Re: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

2005-02-26 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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 ~( __ _o   Was another beautiful day, Sat, 26 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 00:38:01 +, when MFPA wrote:

 I remember somebody who said only email me with this exact subject
 line, or your messages will be junked by my spam filters. Mind, he
 hosted a software download site and provided email support.

Well yes, this is particularly useful for webmasters, and this part I
didn't discuss with Richard since he has no any address used this way.

It's just enough to write a short warning on the place the mailto link
is set, and to use a form like this:
mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and then you filter both against
subject and address, or just against subject. If needed might be added
body part as well.

I see also that newsletter senders are all the more aware of the SPAM
problem, and that they are reminding a new subscriber to put the
newsletter address (or some special piece of code from their headers) on
the 'white list'.

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Re: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

2005-02-25 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Richard,

On Fri, 25 Feb 2005 05:55:16 +0500GMT (25-2-2005, 1:55 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

MM This way you practically can filter everything using just Selective
MM Download filters.

RHS In the beginning, I'll just filter those that don't pass to a junk
RHS folder I can check periodically. Some of my friends are slow learners.
RHS :-)

You could send them a message automatically. Since they're friends of
yours you'll probably have have them in your address book (AB) or maybe
even in an AB group.
So the only thing you need to do is to create a filter that checks for
an incorrect To: header and whether the sender is in your AB/AB-group.
As action you send a reply that tells the sender of the opriginal
message that the message hasn't been read, since it triggered your
spam filter.
Of course you don't move the message to your junk folder, but to a
semi junk folder, so that you know that messages in that folder are
more impoortant than real junk...

-- 
Groetjes, Roelof

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Re: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

2005-02-25 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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   ***^\ ._)~~
 ~( __ _o   Was another beautiful day, Fri, 25 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 05:55:16 +0500, when Richard H. Stoddard wrote:

 For some reason I was assuming it would be more complicated than it
 turned out to be. I guess that's because I usually read e-mail in the
 morning while drinking my first cups of coffee.

(-: With or without the coffee, it indeed looks more complicated than it
is, and it was the reason why I condensed it for my self: filter against
what you accept, don't bother with what you do not.


 In the beginning, I'll just filter those that don't pass to a junk
 folder I can check periodically. Some of my friends are slow learners.
 :-)

Many combinations are possible. Roelof gave some of them.

Anyway, the result is cute: zero SPAM on this side of Internet.

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Re: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

2005-02-25 Thread MFPA

Hi

On Friday 25 February 2005 at 9:56:40 PM, in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Mica Mijatovic wrote:

 For some reason I was assuming it would be more complicated than it
 turned out to be. I guess that's because I usually read e-mail in the
 morning while drinking my first cups of coffee.

 (-: With or without the coffee, it indeed looks more complicated than it
 is, and it was the reason why I condensed it for my self: filter against
 what you accept, don't bother with what you do not.

I remember somebody who said only email me with this exact
subject line, or your messages will be junked by my spam filters.
Mind, he hosted a software download site and provided email
support.

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Re: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

2005-02-24 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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 ~( __ _o   Was another beautiful day, Tue, 22 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 06:16:14 +0500, when Richard H. Stoddard wrote:

MM Okay then, less problems to solve. Tell me, do you have some
MM friends, or business partners who do not address you properly,
MM namely not using your full name (or a screen/nick name defined by
MM yourself) in TO (or CC) field, but using only the address of yours?

 I assume I'm like most folks: I have my friends and others in my
 address book and flagged so they go to the known folder; I have
 white-listed mailing lists like TBUDL; but I do receive mail that is not
 spam from others who are not in my book but whom I know or were
 referred to me by friends. My friends use all sorts of nicknames for
 me, including only the address; I can try to train them, but
 will have to deal with the third on a case-by-case basis.

Pardon my pause, Richard, I had to interrupt for a...moment.

OK, actually you would have to train a bit your friends then, and to
tell them (if they already do not do so) to use only (nick)names you use
in your FROM and REPLY-TO fields.

