  by  clicking  on the Status bar at the bottom.
>> This  will  include  FETCH lines for each message downloaded and FILTR
>> lines  for  each  filter triggered. These should allow you to find out
>> which filter is actually forwarding messages.

> Thanks!
> I've just looked there, and I don't see where it specifies what filter
> triggered the response.

> It just says FILTR.
> Is there a way to find out more. I have quite a lot of filters! :)

> I have to wait for this particular filter to do the forwarding again,
> as I can only see today and yesterday in the account log.

Yes. You will see something like this:

>05-Jun-20, 10:29:08: FILTR - received message from sisk...@gmail.com (9030 
>bytes) (processed by "TBUDL"), URL: 
>msgid:1346052294.20200604202...@gmail.com?folder=\\Gmane\Bat%20TBUDL

The part '(processed by "TBUDL")' is the name of the filter in this
case.

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Re: POP - "Getting number of messages"

2020-05-29 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Bunker,

On Fri, 29 May 2020 12:55:12 +0530 GMT (29-May-20, 14:25 +0700 GMT),
bun...@eagle-mar.com wrote:

> Hi Thomas,

>>>How many messages is it trying to get? As I mentioned earlier, have
> you kept messages on server for the last 10 years, and TB has to
> download 1 million headers first to check whether the messages have
> already been downloaded?<<<

> ++

^ Something is wrong either with your reply template or the way
quoting is set up. The quote does not look like a quote.

> OK, I understand. Now there are only 1,900 messages in the server and
> still the connection centre is stuck getting number of messages.

That's not many, so this is not the problem.

> reason we keep the msgs on server is that in office, we download using
> POP and filtered into appropriate folders. then we got the email
> running in our mobile phones, then at home we got our laptops running
> on IMAP.

Yeah, I do the same, for the same reason.

> I could say that this issue propped up only about a month back.

> appreciate your advice.

Sorry, I have no further idea why download hangs sometimes.

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Re: POP - "Getting number of messages"

2020-05-28 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Eagle,

On Thu, 28 May 2020 18:29:36 +0530 GMT (28-May-20, 19:59 +0700 GMT),
Eagle Maritime (Pvt) Limited wrote:

> Thank you both for your replies, But nothing is working!
> EMails checked every minute for the past 6 years without any issue at
> all. I even cleared the INBOX/SENT BOX but the problem still persists.
> Even with 25,000 emails in the INBOX, it was working perfectly.
> Attached is a screen shot of the CONNECTION CENTRE window. Here you
> will see that the connection is stuck at GETTING NUMBER OF MESSAGES.

How many messages is it trying to get? As I mentioned earlier, have
you kept messages on server for the last 10 years, and TB has to
download 1 million headers first to check whether the messages have
already been downloaded?

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Re: POP - "Getting number of messages"

2020-05-26 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Bunker,

On Tue, 26 May 2020 12:55:50 +0530 GMT (26-May-20, 14:25 +0700 GMT),
bun...@eagle-mar.com wrote:

> I use POP to download messages, about 75 filters are used to place
> messages in appropriate folders as well.

> since of late, for about a month or so, it was observed that it takes
> a long time at ""Getting number of messages"

Do you leave all messages on the server? TB musst download all headers
first to see which emails haven't been downloaded yet. That's why I
leave no more than about 3000 - 4000 messages on the server, which at
one account is 14 days, at another 180 days.

Account / Properties / Mail Management / Keep messages on server for
... days

> and sometimes it just goes on unless I have to DELETE TASK or ABORT
> ALL.

It goes on? Do you mean the it keeps downloading mails or it is stuck
at Getting...?

> Sometimes, it checks immediately as usually done.

It may also be an instable connection with your server.

> I have set auto check of emails every one minute.

Why? If you already checked your emails now, do you think another
important message that came a minute later cannot wait to be
downaloded for a few more minutes? If so, email might not be right for
you, yoou might be looking for an instant messenger. I check very 10
minutes.

> Is there any suggestions/remedy for this?

Just some ideas.

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Re: Hotkeys for expanding/collapsing threads?

2020-05-22 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Melissa,

On Thu, 21 May 2020 14:00:34 -0800 GMT (22-May-20, 5:00 +0700 GMT),
Melissa Reese wrote:

> In any event, I'd at least appreciate being reminded of the hotkey
> combinations for expanding and collapsing individual threads. Any help here,
> and for finding the list of all other key combinations would be very much
> appreciated.

I expand threads by using <+>, collapsing by using <->.
I don't know how I know this, it's just muscle memory in my fingers.

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Re: Future of TB* mailing lists

2020-05-10 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Marck,

On Sun, 10 May 2020 09:52:20 +0100 GMT (10-May-20, 15:52 +0700 GMT),
Marck Pearlstone wrote:

AS>> Things that come to mind, in no particular order:

AS>> * Increase size limits for attachments.

> TBBETA has a 75kb limit and TBUDL 25kb.

> I suggest 150 for TBBETA and 100 for TBUDL. Thoughts?

Let's try this.

AS>> * Remove or, at very least, update "current version" footer.

> I  will  take  back  control  (where  have  I  heard  that before?) of
> maintenance for this number.

Thank you!

AS>> * Consider merging TDUDL/TBBETA into one.

> That's  a  very large "NO". There are 2 distinct audiences - those who
> test  new  features  and  those who want help with the current release
> version as end users.

I totally agree. Let's leave the lists separate.

AS>> * Collate available TheBat! documentation / FAQs / Tips.
AS>> * etc.

> That's  something  I did very enthusiastically back at the start. They
> have  not  been  maintained  and  over  the years have become somewhat
> dated.

It's a lot of work, and I believe Ritlabs can outsource it if tyhey
don't have the manpower. I do think it would help them increase sales,
so that will be money well spent for them. So, we can put it on the
wishlist.

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Re: Backup with Errors

2020-05-09 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello David,

On Sat, 9 May 2020 19:13:08 +0100 GMT (10-May-20, 1:13 +0700 GMT),
David Elliott wrote:

> Hi Thomas,

> On Sun, 3 May 2020, at 20:24:30 [which was on Sunday at 14:24 where I live] 
> you wrote:

>> [...]

>>> When I said previously "I don't have a .TBI of a .EBI file". I
>>> should have said "I don't have any .TBI of a .EBI file in any directory"

> [...]

>>>  Directory of E:\Users\Administrator\The Bat\Mail\Elliott\Inbox

>> [...]
>>> 03/05/2020  12:37 7,232,226 MESSAGES.TBN

>> This should be the file. Rather than deleting it, rename it (I would
>> rename into message.tbn_old, but that's only my system). This way, you
>> can still rename it back if I am wrong.

> Different error now.

> ---
> Maintenance Centre
> ---
> Stream read error "E:\Users\Administrator\The
> Bat\Mail\Elliott\Inbox\MESSAGES.TBB" Data error (cyclic redundancy check)
> ---
> OK
> ---

Before you started the Maintenance Center, did you recreate the index
file as per my suggestion? Could you access the messages?

Now you have an error in the message base. I don't know what the error
message means.

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Re: Reply all quoting selected text

2020-05-09 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Andrew,

On Sun, 10 May 2020 11:21:38 +0930 GMT (10-May-20, 8:51 +0700 GMT),
Andrew Savchenko wrote:

> Hello MAU,

> Sunday, May 10, 2020, 6:07:47 AM, you wrote:

>> Sorry,   no   attachment.   Can   you   upload   the   screenshot   to
>> http://www.canyonero.com/ and send the link? thanks a lot.

> Here we go: https://i.imgur.com/YoFRdGV.png

Your contect menu is different from mine. What viwer/editor do you
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Re: Reply all quoting selected text

2020-05-09 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Susanne,

On Sat, 9 May 2020 08:27:01 -0700 GMT (09-May-20, 22:27 +0700 GMT),
Susanne wrote:

> Saturday, May 9, 2020, 1:15:04 AM, MAU wrote:

>>> I am using "reply to all using selected text".

>> Excuse my ignorance and/or blindness. Where can I find that option?

> Highlight the part you want to quote, right click inside the
> message, click "message" then "reply to all quoting selected text".

I don't have any reply option in the context menu while in the
message, highlighted text or not. I  have "Reply" in the context menu
when right-clicking on the message in the message list.

I have "Reply" and "Reply to all" in the drop down menu under Message
in the Message Viewer.

I cannot find "Reply to all quoting selected text" anywwhwere.

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Re: Reply all quoting selected text

2020-05-03 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Susanne,

On Sun, 3 May 2020 16:06:42 -0700 GMT (04-May-20, 6:06 +0700 GMT),
Susanne wrote:

>> I have tried the same action here and it works. Perhaps try on another
>> message to be sure? Also, are you using v9.1.18?

>>> By the way, is there a short cut for "reply using selected text",
>>> since I can't currently create a button for that?

>> Right click on any toolbar --> Customize --> Shortcuts.

> I've tried on multiple messages.

> And in Shortcuts, "reply to all using selected text" is not a choice as far 
> as I can tell.

> I am running 9.1.18.

> Maybe I'm just unlucky! I vastly preferred the previous version
> (can't quite remember the number, latest v.8)
> to this one.

I'm with you here. I often select text and then hit F4 to reply to the
sender, but I cannot find a shortcut or mouse-click to use selected
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Re: Backup with Errors

2020-05-03 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello David,

On Sun, 3 May 2020 12:52:31 +0100 GMT (03-May-20, 18:52 +0700 GMT),
David Elliott wrote:

[...]

>> This is not the directory you want to look in. This is the accoount
>> directory, under that you have subdirectories named the same as the
>> folders in your account. If you have not created any new folders, you
>> will find only the standard folders Inbox, Send, Trash (maybe one or
>> two others, I forgot).

> I have created many folders.

>> So, if you have not created any folders, go to the directory Inbox.
>> Here you will find two files: messages.tbb and messages.tbi. It is the
>> latter that you want to delete while TheBat is closed. Reopen TheBat
>> and the index is recreated when you go to that folder in TheBat (may
>> take a couple of seconds if there are a lot of messages in there).

> When I said previously "I don't have a .TBI of a .EBI file". I
> should have said "I don't have any .TBI of a .EBI file in any directory"

> [ ... ]

> Example of a correct directory listing
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 8<
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> [DELTA-S2]
> 03/05/2020 12:50:07.06
> E:\Users\Administrator\The Bat\Mail\Elliott\Inbox
>>dir
>  Volume in drive E is Data
>  Volume Serial Number is FC64-460A

>  Directory of E:\Users\Administrator\The Bat\Mail\Elliott\Inbox

[...]
> 03/05/2020  12:37 7,232,226 MESSAGES.TBN

This should be the file. Rather than deleting it, rename it (I would
rename into message.tbn_old, but that's only my system). This way, you
can still rename it back if I am wrong.

