Re[2]: SOT AltGr - was Re: TB as a full featured text editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hey Thomas, Saturday, January 08, 2000, 6:02:00 AM, you wrote: TF Funny thing thoug, the Euro also displays correctly on incoming mail, TF while the Pound only displays correctly when I actually type it. IOW, TF in your mail, I can see the Euro correctly, but the Pound is just a TF blank. Even in your line above. When I type it (alt-128), it displays TF correctly. No such problem with the Euro, which always displays TF correctly. I don't understand that. Me neither... The mysteries of different character sets are not for me to explore - let's all use Unicode, makes it easier on the lot of us! ;] - -- L8r! Carstenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Today's hidden secret: ~~ Our experienced Mom will care of your child. Fenced yard, meals, and smacks included. ** Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on an Athlon 500 MHz, 256 MB RAM, 10 GB U2W HDD, TNT2U ** -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOHcclrfqRmh+VoydEQIMtACghHpTjmmBsRDl/YSUaqdHUc3nonIAoJW8 ttLHtutVgjcSMeoJ8KNGZvsf =I3ZX -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: SOT AltGr - was Re: TB as a full featured text editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hey Leif, Friday, January 07, 2000, 3:21:14 AM, you wrote: LG Ok, ok, I've had it!!! grin LG I've never heard of an AltGr key before in my life until about two LG weeks ago when I got my new (English) laptop and low and behold, there LG is an AltGr key on it. LG What is it for? It seems to function just like the ALT key on the left LG of my spacebar. Well, actually it selects some special third characters on some of the keys (in Germany it's AltGr-ß for the backslash, for example (ß is right next to 0 on the German keyboard). I dunno if the English one has one as well - but maybe the Euro symbol is on an AltGr-ed key... - -- L8r! Carstenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Today's hidden secret: ~~ It's redundant! It's redundant! - - R. E. Dundant ** Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on an Athlon 500 MHz, 256 MB RAM, 10 GB U2W HDD, TNT2U ** -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOHWQg7fqRmh+VoydEQIbMQCfdoW3o5TUFUZNnWkz5un5v5aCZtkAoPnU MFec9eEsEHD+YeRVUyiA9sLY =Y5vv -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: SOT AltGr - was Re: TB as a full featured text editor
Hi Marck, On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 09:20:00 +GMT (07/01/2000, 17:20 +0800GMT), Marck D. Pearlstone wrote: MDP It is - as AltGr+$ ... look: '' ... but why isn't it AltGr-3 as an I want this!!! Where do I find the Euro symbol on a US keyboard? (And, by the way, the Pound symbol?). -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.38e under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: SOT AltGr - was Re: TB as a full featured text editor
Hello Thomas, Friday, January 07, 2000, 10:30:54 AM, you wrote: MDP It is - as AltGr+$ ... look: '' ... but why isn't it AltGr-3 as an TF I want this!!! Where do I find the Euro symbol on a US keyboard? (And, TF by the way, the Pound symbol?). *grin* Simple, but mean, answer: you DON'T! ;] I don't even have the Pound symbol on my German keyboard - you have to live without both, I'm afraid... Best thing you can do is get yourself some sort of keyboard macro util and set up a shortcut for it, like Ctrl-Alt-E, or something like that. -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *---* Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5 on a PII/233, 96 MB RAM, 4 GB HDD *---* -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: SOT AltGr - was Re: TB as a full featured text editor
Hallo Carsten, On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 12:04:46 +0100 GMT (07.01.2000, 19:04 +0800 GMT), Carsten Dreesbach wrote: MDP It is - as AltGr+$ ... look: '' ... but why isn't it AltGr-3 as an TF I want this!!! Where do I find the Euro symbol on a US keyboard? (And, TF by the way, the Pound symbol?). CD *grin* Simple, but mean, answer: you DON'T! ;] I don't even have the CD Pound symbol on my German keyboard - you have to live without both, CD I'm afraid... Best thing you can do is get yourself some sort of CD keyboard macro util and set up a shortcut for it, like Ctrl-Alt-E, or CD something like that. What's the ASCII code? My ASCII tables are knd of old - the Euro symbol hadn't been invented yet. And I'm too lazy to make a new one by typing it all out. TIA. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.38e under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: SOT AltGr - was Re: TB as a full featured text editor
