Re: Re[4]: Anti virus software and The Bat!

2000-04-11 Thread Thobias Nilsson


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To: Thobias Nilsson [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: den 11 april 2000 01:53
Subject: Re[4]: Anti virus software and The Bat!

 Where do I configure that in TB! ?
 I rather new at this program so I don't know where all options is.

1. Enable e-mail protection in NAV 2000.
2. Change setting in TB!
   POP server 127.0.0.1
   user username/mail.isp.com

Chuck Smith


Why should I do a loopback to myself?
How do I hen check my mail from the remote mail server where my mail is stored?


Thobias


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Re: Anti virus software and The Bat!

2000-04-11 Thread Steve Lamb

Tuesday, April 11, 2000, 12:10:56 AM, Thobias wrote:
2. Change setting in TB!
   POP server 127.0.0.1
   user username/mail.isp.com

 Why should I do a loopback to myself? How do I hen check my mail from the
 remote mail server where my mail is stored?

I get the impression what NAV 2000 does is open a proxy.  You hit it with
"user username/mail.isp.com" it takes the mail.isp.com, opens the connection
for you and issues the user part.

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Re[4]: Anti virus software and The Bat!

2000-04-10 Thread Marek Mikus

Hello,
Monday, April 10, 2000, You wrote:

 Does anyone know if Norton Antivirus works with The Bat! ?

I tested NAV2000 some months ago and it worked me.

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Re: Anti virus software and The Bat!

2000-04-10 Thread Oleg Zalyalov

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Monday, April 10, 2000, Christian Dysthe wrote to tbudl about
Anti virus software and The Bat!:


CD   there are some virus scanners our there now checking all your mail
CD   for viruses. The one I use (AVG Anti Virus) can check Eudora and
CD   Outlook mail.

CD   I would like to see The Bat! have these anti virus software vendors
CD   implement The Bat! support as well.
Since  TB!  never  launch  attachments  by  it's own and don't use any
active  technologies,  any general purpose antiviral program (monitor)
will  be  enough,  especially  if  you  choose  to  store  attachments
separately from the message bodies.

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Re[3]: Anti virus software and The Bat!

2000-04-10 Thread Oleg Zalyalov

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Monday, April 10, 2000, Christian Dysthe wrote to Thomas Fernandez about
Anti virus software and The Bat!:

CD What I am looking for though is having the scanner actually scan the
CD mail on it's way in (or out for that matter) and intervene if they are
CD infected (some scanners also tag the mails as well with some text
CD telling they are clean).
Why  do  you  want  to  slow  down  your  connection?  All  files  you
send/receive  with  TB!  are  perfectly  safe  until you start them by
hands. Is the percent of infected files you receive, so high for you?

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Re: Anti virus software and The Bat!

2000-04-10 Thread Thomas Fernandez

Hallo Christian,

On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 07:33:00 -0500 GMT (10.04.2000, 20:33 +0800 GMT),
Christian Dysthe wrote:

TF I use Trend PC-Cillin. It has caught viruses (or viri?) sent to me by
TF mail, ie to The Bat!. Maybe you want to change your AV scanner?

CD Well, I guess all virus scanners (who are set to scan all files) will
CD scan The Bat! message files since they after all areyes! files! :)

Correct. A virus some code, and virus scanners detect this particular
code (or about 34,000 different ones nowadays). They can do it by
scanning the HD or when the codes comes in via modem or LAN.

CD What I am looking for though is having the scanner actually scan the
CD mail on it's way in (or out for that matter) and intervene if they are
CD infected (some scanners also tag the mails as well with some text
CD telling they are clean).

That's what PC-Cillin does for me. I have "Realtime Scan" enabled.
This will check everything that comes in via modem or LAN (or copied
from other drives, I think). I have had emails coming in with infected
attachments (anything but text/plain is an attachment IMHO), and it
caught it. Sure, this Realtime Scan option slows downloading down, but
I usually web-surf at the same time, and you never know what people
put on their sites. I only disable it if I download a large file from
a known site, and will not do anything else while downloading.

Had a virus before. Been there. Don't need it again. ;-)

www.antivirus.com/pc-cillin/

Comes with a 30-day trial as well.

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Re[4]: Anti virus software and The Bat!