When they are giving your address to third parties, they would have,
of course, to use those very same forms.

Then you simply put all those forms of addressing on a white list too,
and that's it. Nothing which is not addressed this way can pass in.

This part, with friends, is, potentially, 'hardest' one, although it is
not very hard. My experiences are that my friends/correspondents pretty
easily accept and understand why I do so, and often they themselves
start to practise similar method. Some of them initially mumble but they
shortly after accept it too. You, therefore, have to train them, your
friends, and they will train all others. (-: So, there is no need for
dealing with the third on a case-by-case basis.

So you actually have 2 groups here: messages addressed to you personally
and those coming to/from various lists, addressed to these lists.

If you receive some newsletters then you add them too.

~~~
It's only important that no message arrives *only* to your plain
address (since this is form which spammers use; and sometimes adding a
'random' faked nick name, or name).
~~~

This way you practically can filter everything using just Selective
Download filters.

There is no 'fear' of losing some 'important' mail this way, since if
someone wants to contact you, for enough serious reasons, s/he will
definitely take care about way s/he is addressing you.

Even if something like that happens, and some letter is deleted due to
lack of the proper addressing, you may see info of that message in LOG
(Ctrl+Shift+A) and to inform the sender how to resend the message.

If I wasn't clear enough, ask me. (-:

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Re[2]: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

2005-02-24 Thread Richard H. Stoddard
Mica,

Thursday, February 24, 2005, 9:16:11 PM, you wrote:

MM OK, actually you would have to train a bit your friends then, and to
MM tell them (if they already do not do so) to use only (nick)names you use
MM in your FROM and REPLY-TO fields.

For some reason I was assuming it would be more complicated than it
turned out to be. I guess that's because I usually read e-mail in the
morning while drinking my first cups of coffee.

It'll take my friends and others awhile to get used to using a particular 
address
form, but I'll give it a try.

MM This way you practically can filter everything using just Selective
MM Download filters.

In the beginning, I'll just filter those that don't pass to a junk
folder I can check periodically. Some of my friends are slow learners.
:-)

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Re: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

2005-02-21 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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   ***^\ ._)~~
 ~( __ _o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 21 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 08:20:20 +0500, when Richard H. Stoddard wrote:

 Mica,

 Monday, February 21, 2005, 12:41:17 AM, you wrote:

MM Okay. Tell me first do you as well have your address on some of web
MM sites of yours, and if you do, in what form you have it exposed there?
MM Namely, what exactly mailto:; code/form you use?

 No, I don't have it on any public web sites. I don't have any mail to
 code. I have three addresses, but most of the spam comes to only one of
 them.

Okay then, less problems to solve. Tell me, do you have some friends, or
business partners who do not address you properly, namely not using your
full name (or a screen/nick name defined by yourself) in TO (or CC)
field, but using only the address of yours?

If yes, we'll tighten/tweak them a bit.

Let's work with this address you say most of spam is coming to (so we
can see the results better, and quicker).

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Re[2]: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

2005-02-21 Thread Richard H. Stoddard
Mica,

Monday, February 21, 2005, 5:39:50 PM, you wrote:

MM Okay then, less problems to solve. Tell me, do you have some friends, or
MM business partners who do not address you properly, namely not using your
MM full name (or a screen/nick name defined by yourself) in TO (or CC)
MM field, but using only the address of yours?

I assume I'm like most folks: I have my friends and others in my
address book and flagged so they go to the known folder; I have
white-listed mailing lists like TBUDL; but I do receive mail that is not
spam from others who are not in my book but whom I know or were
referred to me by friends. My friends use all sorts of nicknames for
me, including only the address; I can try to train them, but
will have to deal with the third on a case-by-case basis.

-- 
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Re: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

2005-02-20 Thread MAU
Hello Mica,

 I'll try to say this in other way... When you make a party, you do not
 have to check entire city to know who is *not* invited, in order to
 decide who of them will be passed in in your beautiful house; you pass
 just those with invitations of yours. (-: The fine people who address
 you properly.

