Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
0spam.com only requires that you tell it what your mailing lists are, the
rest is automatic if you so desire. Just fwiw. The fact is that the
fastest way to deal with spam is to simply not download it in the first
place. Also the fact that you don't need to run any
Stephane Bouvard [ML] wrote:
I join with this mail a really little example, just try : open it
in TheBat! and try to reply...
Open what?
The only attachment is this part.txt which is the list signature
lines.
-tom!
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features that are so useful in an office
environment, notably the calendar and the auto-address stuff (e.g. I
type in tom and hit tab and Tom Plunket appears in the To: field.)
I didn't figure this was functionality that was reasonable to ask for
in TB, and since 99% of my email needs at work
Alexander S. Kunz wrote:
After the installation and first configuration, and a short training
period, it needs almost no maintenance - this is the most important thing
for me, I don't want to re-classify mails every other day and tweak some
settings and whatnot.
0spam.com only requires that
Luca wrote:
The Windows editor, like most other editors for Windows, virtual
wraps as you edit, using the specified character limit in the
options.
That means that TB's Windows-like editor is useless, plain and
simple. If there is no way to send messages with correct line
wrapping, one
Marten Gallagher wrote:
Could anyone using multiple POP3 accounts with The Bat, tell me what
anti=spam system they use and could you provide a four or five word
recommendation?
I've said it before and I'll say it again.
http://www.0spam.com
It's the only spam solution you will ever need.
Dwight A Corrin wrote:
On the other issue, it does not seem like a bug that whenever you hit
ctrl-n or the 'create a new message' icon that it always starts with
the cursor at To:
I've brought that up in the past, and it sounded like that was by
design, despite the fact that one might not
Marten Gallagher wrote:
Now comes the bit that always used to work:
For what it's worth, this key bit of information was not present in
earlier messages.
If it is literally the case that it used to work, and then you changed
nothing and now it doesn't work, well, that's not good. Since this
Marten Gallagher wrote:
Marten Gallagher wrote:
Alternatively, you could just set the following in your per-folder
reply templates (but it's more to manage):
%From=Webmaster [EMAIL PROTECTED]
That's what I'm doing - I obviously wasn't clear in my original message.
It doesn't work
the syntax of the %If macro right (mostly due to not having
any else clause), I've never had a problem with it.
%From=Tom Plunket its_like_magic
I do have a couple of per-folder reply macros, but the emails coming
into those folders would get the same generated From: address as the
macro creates, so I
=%RegExpMatch=%OToAddr
%if:%VarName:%From=Tom Plunket %VarName:
So, you'll want to edit it to be:
%SetPattRegExp=[EMAIL PROTECTED]
%VarName=%RegExpMatch=%OToAddr
%if:%VarName:%From=Webmaster %VarName:
This is in my account properties' Reply template.
Alternatively, you could just set
Leif Gregory wrote:
Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists
of a dashdashspacereturn, i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line.
This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without
the signature and list footers since everything below and including
the
Cory wrote:
Am I overlooking something? Can't find a way to do so for a per-folder
template, no switch nor macro...
You mean, beyond what the right-click/Properties gives you in tabs?
-tom!
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I've found if I have my window open to just the right height,
single-space read will fail to detect the end of the message for every
message. Stretch the window a few pixels taller, and it works.
Anyone else noticed this, or should I try to find more explicit repro
steps?
-tom!
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Michael Acklin wrote:
Tuesday, September 27, 2005, 8:24:09 PM, you wrote:
You are correct, Richard. Just checked and the last message I got from
this group was dated 23 Sept 2005. So you are right in the fact that
it has been almost a week now.
27 - 23 = 4
Do we call that George W. Bush
Nick Dutton wrote:
I'd have to say that for me it's the ability to manage my POP folders
*after* the initial retrieval, and the reason I use K9 instead of
BayesIt.
Once I've checked an account with TB! (as opposed to TB) any
subsequent check from dial-up or mobile devices is free of list
Fredrik Bergström wrote:
Just to clarify what I mean with empty lines I took this image:
http://holly.ko2000.nu/fredsinbox.png
If only I had an internet connection as I write this.