By the way, I don't know what all these .csdsig files are. I don't
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Re: Backup with Errors

2020-05-02 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello David,

On Sat, 2 May 2020 12:07:49 +0100 GMT (02-May-20, 18:07 +0700 GMT),
David Elliott wrote:

>>> I am having problems with my backup.
>>> I was on the last of version 6 and I started getting these errors.
>>> As I am moving to a new computer I thought I would first upgrade to
>>> the latest version, then transfer it across.

>>> I have three folders in different accounts all giving these errors.
>>> Problem is that I don't have a .TBI of a .EBI file.

>>> Any idea what I can do so I can get a backup done?

>>> Screen shot of error

>> The screenshot did not come through. Can you upload it, or can you
>> tell us what it said?

> :(

> Text of the error.

> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 8<
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> An Error occurred whilst storing data of the folder
> \\Elliott\Inbox

> It is possible that the message base index file is damaged - try to delete
> the index file (.TBI/.EBI) and re-read the folder, then try to backup again
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 8<
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-

Noted, this tells me something.

>>> Directory listing

> included a snip of the directory listing
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=- 8<
> -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-
> 25/04/2020  20:00   267,680 ACCOUNT.~FLB
[...]

This is not the directory you want to look in. This is the accoount
directory, under that you have subdirectories named the same as the
folders in your account. If you have not created any new folders, you
will find only the standard folders Inbox, Send, Trash (maybe one or
two others, I forgot).

So, if you have not created any folders, go to the directory Inbox.
Here you will find two files: messages.tbb and messages.tbi. It is the
latter that you want to delete while TheBat is closed. Reopen TheBat
and the index is recreated when you go to that folder in TheBat (may
take a couple of seconds if there are a lot of messages in there).

If you have created folders within TheBat and the error occurs when
yoou try to open one of them, you will find a directory with the same
name under your account directory. Delete the messages.tbi file in the
appropriate subdirectory while TheBat is closed.

Note: messages.tbb is your message base. If you delete that, you have
deleted all your messages. messages.tbi is the index file. This is
tthe file taht seems ot be correupted. If TheBat does not find an
index file when the folder is opened, it will create one from scratch.
This file contains the flags, such as "flagged", "deleted", "parked"
and so on. Therefore, previously deleted messages will show up again,
unless you compacted the folder after you had deleted them.

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Re: Formatting

2020-05-02 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Jack,

On Sat, 2 May 2020 15:14:31 -0500 GMT (03-May-20, 3:14 +0700 GMT),
Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

DE Try Ctrl + shift + V

>>> I've run into the same problem as Tom and that does seem to work. May I ask
>>> where in TB you found that?

TF>> When you want to paste, right-click on where you want to paste to. In
TF>> the context menu, you have Paste (which uses the original font and
TF>> formating, same as ctril-V) and you have Paste as Plaintext
TF>> (shift-crtl-V).

> Doh! Yes, of course. I just never noticed the keyboard equivalent in the 
> context
> menu before. Tunnel vision.

> Anyway, thanks for the reply and the original tip.

You're most welcome, and I'm glad I could be of help.

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Re: Backup with Errors

2020-05-01 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello David,

On Fri, 1 May 2020 15:27:28 +0100 GMT (01-May-20, 21:27 +0700 GMT),
David Elliott wrote:

> Hello Hive Mind,

> I am having problems with my backup.
> I was on the last of version 6 and I started getting these errors.
> As I am moving to a new computer I thought I would first upgrade to
> the latest version, then transfer it across.

> I have three folders in different accounts all giving these errors.
> Problem is that I don't have a .TBI of a .EBI file.

> Any idea what I can do so I can get a backup done?

> Screen shot of error

The screenshot did not come through. Can you upload it, or can you
tell us what it said?

> Directory listing



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Re: Formatting

2020-05-01 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Jack,

On Fri, 1 May 2020 11:16:56 -0500 GMT (01-May-20, 23:16 +0700 GMT),
Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

DE>> Try Ctrl + shift + V

> I've run into the same problem as Tom and that does seem to work. May I ask
> where in TB you found that?

When you want to paste, right-click on where you want to paste to. In
the context menu, you have Paste (which uses the original font and
formating, same as ctril-V) and you have Paste as Plaintext
(shift-crtl-V).

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Re: Eek! Did I really lose--forever--all emails in my IMAP Inbox?

2020-04-22 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello MFPA,

On Thu, 23 Apr 2020 00:24:38 +0100 GMT (23-Apr-20, 6:24 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:

>> I could, but that's not how I work. I BCC all messages to myself.
>> Different folks, different strokes.

> Do you not feel the need to keep a local messagebase of the incoming
> messages to IMAP accounts?

My reply above is about outgoing messages.

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Re: Eek! Did I really lose--forever--all emails in my IMAP Inbox?

2020-04-21 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello MFPA,

On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 19:11:32 +0100 GMT (22-Apr-20, 1:11 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:

>> Besides, Exchange uses a proprietary protocol, and TheBat has no
>> native support for it (any more).

> Has support been removed recently? My "Create New Account" wizard in
> TB! v8.8.2.5 still has the option of "MAPI(Microsoft Exchange)", the
> other two options being "Auto" and "IMAP or POP".

From bug report https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1427 :

QUOTE

This is not a bug. We removed the DLLs for EWS intentionally. Please
refer to the release notes of The Bat! v8.0 at
https://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/revision-history/7026/

Quote: "The Bat! MSI installation package no longer include EWS DLL
files. As a result, The Bat! would not support Exchange Web Services
(EWS) protocol until you manually download a DLL and store it un the
same directory where thebat32.exe/thebat64.exe resides.

UNQUOTE

I see you are talking about MAPI, not EWS.

>> I'm back to POP only. However, there are some people on this list
>> who prefer IMAP.

> Couldn't you have "best of both" by using IMAP but having TB! copy all
> messages to a local archive folder? That way, you could have the local
> message store but still access all of your email from multiple devices
> using a proper mail client. Or am I missing something?

I could, but that's not how I work. I BCC all messages to myself.
Different folks, different strokes.

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Re: Eek! Did I really lose--forever--all emails in my IMAP Inbox?

2020-04-20 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Melissa,

On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 10:54:22 -0800 GMT (21-Apr-20, 1:54 +0700 GMT),
Melissa Reese wrote:

>>> I really don't know what happened, but all of a sudden, the main
>>> inbox of my one IMAP account (my main email account!) is EMPTY!

>> I don't know much about IMAP accounts, never used one but, wasn't
>> that the idea of IMAP, to keep all email at the server?

> That's what I thought.  I called my email server provider late last
> night, and they were able to provide at least a partial solution for
> the moment (restored email in that folder going back as far as 7
> March, 2020 -- though I've been using this IMAP installation since
> August, 2019).  I'm still waiting to hear about what happened to the
> rest.

> Next week, they'll be migrating me to what they say will be a better
> version of IMAP-like protocol -- "Exchange"?  I guess I'll see what
> happens moving forward.

Between IMAP, POP and Exchange, Exchange is the worst. My university
uses it, and I fought with it for a while, but was happy when I found
out that the Microsoft Exchange server now also supports IMAP and POP.
Besides, Exchange uses a proprietary protocol, and TheBat has no native
support for it (any more).

>> Is it an gmail account? Have you tried logging in from a browser and
>> see?

> Not gmail. Nor is it the account through which I'm sending this
> message. It's on my own domain. It's a service I've had through
> GoDaddy for many years now (POP3 until last August, when I decided to
> give IMAP a try).

Yes, I also tried IMAP with one account for a while, just to get a
feel for it. I'm back to POP only. However, there are some people on
this list who prefer IMAP.

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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-16 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Paul,

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 10:59:28 -0400 GMT (16-Apr-20, 21:59 +0700 GMT),
Paul Van Noord wrote:

> 4/16/2020  10:41 AM

> Hi Thomas,

> On 4/15/2020 Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF>> Hello Paul,

TF>> On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:17:14 -0400 GMT (15-Apr-20, 22:17 +0700 GMT),
TF>> Paul Van Noord wrote:

>>>>>> There will have been a reason for that, don't you think?

>>>>> Isn't the Beta usually taken down when Ritlabs issues a new Beta
>>>>> or release version?

TF>>>> That's correct. It has become useless, as any bugs found should not be
TF>>>> distributed any more. That's the whole idea of beta testing.

>>> There have been multiple occasions in the past where a given beta caused
>>> problems  for me requiring me to go to a previous version. This is why I
>>> keep  copies  of  all acceptable betas. "Latest and greatest" are not
>>> synonymous!

TF>> Yes, beta versions can have problems, that's why users of beta
TF>> versions are called beta testers, and they participate in the beta
TF>> forum (or mailing list, as it is in the case of TheBat) and report
TF>> back. There is never a reason for someone who is not a beta tester to
TF>> download any beta version.

TF>> Once the release version is out, there is no need to revert back to a
TF>> beta version.

TF>> Otherwise, there would be something fundamentally wrong with the beta
TF>> process. I'm not saying saying this never happens in the world, I am
TF>> just saying it would be highly unusual if you have to revert back from
TF>> a release version to a beta version to make have a better version.

> I  have  been  a  TB user for 32 years. I have been a beta tester for at
> least 12 years. Perhaps my TB experience exceeds your experience. I have
> clients  all  over  the  world.  I  fail to appreciate someone of lesser
> experience  telling me the "facts". A closed mind slams the door shut on
> ability to learn.

You are right here, I bow to your experience. I have only be a beta
tester for TB for 21 years. My MSc in Computing is already more than
10 years old, and my programming skills that started in 1978 are a bit
rusty by now, so they don't count. I feel privileged to have found a
master in you.

> My  methods  have  proven their value in the test of time and experience
> for  me  and  my  clients.  Since  I highly customize the TB ui for each
> client.  It  is  absurd  that a release of a MSI would be published with
> this  glaring  defect.  It  forced  me  back  to  a  beta  where Toolbar
> Customization worked as it did for many years!

Yes, as I said: It is the exception. The exception does not make it a
rule though. If I were you, I would not use beta versions with my
clients, but that's your decision. I would test the new releases
myself before upgrading, and if I cannot recommend them, would go back
to the previous release. Not any beta version; I would recommend them
only for beta testers, never for production and especially not for
clients.

But that's me, and people work differently. And here is a fact: I hope
the IT guy in my company does not install any beta versions on our
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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-16 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Andrew,

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 20:11:14 +0930 GMT (16-Apr-20, 17:41 +0700 GMT),
Andrew Savchenko wrote:

>> This is getting off-topic. Anyway, I am not a beta tester for Windows,
>> and the update is automatic. I am not following the Win10 version
>> numbers and never had a desire to go back to any beta version before
>> the release version that I am using. There is absolutely no reason to
>> go back to a beta version that is older than the release version you
>> are using, is there?

> I agree with the "off-topic" statement. Let's say we have our
> differences, which is fine, as both approaches have right for existence.

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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-16 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Andrew,

On Thu, 16 Apr 2020 19:23:49 +0930 GMT (16-Apr-20, 16:53 +0700 GMT),
Andrew Savchenko wrote:

> Hello Thomas,

> Thursday, April 16, 2020, 10:40:58 AM, you wrote:

>> There is never a reason for someone who is not a beta tester to
>> download any beta version.

