Re: Are Roguemoticons still active?

[MFPA]

Hi


On Wednesday 10 June 2020 at 10:40:45 AM, in
, Marck Pearlstone
wrote:-


> I  wouldn't  have  thought so. But I would think that
> he might want an
> incentive  to  invest the time into creating a
> pass-on-able version of
> the code and data. It's not trivial!  


That side of it is moot unless TB! still supports Roguemoticons.  

Under X:\Program Files\The Bat!\Images, I still have the "rogues.msl"
file and the "rogues" folder containing the Roguemoticon image files. In
the context menu when right-clicking in the header pane of the message
viewer, I still have the option selected to "Display contact's photo"
(and not the option to "Prefer photo from Address Book". But I don't
see the Roguemoticon picture in the message header when I display an
email that has a valid X-Rogue header. This has been the case for over
three years, since TB! Version 7.4.16 or earlier.

Has the required location for the "rogues.msl" file and the
Roguemoticon image files changed?

Is there another option that I need to set?

Or does TB! simply not support Roguemoticons any more?


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Re: Are Roguemoticons still active?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Marck,

On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 09:54:11 +0100 GMT (10-Jun-20, 15:54 +0700 GMT),
Marck Pearlstone wrote:


> On 10 June 2020 at 04:37 Thomas Fernandez wrote and made these points

> ... 
>>> also not seen the Roguemoticon images displayed for a long time - one
>>> person said several years.

TF>> I understanding we are waiting for a volunteer to host and maintain
TF>> the Roguemoticon database. Until then, it won't work.

> Not quite. I offered years ago. Leif wasn't willing to pass the code /
> db  over to host at Silverstones and that's how it was left. Even with
> a  volunteer with a Apache/MySQL/PHP server we would still need to get
> the  site  code  and  db  dump  from  Leif, who may or may not be more
> willing now.

Oh, I see. Thanks for the clarification.

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Re: Are Roguemoticons still active?

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 10 June 2020 at 10:10 Maggie Meister wrote and made these points

TF>>> I understanding we are waiting for a volunteer to host and maintain
TF>>> the Roguemoticon database. Until then, it won't work.

MP>> Not quite. I offered years ago. Leif wasn't willing to pass the code /
MP>> db  over to host at Silverstones and that's how it was left. Even with
MP>> a  volunteer with a Apache/MySQL/PHP server we would still need to get
MP>> the  site  code  and  db  dump  from  Leif, who may or may not be more
MP>> willing now.

MM> Do you think he wants to get paid for the code?

I  wouldn't  have  thought so. But I would think that he might want an
incentive  to  invest the time into creating a pass-on-able version of
the code and data. It's not trivial!

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Re: Are Roguemoticons still active?

[Maggie Meister]

Hi Marck,

On Wednesday, June 10, 2020 at 4:54:11 AM you wrote:

<...>

TF>> I understanding we are waiting for a volunteer to host and maintain
TF>> the Roguemoticon database. Until then, it won't work.

MP> Not quite. I offered years ago. Leif wasn't willing to pass the code /
MP> db  over to host at Silverstones and that's how it was left. Even with
MP> a  volunteer with a Apache/MySQL/PHP server we would still need to get
MP> the  site  code  and  db  dump  from  Leif, who may or may not be more
MP> willing now.

Do you think he wants to get paid for the code?

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Re: Are Roguemoticons still active?

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 10 June 2020 at 04:37 Thomas Fernandez wrote and made these points

... 
>> also not seen the Roguemoticon images displayed for a long time - one
>> person said several years.

TF> I understanding we are waiting for a volunteer to host and maintain
TF> the Roguemoticon database. Until then, it won't work.

Not quite. I offered years ago. Leif wasn't willing to pass the code /
db  over to host at Silverstones and that's how it was left. Even with
a  volunteer with a Apache/MySQL/PHP server we would still need to get
the  site  code  and  db  dump  from  Leif, who may or may not be more
willing now.

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Re: Are Roguemoticons still active?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MFPA,

On Wed, 10 Jun 2020 03:56:27 +0100 GMT (10-Jun-20, 9:56 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:

> In April 2017 I posted that I no longer see the Roguemoticon images
> displayed in the message header; nobody posted to confirm or differ. I
> posted again in March 2019 and four people replied that they had
> also not seen the Roguemoticon images displayed for a long time - one
> person said several years.