If I come to your party without an invitation, would you let me in? ;-)

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Re: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

2005-02-20 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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   ***^\ ._)~~
 ~( __ _o   Was another beautiful day, Sun, 20 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 13:20:26 +0100, when MAU wrote:

 Hello Mica,

 I'll try to say this in other way... When you make a party, you do not
 have to check entire city to know who is *not* invited, in order to
 decide who of them will be passed in in your beautiful house; you pass
 just those with invitations of yours. (-: The fine people who address
 you properly.

 If I come to your party without an invitation, would you let me in? ;-)

Pay noble attention: The fine people who address you properly. (-:
This is the essential bit of the formula. We just have to define what is
*properly*. In this case, what is in my from and/or reply-to field,
is considered properly addressing.

Everything arriving using such form of addressing will be considered, by
default, as having invitation, and will be passed in.

So, as to my part of job, it is up on me to define a form of
addressing, and as to your part of job, it is up on you to use exactly
this form of addressing. And then you are in and the party goes. (-:

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Re: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

2005-02-20 Thread MAU
Hello Mica,

 So, as to my part of job, it is up on me to define a form of
 addressing, and as to your part of job, it is up on you to use exactly
 this form of addressing. And then you are in and the party goes. (-:

OK, understood. Hope you have enough beer ;-)

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Re: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

2005-02-20 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Mica Mijatovic  everyone else,

on 19-Feb-2005 at 23:28 you (Mica Mijatovic) wrote:

 Filter against what you *accept*/receive, not against what you do
 *not*. (-:

 Isn't that exactly what you do when you train a(ny) Bayes filter?

 I'll try to say this in other way... When you make a party, you do not
 have to check entire city to know who is *not* invited, in order to
 decide who of them will be passed in in your beautiful house; you pass
 just those with invitations of yours. (-: The fine people who address you
 properly.

I make a party all the time with my emails :) and all kind of people
(mails) come by. I classify the mails and tell them you may get in and
you may not get in. I don't worry about the whole city (world email
traffic) either, only about those people who get by and want to join the
party (mails that are somehow addressed directly to me). Whats so charming
is that my colleague the Bayes filter learns which mails I accept, and
which not, so I don't have to worry myself.

-- 
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Re: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

2005-02-20 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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   ***^\ ._)~~
 ~( __ _o   Was another beautiful day, Sun, 20 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 18:23:42 +0100, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

 I make a party all the time with my emails :) and all kind of people
 (mails) come by. I classify the mails and tell them you may get in
 and you may not get in. I don't worry about the whole city (world
 email traffic) either, only about those people who get by and want to
 join the party (mails that are somehow addressed directly to me).
 Whats so charming is that my colleague the Bayes filter learns which
 mails I accept, and which not, so I don't have to worry myself.

OK then, since I see you beam already enough pleasure, I guess it is not
needed for me to lead you gently to the core of this beauty, unknown
before, and to see your eyes admiring it. (-:

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Re: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

2005-02-20 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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   ***^\ ._)~~
 ~( __ _o   Was another beautiful day, Sun, 20 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 18:10:01 +0100, when MAU wrote:

 Hello Mica,

 So, as to my part of job, it is up on me to define a form of
 addressing, and as to your part of job, it is up on you to use
 exactly this form of addressing. And then you are in and the party
 goes. (-:

 OK, understood. Hope you have enough beer ;-)

The apple pie has gone, as the fate of the cow-juice was, but beer oh
yes it's here, yet. (-:

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Re[2]: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

2005-02-20 Thread Richard H. Stoddard
Mica,

Sunday, February 20, 2005, 3:28:46 AM, you wrote:

MM Will be my pleasure to lead you gently to the core of this beauty,
MM unknown before, and to see your eyes admiring it. (-:

I'm prepared to go that route, but how do I do it? I already have a
number of addresses white-listed (such as TBUDL), and of course I have
my known filter. How do I send the rest to a junk folder?