Hello Thomas, Friday, January 07, 2000, 2:50:42 PM, you wrote: TF Hallo Carsten, TF On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 12:04:46 +0100 GMT (07.01.2000, 19:04 +0800 GMT), TF Carsten Dreesbach wrote: MDP It is - as AltGr+$ ... look: '' ... but why isn't it AltGr-3 as an TF I want this!!! Where do I find the Euro symbol on a US keyboard? (And, TF by the way, the Pound symbol?). CD *grin* Simple, but mean, answer: you DON'T! ;] I don't even have the CD Pound symbol on my German keyboard - you have to live without both, CD I'm afraid... Best thing you can do is get yourself some sort of CD keyboard macro util and set up a shortcut for it, like Ctrl-Alt-E, or CD something like that. TF What's the ASCII code? My ASCII tables are knd of old - the Euro TF symbol hadn't been invented yet. And I'm too lazy to make a new one by TF typing it all out. TIA. It's not _in_ ASCII, it _is_, however, in ANSI - the character set Windows uses. Just load the symbol table in Accessories and you should be able to find it. In case you don't have that installed, it's 128 for (that's the Euro, in case your font doesn't have it... ;] ) and 163 for £ (Pound). -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *---* Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5 on a PII/233, 96 MB RAM, 4 GB HDD *---* -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: SOT AltGr - was Re: TB as a full featured text editor
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 11:21:14 +0900, Leif Gregory wrote: I've never heard of an AltGr key before in my life until about two weeks ago when I got my new (English) laptop and low and behold, there is an AltGr key on it. What is it for? It seems to function just like the ALT key on the left of my spacebar. I wonder if your keyboard driver really supports AltGr. AltGr is basically a shortcut for Ctrl-Alt and is pretty different from Alt alone. On my keyboard (Swiss German) all the Alt-Something shortcuts don't work with AltGr (except Ctrl-AltGr-Del). If AltGr alone highlights the menu bar it is a plain Alt... The character for the AltGr level is usually printed in the lower right corner of a key. A short sketch of the keys '3' and '4' on my keyboard where AltGr-3 is '#' and AltGr-4 is not defined: +---+ +---+ |* | |ç | |3 #| |4 | +---+ +---+ HTH Peter -- Peter Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]PGP-ID 0x02850F53 (DH/DSS) PGP Fingerprint 68AB D08E D995 41B4 C6FD 639D 9B94 D249 0285 0F53 "Du weisch doch, das me n imene Totemügerli nid darf nei säge!" - Franz Hohler -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: SOT AltGr - was Re: TB as a full featured text editor
On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 12:04:46 +0100, Carsten Dreesbach wrote: I don't even have the Pound symbol on my German keyboard Strange - I always thought £ was Shift-4 on german keyboards... Regards Peter -- Peter Steiner [EMAIL PROTECTED]PGP-ID 0x02850F53 (DH/DSS) PGP Fingerprint 68AB D08E D995 41B4 C6FD 639D 9B94 D249 0285 0F53 "Uuuh, isch das e botterepfloorigi Schtrüpfete gsi! Die zwee hei gschwouderet u ghetzpacheret, das si z näbis meh gwüsst hei, wo se der Gürchu zwurglet." - Franz Hohler -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: SOT AltGr - was Re: TB as a full featured text editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hey Peter, Friday, January 07, 2000, 6:01:41 PM, you wrote: I don't even have the Pound symbol on my German keyboard PS Strange - I always thought £ was Shift-4 on german keyboards... Nope, that's $. - -- L8r! Carstenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Today's hidden secret: ~~ As of next week, passwords will be entered in Morse code. ** Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on an Athlon 500 MHz, 256 MB RAM, 10 GB U2W HDD, TNT2U ** -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOHYkMrfqRmh+VoydEQLaUgCfV63zBmiDbFbJMOP+jWswg65RNVkAniZ+ f2wmpVKatZhn+QYLeNJNRHlz =cOze -END PGP SIGNATURE-
Re: SOT AltGr - was Re: TB as a full featured text editor
Hallo Carsten, On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 16:24:38 +0100 GMT (07.01.2000, 23:24 +0800 GMT), Carsten Dreesbach wrote: CD It's not _in_ ASCII, it _is_, however, in ANSI - the character set CD Windows uses. Just load the symbol table in Accessories and you should CD be able to find it. In case you don't have that installed, it's 128 CD for (that's the Euro, in case your font doesn't have it... ;] ) It does, and here it is: Thomas proudly displays currency symbols: CD and 163 for £ (Pound). And here it is: £ Tara Funny thing thoug, the Euro also displays correctly on incoming mail, while the Pound only displays correctly when I actually type it. IOW, in your mail, I can see the Euro correctly, but the Pound is just a blank. Even in your line above. When I type it (alt-128), it displays correctly. No such problem with the Euro, which always displays correctly. I don't understand that. -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.38e under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: SOT AltGr - was Re: TB as a full featured text editor
Hallo Peter, On Fri, 7 Jan 2000 17:59:59 +0100 GMT (08.01.2000, 00:59 +0800 GMT), Peter Steiner wrote: PS I could mail you a table with the basic differences; with the Swiss PS German keyboard you have almost all characters at hand: äöüÄÖÜ, PS àéèÀÉÈç, (Euro) and £. The german keyboard lacks the French PS symbols but has other goodies like ß (which is not used in PS Switzerland) All the above special characters, except the Euro and the Pound, displayed as Chinese characters in my screen. This has to do with C-Win overriding TB's translation tables. So a German keyboard won't make sense if I can't read what I write! ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Message reply created with The Bat! 1.38e under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 using an Intel Celeron 366 Mhz, 128MB RAM -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
