Re: coffee mugs in TB
ON Thursday, June 3, 2004, 3:50:22 PM, you wrote: AM (A) Good AM (B) Bad AM (C) Ugly MW TB! has some way to go... I can't see a single smiley in your last MW message. I'm sure there should be two. Hi Martin, It only works with non-capitalised letters like here: (a) Good (b) Bad (c) Ugly -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= On a recent survey, 80 percent of golfers admitted cheating. The other 20 percent lied. Using The Bat! v2.11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: coffee mugs in TB
Hello Gerard, On 04 June 2004, 08:52 +0200 (04/06/200407:52 local time) Gerard [G] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AM (A) Good AM (B) Bad AM (C) Ugly MW TB! has some way to go... I can't see a single smiley in your last MW message. I'm sure there should be two. G It only works with non-capitalised letters like here: G (a) Good G (b) Bad G (c) Ugly I don't think it's as simple as that... I've got no smilies in this thread at all now. Okay elsewhere. Also, if you look at the start of the thread mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] you'll see that Roman used (C) (c) and both of these were turned into smilies. Also, on another thread, I used (a) (b) etc. but in the reply some were changed to capitals. I think it's still a little buggy. I'm wondering if PGP sigs have something to do with it? -- As ever, Martin Webster Jabber mjw | ICQ 15893823 | PGP Key ID 0xD644460D The Bat! 2.11.02 | BayesIt! 0.5.5 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) pgpn6eUYXWDj9.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: coffee mugs in TB
Martin Webster, [MW] wrote: MW I don't think it's as simple as that... I've got no smilies in this MW thread at all now. This is because the pdsf.msl file has been altered with newer versions. The cup and beer icons are no longer triggered by (b) and (c). -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running The Bat! v2.11.02 on WinXP Pro (SP1) pgpCGo2PXFytd.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: coffee mugs in TB
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Allie, On 04 June 2004, 05:30 -0500 (04/06/200411:30 local time) Allie Martin [AM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MW I don't think it's as simple as that... I've got no smilies in this MW thread at all now. AM This is because the pdsf.msl file has been altered with newer AM versions. The cup and beer icons are no longer triggered by (b) and AM (c). That explains everything! :doh: - just a suggestion :-) - -- As ever, Martin Webster Jabber mjw | ICQ 15893823 | PGP Key ID 0xD644460D The Bat! 2.11.02 | BayesIt! 0.5.5 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: PGP Key available from ldap://europe.keys.pgp.com/:11370; iQA/AwUBQMBkJDknq5PWREYNEQJStQCgurD8CcQeiARzMFK11fN3TeqwpiYAoNpw lXwvfeR/yttZMjpRlpi6j5N+ =kbJ8 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: coffee mugs in TB
Hello Martin, Friday, June 4, 2004, 5:59:26 AM, you wrote: Martin That explains everything! :doh: - just a suggestion :-) We need a homer icon now! grin -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Tagline of the day: Cholesterol: The stuff in food that makes it taste good. Using The Bat! 2.11.02 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: coffee mugs in TB
Friday, June 4, 2004, 10:13:03 AM, Leif Gregory wrote: LG Hello Martin, LG Friday, June 4, 2004, 5:59:26 AM, you wrote: Martin That explains everything! :doh: - just a suggestion :-) LG We need a homer icon now! grin And a :donut: Mmmm :donut: -- Regards, Plan9 Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: coffee mugs in TB
On Thursday, June 3, 2004, 03:23:09, Mark Partous wrote: First of all, while reading this message, right click on the body (the text part) of this message. Click on Smileys, to toggle them off. [...] Mark and all the others, thanks for the kind help and the many replies! Roman -- Meteorologist, n.: A man who can look into a girls eyes and predict whether. Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: coffee mugs in TB
Hello Roman, Thursday, June 3, 2004, 4:21:29 AM, you wrote: RK Ok, either I'm seeing things or TB 2.11 displays coffee mugs instead of RK ( c ) and( C ) (without the extra spaces). RK At least mine seems to do so. How about yours? (C) (c) First of all, while reading this message, right click on the body (the text part) of this message. Click on Smileys, to toggle them off. Now you no longer see mugs, do you? Open the file pdfs.msl in Program Files\The Bat\Images\ directory Change the line Smiley = .\coffee.gif, 0, (C) (c) :coffee:, coffee to Smiley = .\coffee.gif, 0, :coffee:, coffee and they will be gone. You will now only see coffee mugs if someone puts the word coffee in a text and puts them between two colons. As you can see here: :coffee: Don't see it? Toggle Smileys on! -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 2.11 Current version is 2.11.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: coffee mugs in TB