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Re: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

2005-02-20 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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   ***^\ ._)~~
 ~( __ _o   Was another beautiful day, Sun, 20 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 07:34:51 +0500, when Richard H. Stoddard wrote:

 Mica,

 Sunday, February 20, 2005, 3:28:46 AM, you wrote:

MM Will be my pleasure to lead you gently to the core of this beauty,
MM unknown before, and to see your eyes admiring it. (-:

 I'm prepared to go that route, but how do I do it? I already have a
 number of addresses white-listed (such as TBUDL), and of course I have
 my known filter. How do I send the rest to a junk folder?

Okay. Tell me first do you as well have your address on some of web
sites of yours, and if you do, in what form you have it exposed there?
Namely, what exactly mailto:; code/form you use?

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Re[2]: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

2005-02-20 Thread Richard H. Stoddard
Mica,

Monday, February 21, 2005, 12:41:17 AM, you wrote:

MM Okay. Tell me first do you as well have your address on some of web
MM sites of yours, and if you do, in what form you have it exposed there?
MM Namely, what exactly mailto:; code/form you use?

No, I don't have it on any public web sites. I don't have any mail to
code. I have three addresses, but most of the spam comes to only one of
them.

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Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

2005-02-19 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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Just few thoughts about anti-spam strategy, before I forget it...

Cringely, Info World http://www.infoworld.com:

BEGINNING
Filter This:
Spam may be annoying, but spam filters may prove a bigger problem.
Dozens of readers have contributed terms to the list of things that
make anti-spam software freak out. My faves: b*tt welds (mechanical
engineering), sn*tch block (construction equipment), and
bifurcated hermaphroditic pins (electrical connectors). (Forgive
the asterisks -- I'm afraid this column itself might get filtered.) One
Cringester says he can't get e-mails containing the word special*st
because cial*s is embedded inside it. Finally, a Cringe informant who
works for a major credit card company says that in his industry,
multinational banks are commonly referred to as l*rge m*mbers. As I've
always suspected, size does count -- at least when it comes to bank
accounts.
END(E)

My formula is like this:

~~~
|  Filter against what you *accept*/receive,  |
|  not against what you do *not*. (-: |
~~~

But it seems that such a strategy is still a bit ahead of the time. No
problem, let this document be a historical piquancy then, or simply a
recipe for those ready for an anti-spam adventure.

PS - I am not sure if it's wise to say this formula publicly... I am
simply hesitating whether to enjoy it myself (and keep my mouth shut),
or to help (wo)Mankind too.

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Re: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

2005-02-19 Thread Alexander S. Kunz
Hello Mica Mijatovic  everyone else,

on 19-Feb-2005 at 18:01 you (Mica Mijatovic) wrote:

 Filter against what you *accept*/receive,
 not against what you do *not*. (-:

Isn't that exactly what you do when you train a(ny) Bayes filter?

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Re: Again, why only TB built-in filters are enough to fight all sorts of SPAM

2005-02-19 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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   ***^\ ._)~~
 ~( __ _o   Was another beautiful day, Sat, 19 Feb 2005,
   @  @  at 20:11:40 +0100, when Alexander S. Kunz wrote:

 Hello Mica Mijatovic  everyone else,

 on 19-Feb-2005 at 18:01 you (Mica Mijatovic) wrote:

 Filter against what you *accept*/receive,
 not against what you do *not*. (-:

 Isn't that exactly what you do when you train a(ny) Bayes filter?

I'll try to say this in other way... When you make a party, you do not
have to check entire city to know who is *not* invited, in order to
decide who of them will be passed in in your beautiful house; you pass
just those with invitations of yours. (-: The fine people who address
you properly.

If I still wasn't clear enough, you may ask me again. (:

Will be my pleasure to lead you gently to the core of this beauty,
unknown before, and to see your eyes admiring it. (-:

- --
Mica
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