2000-04-10 Thread Christian Dysthe

Hello Oleg,

Monday, April 10, 2000, 8:27:22 AM, you wrote:

OZ Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

OZ Monday, April 10, 2000, Christian Dysthe wrote to Thomas Fernandez about
OZ Anti virus software and The Bat!:


OZ Why  do  you  want  to  slow  down  your  connection?  All  files  you
OZ send/receive  with  TB!  are  perfectly  safe  until you start them by
OZ hands. Is the percent of infected files you receive, so high for you?

They are pretty high these days. I receive a lot of word of excel
files every day. Since I tele-commute most of my work correspondence
is word and excel files. One thing is when I get this myself, another
thing is that I pass it on to others as well. Often I send file on
without even opening them. Then it would be good to have the in and
out real time checking of mail.

btw, caught a virus just now. Came in an excel file. AGP wouldn't
let me open it. It was a X97M/Laroux virus. Since I DID try to open it
AGP caught it, but if I had forwarded it someone else would have
gotten it. You may say that it should be their responsibility then,
but I like to be able to stop spreading of this crap as effectively as
I can.




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Re: Anti virus software and The Bat!

2000-04-10 Thread tracer

Hello Thobias Nilsson,
On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 14:09:56 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was Monday, April 10, 2000, 7:09:56 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Thobias Nilsson wrote:



Marek Mikus

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 Does anyone know if Norton Antivirus works with The Bat! ?

I am not sure Norton would find you the latest virus strains...
Someone just found that he had an infection in a crack (g) and of the
9 (!) av tools Norton was the only one which didnt see it...
And it was uptodate..
This by the way is the polite answer. personally I wouldnt want Norton
or MCAFEE if they PAID me to use it...

 Thobias




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Re: Anti virus software and The Bat!

2000-04-10 Thread tracer

Hello Oleg Zalyalov,
On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 18:27:22 +0500 GMT your local time,
which was Monday, April 10, 2000, 8:27:22 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Oleg Zalyalov wrote:


 Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

 Monday, April 10, 2000, Christian Dysthe wrote to Thomas Fernandez about
 Anti virus software and The Bat!:

CD What I am looking for though is having the scanner actually scan the
CD mail on it's way in (or out for that matter) and intervene if they are
CD infected (some scanners also tag the mails as well with some text
CD telling they are clean).
 Why  do  you  want  to  slow  down  your  connection?  All  files  you
 send/receive  with  TB!  are  perfectly  safe  until you start them by
 hands. Is the percent of infected files you receive, so high for you?

In MY case I was once teleporting a website and I fell asleep and  the
thing ended up on a virus site so about 3 of samples were saved
per letter as zip...
Quite a shocker to find that stuff on my drive. Even more to find that
some programs just saw 50-60 % of them...

Anyway, correct as long as you donot look at them, open them and in
general know what you do, a virus doesnt do anything.

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Re[3]: Anti virus software and The Bat!

2000-04-10 Thread Mark R Harding

Christian,

Regarding your message dated: Monday, April 10, 2000...

CD What I am looking for though is having the scanner actually scan the
CD mail on it's way in (or out for that matter) and intervene if they are
CD infected (some scanners also tag the mails as well with some text
CD telling they are clean).

I know just the thing to do this although there is one area of
'overlap' which I'll explain in a second...

There is a product called "Invisimail" which is designed more for the
invisible encryption/decryption of messages that you send and receive.
It uses the RPK algorithm which is basically as good as the PGP
algorithm since they both use more-or-less the same mathematical
problem as their basis.  However, since TB! has builtin support for
PGP this is not such a bonus.  However, it does also have builtin
anti-virus support and it automatically 'quarentines' infected mail in
a separate area to avoid system contamination.

The way invisimail works is quite elegant and is suitable for
(probably) any mail client that uses POP3 or IMAP.  Basically,
invisimail sets up a proxy on your machine which you give the details
of your POP3/IMAP/SMTP servers to.  You tell your mail client (TB! for
example) that your POP3/IMAP/SMTP servers have the address...

 proxy.yourmachine.com  (or whatever!)

Then when you try to send/receive mail TB! sends its signals/requests
to invisimail believing it to be a true server and invisimail
'invisibly' passes these across to the real servers.  It it detects
that you are sending/receiving from another invisimail user it will
automatically compress and/or encrypt the messages/attachments too.

I tried the demo version of this last year and was highly impressed.
It really does work invisibly and it did catch one of those 'worm'
virus mails (Melissa I think it was called) sent out by some poor
person using Outlook's address book who was therefore unaware they had
done so...

