Re: Eek! Did I really lose--forever--all emails in my IMAP Inbox?

2020-04-22 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello MFPA,

On Thu, 23 Apr 2020 00:24:38 +0100 GMT (23-Apr-20, 6:24 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:

>> I could, but that's not how I work. I BCC all messages to myself.
>> Different folks, different strokes.

> Do you not feel the need to keep a local messagebase of the incoming
> messages to IMAP accounts?

My reply above is about outgoing messages.

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Re: Eek! Did I really lose--forever--all emails in my IMAP Inbox?

2020-04-22 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Tuesday 21 April 2020 at 8:10:05 PM, in
, Melissa Reese wrote:-


> Could you please let me know where to
> set this up in
> the options? Thanks!

I was thinking of filters in the Sorting Office when I wrote that
suggestion. Something like condition: any message; action: copy to a
folder.

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Re: Eek! Did I really lose--forever--all emails in my IMAP Inbox?

2020-04-22 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Wednesday 22 April 2020 at 6:19:21 AM, in
, Thomas Fernandez wrote:-


> I could, but that's not how I work. I BCC all
> messages to myself.
> Different folks, different strokes.

Do you not feel the need to keep a local messagebase of the incoming
messages to IMAP accounts?

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Re[2]: Eek! Did I really lose--forever--all emails in my IMAP Inbox?

2020-04-22 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/22/2020  8:32 AM

Hi Thomas,

On 4/22/2020 Thomas Fernandez wrote:

TF> Quote: "The Bat! MSI installation package no longer include EWS DLL
TF> files. As a result, The Bat! would not support Exchange Web Services
TF> (EWS) protocol until you manually download a DLL and store it un the
TF> same directory where thebat32.exe/thebat64.exe resides.

TF> UNQUOTE

TF> I see you are talking about MAPI, not EWS.

>> Couldn't you have "best of both" by using IMAP but having TB! copy all
>> messages to a local archive folder? That way, you could have the local
>> message store but still access all of your email from multiple devices
>> using a proper mail client. Or am I missing something?

TF> I could, but that's not how I work. I BCC all messages to myself.
TF> Different folks, different strokes.

Me too, from all IMAP devices...

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Re: Eek! Did I really lose--forever--all emails in my IMAP Inbox?

2020-04-21 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello MFPA,

On Tue, 21 Apr 2020 19:11:32 +0100 GMT (22-Apr-20, 1:11 +0700 GMT),
MFPA wrote:

>> Besides, Exchange uses a proprietary protocol, and TheBat has no
>> native support for it (any more).

> Has support been removed recently? My "Create New Account" wizard in
> TB! v8.8.2.5 still has the option of "MAPI(Microsoft Exchange)", the
> other two options being "Auto" and "IMAP or POP".

From bug report https://bt.ritlabs.com/view.php?id=1427 :

QUOTE

This is not a bug. We removed the DLLs for EWS intentionally. Please
refer to the release notes of The Bat! v8.0 at
https://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/revision-history/7026/

Quote: "The Bat! MSI installation package no longer include EWS DLL
files. As a result, The Bat! would not support Exchange Web Services
(EWS) protocol until you manually download a DLL and store it un the
same directory where thebat32.exe/thebat64.exe resides.

UNQUOTE

I see you are talking about MAPI, not EWS.

>> I'm back to POP only. However, there are some people on this list
>> who prefer IMAP.

> Couldn't you have "best of both" by using IMAP but having TB! copy all
> messages to a local archive folder? That way, you could have the local
> message store but still access all of your email from multiple devices
> using a proper mail client. Or am I missing something?

I could, but that's not how I work. I BCC all messages to myself.
Different folks, different strokes.

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Re: Eek! Did I really lose--forever--all emails in my IMAP Inbox?

2020-04-21 Thread MAU
Hello MFPA,

>> Besides, Exchange uses a proprietary protocol, and
>> TheBat has no native
>> support for it (any more).
>
> Has support been removed recently? My "Create New Account" wizard in
> TB! v8.8.2.5 still has the option of "MAPI(Microsoft Exchange)", the
> other two options being "Auto" and "IMAP or POP".

The option is still available in 9.1.16.3 (BETA).

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Re: Eek! Did I really lose--forever--all emails in my IMAP Inbox?

2020-04-21 Thread Melissa Reese
Hello MFPA,

Tuesday, April 21, 2020, 10:11:32 AM, you wrote:

> Couldn't you have "best of both" by using IMAP but having TB! copy all
> messages to a local archive folder?

This sounds like just what I'd like to do. Can't seem to find the
option, though. Could you please let me know where to set this up in
the options? Thanks!

Haven't yet set up all my templates in this new installation, so it's
not showing my TB version at the moment. I'm using v9.1.16.

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Re[2]: Eek! Did I really lose--forever--all emails in my IMAP Inbox?

2020-04-21 Thread Paul Van Noord
4/21/2020  2:18 PM

Hi MFPA,

On 4/21/2020 MFPA wrote:

M> On Tuesday 21 April 2020 at 1:13:38 AM, in
M> , Thomas Fernandez wrote:-

>> Besides, Exchange uses a proprietary protocol, and
>> TheBat has no native
>> support for it (any more).

M> Has support been removed recently? My "Create New Account" wizard in
M> TB! v8.8.2.5 still has the option of "MAPI(Microsoft Exchange)", the
M> other two options being "Auto" and "IMAP or POP".