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Ian, On 03 June 2004, 12:30 +1000 (03/06/200403:30 local time) Ian A. White [IAW] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RK Ok, either I'm seeing things or TB 2.11 displays coffee mugs instead of RK ( c ) and( C ) (without the extra spaces). RK At least mine seems to do so. How about yours? (C) (c) IAW I don't simply because I have changed the smiley definition to (C) IAW to avoid just that. There's little point doing that unless everyone adopts your definition... I think this is more about the choice of smiley in TB! Quite a few come from IM, which TB! is not. Perhaps there's no need for some of them? But then with the new Chat feature... Alternatively, the coffee cup could be :C: or :c: as well as :coffee:? I can see there being problems with ( b ), ( f ) etc. if lists are used in messages: (a) Item 1 (b) Item 2 (c) Item 3 ... (e) etc. I've copied this to TBBETA as I think this discussion will continue when the next beta is released. - -- As ever, Martin Webster Jabber mjw | ICQ 15893823 | PGP Key ID 0xD644460D The Bat! 2.11 | BayesIt! 0.5.5 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: PGP Key available from ldap://europe.keys.pgp.com/:11370; iQA/AwUBQL8IhDknq5PWREYNEQIlnQCcDxjpL/92OY3FTNx3dLeDquprk60AoLze eZ7DnHQJ34Z+ivwkjCZKitBU =xSTV -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: coffee mugs in TB
Ian A. White wrote: Really, anything that is not supposed to be displayed as normal text should have some lead-in and lead-out character sequences to make sure that it cannot be misinterpreted. I suppose this is a case of something evolving without too much thought. It would seem that in the context of live online chats, it's unlikely that one will type something ambiguous and this is probably why these raw text representations have survived. A good example is the list: (A) Good (B) Bad (C) Ugly Not many in a chat setting will prepare such a list, so the problem with the coffee and the beer cups appearing when then shouldn't, doesn't arise. However, with e-mail, these misinterpretations are occurring a lot easier. A classic example of how one implementation doesn't work as well in another setting. Now maybe those who do not want controls will see the need for there to be some sort of formal way of doing things. Without protocols we get what we are seeing. Agreed. -- -=[ Allie ]=- (List Moderator and fellow end-user) PGPKeys: http://key.ac-martin.com Running ThunderBird v0.6 on XP Pro SP1 signature.asc Description: OpenPGP digital signature Current version is 2.11.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: coffee mugs in TB
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Allie, On 03 June 2004, 07:52 -0500 (13:52 local time) Allie Martin [AM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AM (A) Good AM (B) Bad AM (C) Ugly TB! has some way to go... I can't see a single smiley in your last message. I'm sure there should be two. ...snip Now maybe those who do not want controls will see the need for there to be some sort of formal way of doing things. Without protocols we get what we are seeing. AM Agreed. I agree. Moreover, are we simply replacing the common smiley with a new emoticon or adding a whole load of new IM gimmicks? I can't recall ever seeing (or needing) the IM style emoticons in a mail message. (brb) (T) - -- As ever, Martin Webster Jabber mjw | ICQ 15893823 | PGP Key ID 0xD644460D The Bat! 2.11 | BayesIt! 0.5.5 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: PGP Key available from ldap://europe.keys.pgp.com/:11370; iQA/AwUBQL8sojknq5PWREYNEQJpegCeM5+9GJzaryw37WjcTcF6xSRAlcMAoPNA K5oKVxREpXVP9ddjD9NelgHj =Ieg4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: coffee mugs in TB
Hello Roman, Wednesday, June 2, 2004, 10:21:29 PM, you wrote: RK Ok, either I'm seeing things or TB 2.11 displays coffee mugs instead of RK ( c ) and( C ) (without the extra spaces). RK At least mine seems to do so. How about yours? (C) (c) snip I think you will not see them unless you send html messages -- Best regards, dangermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: coffee mugs in TB
Hello DanG, Wednesday, June 2, 2004, 11:02:17 PM, you wrote: DanG Go figure. DanG It's in the smiley dictionary Leif distributed to TBBeta DanG (mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) DanG Don't know if he's put it here but now that smilies are DanG mainstream with 2.11, it might be good to have. Don't look at me! I didn't set the handles, I just used what was there! grin -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Tagline of the day: My message above. Your response here . Using The Bat! 2.11 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.11.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: coffee mugs in TB