>> Once the release version is out, there is no need to revert back to a
>> beta version.

> Those are rather broad statements.

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> Following the logic from above, how come you are not running the latest
> stable Windows? Build 18362 is neither most recent one nor LTSC.

This is getting off-topic. Anyway, I am not a beta tester for Windows,
and the update is automatic. I am not following the Win10 version
numbers and never had a desire to go back to any beta version before
the release version that I am using. There is absolutely no reason to
go back to a beta version that is older than the release version you
are using, is there?

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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-15 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Paul,

On Wed, 15 Apr 2020 11:17:14 -0400 GMT (15-Apr-20, 22:17 +0700 GMT),
Paul Van Noord wrote:

 There will have been a reason for that, don't you think?

>>> Isn't the Beta usually taken down when Ritlabs issues a new Beta
>>> or release version?

TF>> That's correct. It has become useless, as any bugs found should not be
TF>> distributed any more. That's the whole idea of beta testing.

> There have been multiple occasions in the past where a given beta caused
> problems  for me requiring me to go to a previous version. This is why I
> keep  copies  of  all acceptable betas. "Latest and greatest" are not
> synonymous!

Yes, beta versions can have problems, that's why users of beta
versions are called beta testers, and they participate in the beta
forum (or mailing list, as it is in the case of TheBat) and report
back. There is never a reason for someone who is not a beta tester to
download any beta version.

Once the release version is out, there is no need to revert back to a
beta version.

Otherwise, there would be something fundamentally wrong with the beta
process. I'm not saying saying this never happens in the world, I am
just saying it would be highly unusual if you have to revert back from
a release version to a beta version to make have a better version.

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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-14 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello MFPA,

On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 16:26:49 +0100 GMT (14-Apr-20, 22:26 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:

> On Tuesday 14 April 2020 at 12:43:19 PM, in
> , Thomas Fernandez wrote:-


>> There will have been a reason for that, don't you think?

> Isn't the Beta usually taken down when Ritlabs issues a new Beta
> or release version?

That's correct. It has become useless, as any bugs found should not be
distributed any more. That's the whole idea of beta testing.

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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-14 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Thomas,

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 23:08:09 +0700 GMT (13-Apr-20, 23:08 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF>>> Anyway, I have never used command line parameters. I just added that
TF>>> parameter in the shortcut (with and without blank after ...exe) but
TF>>> Windows complains. What should I do?

>> This one worked for me:

>> "C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat64.exe" /tls_disable_ecdhe

>> Hope it helps.

> Yes it did, and guess what: I just downloaded the mails from my Gmail
> account! Thanks.

> Note (FWIW): It works when using the gmail.com servers. On the other
> account, which I set to googlemail.com, TB asked me for the password.
> Of course, I hadn't changed it, but I changed the servers to gmail.com
> and it worked.

When sending, TB sends me a pop-up dialog each and every single time.
I have to click OK, but there is no way that I can say "accept this
cert for good".

Update: I just switched from "Internal Implementation" back to
"Microsoft CryptoAPI", and now the dialog does not appear any more.

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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-14 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Andrew,

On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 21:03:04 +0930 GMT (14-Apr-20, 18:33 +0700 GMT),
Andrew Savchenko wrote:

>> Good to hear. Don't download from unauthrotised sites.
[...]

> v8.8.9.12 files were removed from RT's website, that is the only reason I
> have provided those links.

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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-14 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Luca,

On Tue, 14 Apr 2020 12:20:31 +0200 GMT (14-Apr-20, 17:20 +0700 GMT),
Luca via TBUDL wrote:

> Andrew Savchenko:

>> Hello Paul,
>>
>> Friday, April 10, 2020, 7:43:01 AM, you wrote:
>>
>> >>> I'm comfy with the late v.8, I would appreciate very much if I could 
>> >>> downgrade
>> >>> and keep on with that while v.9 grows mature.
>>
>> S>> I wholeheartedly agree!
>> S>> The customization, where even available, doesn't stick. It reverts
>> S>> back to the default after each restart!
>>
>> > The behavior is the same here.
>>
>> Latest v8 beta available in public:
>> https://mega.nz/file/JktHDQDT#zki2R-F6loABaYNkKeVa_H5nPtPt4Wg9QaMEUDH9KSk
>> http://uploaded.net/file/gvpoinfr

> It won't work!

Good to hear. Don't download from unauthrotised sites.

> A new 8.x release should be issued to solve the problem. I cannot
> see any on the beta list.

Here are the release versions: 
https://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/archive-versions.php
The release version of v8 was issued after *all* the betas for v8. Why
you want to download a beta version with bugs that there fixed in the
release is beyond me.

If you are interested in contributing to beta testing though, it will
be better to subscribe to TBBETA and get the versions from Ritlabs
rather than from some unauthorised sites where you don't know what you
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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-13 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Thomas,

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 23:08:09 +0700 GMT (13-Apr-20, 23:08 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF>>> Anyway, I have never used command line parameters. I just added that
TF>>> parameter in the shortcut (with and without blank after ...exe) but
TF>>> Windows complains. What should I do?

>> This one worked for me:

>> "C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat64.exe" /tls_disable_ecdhe

>> Hope it helps.

> Yes it did, and guess what: I just downloaded the mails from my Gmail
> account! Thanks.

> Note (FWIW): It works when using the gmail.com servers. On the other
> account, which I set to googlemail.com, TB asked me for the password.
> Of course, I hadn't changed it, but I changed the servers to gmail.com
> and it worked.

When sending, TB sends me a pop-up dialog each and every single time.
I have to click OK, but there is no way that I can say "accept this
cert for good".

Update: I just switched from "Internal Implementation" back to
"Microsoft CryptoAPI", and now the dialog does not appear any more.

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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-13 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello David,

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 09:57:44 -0600 GMT (13-Apr-20, 22:57 +0700 GMT),
David Shepherd wrote:

> Monday, April 13, 2020, 9:39:36 AM, you wrote:

TF>> Anyway, I have never used command line parameters. I just added that
TF>> parameter in the shortcut (with and without blank after ...exe) but
TF>> Windows complains. What should I do?

> This one worked for me:

> "C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat64.exe" /tls_disable_ecdhe

> Hope it helps.

Yes it did, and guess what: I just downloaded the mails from my Gmail
account! Thanks.

Note (FWIW): It works when using the gmail.com servers. On the other
account, which I set to googlemail.com, TB asked me for the password.
Of course, I hadn't changed it, but I changed the servers to gmail.com
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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-13 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello MFPA,

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 14:41:35 +0100 GMT (13-Apr-20, 20:41 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:

> On Sunday 12 April 2020 at 3:39:44 AM, in
> , Thomas Fernandez wrote:-

>> Interesting, because my error message mentions avast:

>>>[...]
>>>12-Apr-20, 09:31:04: FETCH - Issuer: generated by
>>>avast! antivirus for SSL/TLS scanning, avast! Web/Mail
>>>Shield, avast! Web/Mail Shield Root.

> Avast inserts itself as a proxy or "man in the middle" to be able to
> scan the traffic on SSL/TLS/HTTPS connections. That's why the
> certificate says "generated by avast! antivirus for SSL/TLS scanning".
> That certificate is only used to encrypt the connection from Avast to
> The Bat!. A quick web search on "antivirus tls scanning" suggests that
> AVG and Kapersky do it this way as well

So it is not an avast problem but a TB problem. I think we already
established that.

> Do you get the same if, under Options | S/MIME and TLS..., you tell
> The Bat! to use Microsoft CryptoAPI (Windows Certificate Store)
> instead of Internal Implementation (The Bat! Address Book)?

Yes. I did that some time ago, I forgot the reason. I have now
switched it back to Internal Implementation, but to no avail. Even
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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-13 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello MFPA,

On Mon, 13 Apr 2020 15:48:02 +0100 GMT (13-Apr-20, 21:48 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:

> On Monday 13 April 2020 at 2:41:35 PM, in
> , MFPA wrote:-

> Never mind what else I wrote. I have a gmail account I rarely use. I
> checked incoming mail and got the "certificate cannot be used for this
> purpose" error message.

I had this error in the beginning. Now it is "TLS protocol error:
Internal error BuildClientKeyExchange."

> The solution that has worked for me for the last ten minutes is to use
> the command line parameter /tls_disable_ecdhe as suggested at
> https://support.google.com/mail/thread/38537691?hl=en#recommended-answers.
> I'll just have to remember to remove the command line parameter when I
> migrate to a TB! version 9.1910 or higher.

In that thread, Max says that the problem is solved in 9.1.10. That is
not the case.

Anyway, I have never used command line parameters. I just added that
parameter in the shortcut (with and without blank after ...exe) but
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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems (Gmail)

2020-04-12 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Assad,

On Sun, 12 Apr 2020 13:25:24 +0400 GMT (12-Apr-20, 16:25 +0700 GMT),
Assad Baroot wrote:

>>> Maxim wrote this in the list of changes in version 9.1.10:
>>>
>>> [-] The Bat! did require "Key Encipherment" or "Key Agreement" in
>>> "Key Usage" certificate attribute for TLS even if the certificate
>>> was only used to sign ephemeral keys to provide perfect forward
>>> secrecy. If a server only supports perfect forward secrecy TLS
>>> cipher suites, the certificate used by this server may have no
>>> "Key Encipherment" or "Key Agreement" in the "Key Usage"
>>> attribute.

M>> I  wish  I could understand what all that means, sounds "like Chinese"
M>> to me.

>  I don't understand either but since this version, I no longer get
>  the   TLS  error.  I  suppose  Maxim  wanted  to say he fixed the
>  certificate problem.

Not working in this version. Since it is not avast (MAU and Avrim
confirmed that they don't use it), I have opened open a bug report:
https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1989

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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-11 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello MAU,

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 18:00:34 +0200 GMT (11-Apr-20, 23:00 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

> Hello Thomas,

>> I still believe it is caused by avast, though.

> I experienced the intermittent certificate problems a few day ago, and
> I have never ever used Avast.

Interesting, because my error message mentions avast:

>12-Apr-20, 09:31:04: FETCH - Certificate S/N: 
>55ABDA4795C64E4EA2615599FC93D1DC, algorithm: 1.2.840.10045.2.1 (256 bits), 
>issued from 24-Mar-20 06:48:03 to 16-Jun-20 06:48:03, for 1 host(s): 
>pop.gmail.com.
>12-Apr-20, 09:31:04: FETCH - Owner: US, California, Mountain View, Google LLC, 
>pop.gmail.com.
>12-Apr-20, 09:31:04: FETCH - Issuer: generated by avast! antivirus for SSL/TLS 
>scanning, avast! Web/Mail Shield, avast! Web/Mail Shield Root.
!12-Apr-20, 09:31:04: FETCH - TLS protocol error: Internal error 
BuildClientKeyExchange.