>> I'm back to POP only. However, there are
>> some people on
>> this list who prefer IMAP.

M> Couldn't you have "best of both" by using IMAP but having TB! copy all
M> messages to a local archive folder? That way, you could have the local
M> message store but still access all of your email from multiple devices
M> using a proper mail client. Or am I missing something?

This  system  works real well. My main computer is POP and all my mobile
devices are IMAP. Have used this strategy for more than a decade...

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Re: Eek! Did I really lose--forever--all emails in my IMAP Inbox?

2020-04-21 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Tuesday 21 April 2020 at 1:13:38 AM, in
, Thomas Fernandez wrote:-


> Besides, Exchange uses a proprietary protocol, and
> TheBat has no native
> support for it (any more).

Has support been removed recently? My "Create New Account" wizard in
TB! v8.8.2.5 still has the option of "MAPI(Microsoft Exchange)", the
other two options being "Auto" and "IMAP or POP".

> I'm back to POP only. However, there are
> some people on
> this list who prefer IMAP.

Couldn't you have "best of both" by using IMAP but having TB! copy all
messages to a local archive folder? That way, you could have the local
message store but still access all of your email from multiple devices
using a proper mail client. Or am I missing something?


> --

The trailing space seems to have dropped off your cut mark. At least 
in the copy I received.

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Re: Eek! Did I really lose--forever--all emails in my IMAP Inbox?

2020-04-20 Thread Thomas Fernandez
Hello Melissa,

On Mon, 20 Apr 2020 10:54:22 -0800 GMT (21-Apr-20, 1:54 +0700 GMT),
Melissa Reese wrote:

>>> I really don't know what happened, but all of a sudden, the main
>>> inbox of my one IMAP account (my main email account!) is EMPTY!

>> I don't know much about IMAP accounts, never used one but, wasn't
>> that the idea of IMAP, to keep all email at the server?

> That's what I thought.  I called my email server provider late last
> night, and they were able to provide at least a partial solution for
> the moment (restored email in that folder going back as far as 7
> March, 2020 -- though I've been using this IMAP installation since
> August, 2019).  I'm still waiting to hear about what happened to the
> rest.

> Next week, they'll be migrating me to what they say will be a better
> version of IMAP-like protocol -- "Exchange"?  I guess I'll see what
> happens moving forward.

Between IMAP, POP and Exchange, Exchange is the worst. My university
uses it, and I fought with it for a while, but was happy when I found
out that the Microsoft Exchange server now also supports IMAP and POP.
Besides, Exchange uses a proprietary protocol, and TheBat has no native
support for it (any more).

>> Is it an gmail account? Have you tried logging in from a browser and
>> see?

> Not gmail. Nor is it the account through which I'm sending this
> message. It's on my own domain. It's a service I've had through
> GoDaddy for many years now (POP3 until last August, when I decided to
> give IMAP a try).

Yes, I also tried IMAP with one account for a while, just to get a
feel for it. I'm back to POP only. However, there are some people on
this list who prefer IMAP.

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Re: Eek! Did I really lose--forever--all emails in my IMAP Inbox?

2020-04-20 Thread Melissa Reese
Hi Miguel,

On Monday, April 20, 2020, at 1:49:08 AM PST, you wrote:

>> I really don't know what happened, but all of a sudden, the main
>> inbox of my one IMAP account (my main email account!) is EMPTY!

> I don't know much about IMAP accounts, never used one but, wasn't
> that the idea of IMAP, to keep all email at the server?

That's what I thought.  I called my email server provider late last
night, and they were able to provide at least a partial solution for
the moment (restored email in that folder going back as far as 7
March, 2020 -- though I've been using this IMAP installation since
August, 2019).  I'm still waiting to hear about what happened to the
rest.

Next week, they'll be migrating me to what they say will be a better
version of IMAP-like protocol -- "Exchange"?  I guess I'll see what
happens moving forward.

> Is it an gmail account? Have you tried logging in from a browser and
> see?

Not gmail. Nor is it the account through which I'm sending this
message. It's on my own domain. It's a service I've had through
GoDaddy for many years now (POP3 until last August, when I decided to
give IMAP a try).

In any event, I'm happy to have the most recent emails restored, and
will see what happens in trying to recover the rest.  Thanks for your
reply!

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Re: Eek! Did I really lose--forever--all emails in my IMAP Inbox?

2020-04-20 Thread MAU
Hello Melissa,

> I really don't know what happened, but all of a sudden, the main inbox
> of my one IMAP account (my main email account!) is EMPTY!

I don't know much about IMAP accounts, never used one but, wasn't that
the   idea   of  IMAP, to keep all email at the server? Is it an gmail
account? Have you tried logging in from a browser and see?
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Eek! Did I really lose--forever--all emails in my IMAP Inbox?

2020-04-20 Thread Melissa Reese
Hi,

I really don't know what happened, but all of a sudden, the main inbox
of my one IMAP account (my main email account!) is EMPTY!

Is there any way to recover all those emails?

Whenever I try restoring from a backup made yesterday only results in
the maintenance center going into "not responding" mode (this was
happening before all this as well -- I've not yet been able to restore
at all).

Please, please tell me there's a way to recover all these lost email
messages!

Thanks!

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