TB as a full featured text editor
Fellow TBUDL members, On opening TB one day, TB's tip claimed that when composing a message, ctrl+[ made a word upper case, ctrl+] made a word lower case and ctrl+/ made a word lower case with an upper case first letter. So today I tried it. Unfortunately, all I get is that ctrl+] made a word lower case with an upper case first letter (note that this is *not* the key combination that the tip said does this), while the other two key combination produce results that just sit there looking back on me, without change. Also, this feature has to be used word by word. What Gives? (I just used the one that does work on gives). I'm running TB v 1.38e. Douglas Hinds -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re: TB as a full featured text editor
Hello Douglas, Thursday, January 06, 2000, 11:51:51 AM, you wrote: DH Fellow TBUDL members, DH On opening TB one day, TB's tip claimed that when composing a message, DH ctrl+[ made a word upper case, ctrl+] made a word lower case and DH ctrl+/ made a word lower case with an upper case first letter. [snip] DH What Gives? (I just used the one that does work on gives). I'm running DH TB v 1.38e. It's even worse when you use a German keyboard - all those characters are either on a Shift-ed or AltGr-ed key, which means none of the combinations work! :( This is a problem with a lot of apps, actually... -- Best regards, Carstenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] *---* Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 5 on a PII/233, 96 MB RAM, 4 GB HDD *---* -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: TB as a full featured text editor
Hello Oleg all fellow TBUDL members, Thursday, January 06, 2000, 5:21:36 AM, Oleg wrote in response to my saying: DH all I get is that ctrl+] made a word lower case with an upper DH case first letter (note that this is *not* the key combination DH that the tip said does this), while the other two key combination DH produce results ... without change. Also, this feature has to be DH used word by word. OZ What is your Windows version? Old (win95 40a). I have new ones on hand but need the machine working. OZ I mean language. Spanish keyboard, Spanish OS with a few English updates thrown in. (That's supposed to be bad, but my system is more stable than before). OZ It looks like the keyboard shortcuts works in different way in OZ localized versions. Similar german keyboard problem was discussed OZ here not far ago. That makes sense. I am going to have try ctrl+each key. It still would be nice to be able to convert blocks of text, and just a word at a time. BTW, when my word processor converts converts upper case to lower or vice versa, if I copy it to say an email program you lose the new formatting - i.e., the effect is just visual, rather than a change at bottom. What TB changes is really changed and it copies as such. Douglas -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
Re[2]: TB as a full featured text editor
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hey Jast, Thursday, January 06, 2000, 8:00:01 PM, you wrote: J Actually, the key-combos do work. They are just not well-documented. J If you know the position on a US-keyboard, it's probably similar on J a German KB (not the same though :-/) J Here are some: J standard German J Ctrl-[ Ctrl-ß J Ctrl-] Ctrl-´ J Ctrl-/ Ctrl-# J If you know about one key-combo, try around a little and you're bound J to find the German (or any other international version) of it. The J Ctrl/Shift/Alt keys are always the same (except that you can use J AltGr for Ctrl-Alt optionally) Coolness! Thanks for that truly useful tip - I guess it works in other programs as well! ;] - -- L8r! Carstenmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Today's hidden secret: ~~ Experience is the worst teacher. It always gives the test first and the instruction afterward. ** Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on an Athlon 500 MHz, 256 MB RAM, 10 GB U2W HDD, TNT2U ** -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBOHUdIbfqRmh+VoydEQL3agCgsTDZ2Z7akHqJEzGSfOwvH22nzAAAoJTA 2+yc2XYWlv4a0YOdou96FY5N =U4sT -END PGP SIGNATURE-
SOT AltGr - was Re: TB as a full featured text editor
Hello Jast, On Thu, 6 Jan 2000 at 20:00:01 [GMT +0100], you wrote: J (except that you can use AltGr for Ctrl-Alt optionally) Ok, ok, I've had it!!! grin I've never heard of an AltGr key before in my life until about two weeks ago when I got my new (English) laptop and low and behold, there is an AltGr key on it. What is it for? It seems to function just like the ALT key on the left of my spacebar. Leif Gregory -- TBUDL/TBBETA List Moderator ICQ 216395 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site http://www.pcwize.com TBUDL FAQ http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/faq.shtml PGP Key ID: 0x8604279A (DH/DSS) Fingerprint: 9E16 4316 FA42 5DC6 EB1D D0ED D37A 858A 8604 279A Using The Bat! 1.38e under Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium III 500 MHz notebook with 128MB. Tagline of the day: If what you don't know can't hurt you, she's practically invulnerable. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] --