As you can se all the mails from each sender is grouped but I will not
see the Subject or Received date of the
Nick Dutton wrote:
I'd like to set up some keyboard shortcuts to move between messages:
Forward/Back = ./,
I have set this up in the View Message Folder section and it works
nicely when I view each message in its own viewer window.
I'd also like this to work when I'm reading messages in
Martin Webster on tbudl wrote:
You need to copy the certificate into your Address Book trusted CA
section.
How do I do this?
You should also see two red icons for Intermediate CA and Trusted
CA in your address book...
I don't. Beyond the three green books that have what look like a
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:
TP I have added the cut marks because this mailing list's moderators
TP have decided that they are important, and the list software's
TP automatically-appended signatures do not follow the moderators own
TP rules. However, I do wish to point out that it's a tad silly.
WilWilWil wrote:
Since TB 3.60, my templates are well used by TB except the position
define for the cursor.
Speaking of which, is there a way to get focus into the message pane
for new messages?
I have a New Message template set up on the folder for this group, and
when I hit ^N, the To:
Martin Webster on tbudl wrote:
3) My domain provider recently started offering POP and SMTP over SSL.
I'd love to use it. Unfortunately for me, I need to access it with
pop.fancy.org, and the host's certificate says their domain name.
Yes, this is possible. You need to copy the
Roelof Otten wrote:
TP 9) What are the document icons in the status window for? Everything
TPelse I can figure out, but the two with the checkmarks (one is an
TPenvelope, one looks like a piece of paper) aren't coming to me...
I guess you mean what we're calling the 'message list'.
Roelof Otten wrote:
TP (Unfortunately it'd be a lot easier for me to deal with personally if
TP it were a newsgroup, but then I understand that that seems silly for
TP an email program... Alas.)
Actually, it's possible to follow this list as a newsgroup on gmane,
see http://www.gmane.org/
Peter Fjelsten wrote:
Right click on it Headers Edit headers: Here you can
add/display all you want. Just make sure that the Display this
field on the scrollable part of the header pane is unchecked.
Cool- yep, I was bitten by the option that didn't actually appear in
the window's default
Clive Taylor wrote:
How do I need to do to get the messages in the Inbox to display?
Update to the latest version of TB. IMAP has come a long way since v2
and is quite usable now.
It still has some weird issues that I have yet to fully classify, but
in general I would agree that it's usable.
zwjunk wrote:
1) Per my tbudl message titled Does 3.0 properly render Outlook email? from
Sept 1, 2004. A major problem with 2.x was that it wouldn't render Outlook
email
properly. It often concatenates words. Very annoying, especially when one
wants
to reply/forward the message.
I
Michael Rudnick wrote:
I've added a custom toolbar that has the different message formats.
That way if I want to reply in plain text (as I do most of the time) I
can just press a button to change it. If I want to leave it as HTML to
preserve the formatting I don't have to do anything.
Why
Roelof Otten wrote:
TP thanks a ton,
TP -tom!
TP
TP Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
moderator
Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not
just to the person being replied to, even if their post
Curtis wrote:
Keyboard shortcuts and toolbars are fully configurable now.
Ah cool thanks.
I have my setup using single key navigation buttons as with Agent. Just
right click on toolbar area and select 'customise'.
Ugh, it looks like a big task. Ah well, at least I can do it. :)
The
I originally bought The Bat! way back in January 2000 because the
email program I was using at the time, Agent, wasn't doing a couple of
things that I wanted. After a year with The Bat!, I went back to
Agent because quite frankly the message navigation and threading are
far superior to that in
VM Try send thru my university SMTP use this: pop.faesa.br maybe work.
VM Was wrong on last mail!!! now it is
VM correct
MDP This looks like the address of a POP server rather than an SMTP
MDP server.
Last I heard, many email servers were able to
GE But what, if that person just harvests our adress out of our PGP-sigantures ?
I got one copy of the message, no PGP here. Only on TBUDL.
-tom!
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Bah, ridiculous thing.