You may or may not like it yourself but if you want to find out more
goto...

   http://www.invisimail.com/

Cheers,

Mark


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Re[2]: Anti virus software and The Bat!

2000-04-10 Thread Chuck Smith

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Monday, April 10, 2000, 10:22:13 AM, you wrote:

 Does anyone know if Norton Antivirus works with The Bat! ?

I curently use Norton Antivirus 2000 with TB! just fine. You have to
manually configure TB! but it works just fine without ANY resourse
problems.


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Re: Anti virus software and The Bat!

2000-04-10 Thread Steve Lamb

Monday, April 10, 2000, 6:34:54 AM, Thomas wrote:
 Had a virus before. Been there. Don't need it again. ;-)

So did I.  In my ~14 years of computing I've had 1 virus sent to me
through Fido-Net netmail and one I caught, I think, from a disgruntled
coworker who was giving me some files before I left the company.  In the first
case it never got to infect since it was such a lame attempt at an attack it
wasn't even funny.  "Here, run this!"  Small 2k .COM file.  Yeah, right.  In
the latter case it was an annoyance and didn't spread.  Had it cleaned up in
less than 20 minutes.

It is fairly trivial to avoid viruses.  Of course I'm not a likely vector
for any viruses to come my way.  About 1/2 my computing is on Linux.  The 1/2
that is on Windows is mostly games.  I don't use Microsoft office products
(prefer to stick to Star Office) so macro viruses don't get me and, clearly, I
don't use an email client which can be used to pass it on (*cough* Lookout!
*cough*).  I download only from reputable sites, don't open unknown binary
attachments from strangers and generally keep a sound mind on things.

IE, in three words (well, four): I'm computer savvy.

To me having a virus checker running constantly would be pissing me off.
In fact, at work, where it is policy, it does piss me off.  I'd rather be
running Linux so I know I'm not a vector instead of nearly being mandated on
being one.  Besides, I'm remembering why I like the console so much on Linux
boxes.  I'll be the sick one with 9 TTYs, each with screen and the possibility
of 9 virtual TTYs on each one.  A, 81 TTYs, controllable by sensible
keystrokes.  Anyway, I digress.  Point is, viruses are mostly a product of
hype and ignorance.  The mere fact you're running TB! cuts down your
possibility of being hit by one and being a vector of one a large amount.

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Re[2]: Anti virus software and The Bat!

2000-04-10 Thread Woofie

Howdy Dennis,

Monday, April 10, 2000, 10:47:15 PM, you wrote:


DWG Sub-Seven Gold, a Trojan, got past Norton AV 2000 and PC-cillin 98.
DWG Both up-to-date. Both reacted but didn't stop the "dropper" from
DWG dropping Sub-seven. My firewall, Zonealarm, prevented Sub-seven from
DWG calling home.

  Yes..we had a problem just recently at work with a worm...our firewall AV
  software had crashed and allowed this worm through...it was picked up by both
  the latest editions of Nortons and Mcafee on the desktops, but neither could
  stop it doing its dirty work. Zone Alarm appears to be a good personal
  firewall.


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Re: Anti virus software and The Bat!

2000-04-10 Thread Steve Lamb

Monday, April 10, 2000, 8:01:32 AM, Thomas wrote:
SL To me having a virus checker running constantly would be pissing me off.
SL In fact, at work, where it is policy, it does piss me off.

 So, how much does it really slow down your work? Or is it more a
 matter of principle?

It doesn't slow down my work but it doesn't help, either.  A majority of
my work at work is done through an exported X session and I run TB! for email.
I think I've opened Word like, uhm, twice?

IE, it is there, taking up RAM, taking up CPU cycles and it isn't doing
one lick of good.

Like I said, I'd love to be running Linux on this box right now since I am
much more productive in that environment for the work that I do.

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Re: Anti virus software and The Bat!

2000-04-10 Thread Alexander V. Kiselev

Hi there!

On 10 Apr 00, at 13:09, Marek Mikus wrote
about "Re[2]: Anti virus software and The Bat!":

Okay, guys, let's _stop_ finally introducing our own favourite antiviruses! If 
you really want to know, which AV tools are the best, go and look at the latest 
Virus Bulletin results. These can be found, for example, at www.drweb.ru 
(English version: www.sald.com). If you are lazy (like me;-)), I'll tell you: 
1. Dr.Web (99% of virii "in the wild")
2. AVP (approx. 99% of virii "in the wild" )
3. F-Prot (95%)
.
XXX. NAV (it's one of the worst: 90% of virii "in the wild").