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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-11 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Andrew,

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 20:55:12 +0930 GMT (11-Apr-20, 18:25 +0700 GMT),
Andrew Savchenko wrote:

> Hello Thomas,

> Saturday, April 11, 2020, 8:35:35 PM, you wrote:

>> There are newer betas... ;-)

> of v8? Please share.

Why would you want a beta version of v8? What would be better in that
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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-11 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Andrew,

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 14:12:38 +0930 GMT (11-Apr-20, 11:42 +0700 GMT),
Andrew Savchenko wrote:

> Hello Thomas,

> Saturday, April 11, 2020, 1:58:28 PM, you wrote:

>> Why would you want to download an old beta version?

> Because newer "release" version is not production ready. Check all the
> complains about UI in v9 branch posted to this list in the past weeks.

There are newer betas... ;-)

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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-10 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Andrew,

On Sat, 11 Apr 2020 13:43:13 +0930 GMT (11-Apr-20, 11:13 +0700 GMT),
Andrew Savchenko wrote:

> Saturday, April 11, 2020, 1:19:35 PM, you wrote:

>> May I suggest to not download beta versions from any unauthorised
>> sites. If you want to use beta versions, please become a member of the
>> TBBETA discussion group and downlaod the official betas from the
>> Ritlabs website only.

> While "do not download unknown binaries" is generally a good advice,
> these files were removed from RitLabs website.

Right, old betas will be removed when bugs have been found (this is
what beta testing does) and they are replaced by the next beta, or if
Ritlabs is satisfied enough to change them into a release version.

Why would you want to download an old beta version?

That said, I think you would be a good and valuable addition to the
community of TheBat beta testers.

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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-10 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Andrew,

On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 11:56:59 +0930 GMT (10-Apr-20, 9:26 +0700 GMT),
Andrew Savchenko wrote:

> Hello Paul,

> Friday, April 10, 2020, 7:43:01 AM, you wrote:

 I'm comfy with the late v.8, I would appreciate very much if I could 
 downgrade
 and keep on with that while v.9 grows mature.

S>>> I wholeheartedly agree!
S>>> The customization, where even available, doesn't stick. It reverts
S>>> back to the default after each restart!

>> The behavior is the same here.

> Latest v8 beta available in public:
> https://mega.nz/file/JktHDQDT#zki2R-F6loABaYNkKeVa_H5nPtPt4Wg9QaMEUDH9KSk
> http://uploaded.net/file/gvpoinfr

May I suggest to not download beta versions from any unauthorised
sites. If you want to use beta versions, please become a member of the
TBBETA discussion group and downlaod the official betas from the
Ritlabs website only.

To subsdcribe, send an email to tbbeta-j...@thebat.dutaint.com

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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-10 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Thomas,

On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 11:10:02 +0700 GMT (10-Apr-20, 11:10 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> Hello Thomas,

> On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 10:59:30 +0700 GMT (10-Apr-20, 10:59 +0700 GMT),
> Thomas Fernandez wrote:

>> Hello Maxim,

>> On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 16:17:04 +0300 GMT (09-Apr-20, 20:17 +0700 GMT),
>> Maxim Masiutin via TBUDL wrote:

>>> Thursday, April 9, 2020, 4:11:08 PM, you wrote:

>>>> Yes I did, and restarted the computer.
>>>> Program version 20.2.2401 (build 20.2.5130.567)

>>>> However, I just switched the servers back to googlemail.com and now
>>>> there is no problem. I'll watch it, as it was also intermittent in the
>>>> past, and will report if the problem occurs again.

>>> Can you switch the server to pop.gmail.com?

>>> I've just found that somebody else is also experiencing this issue:
>>> https://www.computerbase.de/forum/threads/gmail-mailabruf-mit-the-bat-und-avast.1936644/

>> That didn't help for exporting the cert from avast, but this did:
>> https://support.postbox-inc.com/hc/en-us/articles/204602300-Invalid-Security-Certificate-Error-when-using-AVAST
>> Scroll down to "Alternative Solution".

>> I successfully exported the cert (in *.der format) and stored it on my
>> HD.

>> When trying to import the cert into TB (Addressbook - View - Windows
>> Certificates - Trusted Root), the browse option was set to defaults
>> *.cer, *.crt. There are some other options in the drop-down menu but
>> not *.der.

>> So I imported the cert anyway (using the All option), but still get
>> the same error. I believe TB cannot read the cert format.

> Update: Avast allows the export of the cert as *.crt (I didn't see
> that before), and now I imported it successfully at the above path.
> However, even after restart of TB, still the same problem.

FWIW, I have two gmail accouints, one uses the servers gmail.com and
the other googlemail.com. The problem is not intermittent any more,
but it is now reliably producable on both computers:

>11-Apr-20, 10:49:02: FETCH - Issuer: generated by avast! antivirus for SSL/TLS 
>scanning, avast! Web/Mail Shield, avast! Web/Mail Shield Root.
!11-Apr-20, 10:49:03: FETCH - TLS protocol error: Internal error 
BuildClientKeyExchange.

I still believe it is caused by avast, though.

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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-09 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Thomas,

On Fri, 10 Apr 2020 10:59:30 +0700 GMT (10-Apr-20, 10:59 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> Hello Maxim,

> On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 16:17:04 +0300 GMT (09-Apr-20, 20:17 +0700 GMT),
> Maxim Masiutin via TBUDL wrote:

>> Thursday, April 9, 2020, 4:11:08 PM, you wrote:

>>> Yes I did, and restarted the computer.
>>> Program version 20.2.2401 (build 20.2.5130.567)

>>> However, I just switched the servers back to googlemail.com and now
>>> there is no problem. I'll watch it, as it was also intermittent in the
>>> past, and will report if the problem occurs again.

>> Can you switch the server to pop.gmail.com?

>> I've just found that somebody else is also experiencing this issue:
>> https://www.computerbase.de/forum/threads/gmail-mailabruf-mit-the-bat-und-avast.1936644/

> That didn't help for exporting the cert from avast, but this did:
> https://support.postbox-inc.com/hc/en-us/articles/204602300-Invalid-Security-Certificate-Error-when-using-AVAST
> Scroll down to "Alternative Solution".

> I successfully exported the cert (in *.der format) and stored it on my
> HD.

> When trying to import the cert into TB (Addressbook - View - Windows
> Certificates - Trusted Root), the browse option was set to defaults
> *.cer, *.crt. There are some other options in the drop-down menu but
> not *.der.

> So I imported the cert anyway (using the All option), but still get
> the same error. I believe TB cannot read the cert format.

Update: Avast allows the export of the cert as *.crt (I didn't see
that before), and now I imported it successfully at the above path.
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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-09 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Maxim,

On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 16:17:04 +0300 GMT (09-Apr-20, 20:17 +0700 GMT),
Maxim Masiutin via TBUDL wrote:

> Thursday, April 9, 2020, 4:11:08 PM, you wrote:

>> Yes I did, and restarted the computer.
>> Program version 20.2.2401 (build 20.2.5130.567)

>> However, I just switched the servers back to googlemail.com and now
>> there is no problem. I'll watch it, as it was also intermittent in the
>> past, and will report if the problem occurs again.

> Can you switch the server to pop.gmail.com?

> I've just found that somebody else is also experiencing this issue:
> https://www.computerbase.de/forum/threads/gmail-mailabruf-mit-the-bat-und-avast.1936644/

That didn't help for exporting the cert from avast, but this did:
https://support.postbox-inc.com/hc/en-us/articles/204602300-Invalid-Security-Certificate-Error-when-using-AVAST
Scroll down to "Alternative Solution".

I successfully exported the cert (in *.der format) and stored it on my
HD.

When trying to import the cert into TB (Addressbook - View - Windows
Certificates - Trusted Root), the browse option was set to defaults
*.cer, *.crt. There are some other options in the drop-down menu but
not *.der.

So I imported the cert anyway (using the All option), but still get
the same error. I believe TB cannot read the cert format.

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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-09 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Thomas,

On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 20:11:08 +0700 GMT (09-Apr-20, 20:11 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> Hello Maxim,

> On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 15:49:58 +0300 GMT (09-Apr-20, 19:49 +0700 GMT),
> Maxim Masiutin via TBUDL wrote:

>> Hello Thomas,

>> Thursday, April 9, 2020, 2:44:31 PM, you wrote:

>>>>09-Apr-20, 18:37:07: FETCH - Issuer: generated by avast! antivirus for 
>>>>SSL/TLS scanning, avast! Web/Mail Shield, avast! Web/Mail Shield Root.
>>> !09-Apr-20, 18:37:08: FETCH - TLS protocol error: Internal error 
>>> BuildClientKeyExchange.

>> Are you sure that you have indeed updated Avast? What version of
>> Avast are you using? We've got information from one persion that
>> after he updated Avast today, the BuildClientKeyExchange error vanished.

> Yes I did, and restarted the computer.
> Program version 20.2.2401 (build 20.2.5130.567)

> However, I just switched the servers back to googlemail.com and now
> there is no problem. I'll watch it, as it was also intermittent in the
> past, and will report if the problem occurs again.

And here we go:

>09-Apr-20, 20:13:45: FETCH - Certificate S/N: 
>55ABDA4795C64E4EA2615599FC93D1DC, algorithm: 1.2.840.10045.2.1 (256 bits), 
>issued from 24-Mar-20 06:48:03 to 16-Jun-20 06:48:03, for 1 host(s): 
>pop.gmail.com.
>09-Apr-20, 20:13:45: FETCH - Owner: US, California, Mountain View, Google LLC, 
>pop.gmail.com.
>09-Apr-20, 20:13:45: FETCH - Issuer: generated by avast! antivirus for SSL/TLS 
>scanning, avast! Web/Mail Shield, avast! Web/Mail Shield Root.
!09-Apr-20, 20:13:45: FETCH - TLS protocol error: Internal error 
BuildClientKeyExchange.

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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-09 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Maxim,

On Thu, 9 Apr 2020 15:49:58 +0300 GMT (09-Apr-20, 19:49 +0700 GMT),
Maxim Masiutin via TBUDL wrote:

> Hello Thomas,

> Thursday, April 9, 2020, 2:44:31 PM, you wrote:

>>>09-Apr-20, 18:37:07: FETCH - Issuer: generated by avast! antivirus for 
>>>SSL/TLS scanning, avast! Web/Mail Shield, avast! Web/Mail Shield Root.
>> !09-Apr-20, 18:37:08: FETCH - TLS protocol error: Internal error 
>> BuildClientKeyExchange.

> Are you sure that you have indeed updated Avast? What version of
> Avast are you using? We've got information from one persion that
> after he updated Avast today, the BuildClientKeyExchange error vanished.