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello danger, On 03 June 2004, 10:57 -0400 (03/06/200415:57 local time) danger [D] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RK Ok, either I'm seeing things or TB 2.11 displays coffee mugs instead of RK ( c ) and( C ) (without the extra spaces). RK At least mine seems to do so. How about yours? (C) (c) D I think you will not see them unless you send html messages The images aren't present in the message. TB! converts certain text sequences into an emoticon; e.g. :-) : - ), (c) ( c ) etc. Thus, it works for plain text messages too. - -- As ever, Martin Webster Jabber mjw | ICQ 15893823 | PGP Key ID 0xD644460D The Bat! 2.11 | BayesIt! 0.5.5 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: PGP Key available from ldap://europe.keys.pgp.com/:11370; iQA/AwUBQL8/IDknq5PWREYNEQLOUQCg1YmChbPan3qDqY9h+YxJhGUfnb4AnRVl JaFFEiOnQtIU7FJ79VRDkLOB =TqCr -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: coffee mugs in TB
Hi danger, on Thu, 3 Jun 2004 10:57:42 -0400GMT, you wrote: d I think you will not see them unless you send html messages It suffices to use RTV for reading (and have smilies enabled of course). -- Cheers Peter If you ate pasta and antipasta, would you still be hungry? Current version is 2.11.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: coffee mugs in TB
On 6/3/04, at 10:23 AM, Martin Webster sent the following: MW The images aren't present in the message. TB! converts certain text MW sequences into an emoticon; e.g. :-) : - ), (c) ( c ) etc. Thus, it works MW for plain text messages too. That part I understand but the part I don't understand is that they don't seem to show up on this list on my system. -- Thanks to one and all Jimmie Nothing is permanent except change. Using The Bat! 2.11 under BayesIt! 0.5.5, Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium 133 with 128MB. Current version is 2.11.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: coffee mugs in TB
Hello Jimmie, Thursday, June 3, 2004, 9:24:34 AM, you wrote: Jimmie That part I understand but the part I don't understand is that Jimmie they don't seem to show up on this list on my system. So far, we've discovered that the most common cause for this is the shortcut people are using to launch TB... Check your shortcut (whichever is being used to launch TB) and make sure the path to the TB folder is in the Start in box. If it's not there, TB won't show you any emoticons. The next is to check Options / Preferences / Viewer and make sure the box to enable smileys is checked. You will have to restart TB. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Tagline of the day: Shoes are required to eat in the Dining Room. Socks can eat anywhere. Using The Bat! 2.11 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.11.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: coffee mugs in TB
On 6/3/04, at 10:42 AM, Leif Gregory sent the following: LG Hello Jimmie, LG Thursday, June 3, 2004, 9:24:34 AM, you wrote: Jimmie That part I understand but the part I don't understand is that Jimmie they don't seem to show up on this list on my system. LG So far, we've discovered that the most common cause for this is the LG shortcut people are using to launch TB... I have checked all that you suggested and still have a slight problem. I am on three TB list, of the three only one the anything goes list shows the icons. The other two do not and when I right click is grayed out so the option is not available. Should I maybe take this over to the beta list? -- Thanks to one and all Jimmie Life isn't about finding yourself. Life is about creating yourself. (George Bernard Shaw) Using The Bat! 2.11 under BayesIt! 0.5.5, Windows 98 4.10 Build A on a Pentium 133 with 128MB. Current version is 2.11.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: coffee mugs in TB
Hello Jimmie, Thursday, June 3, 2004, 9:46:49 AM, you wrote: Jimmie I have checked all that you suggested and still have a slight Jimmie problem. I am on three TB list, of the three only one the Jimmie anything goes list shows the icons. The other two do not and Jimmie when I right click is grayed out so the option is not Jimmie available. Hmmm. If it shows up on one list, it should show up on all. How about if you send yourself a test message with emoticons?? -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Tagline of the day: Plan to be spontaneous tomorrow. Using The Bat! 2.11 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.11.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: coffee mugs in TB
Hello danger, Thursday, June 3, 2004, 9:43:53 AM, you wrote: danger Leif only works for me in html all options are correct you danger mentioned You do need to use the RTV/HTML viewer under Options / Preferences / Viewer-Editor. If you use just the plaintext to view messages, you won't see them. -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Tagline of the day: Semper Fi, dude. Using The Bat! 2.11 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.11.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: coffee mugs in TB