I understanding we are waiting for a volunteer to host and maintain
the Roguemoticon database. Until then, it won't work.

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Re: Are Roguemoticons still active?

[MFPA]

Hi


On Tuesday 9 June 2020 at 9:35:53 AM, in
, Marck Pearlstone
wrote:-



>> On  Sunday,  02 March 2008 at 12:13

The server has worked some of the time since then as it sent me a
handful of "Someone new has joined or updated their image on
Roguemoticons" emails between 2009 and 2013.

Discussion on a TBUDL thread from November 2013 (Subject:
Roguemoticons/Smileys) says TB! was displaying the Roguemoticon
images.

In April 2017 I posted that I no longer see the Roguemoticon images
displayed in the message header; nobody posted to confirm or differ. I
posted again in March 2019 and four people replied that they had
also not seen the Roguemoticon images displayed for a long time - one
person said several years.


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Re: Are Roguemoticons still active?

[Marck Pearlstone]

On 09 June 2020 at 02:31 Thomas Fernandez wrote and made these points

... 

>> But I'm not convinced that it still does anything.

TF> I haven't seen any Roguemoticons for a long while. I don't remember
TF> when they stopped.

> On  Sunday,  02 March 2008 at 12:13, ma...@silverstones.com wrote to
> Leif Gregory l...@pcwize.com:
>
MP>> It's been a while - hope you're doing well and the family are great
MP>> too. I am, and mine are. ;-)
>
MP>> I think we may need to talk about what we're going to do with the
MP>> rogues system.
>
MP>> It seems not to be working and hasn't done for a while. There are a
MP>> lot of reports of failed logins and inability to upload pics. I'd
MP>> love to replace my own weathered visage too, but can't get past the
MP>> sign in screen. I guess the same goes for the emoticon system.
>
MP>> Do you want to have a shot at fixing it? Do you even have time? Or
MP>> should we be looking at moving it?
>
MP>> Anyway - over to you...

[crickets]

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Re: Are Roguemoticons still active?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello MFPA,

On Mon, 8 Jun 2020 18:15:12 +0100 GMT (09-Jun-20, 0:15 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:

> That's right. The title now just says "Welcome to" without
> "Roguemoticons" on the end; most of the page is still the same.
> Probably better to look at one of the snapshots archived at Way Back
> Machine.
> https://web.archive.org/web/20160403233201/http://pcwize.com/thebat/

> A few of us on this list are still using an X-Rogue: header

>   Marck Pearlstone
>   Mark Partous
>   MAU
>   MFPA (me!)
>   Peter Meyns
>   Thomas Fernandez

> But I'm not convinced that it still does anything.

I haven't seen any Roguemoticons for a long while. I don't remember
when they stopped.

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Re: Are Roguemoticons still active?

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MFPA,

On Monday, June 8, 2020 you wrote:

M> Hi


M> On Monday 8 June 2020 at 6:22:33 PM, in
M> , Jack S. LaRosa wrote:-


>> So you're no longer getting the "internal server error"?  

M> The main point is I don't see the Roguemoticon images any more in the
M> message header when viewing messages.

Ah, neither do I. Haven't in a long time.

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Re: Are Roguemoticons still active?

[MFPA]

Hi


On Monday 8 June 2020 at 6:22:33 PM, in
, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:-


> So you're no longer getting the "internal server error"?  

The main point is I don't see the Roguemoticon images any more in the
message header when viewing messages. The only images I now see in the 
message header are from address book entries.

A secondary point is the server that hosted the Roguemoticon images,
and emailed updates when an image was added or deleted, seems to not
be performing as it used to. (In additiaddition, a filter used to pull the
new image from the server and update my local rogues.msl file if a
message came in with un unrecognised handle in the X-Rogues header.)


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Re: Are Roguemoticons still active?

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MFPA,

On Monday, June 8, 2020 you wrote:

M> Hi


M> On Monday 8 June 2020 at 3:50:55 PM, in
M> , Jack S. LaRosa wrote:-

>> FWIW, the link you posted takes me to the PCWIZE.COM
>> WELCOME screen.  