Yes I did, and restarted the computer.
Program version 20.2.2401 (build 20.2.5130.567)

However, I just switched the servers back to googlemail.com and now
there is no problem. I'll watch it, as it was also intermittent in the
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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-09 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Luca,

On Thu, 09 Apr 2020 13:13:36 +0200 GMT (09-Apr-20, 18:13 +0700 GMT),
Luca via TBUDL wrote:

>> >> >   starting today, I have intermittent problems sending emails in one 
>> >> > account (so far).
>> >> >   Error message in the log is TLS handshake failure. Invalid server
>> >> > certificate (The certificate cannot be used for this purpose).
>> >> >
>> >> >   Is there a fix for that?
>> >> >
>> >> >   Found this online:
>> >> > https://support.google.com/mail/thread/38537691?hl=en
>> >>
>> >> Did you try this solution (from the website you linked):
>> >>
>> >> change the smtp.gmail.com into
>> >> smtp.googlemail.com
>>
>> > It doesn't work. Same problem here with IMAP.
>>
>> if you fill
>> in the smtp server deetails in the Receiving Mail section, you won't
>> be able to receive any mails in any case.

> I am well aware of that. smtp.googlemail.com doesn't work here as SMTP server.

>> This is what happened over here: Suddenly I couldn't receive mails
>> from gmail any more on my laptop, changed to googlemail. It worked.

> Doesn't work either here.

Funny thing this: I updated TheBat to the latest version, and avast
antivirus. Now my Gmail account works reliably using the gmail.com
servers. If I use googlemail.com, I see an error message in TheBat's
protocol which appears to come from avast (if I read it correctly):

 09-Apr-20, 18:37:07: FETCH - receiving mail messages
 09-Apr-20, 18:37:07: FETCH - Connecting to POP3 server pop.googlemail.com on 
port 995
 09-Apr-20, 18:37:07: FETCH - Initiating TLS handshake
>09-Apr-20, 18:37:07: FETCH - Certificate S/N: 
>50D0051BC4485D4E8AA50D42F12A832B, algorithm: 1.2.840.10045.2.1 (256 bits), 
>issued from 24-Mar-20 06:48:05 to 16-Jun-20 06:48:05, for 1 host(s): 
>pop.googlemail.com.
>09-Apr-20, 18:37:07: FETCH - Owner: US, California, Mountain View, Google LLC, 
>pop.googlemail.com.
>09-Apr-20, 18:37:07: FETCH - Issuer: generated by avast! antivirus for SSL/TLS 
>scanning, avast! Web/Mail Shield, avast! Web/Mail Shield Root.
!09-Apr-20, 18:37:08: FETCH - TLS protocol error: Internal error 
BuildClientKeyExchange.

>> So, as others have said, the problem is intermittent and certainly a
>> problem in Google's side, not TB.

> I do think it's The Bat, because I have the same account with the same
> configuration on my Android smartphone, using K-9 as a client, and there are
> no problem with it.

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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-08 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Luca,

On Wed, 08 Apr 2020 12:07:30 +0200 GMT (08-Apr-20, 17:07 +0700 GMT),
Luca via TBUDL wrote:

> Thomas Fernandez:

>> Hello Susanne,
>>
>> On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 14:04:34 -0700 GMT (08-Apr-20, 4:04 +0700 GMT),
>> Susanne wrote:
>>
>> >   starting today, I have intermittent problems sending emails in one 
>> > account (so far).
>> >   Error message in the log is TLS handshake failure. Invalid server
>> > certificate (The certificate cannot be used for this purpose).
>> >
>> >   Is there a fix for that?
>> >
>> >   Found this online:
>> > https://support.google.com/mail/thread/38537691?hl=en
>>
>> Did you try this solution (from the website you linked):
>>
>> change the smtp.gmail.com into
>> smtp.googlemail.com

> It doesn't work. Same problem here with IMAP.

IMAP is an alternative to POP, i.e. for fetching mails. SMTP is for
sending mails, regardless whether you use POP or IMAP. So, if you fill
in the smtp server deetails in the Receiving Mail section, you won't
be able to receive any mails in any case.

This is what happened over here: Suddenly I couldn't receive mails
from gmail any more on my laptop, changed to googlemail. It worked.

I could still receive mails on my PC, using gmail. Then suddenly, I
could not. I was too lazy to change it, and now I can receive them
again.

On my laptop, I suddenly could not receive mails from googlemail any
more. Being busy, I didn't do anything, and now I can receive them
again.

So, as others have said, the problem is intermittent and certainly a
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Re: TLS Handshake and Certificate problems

2020-04-07 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Susanne,

On Tue, 7 Apr 2020 14:04:34 -0700 GMT (08-Apr-20, 4:04 +0700 GMT),
Susanne wrote:

>   starting today, I have intermittent problems sending emails in one account 
> (so far).
>   Error message in the log is TLS handshake failure. Invalid server
> certificate (The certificate cannot be used for this purpose).
>
>   Is there a fix for that?
>
>   Found this online:
> https://support.google.com/mail/thread/38537691?hl=en

Did you try this solution (from the website you linked):

QUOTE

This works for me:

change the smtp.gmail.com into
smtp.googlemail.com
and change the pop.gmail.com into
pop.googlemail.com

Send mail:
smtp.googlemail.com
Secure to dedicated port (TLS)
Port: 465

receive mail:
pop.googlemail.com
Secure to dedicated port (TLS): Yes
Port: 995

 The Bat! Professional Edition v8.8.9

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Re: Moving to a new pc

2020-02-29 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Tom,

On Sun, 1 Mar 2020 14:54:05 +1100 GMT (01-Mar-20, 10:54 +0700 GMT),
Tom wrote:

> The only minor difference I noticed is that the editor seems to be
> a bit different and trying to amend
> this to my preferences with respect to font or html I am getting an error 
> message of :

> some of the extensions/protocolls could not be associated. It is
> possible that you do not have access rights to
> do that or some software prevents you from that. It was not possible to 
> associate with:

> .eml (message files in RFC -822 format)
> . MSG
> .VCF
> Mailto:

> any suggestions?

This is not the editor, these are the file associaitons in Windows. In
TB! it's under Options / Preferences / Associations; I have tickmarks
at all of them.

Your TB! cannot set the associations, as you do not have admin rights.
Log in as admin into your Windows system, and then run TheBat. Or try
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Re: Moving to a new pc

2020-02-20 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Richard,

On Thu, 20 Feb 2020 19:45:38 -0500 GMT (21-Feb-20, 07:45 +0700 GMT),
Richard Newman via TBUDL wrote:

[...]

T>> Do you think one or the other method is safer?
>I think transferring via the TBK backup is safer and cleaner
> . . . when it works (it usually does). Running the Maintenance
> Center first should help insure this. If it doesn't work, it is
> probably because of corruptions in your files that weren't fixed by
> running Maintenance. Then Peter's method of copying the data
> directory over will work, quite probably bringing the file corruptions over.
>Remember, you still have the original data files and,
> probably/hopefully, a normal system backup of the same as insurance.

FWIW, I have used the internal back-up/restore methid several times
when moving to a new computer without any problems.

I don't run the full Maintenance but only "Delete Duplicates" and
"Compact" in order to not copy all the deleted files. I also "Empty"
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Re: Password recovery

2019-11-28 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Stuart,

On Wed, 27 Nov 2019 21:25:17 -0600 GMT (28-Nov-19, 10:25 +0700 GMT),
Stuart Cuddy wrote:

> Hello Thomas,
> Wednesday, November 27, 2019, 8:28:14 PM, you wrote:

>> However, the correct password is stored in TB!, as I can still check
>> and send emails. How can I find the password for that account?

> Enable logging. Account/Properties/Transport/Protocol logging

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Re: Password recovery

2019-11-27 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Alexander,

On Thu, 28 Nov 2019 09:19:32 +0200 GMT (28-Nov-19, 14:19 +0700 GMT),
Alexander Petrari via TBUDL wrote:

> Hello,

TF>> However, the correct password is stored in TB!, as I can still check
TF>> and send emails. How can I find the password for that account?

SC>>> Enable logging. Account/Properties/Transport/Protocol logging


> Most likely the password in the SMTP.log will be encoded. While it's still
> possible to decode it, there is an easier solution - a utility to read the
> password from the Account.CFN file. Drop me a message if you need it.

Thanks for your kind offer.

Please send it to me by PM.


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Re: Connection Center in IMAP

2019-11-27 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Thomas,

On Fri, 25 Oct 2019 13:25:13 +0700 GMT (25-Oct-19, 13:25 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> Hello Stuart,

> On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 06:28:03 -0500 GMT (23-Oct-19, 18:28 +0700 GMT),
> Stuart Cuddy wrote:

>> Hello Thomas,
>> Tuesday, October 22, 2019, 11:35:20 PM, you wrote:

>>>> For the IMAP account, it is open all the time. I manually hide it, and
>>>> then it opens again. That does make sense, because it keep the
>>>> connection open, but I don't want to see it all the time. Only when
>>>> something else than IDLE happens.

>>>> How do I achieve that?

>>> Any advice?

>> I don't think it is possible. Or at least I have never found a way.

> Bummer. I'll put it into the wishlist.

Here it is:
https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1887

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Password recovery

2019-11-27 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Tbudl,

I forgot one passwort and cannot log in on the web interface of that
account (GMX has no password recovery any more except by phone).

However, the correct password is stored in TB!, as I can still check
and send emails. How can I find the password for that account?

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Re: Connection Center in IMAP

2019-10-25 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Stuart,

On Wed, 23 Oct 2019 06:28:03 -0500 GMT (23-Oct-19, 18:28 +0700 GMT),
Stuart Cuddy wrote:

> Hello Thomas,
> Tuesday, October 22, 2019, 11:35:20 PM, you wrote:

>>> For the IMAP account, it is open all the time. I manually hide it, and
>>> then it opens again. That does make sense, because it keep the
>>> connection open, but I don't want to see it all the time. Only when
>>> something else than IDLE happens.

>>> How do I achieve that?

>> Any advice?

> I don't think it is possible. Or at least I have never found a way.

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Re: Connection Center in IMAP

2019-10-22 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello TBUDL,

On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 08:30:13 +0700 GMT (27-Sep-19, 8:30 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> Hi TBUDL,

> I have installed my first IMAP account. So far so good.

> Under Workspace / Connection Center, the CC is set to show
> Automatically, which for POP means that it shows when checking and
> then disappears (hides) again.

> For the IMAP account, it is open all the time. I manually hide it, and
> then it opens again. That does make sense, because it keep the
> connection open, but I don't want to see it all the time. Only when
> something else than IDLE happens.

> How do I achieve that?

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Connection Center in IMAP

2019-09-26 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hi TBUDL,

I have installed my first IMAP account. So far so good.

Under Workspace / Connection Center, the CC is set to show
Automatically, which for POP means that it shows when checking and
then disappears (hides) again.

For the IMAP account, it is open all the time. I manually hide it, and
then it opens again. That does make sense, because it keep the
connection open, but I don't want to see it all the time. Only when
something else than IDLE happens.

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Re: Deleted messages

2019-09-18 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Gunivortus,

On Wed, 18 Sep 2019 08:09:36 +0200 GMT (18-Sep-19, 13:09 +0700 GMT),
Gunivortus Goos wrote:

> where is the option to restore just by hand deleted messages from the Trash
> folder?