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d I travel so I use TB using various dialups (normally to my isp through their
d remote connections) and through my clients internet connections. This has
d always worked well.
d I am now at a new client and at this location I can receive mail using TB but I
d can not send mail. I get a
GE I would like to add that the In_Reply_To-ID is omitted by some mail clients
GE (like M$ Echange and older M$ Outlook Versions 4.xxx; may be there are more
GE clients). AFAIK this could result in incorrect threading in TB!
Yep, this troubles me on every mailing list that I'm on outside of
SL But, of course, don't take my word for it, chances are I'm just yanking
SL your chain.
JF Steve, I wouldn't take your word for *anything.*
JF Not if it was chipped in granite, gilded in gold, or just scribbled
JF on the wall of an outdoor crapper somewhere.
C Living dangerously Joe? :-/
What if someone had a crypto++ dll could that be made to work? Can we
hack the resources on the S/MIME and get something else running in
that slot?
JD This would be very difficult as many of the programmers on the list
JD would agree. DLL's are usually used to store functions and procedures
JD
Ok this is old, but I've been on the road and have something to point
out.
- Get rid of the horizontal scroll bar - text should be fully
wrapped within the open message window upon reading that message
I knew Steve would jump on this one. However, at the same time, I
*personally*
G Going through Microsoft Explorer and even Start/Find, no files with
G the suffix *.DBX come up. Anybody know how I should import my OE5
G info?
TF On this computer here in the office, where Outlook is installed buit I
TF don't use it, a search like this:
TF c:\dir *.dbx/s
Can't comment on
First, let me say that I'm glad that you dropped the "u" and "r" and
assorted "o-day 133+" (that's "zero-day elite" translated from wannabe
hacker language for someone who gets warez on the day a title is
released, so they're really cool) speech, since it'll generally get
you pegged, on this
AD I noted that for "mailto:" links The Bat! uses current folder' NM
AD template.
C Go into the account properties and on the first page, look at
C the bottom where you'll see an option 'This account is the default for
C 'mailto:' URLS'. Enable that option and see if it helps.
SMS Greetings, my name is Steve...
Welcome to the group.
Good luck using The Bat! It is a fantastic program and I believe that
everyone who uses it has some issue with it, so you're no different in
that regard.
By the way, can your screen-reader interpret the colon-dash-parenthesis
sequence
SL Uhm... Why? No need to reformat the hard drive just to reinstall
SL windows. Just delete the Windows directory. xdelete or xdel is the command.
xdel in DR-DOS, deltree since MS-DOS 5 I think... Just picking nits.
;)
-tom!
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Bah, ridiculous thing.
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t whats the use of that? reformat the drive under Linux, do it
t properly
S /mnt/windows - it's where my dos partition mounted when I'm using
S linux. when I will do rm -r /mnt/windows it will remove ALL files from
S that partition :)
Although I get the joke and find it funny, I think
You don't look at any of the headers in any form before reading a
message?
SL Look, no. Scan, yes.
Ok, I prefer to have them easily available *completely* rather than
*partly*. Difference in needs I suppose.
Am I correct in assuming that you don't ever care what the full To:
field
So I have to go to crtl-shft-K and see all headers. Instead, I would
like a little window (option, for those who like the current way) that
shows all recipients, osrting by TO and CC, very much like the window
that opens when you create a message and click on the little
addre4ssbook icon on
JDW Hello Rasyad,
JDW Thursday, July 27, 2000, 1:02:19 AM, you wrote:
R unsubscribe
JDW not again
JDW ==message to moderators
JDW I've resisted the temptation this time.
Is it really that hard to simply direct flames at the user
specifically and not the mailing
TF What do you expect from people who also put ICQ into the list of
TF finalists for email programmes, and Agent (isn't that a newsreader?).
IMO Agent blows TB! out of the water when it comes to mailing list
manipulation.
Where it fails is in multi-server implementation and the desire to
have
what I need... Probably not. :( (Let's hear it
for ini files)
-tom!
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Tom Plunket
3D Studio/video game geek
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To send a message to the list moderation team double click
In Options/NetworkAdmin, check "No automatic redial". Then TB!
will not attempt connect to the network and will check mail
periodically only if you are connected anyway.