M> That's right. The title now just says "Welcome to" without
M> "Roguemoticons" on the end; most of the page is still the same.
M> Probably better to look at one of the snapshots archived at Way Back
M> Machine.
M> https://web.archive.org/web/20160403233201/http://pcwize.com/thebat/

M> A few of us on this list are still using an X-Rogue: header

M>   Marck Pearlstone
M>   Mark Partous
M>   MAU
M>   MFPA (me!)
M>   Peter Meyns
M>   Thomas Fernandez

M> But I'm not convinced that it still does anything.

So you're no longer getting the "internal server error"?

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Re: Are Roguemoticons still active?

[MFPA]

Hi


On Monday 8 June 2020 at 3:50:55 PM, in
, Jack S. LaRosa wrote:-

> FWIW, the link you posted takes me to the PCWIZE.COM
> WELCOME screen.  


That's right. The title now just says "Welcome to" without
"Roguemoticons" on the end; most of the page is still the same.
Probably better to look at one of the snapshots archived at Way Back
Machine.
https://web.archive.org/web/20160403233201/http://pcwize.com/thebat/

A few of us on this list are still using an X-Rogue: header

  Marck Pearlstone
  Mark Partous
  MAU
  MFPA (me!)
  Peter Meyns
  Thomas Fernandez

But I'm not convinced that it still does anything.

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Re: Are Roguemoticons still active?

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello MFPA,

On Sunday, June 7, 2020 you wrote:


M> Hi,

M> Are Roguemoticons still active?

M> I still have the rogues.msl file and the Rogues images folder in place 
M> under Program Files\The Bat!\Images. But I don't see the images any 
M> more in the message header when viewing messages, apart from a few 
M> people for whom I have a photo in an address book entry. 

M> I have not received any email notifications that "Someone new has
M> joined or updated their image on Roguemoticons" since November 2013. I 
M> just tried logging on at http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/ and it told 
M> me:-

M>  Internal Server Error

M>  The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and
M>  was unable to complete your request.

M>  Please contact the server administrator, and inform them of the
M>  time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that
M>  may have caused the error.

M>  More information about this error may be available in the server
M>  error log.
M>  
M> I also have an incoming message filter called catch_rogue that I 
M> vaguely recall was something to do with picking up Roguemoticons that 
M> were not already on my machine. 

M>  TB! Message Filter 
M> beginFilter
M> UID: [02B2FF90.01CEE96F.230962BE.141169BB]
M> Name: catch_rogue
M> Filter: {\0D\0A\20`7`X-Rogue`5`.\0D\0A}
M> ExportMessage FmtText filename
M> I:\5CThe\20Bat!\5CProtocol_Logging\5CThe_Bat!_roguesfiltr.log
M> filenamerelative %WDIR%\5CProtocol_Logging\5CThe_Bat!_roguesfiltr.log
M> template
M> 
%_rogue\3D\22%OHEADER(X-Rogue)\22%-\0D\0A%_roguesmsl\3D\22%PROGRAMDIR\5Cimages\5Crogues.msl\22%-\0D\0A%_allrogues\3D\22%PUT\3D\27%_roguesmsl\27\22%-\0D\0A%IF:~%SETPATTREGEXP\3D\22%_rogue\22%-\0D\0A%REGEXPMATCH(%_allrogues)~\3D~~:~\0D\0A%DATE\20%TIME\0D\0A%XMP_UrlDldFile(\22http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/getrogue.php?id\3D%_rogue\22,%-\0D\0A\22%XMP_TempDir%-rogue\22)%-\0D\0A%_path\3D\22%SETPATTREGEXP\3D\27URL\5C:\5Cs(.*?)[\5Cs\5Cn]\27%REGEXPMATCH\3D\27%PUT\3D`%XMP_TempDir%-rogue`\27\22%-\0D\0A%_filename\3D\22%SETPATTREGEXP\3D\27.*\5C/(.*?)$\27%REGEXPMATCH(%_path)\22%-\0D\0A%IF:#%_path#<>##:#\0D\0A%_path\0D\0A%_filename\0D\0A%IF:`%XMP_UrlDldFile(\22%_path\22,%-\0D\0A\22%PROGRAMDIR\5Cimages\5Crogues\5C%_filename\22)%-\0D\0A`<>`1`:`%-\0D\0A\20ERROR!\20File\20not\20downloaded!\0D\0A`:`%XMP_FileAddLn(\27%_roguesmsl\27,%-\0D\0A\27Smiley\20\3D\20\22.\5Crogues\5C%_filename\22,\200,\20\22%_rogue\22\27)`%-\0D\0A#:#%-\0D\0AError!\20%_rogue\20has\20no\20picture\20on\20server.\0D\0A#%XMP_FileDel(\22%XMP_TempDir%-rogue\22)%-\0D\0A~%-
M> IsContinue
M> IsActive
M> IsCheckRule
M> Ignore
M> Hotkey 24658
M> endFilter
M>  
M>  
M> The file "The_Bat!_roguesfiltr.log" contains mainly entries like- 

M> 07 June 2020 12:44
M> Error!  has no picture on server. 