Highlight the folder from which they were deleted.
In menu on the top, go to Folder / Browse Deleted Messages.
Highlight those messages you want to Undelete and hit the DEL key.

Alternatively, mark the messages in the Trash folder and move or copy
them to the folder where you want them to be.

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Re: CTRL+Z

2019-09-11 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello MAU,

On Wed, 11 Sep 2019 11:25:21 +0200 GMT (11-Sep-19, 16:25 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

> Hello Thomas,

>> They are also copied to trash, so you can find them there.

> Well,  yes  and no. Or not always. I just remembered that you can have
> different  deletion  options in each Folder Properties if for Deletion
> you  select  "Use  folder-specific deletion settings" . In my case, in
> the  folder I checked, for Normal deletion I have "Mark as deleted, do
> not use the Trash folder". TB has s many options! ;-)

Right. I was referring to the standard setting, not knowing how
familiar the OP is with the many optopns.

> Anyway,   I   have   checked   a   folder  that  does  not  have  "Use
> folder-specific  deletion  settings" ticked. If I delete a message, it
> is  certainly  copied  to  the  Trash  folder.  But wait, if I "Browse
> deleted  messages"  I can see the message with the strike-though line,
> and  if  I  do  'Undelete'  it, the line is removed, the message is no
> longer  'marked for deletion', it is shown normally in the folder, BUT
> it is NOT removed from the Trash folder.

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Re: CTRL+Z

2019-09-10 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello MAU,

On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 17:58:03 +0200 GMT (10-Sep-19, 22:58 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

> Hello Andrew,

>> CTRL-Z is a mnemonic for "Undo". I was expecting that it would undo
>> the deletion and move message back to where it was.

> And it works as such when you are in the Editor window.

> When  you  delete  a  message,  at least with POP accounts (don't know
> about  IMAP)  it  is actually just "marked for deletion" and it is not
> moved to Trash. When you delete messages in a folder, you can actually
> see  them  if   you  select "Folder/Browse deleted messages" from the
> main  menu. Then, deleted messages (marked for deletion) are displayed
> with  a  "strike  through"  line.  You can then select any of them and
> click 'Undelete' from the right click context menu.

They are also copied to trash, so you can find them there. I thought
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Re: CTRL+Z

2019-09-10 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Andrew,

On Tue, 10 Sep 2019 20:14:01 +0930 GMT (10-Sep-19, 17:44 +0700 GMT),
Andrew Savchenko wrote:

> Hi,

> Is that something weird on my end or TheBat! does not support CTRL+Z
> for deleted messages?.. Deleted as moved into "Trash", not wiped.

I use the DEL key for that. Only one key instead of a key-combo.

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Re: Sig cutoff

2019-09-04 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Paul,

On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 21:26:51 -0400 GMT (05-Sep-19, 08:26 +0700 GMT),
Paul Van Noord wrote:

> 9/4/2019  9:24 PM

> Hi Thomas,

> On 9/4/2019 Thomas Fernandez wrote:


>>> What causes GMX to perceive that they authority to edit ANY message???

TF>> First I need someone else using GMX as well to confirm, and then we
TF>> can ask them exactly this question.

> Could be interesting... Staying tuned in...

TF>> --

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Re: Sig cutoff

2019-09-04 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Paul,

On Wed, 4 Sep 2019 09:15:02 -0400 GMT (04-Sep-19, 20:15 +0700 GMT),
Paul Van Noord wrote:

> 9/4/2019  9:13 AM

> Hi Tbudl,

> On 9/3/2019 tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com wrote:

jlttcu>> Hello Thomas Fernandez,

jlttcu>> On Tuesday, September 3, 2019, 2:21:55 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

>>> ...and now it's gone. Weird.

>>> Can someboy lese using GMX please test this, so that we can see
>>> whether they cut trailing blanks in order to "improve" customer
>>> experience?

jlttcu>> I don't use GMX, but looking through other messages on the list,
jlttcu>> messages from Chris Wilson and Feli Wilke also appear to come via GMX
jlttcu>> (using a different domain name in Chris' case) and are also missing
jlttcu>> the space, so it does look like it could be a GMX issue.

jlttcu>> Thomas, if you DM me a reply, I can check to see whether the space is
jlttcu>> missing from that, which will rule out the list software doing
jlttcu>> something to messages via GMX.

> What causes GMX to perceive that they authority to edit ANY message???

First I need someone else using GMX as well to confirm, and then we
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Re: Sig cutoff

2019-09-03 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello jb,

On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 15:18:26 +0100 GMT (03-Sep-19, 21:18 +0700 GMT),
jb_lists...@trink.co.uk wrote:

> Hello Thomas Fernandez,

> On Tuesday, September 3, 2019, 2:21:55 PM, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

>> ...and now it's gone. Weird.

>> Can someboy lese using GMX please test this, so that we can see
>> whether they cut trailing blanks in order to "improve" customer
>> experience?

> I don't use GMX, but looking through other messages on the list,
> messages from Chris Wilson and Feli Wilke also appear to come via GMX
> (using a different domain name in Chris' case) and are also missing
> the space, so it does look like it could be a GMX issue.

> Thomas, if you DM me a reply, I can check to see whether the space is
> missing from that, which will rule out the list software doing
> something to messages via GMX.

Sending reply to both the list and your direct email.

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Re: Sig cutoff

2019-09-03 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Thomas,

On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 20:09:05 +0700 GMT (03-Sep-19, 20:09 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> Hello jb,

> On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 09:26:45 +0100 GMT (03-Sep-19, 15:26 +0700 GMT),
> jb_lists...@trink.co.uk wrote:

>> Hello Thomas Fernandez,

>> On Monday, September 2, 2019, 2:28:46 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

>>> Funny thing, this: The cut-off works when I reply to your message, but
>>> not when I reply to my own. I double-checked, and yes, there is one
>>> black after the two dashes in my template...

>>> Please try to reply to your own message and see whether it works fine.

>>> --

>> It appears from my message thread in TB (v8.8) that Thomas' cut mark
>> is missing the space (I've copied it into a text editor to
>> double-check) and Jack's is correct.

>> Jack's messages are therefore quoting correctly, and Thomas' aren't.

> The blank is definitely in the template, please see attached. I also
> checked when creating this reply.

> --

...and now it's gone. Weird.

Can someboy lese using GMX please test this, so that we can see
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Re: Sig cutoff

2019-09-03 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello jb,

On Tue, 3 Sep 2019 09:26:45 +0100 GMT (03-Sep-19, 15:26 +0700 GMT),
jb_lists...@trink.co.uk wrote:

> Hello Thomas Fernandez,

> On Monday, September 2, 2019, 2:28:46 AM, Thomas Fernandez wrote:

>> Funny thing, this: The cut-off works when I reply to your message, but
>> not when I reply to my own. I double-checked, and yes, there is one
>> black after the two dashes in my template...

>> Please try to reply to your own message and see whether it works fine.

>> --

> It appears from my message thread in TB (v8.8) that Thomas' cut mark
> is missing the space (I've copied it into a text editor to
> double-check) and Jack's is correct.

> Jack's messages are therefore quoting correctly, and Thomas' aren't.

The blank is definitely in the template, please see attached. I also
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Re: Sig cutoff

2019-09-01 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Jack,

On Sun, 1 Sep 2019 17:40:09 -0500 GMT (02-Sep-19, 5:40 +0700 GMT),
Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

TF>> --

TF>> Cheers,
TF>> Thomas.

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> I may not be explaining myself adequately. For instance, in replying to this
> email from you, I can still see your sig cutoff and everything below it. I
> thought your sig cutoff and everything below it should not be there when I 
> click
> REPLY and the editor window opens.

Funny thing, this: The cut-off works when I reply to your message, but
not when I reply to my own. I double-checked, and yes, there is one
black after the two dashes in my template...

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Re: Log entry definition

2019-08-31 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Jack,

On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 16:57:26 -0500 GMT (01-Sep-19, 4:57 +0700 GMT),
Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

> Hello Thomas,

> On Friday, August 30, 2019 you wrote:

TF>> Hello MFPA,

TF>> On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 02:24:29 +0100 GMT (31-Aug-19, 8:24 +0700 GMT),
TF>> MFPA wrote:

 I also notice %THEBATVERSION macro fails to return
 the "(64-bit)"
 suffix. I just reported this at
 https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1809.


>>> It seems this was already addressed. There is now
>>> %THEBATVERSION(WITHBITS) and several other variants. See Max's reply
>>> to https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1809.

TF>> It works! Wow.

TF>> --

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> Interestingly (and unfortunately), some do and some don't. I have a .png here:

> https://www.dropbox.com/s/534amc5masob0kk/TBsig.png?dl=0

> which shows how the bottom of my sig is configured. It can be compared to the
> sig in this reply. I thought it was working when I replied to MFPA on the 29th
> but apparently not now. The template in use (and confirmed) is in the folder
> properties of my TBDL folder.

> I hope it's acceptable to include a Dropbox link to a picture 'cause if it
> isn't, I've long since forgotten how else to do it or even if it can be done.

> TIA

[sig was automitically cut; reinserting:]

> The Bat! E-Mail Client by Ritlabs version 6.0.12

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Re: Sig cutoff

2019-08-31 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Jack,

On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 18:09:48 -0500 GMT (01-Sep-19, 6:09 +0700 GMT),
Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

> I just noticed that the sig cutoff "-- " doesn't seem to work when I reply, or
> maybe I am not understanding what it's for.

It workes here reliably and also did so in v6.x. You may have
"touched" that line with the curser and added or substracted a blank.

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Re: Log entry definition

2019-08-30 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello MFPA,

On Sat, 31 Aug 2019 02:24:29 +0100 GMT (31-Aug-19, 8:24 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:

>> I also notice %THEBATVERSION macro fails to return
>> the "(64-bit)"
>> suffix. I just reported this at
>> https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1809.


> It seems this was already addressed. There is now
> %THEBATVERSION(WITHBITS) and several other variants. See Max's reply
> to https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1809.

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Re: MyGate NNTP gateway for TheBat not working any more

2019-08-05 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Peter,

On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 05:50:48 +0200 GMT (06-Aug-19, 10:50 +0700 GMT),
Peter Meyns wrote:

> Hi,

> on  Tue, 6 Aug 2019 08:32:07 +0700GMT (06.08.2019, 03:32 +0200GMT here),
> Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF>> ...

TF>> Are you running avast! anti-virus?

> Yes, I did. The disclaimer in my mail reminded me that I wanted to get
> rid of it, since Windows Defender does a good job by now. So now I
> uninstalled it. And yes, I had to exclude MyGate from being checked
> and blocked by Avast before.

I am happy with avast!. As mentioned in my other posting, MyGate works
again now. I don't want to exclude TB! from avast!, because I get a
lot of attachments in my company email, and it is just more efficient
getting the alert than having to check each attachment manually.