But of course, if you want to get nice GUI rather then to scan for virii, then 
even WinAmp will very probably serve your needs;-))

 CD   Does anyone know if anti virus software exist that will check mail
 CD   delivered and sent from The Bat!? If not I would like to help make
 CD   sure it happens.
 
  I use Trend PC-Cillin. It has caught viruses (or viri?) sent to me by
  mail, ie to The Bat!. Maybe you want to change your AV scanner?
 
 When will have TB support for MAPI (version 2.0 of TB), AVG will have
 support for checking sent and received mails in TB :-))
 
 The antivirus product AVG is developed by distinguished czech company
 Grisoft from my town :-)
 
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Re[3]: Anti virus software and The Bat!

2000-04-10 Thread Thobias Nilsson

On Monday, April 10, 2000, 16:33, Chuck Smith wrote:

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 Monday, April 10, 2000, 10:22:13 AM, you wrote:

 Does anyone know if Norton Antivirus works with The Bat! ?

 I curently use Norton Antivirus 2000 with TB! just fine. You have to
 manually configure TB! but it works just fine without ANY resourse
 problems.


 Chuck Smith

Where do I configure that in TB! ?
I rather new at this program so I don't know where all options is.


Thobias



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Re: Anti virus software and The Bat!

2000-04-10 Thread tracer

Hello Steve Lamb,
On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 07:40:33 -0700 GMT your local time,
which was Monday, April 10, 2000, 9:40:33 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Steve Lamb wrote:


(snipped a bit..)

 Anyway, I digress.  Point is, viruses are mostly a product of
 hype and ignorance.  The mere fact you're running TB! cuts down your
 possibility of being hit by one and being a vector of one a large amount.

correct, one of the reasons I use the bat...and most of the time my
scanners are off...
It slows my system down.
I have no office installed, no outlook and no outlook express in use.


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Re: Anti virus software and The Bat!

2000-04-10 Thread tracer

Hello Dennis W. Greer,
On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 07:47:15 -0700 GMT your local time,
which was Monday, April 10, 2000, 9:47:15 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Dennis W. Greer wrote:


 Hello tracer,



 Sub-Seven Gold, a Trojan, got past Norton AV 2000 and PC-cillin 98.
 Both up-to-date. Both reacted but didn't stop the "dropper" from
 dropping Sub-seven. My firewall, Zonealarm, prevented Sub-seven from
 calling home.


One cannot really blame Av tools for not catching backdoors...
But agreed a proper firewall would catch it.

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Re: Anti virus software and The Bat!

2000-04-10 Thread tracer

Hello Alexander V. Kiselev,
On Mon, 10 Apr 2000 19:34:50 +0400 GMT your local time,
which was Monday, April 10, 2000, 10:34:50 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,
Alexander V. Kiselev wrote:


 Hi there!

 On 10 Apr 00, at 13:09, Marek Mikus wrote
 about "Re[2]: Anti virus software and The Bat!":

 Okay, guys, let's _stop_ finally introducing our own favourite antiviruses! If 
 you really want to know, which AV tools are the best, go and look at the latest 
 Virus Bulletin results. These can be found, for example, at www.drweb.ru 
 (English version: www.sald.com). If you are lazy (like me;-)), I'll tell you: 
1. Dr.Web (99% of virii "in the wild")
 2. AVP (approx. 99% of virii "in the wild" )
3. F-Prot (95%)
 .
 XXX. NAV (it's one of the worst: 90% of virii "in the wild").

Over my collection that 'last one' doesnt get more then 65 % of whats
on my system stored, not running...
Other numbers sound about right..
I never tested winamp on them (g)

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Re: Anti virus software and The Bat!

2000-04-10 Thread Nick Andriash

On Monday, April 10, 2000, 11:16:53 AM, Chuck Smith wrote:

 1. Enable e-mail protection in NAV 2000.
 2. Change setting in TB!
POP server 127.0.0.1
user username/mail.isp.com

Chuck, don't you find that:

1) E-Mail Scanning with NAV eats up a huge chunk of System Resources?
2) I heard that using 127.0.0.1 had an inherent security risk?


Nick

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