I thought that there might be some overlap of features that this might
benefit me, alas it is only available when you're
FvV I just noticed that when I collect mail from the server, the Bat! is
FvV first retrieving the headers. Is this an option I can turn off
FvV or is it nomal behaviour?
Likely you have kill filters (oof there's a new name for them now and
I can't remember what it is), so you have to get rid
FvV I know how to set up the basic template to send and reply to
FvV mail. But how do I set it up to easily select a template to use
FvV that would use a different account? (I need basic info or else
FvV need to know where to find the basic info).
FvV Did I really sent this message???
FvV I
top of the message. However, if you're only interested in To:, From:,
CC:, and Subject:, it only shows those, but it shows those fully (and
wrapped at screen width.
SL Great, so we could have a slew of information which, most times, we don't
SL want or need before we get to the actual
SL I never understood this fascination with drag and drop text inside the
SL same application. I mean, when you start typing your next message, stop mid
SL sentence and look where your hands are. Now, look where your mouse is. Now
SL as yourself this simple question: Which is closer, the
C Right now I need the preview window width to be about 90
C characters wide to view most messages without window wrapping kicks in.
C To accommodate the attachments bar, I need about a 95 character width, a
C width that I cannot get with TB! in full screen mode and the account
C folder
TF LOL - No, it didn't. It was selectively sent into oblivion as it may
TF have been politically incorrect. And we cannot tolerate any
TF intolerance now, can we? ;-)
Heh and I hate people who generalize, too. All of them. It
should go without saying that I hate intolerant people also. ;)
utstanding bugs)
-tom!
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3D Studio/video game geek
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MW Is there a way to read a mailing list that is in it's own folder in
MW threaded view - by reading new messages in order of thread?
View-View Threads By...-Reference
I also reverse-sort on the "Created" time so that newer messages go
below older ones.
-tom!
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Bah, ridiculous
JR I have in my message list columns the received and created time column
JR headings. Many of these show the time only, e.g. 11.09, but no date...
1) Is this in the FAQ? It should be.
2) Don't reply to a message when starting a new thread. This makes
your new topic get buried in a
MA This because I have the "maximum messages in this folder" set to a
MA very low value (20) and sometimes I receive more than 20 messages in
MA one check e-mail. So, when I go out TB! the overvalue of messages
MA were deleted, but they were unread. :(
Dunno if it helps anything,
JA This message is just a proof that TB can send HTML messages if you
JA do it right.
TB With all due respect, it was proof of The Bats ability to send an
TB attachment.
What's the distinction then between an HTML message and an HTML
attachment, then, if the entire message body is in the HTML
CO What would be ideal is if, when I do that, a filter would say,
CO hey! This is from xyz.com domain. And then put it in the project
CO folder rather than the Trash folder.
Actually, this sort of thing could be generally useful.
Imagine if the TB! developers allowed you to essentially define
What's the distinction then between an HTML message and an HTML
attachment, then, if the entire message body is in the HTML and TB!
strips the tags to show you the message in each case? IOW, looked
like an HTML message to me...
DH Very easy: Just turn off the "View HTML Messages". You
ACM Most mailers send two messages, i.e., the html message and a
ACM plain text version. Are you sure that TB! actually displays the plain
ACM text message by stripping the HTML stuff out and reformatting?
Ya pretty sure. A lot of mail that I seem to get doesn't have the
text version
Ya pretty sure. A lot of mail that I seem to get doesn't have the
text version also, it's just an HTML-only message.
JA I don't get enough HTML mail to make the distinction. However, I can tell
JA you that the message in my outbox and in my sent folder both had the plain
JA text part.
TM I am the one still using an IMAP server. (It is still working fine).
TM Is it possible to set something up in order to access shared folders
TM (on the IMAP server its no problem) or to have incoming mails
TM visualized to more then on users? (that do not have necessarily
TM configured the
BP This is my final answer... I can't seem to get it right. :-(( It was (is) a
BP Digest that I am have problems with.