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Re: MyGate NNTP gateway for TheBat not working any more

2019-08-05 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Thomas,

On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 08:56:15 +0700 GMT (06-Aug-19, 08:56 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> Hello Thomas,

> On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 08:32:07 +0700 GMT (06-Aug-19, 8:32 +0700 GMT),
> Thomas Fernandez wrote:

>> Hello Peter,

>> On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 17:58:00 +0200 GMT (05-Aug-19, 22:58 +0700 GMT),
>> Peter Meyns wrote:

>>> Hi Thomas,

>>> on  Mon, 5 Aug 2019 18:28:04 +0700GMT (05.08.2019, 13:28 +0200GMT here),
>>> you wrote:

TF>>>> I've been reading newgroups with TheBat using MyGate for years. Since
TF>>>> yesterday or the day before, it doesn't work any more. MyGate won't
TF>>>> start, and that's on two machines under Win10.

TF>>>> Is it me, or was there a Windows update which "improved" its
TF>>>> behaviour?

>>> MyGate has been and still is running fine here under Win10 with the
>>> most recent updates.

>> I see. Now I have to find out what I changed on both machines on the
>> same day...

> During my morning coffee I notice that MyGate works again on my home
> PC. Yesterday re-booting didn't help. Go figure.

> I'll try my laptop as soon as I am in the office.

Also works on my laptop now. Weird...

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Re: MyGate NNTP gateway for TheBat not working any more

2019-08-05 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Thomas,

On Tue, 6 Aug 2019 08:32:07 +0700 GMT (06-Aug-19, 8:32 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> Hello Peter,

> On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 17:58:00 +0200 GMT (05-Aug-19, 22:58 +0700 GMT),
> Peter Meyns wrote:

>> Hi Thomas,

>> on  Mon, 5 Aug 2019 18:28:04 +0700GMT (05.08.2019, 13:28 +0200GMT here),
>> you wrote:

TF>>> I've been reading newgroups with TheBat using MyGate for years. Since
TF>>> yesterday or the day before, it doesn't work any more. MyGate won't
TF>>> start, and that's on two machines under Win10.

TF>>> Is it me, or was there a Windows update which "improved" its
TF>>> behaviour?

>> MyGate has been and still is running fine here under Win10 with the
>> most recent updates.

> I see. Now I have to find out what I changed on both machines on the
> same day...

During my morning coffee I notice that MyGate works again on my home
PC. Yesterday re-booting didn't help. Go figure.

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Re: MyGate NNTP gateway for TheBat not working any more

2019-08-05 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Peter,

On Mon, 5 Aug 2019 17:58:00 +0200 GMT (05-Aug-19, 22:58 +0700 GMT),
Peter Meyns wrote:

> Hi Thomas,

> on  Mon, 5 Aug 2019 18:28:04 +0700GMT (05.08.2019, 13:28 +0200GMT here),
> you wrote:

TF>> I've been reading newgroups with TheBat using MyGate for years. Since
TF>> yesterday or the day before, it doesn't work any more. MyGate won't
TF>> start, and that's on two machines under Win10.

TF>> Is it me, or was there a Windows update which "improved" its
TF>> behaviour?

> MyGate has been and still is running fine here under Win10 with the
> most recent updates.

I see. Now I have to find out what I changed on both machines on the
same day...

Are you running avast! anti-virus?

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MyGate NNTP gateway for TheBat not working any more

2019-08-05 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hi Tbudl,

I've been reading newgroups with TheBat using MyGate for years. Since
yesterday or the day before, it doesn't work any more. MyGate won't
start, and that's on two machines under Win10.

Is it me, or was there a Windows update which "improved" its
behaviour?

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Re: Fwd: Access violation message

2019-07-12 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Achdut18,

My first idea would be to scan the disk for bad sectors.

On Fri, 12 Jul 2019 18:24:55 -0500 GMT (13-Jul-19, 05:54 +0700 GMT),
Achdut18 wrote:

> Upon rebooting, the problem did not disappear.  However, the access
> violation number is different.   The sent mail folder shows that
> there are messages there, but the screen is blank when I click on that folder.

> Any ideas on how to fix this?



> This is a forwarded message
> From: Achdut18 
> To: tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com
> Date: Friday, July 12, 2019, 5:00:54 PM
> Subject: Access violation message

> ===8<==Original message text===
> Last night I attempted to access the "send" folder of one of my
> primary e-mail account.It only holds 3,145 messages.  The in-box
> for this account has 22,481 messages, and  another folder within
> this account has 5,700 messages.   However, I received an error messages as 
> follows:

> Access violation at address 007D551A in module
> 'thebat64.exe'. Read of address 08001E09EE38

> [...]

> ===8<==Original message text===






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Re: TB! installation problem

2019-06-26 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Alain,

On Wed, 26 Jun 2019 16:06:43 +0200 GMT (26-Jun-19, 21:06 +0700 GMT),
Alain de Gevigney wrote:

> Hello Thomas you wrote :
>> Hello Tbudl,
>>
>> My friend already downloaded TB! (latest version from Ritlabs website)
>> on the new computer and asked me to come and move the data from her
>> old computer. [.../...]
>> I checked the registry, but the only references to Ritlabs or TheBat I
>> would find was about software developer name or such, nothing about
>> password.

> Did you look at  : Computer\HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT ?

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TB! installation problem

2019-06-26 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Tbudl,

My friend already downloaded TB! (latest version from Ritlabs website)
on the new computer and asked me to come and move the data from her
old computer. I've done that a couple of time when I bought a new
computer myself.

So, I backed up TB! on her old computer and then started TB! on the
new computer, waiting for "from backup". Alas, TB! did not open.

Instead, I saw a small TB! window asking the "The Bat Master
Password". She swears she never set up a password when she installed
TB!, and she gave me her password for the email server, which is the
only password she knows. It didn't work.

I uninstalled TB!, re-downloaded and installed again, but the same
windows comes up. How do I completely uninstall TB! so that it does
not ask for a Master Password again?

I checked the registry, but the only references to Ritlabs or TheBat I
would find was about software developer name or such, nothing about
password.

Any help is appreciated, as she needs her computer for work tomorrow
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Re: Account suddenly password protected

2019-06-06 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello MAU,

On Thu, 6 Jun 2019 09:35:16 +0200 GMT (06-Jun-19, 14:35 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:

> Hello Thomas,

>> Can anybody help?

> On top menu select: Account/Set access password (or Ctrl+F12)

Thanks I didn't look there. Will tell him to try.

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Account suddenly password protected

2019-06-05 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Tbudl,

My friend (using TB!v7.4.16, 64bit) came to me with a problem: One of
his accounts is suddenly password protected. The password he has to
use to open the folder list in TB! is his password for GMX.

So, he must have keyed it in somewhere, added a password to that
account by mistake. Now he asked me how to change that back, so that
he can access the account without having to key in the password every
time.

I checked around in Account / Properties but couldn't find anything.

I tried to create a new account and just copy the messages.tbb files,
but that didn't work; apparently, these files are encrypted (which
makes sense, otherwise the password protection would be useless).

So, this is not a case of lost password: He knows the password. The
question is how to change the password, or rather how to change the
account not to be password protected any more.

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Re: Calendaring program

2019-06-04 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Avram,

On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 02:14:24 -0500 GMT (04-Jun-19, 14:14 +0700 GMT),
Avram Sacks wrote:

> Does The Bat have a calendaring program?

> I am using ver 7.1.18, and I am fairly certain it is not in this
> version?  Is there one in a later version?

There is no calendar funciton in TB!.

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Re: Splitting message base by date to store old messages?

2019-04-27 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Chris,

On Sat, 27 Apr 2019 15:20:04 +0100 GMT (27-Apr-19, 20:50 +0700 GMT),
Chris Wilson wrote:

> I am happily running a legacy version of TB! but my message base is
> now huge. I was wondering if it is possible to somehow split the
> message base based on date so I keep say the last two year's messages
> in TB!' directory structure, and store older stuff elsewhere, perhaps
> on tape or DVD? Thanks

What I do is I "archive" old messages to other folders. For example, I
name a subfolder "2016" and then move all messages from that year into
that subfolder. This keep each folder with a manageable size. (Make
sure you compact the folders in which the messages were stored
previously.)

If you want to store those messages somewhere else, you create a dummy
account called "Archive". Under Account / Properties / Files &
Directories, you to an external drive or a drive in the cloud (nobody
uses tape or DVD any more). This way, you don't need to keep them on
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Re: Toolbar icon sizes

2019-03-23 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Susanne,

On Sat, 23 Mar 2019 09:45:25 -0700 GMT (23-Mar-19, 23:45 +0700 GMT),
Susanne wrote:

>   is there a way to make the toolbar icons smaller, but not super tiny?
>   So far, I've only found the option to use "menu icons", which makes them 
> really, really small.

No, there are only these two sizes.

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Re: Upgrade?

2019-03-22 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Susanne,

On Fri, 22 Mar 2019 14:28:06 -0700 GMT (23-Mar-19, 04:28 +0700 GMT),
Susanne wrote:

> is there a way to upgrade TB from within the program and have it
> use the license key automatically?

Go to Help / Check for upgrade, and it will direct you to the download
side.

You have to download the file manually, close TB!, and then
double-click on the downloaded file.

Your mails, your settings, and your licence will stay in place.

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Re: Alternate Threading Options?

2019-03-20 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Steven,

On Wed, 20 Mar 2019 14:22:13 -0400 GMT (21-Mar-19, 1:22 +0700 GMT),
Steven P Vallière wrote:

> Oops.  I found that I somehow got the threaded view
> setting turned off.

For "somehow", you might want to check the main menu:

View / Display Threads By

> However, I would still like to strip the annoying
> " " from incoming subject lines so that the
> subjects in the threaded view don't become hundreds
> of characters long.

> Is that possible?

Yes, with Regular Expressions. Unfortunately, I am not an expert.

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Re: Roguemoticons

2019-03-03 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello MFPA,

On Mon, 4 Mar 2019 01:54:01 + GMT (04-Mar-19, 08:54 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:

> Hi all,


> Do Roguemoticons no longer work, is it just me, or is there an option
> I may have inadvertently turned off?

> I have the X-Rogue header in my outgoing emails but no longer see my
> Roguemoticon image in the header pane when viewing my messages. I have
> the rogues.msl file present in my Program Files\The Bat!\Images
> directory, and also the rogues folder containing the images.

> I asked a similar question nearly two years ago [0] and didn't see a
> response. A search for the X-Rogue header on my mailbase shows that
> since my April 2017 query, as well as my messages it has also still
> been included in messages from Greg Strong, Marck Pearlstone, Mark
> Partous, MAU, Peter Hampf, Robin Anson, Volker Ahrendt, and Thomas
> Fernandez. In the previous two years the list also included Stuart
> Cuddy, Rick , Peter Meyns, Jack S. LaRosa, and
> Feli Wilcke. If any of you are reading this, do you still see 
> Roguemoticon images in the header pane?

> [0] 
> https://www.mail-archive.com/tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com/msg103567.html 

I haven't seen Roguemoticons for years. I think this feature was
dicontinued some time ago.