M> Is it time, after nearly 16 years, to retire my "X-Rogue" header?
M> 

FWIW, the link you posted takes me to the PCWIZE.COM WELCOME screen.

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Are Roguemoticons still active?

[MFPA]

Hi,

Are Roguemoticons still active?

I still have the rogues.msl file and the Rogues images folder in place 
under Program Files\The Bat!\Images. But I don't see the images any 
more in the message header when viewing messages, apart from a few 
people for whom I have a photo in an address book entry. 

I have not received any email notifications that "Someone new has
joined or updated their image on Roguemoticons" since November 2013. I 
just tried logging on at http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/ and it told 
me:-

 Internal Server Error

 The server encountered an internal error or misconfiguration and
 was unable to complete your request.

 Please contact the server administrator, and inform them of the
 time the error occurred, and anything you might have done that
 may have caused the error.

 More information about this error may be available in the server
 error log.
 
I also have an incoming message filter called catch_rogue that I 
vaguely recall was something to do with picking up Roguemoticons that 
were not already on my machine. 

 TB! Message Filter 
beginFilter
UID: [02B2FF90.01CEE96F.230962BE.141169BB]
Name: catch_rogue
Filter: {\0D\0A\20`7`X-Rogue`5`.\0D\0A}
ExportMessage FmtText filename 
I:\5CThe\20Bat!\5CProtocol_Logging\5CThe_Bat!_roguesfiltr.log filenamerelative 
%WDIR%\5CProtocol_Logging\5CThe_Bat!_roguesfiltr.log template 
%_rogue\3D\22%OHEADER(X-Rogue)\22%-\0D\0A%_roguesmsl\3D\22%PROGRAMDIR\5Cimages\5Crogues.msl\22%-\0D\0A%_allrogues\3D\22%PUT\3D\27%_roguesmsl\27\22%-\0D\0A%IF:~%SETPATTREGEXP\3D\22%_rogue\22%-\0D\0A%REGEXPMATCH(%_allrogues)~\3D~~:~\0D\0A%DATE\20%TIME\0D\0A%XMP_UrlDldFile(\22http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/getrogue.php?id\3D%_rogue\22,%-\0D\0A\22%XMP_TempDir%-rogue\22)%-\0D\0A%_path\3D\22%SETPATTREGEXP\3D\27URL\5C:\5Cs(.*?)[\5Cs\5Cn]\27%REGEXPMATCH\3D\27%PUT\3D`%XMP_TempDir%-rogue`\27\22%-\0D\0A%_filename\3D\22%SETPATTREGEXP\3D\27.*\5C/(.*?)$\27%REGEXPMATCH(%_path)\22%-\0D\0A%IF:#%_path#<>##:#\0D\0A%_path\0D\0A%_filename\0D\0A%IF:`%XMP_UrlDldFile(\22%_path\22,%-\0D\0A\22%PROGRAMDIR\5Cimages\5Crogues\5C%_filename\22)%-\0D\0A`<>`1`:`%-\0D\0A\20ERROR!\20File\20not\20downloaded!\0D\0A`:`%XMP_FileAddLn(\27%_roguesmsl\27,%-\0D\0A\27Smiley\20\3D\20\22.\5Crogues\5C%_filename\22,\200,\20\22%_rogue\22\27)`%-\0D\0A#:#%-\0D\0AError!\20%_rogue\20has\20no\20picture\20on\20server.\0D\0A#%XMP_FileDel(\22%XMP_TempDir%-rogue\22)%-\0D\0A~%-
IsContinue
IsActive
IsCheckRule
Ignore
Hotkey 24658
endFilter
 
 
The file "The_Bat!_roguesfiltr.log" contains mainly entries like- 

07 June 2020 12:44
Error!  has no picture on server. 


Is it time, after nearly 16 years, to retire my "X-Rogue" header?

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