Ah ha! The truth is heard! Ok that does it then, I was just
wondering the other day if digests were ever "fixed" in TB! and
here's one thing that pretty much guarantees
ok BFF7B9AG Read of adresses 45485464
ok 00424B31 Read of adresses 45485464
The address looked like it could be ASCII (aka a bad pointer), but it
translates into "EHTd". Does that string look familiar to you in any
way? (It won't solve the crash but it may help track it down.)
-tom!
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JMP I've got a question. I have 2 computers, a home one and a laptop from
JMP my job. I want to be able to use TB on both, as I will be off home for
JMP a longer time but need to access all my mail (I have 12 accounts).
I use it on two computers as well, with the mail database stored on my
C Strange. Long lines are wrapped here by default. It may
C sound strange but do you have the autowrap option in the editor
C preferences enabled?
N Well, in the EDITOR it also works here, but not in the Mail-VIEWER,
N maybe I have to live with the Workaround from Jason. :-(
I have
TW When I klick on the "Send queued mail" button and the above error
TW occurs it is not possible to send afterwards. To be precise, when
TW klicking that button again the dialogue "nothing to send" appears.
Perhaps this is because those messages are marked to go out already
when the
Friday, July 14, 2000, 2:16:42 AM, Ming-Li wrote:
Agreed. To be fair, though, its current arrangement isn't illogical
per se. Yet the school of using Tab to move around fields and Arrows
to move within a drop-down list has won out in today's Windows
programming.
Bite your tongue!
Thanks, but changing the OS is not an option; I'm running this on a
corporate system.
OS Well, IMO there's nothing in this world that makes Win98 run smoothly
OS and undisturbed under all circumstances. Same goes for NT (probably
OS for any OS if you take it seriously), but it's much
SL Any way to have threads expanded by default from the start?
No. I think Ctrl-(Numpad)* expands and Alt-(Numpad)* collapses all
threads, but there is no auto-expand.
SL --
SL Steve C. Lamb | I'm your priest, I'm your shrink, I'm your
SL ICQ: 5107343 |
NA I don't know how some of the other more experienced TB! Users feel about
NA it, but if I were checking out TB! for the first time, I'd lean toward
NA installing the latest Beta:
NA http://www.ritlabs.com/the_bat/beta.html
NA as that would give you the most up to date list of features.
We are using your great (!) email client and run a linux-based
cyrus imap-server behind. It is some time that I remarked some
strange things about new mails. At least my account does not show
me all incoming mails.
ML I guess no one answered because none of us has ever experienced
ML
ML I'm wondering if you have the same experience: from time to time,
ML after using TB in maximized state for a while and go back to normal
ML window, TB would not restore its original window size and position
ML (as I set it up). Instead, it would go back to its default size (I
ML guess, for
ML being able to mark a word bold is more important (and they think
ML using _these words are bold_ is an awkward alternative).
Come on now, the underscore means "underline" and you use asterisks to
indicate bold. :)
Actually, I was stunned the first time Word did that formatting for
me. I
C Agent really shines in it's stability, portability and the ease
C with which one can navigate and read news messages. Otherwise it's
C pretty much equalled and in many respects bettered by Gravity and
C X-News.
Umm, what more do you want from a news client than ease in navigating
and
AB does anybody know, how to get rid of startup logo...? I simply don't
AB like it. At all!
In the shortcut that you use to start TB!, append '/nologo', as in:
"C:\Program Files\The Bat!\thebat.exe" /nologo
-tom!
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Hopin' this said *something* useful, [EMAIL PROTECTED] out.
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BP Hi,
BP I'm having a problem (not great) with one list I subscribe to. The text
BP appears as follows, with improper line wrap. It was Ok with Eudora...
BP Is there any way to clean it up to make for easier reading? (and to stay
BP within the TB program?
For reading you have no options,
TB Hello Tom,
TB On 05 July 2000 at 20:10:21 GMT -0700 (which was 04:10 where I live)
TB Tom ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed:
s i'm curious as to which country is the base country that
s makes all other countries "others"?
Please be careful with your attributions. Hopefully it's obvious that
I
NA I don't see why we have to Ming-Li. We are not even sure if there is a
NA bug, and even if there was, how are we to know if it's attributable to
NA the Beta. I mean, everyone is using the latest Beta...