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Re: Reset Gmail

2019-01-08 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Richard,

On Tue, 8 Jan 2019 15:25:50 -0500 GMT (09-Jan-19, 3:25 +0700 GMT),
Richard Newman wrote:

> Hello Thomas,

> Monday, January 7, 2019, 6:37:24 PM, you wrote:
TF>> Try this: Account / Dispatcher / New messages only
> Thanks for your detailed instructions and the effort you put into send the 
> instructions.

> The technique didn't work for "New messages only"; it brought down
> 400-500 messages for from 2014. Even if I had TB download "All
> Messages" it brought down a newer 400-500 messages from 2014. 

> So I went into the original GMail account and archived all messages
> earlier than yesterday. Now the downloading for that account is only
> downloading recent messages as I would expect it to.

> Once again, thanks for your input.

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Re: Reset Gmail

2019-01-07 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Richard,

On Mon, 7 Jan 2019 15:56:24 -0500 GMT (08-Jan-19, 3:56 +0700 GMT),
Richard Newman wrote:

> Hello MFPA,

> Monday, January 7, 2019, 2:04:28 PM, you wrote:
M>> At Account | Properties | Transport, in the "Receive Mail" part of the
M>> tab, prefix your gmail username or email address with "recent:" (no
> Thanks. That didn't work.

> I had "recent:" there already. I took it out. Closed down TB and
> rebooted my machine. Went into TB and downloaded another batch
> (without the "recent:") and got another 500ish circa 2014 emails.

> I put "recent:" back, closed down TB and rebooted my machine. I
> downloaded another batch and got another 500ish circa 2014 emails.

I think "recent:" only means that the client (TB! in this case) should
download mails that have already been viewed by other clients. So, I
am surprised that all the old mails were being downloaded when you
took it out... Google works in mysterious ways.

Try this: Account / Dispatcher / New messages only

TB! will download all headers of mails it would download; download
would start if you hit that botton on the top left. However, don't do
that. You have four columns (Read, Receive, Delete, Open), and they
can be toggled with crtl-1, crtl-2 etc.

Leave the tickmark at Read for all messages but hit crtl-2 to clear
the tickmark from Receive. The effect is that TB! will mark all
messages as Read, so it won't download them again next time, but it
won't actually download any messages.

You can go to the bottom and manually click and add the tickmark again
on those messages that you do want to receive now. Only those will be
downloaded.

Now, hit that down-arrow on the top-left corner.

This is how it works with "normal" POP accounts. It should work with
Gmail, but who knows what other "user-friendly" unintuitive ideas
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Re: Preview pane and main menu disappeared - revised

2019-01-04 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Mike,

On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 15:50:31 -0700 GMT (05-Jan-19, 5:50 +0700 GMT),
Mike Greenbaum wrote:

> MAU,

> Thanks for your response.

>> Hello Mike,

>>> However,  I  still  cannot  figure out how to restore the toolbar or
>>> main menu which contains File, Edit, etc.

>> If your Main menu has disappeared, how the heck did click on Workspace
>> and Message auto-view?

> I guess I was assuming that The Bat! had a typical menu which
> begins with File and then Edit and then other sections. My Messages,
> Specials, Folder, Account toolbar I do have and didn't lose that
> one. I guess I was just mistaken about a File, Edit, etc. toolbar.

I think you have the toolbar with the icons, but you are missing the
one with the words (i.e. the Main Menu), is that correct?

Try this:

>> Anyway,  I  assume you have never done any customisation of your menus
>> or toolbars, have you?. If so, I would suggest that you right click on
>> any  toolbar  and  select  Customise. Once the Customise window opens,
>> click on the "Restore to default" button on bottom left corner.

Once you right-click on any toolbar icon and select Customise, you
have under tab "Menues and Toolbars" the tab "Containers".

In that tab, you have the container "Main Menu". Here you can create
it and add the menu items you want to see.

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Re: Wandering address book

2018-09-23 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Jack,

On Sun, 23 Sep 2018 16:42:08 -0500 GMT (24-Sep-18, 04:12 +0700 GMT),
Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

> Hello TBUDL'ers,

> My wife's laptop has developed a habit of (apparently) randomly switching
> address books. This last time, when I looked in
> C:\Users\June\AppData\Roaming\The Bat!, which is where I usually find the
> address books, the one I was looking for wasn't there. I did a disk search for
> .abd and found a folder here: C:\TB!ADBs which contained the address book for
> which I was searching, and nothing else. Note the transposition of the D and 
> B.

> Should this folder even exist? And if so should it be located in the root
> directory of the C drive? There's a very slight possibly that I might have
> created this folder years ago but even if so, why would the (in use) address
> book move into this folder and be replaced in TB! with one from
> C:\Users\June\AppData\Roaming\The Bat!? She's running TB! v6.0.12. Where in 
> this
> version are the address books normally kept?

I confirm that my AB is wandering as well. Sometimes I find it in the
Download folder, sometimes in other folders. I have not experienced a
new folder being created, though.

> Additionally, any ideas as to why TB would change the current address book in
> what appears to be a random fashion? She has no idea how to change the default
> address book and no one else uses this computer except me and that's usually
> only when something like this happens.

I cannot confirm this, it always looks the same over here.

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Problem solved: Sub-filtering across accounts

2018-06-09 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Thomas,

On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 14:57:50 +0630 GMT (08-Jun-18, 14:57 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote:

> Hello MFPA,

> On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 06:51:16 +0100 GMT (08-Jun-18, 12:21 +0700 GMT),
> MFPA wrote:

>> On Tuesday 5 June 2018 at 7:26:19 AM, in
>> , Thomas Fernandez wrote:-


>>> Yes.  But  since  the  mails  are  arriving there by
>>> filter and not by
>>> downloading, these filters are not triggered.  

>
>> Is the option "continue processing with other filters" selected in 
>> your filter that moves the messages to Account B?

> No it is not, because I don't want TB! to continue with other filters.
> There  might  one  that  is  lower  in the list; sorting my filters is
> something I am careful with.

> I would think that sub-filters are always checked (in the order of the
> subfilters)  even  if  "continue..." is not checked, as otherwise they
> are inactive.

>> Also, why the two-step process? You could do away with the first 
>> filter and move messages straight from Account A Inbox to the required
>> folder in Account B.

> I  think this would be the solution. However, here is the reason why I
> have the two-step process:

> The email address is an alias of a main email address. So, while it is
> a  different  address,  it is really the same mailbox. This made sense
> when  only  a  few  messages  arrived  there.  However,  the volume is
> increasing  so that I first had sub-folders, and now an entire account
> (which does not check emails).

> The  main  filter for this is triggered by that alias email address in
> Headers,  and  then  the  subfilters  are  supposed  to  sort into the
> different folders in that new dummy account.

> Thinking  about  it,  it  is  unlikely that someone uses my main email
> address  with a Header that is used as a trigger in the subfilters. So
> I will take this way and change the subfilters to be main filters.

> Thanks for this tip!

So,  I  did that: Moved the sub-filters out to become main filters and
they still didn't work. The weirdest thing!

I then looked more closely and found another filter higher up in the
list that moved these mail to account B's Inbox. And of course it
didn't continue with other filters so that they were never triggered.

I moved that offending filter down in the list (it has some other
conditions, but there is some overlap), moved the subfilters back to
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Re: Sub-filtering across accounts

2018-06-08 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello MFPA,

On Fri, 8 Jun 2018 06:51:16 +0100 GMT (08-Jun-18, 12:21 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:

> On Tuesday 5 June 2018 at 7:26:19 AM, in
> , Thomas Fernandez wrote:-


>> Yes.  But  since  the  mails  are  arriving there by
>> filter and not by
>> downloading, these filters are not triggered.  


  ,
> Is the option "continue processing with other filters" selected in 
> your filter that moves the messages to Account B?

No it is not, because I don't want TB! to continue with other filters.
There  might  one  that  is  lower  in the list; sorting my filters is
something I am careful with.

I would think that sub-filters are always checked (in the order of the
subfilters)  even  if  "continue..." is not checked, as otherwise they
are inactive.

> Also, why the two-step process? You could do away with the first 
> filter and move messages straight from Account A Inbox to the required
> folder in Account B.

I  think this would be the solution. However, here is the reason why I
have the two-step process:

The email address is an alias of a main email address. So, while it is
a  different  address,  it is really the same mailbox. This made sense
when  only  a  few  messages  arrived  there.  However,  the volume is
increasing  so that I first had sub-folders, and now an entire account
(which does not check emails).

The  main  filter for this is triggered by that alias email address in
Headers,  and  then  the  subfilters  are  supposed  to  sort into the
different folders in that new dummy account.

Thinking  about  it,  it  is  unlikely that someone uses my main email
address  with a Header that is used as a trigger in the subfilters. So
I will take this way and change the subfilters to be main filters.

Thanks for this tip!

> I did away with per-account filters long ago and switched to Common 
> filters instead, which I find far easier. I would suggest giving them 
> a try.

These mails only arrive in that one main account, and the account they
are  filtered  into is a dummy account. I would like to make it a main
account  but  will have to check with GMX whether they can do it. If I
just  delete  the alias from the main account and then try to create a
new  account with that address, GMX will block that address from being
created  for  a certain time, I believe. And then I cannot receive any
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Re: Sub-filtering across accounts

2018-06-05 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Stuart,

On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 10:37:31 -0500 GMT (05-Jun-18, 22:37 +0700 GMT),
Stuart Cuddy wrote:

> Hello Thomas,
> Tuesday, June 5, 2018, 10:16:39 AM, you wrote:

>> Yes, manual refiltering works.

> Hmmm. Unfortunately I find that depending on the ISP and probably what IMAP
> platform they use, that filtering is a bit flaky. I have some accounts that 
> will
> automatically filter my messages 90 % of the time, but then refuse to filter
> identical messages no matter what I do. Its like The Bat just quits filtering 
> at
> some point.

> I also come up against the ones that don't filter automatically, but filter 
> just
> fine with re-filter.

In  that  case,  maybe  I  should  try  and delete the filter and just
recreate it. I'll come back with the result.

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Re: Sub-filtering across accounts

2018-06-05 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Stuart,

On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 10:04:17 -0500 GMT (05-Jun-18, 22:04 +0700 GMT),
Stuart Cuddy wrote:

> Hello Thomas,
> Tuesday, June 5, 2018, 9:37:30 AM, you wrote:

>> Yes, it is right below account A. Hmmm...

> Does the re-filter work.

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Re: Sub-filtering across accounts

2018-06-05 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Stuart,

On Tue, 5 Jun 2018 07:10:58 -0500 GMT (05-Jun-18, 19:10 +0700 GMT),
Stuart Cuddy wrote:

> Hello Thomas,
> Tuesday, June 5, 2018, 1:26:19 AM, you wrote:

>> Yes.  But  since  the  mails  are  arriving there by filter and not by
>> downloading, these filters are not triggered.

> It works here. I wonder if it matters if account b is below account a in the
> list of accounts. I'm not sure how an account would know if it arrived by 
> filter
> or not.  Does it work if you re-filter account 
> B after the mail has been moved there?

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