Hello Leif, Thursday, June 3, 2004, 12:01:14 PM, you wrote: LG Hello danger, LG You do need to use the RTV/HTML viewer under Options / Preferences / LG Viewer-Editor. LG If you use just the plaintext to view messages, you won't see them. SNIP OMG it works! -- Best regards, dangermailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Current version is 2.11.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: coffee mugs in TB
Hello danger, Thursday, June 3, 2004, 10:08:30 AM, you wrote: danger SNIP danger OMG it works! Positively SPOOFY ;-) -- Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user). Tagline of the day: Sometimes when it's quiet, I can hear my brain cells die. Using The Bat! 2.11 under Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 on a Pentium 4 2GHz with 512MB Current version is 2.11.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: coffee mugs in TB
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Leif, On 03 June 2004, 10:11 -0600 (03/06/200417:11 local time) Leif Gregory [LG] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: danger SNIP danger OMG it works! Gregory Positively SPOOFY ;-) There's definitely something wrong... In Leif's message I see two emoticons: OMG and ;-) But in Danger's message I don't see any. The same happened with a message from Allie: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (TBBETA) until I restarted TB! I restart now and see if things change. PS. What's up with my quotes? Second thoughts I'll start a new thread... - -- As ever, Martin Webster Jabber mjw | ICQ 15893823 | PGP Key ID 0xD644460D The Bat! 2.11 | BayesIt! 0.5.5 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: PGP Key available from ldap://europe.keys.pgp.com/:11370; iQA/AwUBQL9vQjknq5PWREYNEQLxjwCeMADBwE8P5nbsfyhcKdvOOhSI24MAn1qM p08SGMgNhgxRkZw7ao52soMZ =RR+G -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: coffee mugs in TB
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hello Martin, On 03 June 2004, 19:34 Martin Webster [MW] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MW But in Danger's message I don't see any. The same happened with a message MW from Allie: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] (TBBETA) MW until I restarted TB! I restart now and see if things change. Still no icons in Danger's message: - - Original Text - SNIP OMG it works! - - But okay for the rest of the thread. :-S - -- As ever, Martin Webster Jabber mjw | ICQ 15893823 | PGP Key ID 0xD644460D The Bat! 2.11 | BayesIt! 0.5.5 (Windows XP Professional Service Pack 1) -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP SDK 3.0.3 Comment: PGP Key available from ldap://europe.keys.pgp.com/:11370; iQA/AwUBQL9yNDknq5PWREYNEQJBgQCfeFt58Q6qk2GstVAP3LxIRr1CgQoAn1Gu YzFuqNvINx557SfIANnNuox+ =LMft -END PGP SIGNATURE- Current version is 2.11.02 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
coffee mugs in TB
Ok, either I'm seeing things or TB 2.11 displays coffee mugs instead of ( c ) and( C ) (without the extra spaces). At least mine seems to do so. How about yours? (C) (c) I have a picture to prove it: http://kawoserv.kawo2.rwth-aachen.de/~roman/pictures/tb_coffee_mug.png UltraEdit doesn't do it, so my TT font seems fine. Roman -- The clothes that make a woman are the clothes that break a man. Current version is 2.11.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: coffee mugs in TB
Hello Ian, On Wednesday, June 2, 2004, 22:30:31, Ian A. White wrote: I don't simply because I have changed the smiley definition to (C) to avoid just that. Emmm. Smiley definitions? Where would I find those? Roman -- Without computers, it would be virtually impossible for us to accomploiwur xow;gkc,mf(*( -- Dave Barry Current version is 2.11.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: coffee mugs in TB
On Thu 3 June 2004, 13:37:45 +1000, Roman Katzer wrote: Emmm. Smiley definitions? Where would I find those? In the file C:\Program Files\The Bat!\Images\pdsf.msl (adjust this if you have installed the software in a non-standard location). Edit it with a text editor. -- Robin Anson Using The Bat! v2.11 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.11.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: coffee mugs in TB
Message received at: 6/2/2004:10:21 PM RK Ok, either I'm seeing things or TB 2.11 displays coffee mugs RK instead of ( c ) and( C ) (without the extra spaces). Mine only does it with the capital: (c) (C) ( C ) Go figure. It's in the smiley dictionary Leif distributed to TBBeta (mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]) Don't know if he's put it here but now that smilies are mainstream with 2.11, it might be good to have. -- DanG 'When I use a word,' Humpty Dumpty said, in rather a scornful tone, `it means just what I choose it to mean -- neither more nor less.' (dropped by The Bat, version 2.11 RC/1) Current version is 2.11.00 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