Who exactly is "everyone"? I, for one, do not keep up with the latest
and greatest. My
OK I've been evaluating The Bat! and find a lot to like, but the
OK mono-spaced font limitation is gnawing at me.
Heh, new to the world of electronic communication? No offense meant,
but this is really "the way it's been done" for a long, long time.
OK For those of you who have been using The
Note the complete absence of capitals. sd I'm not getting at you
personally as you may be resident in another country.
s well, Jamie, i mean none of the following personally
s regardless of *where* you reside... g
clap clap
Posts that only pick on grammar are the ones that need to get
instructions, but 'til then, well, we'll see. I
personally chalk it up to a Delphi library bug, but, well, we'll see.
:)
-tom!
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MA There, I would like to just open the mail dispatcher for that message
MA (showing just the header of the big message), but unfortately all the
MA messages on the server comes up (I know that is the way it should
MA work). I've always about 150 messages on the server...
MA the wish is:
t I cannot send mail via one isp since last week. basically it c annot
t connect with the smtp server the Bat says.
I'd ask the mail-server provider about it. Some allow outbound SMTP
connections, others don't. They may have allowed it for a while but
now don't, or perhaps they're
JD On some peoples posts to TBUDL and TBBETA TB! downloads the same
JD post twice.
I've seen this from time to time, but haven't seen it in a few
weeks... In other words, I've only gotten singles of every message
lately. Perhaps you have a funny filter that's doin' it to ya?
-tom!
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CM As a programmer, though, would you think it prudent to release new
CM versions (betas) without including any info whatsoever with that beta,
CM such as what has been changed, added, removed, etc.?
What has prudent got to do with any of it? Whenever we release new
versions of our software,
, though, and DNS is on the
"outside". When my gateway goes down (or, as just happened, the
hub in my office goes on the fritz), TB! crashes while checking
mail.
Regards,
Tom Plunket
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out a more reproducable case. This bug has been bothering me
for some time but it's just now that I discovered the relationship
between unread messages and deleting them and the "New" counter.
Regards,
Tom Plunket
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ND An idea for a new macro:
NDOne that would list the CC recipients, much like the %ATTACHMENTS
ND does for any attachments now. That way the person receiving the email
ND would know whom else is was sent to. In case they don't have the CC
ND header info showing up in their email
CJT He is using Windows 2000 and has a problem with automatic dual-up
CJT from TB! It seems to be dialing out, but then disconnects.
Can he use the modem to otherwise surf the net? If he can't, then
it's certainly not a TB problem... (Just a thought)
-tom!
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Hopin' this said
CM What I'd like to be able to do is to be able to forward a particular
CM message to my sms service but only forward a part of the message, in
CM this particular case I would only be interested in the paragraph of text
CM immediately following "Title:" (This is in the text body of the
CM
, not the headers.
Here's mine (well it's a "new" template, but the idea is similar):
***
%Cursor
-tom!
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3D Studio/video game geek
%TO=""%TO="[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
***
That last line is the key. The first %TO="
MW I have a similar catchall message filter as the last filter for my
MW incoming mail - but instead of using not-"?" I
MW just left the filtering strings blank.
...and my catch-all filter checks for the existence of my email
address in the Recipient fields. If it's not
I think you got confused. "Grey" refers to the numpad...
JA Not to mention the fact that Grey* is confusing to those of us with
JA keyboards where all the keys are one colour.
Aye or those of us on laptops where the numpad is accessed via a
special keystroke and lays atop the letters...
SP In the end of this month Max is going to release stand-alone LNG
SP compiler, so, everybody will be able to compile his language
SP himself, to see how it works and to debug it.
NA Could someone explain to me what that means to the average User? How will
NA that feature affect my
JL So now Win98 is up and running but my old Bat! isn't. When I ran the
JL file "the_bat.exe" v1.44, The Bat! installed as if it was a first time
JL installation.
I do actually have something different to say. ;)
Anyhow, I've done this a couple of times, and not knowing about the
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