Dear tb,
On 03:52 10.03.2004, you [tb] wrote...
[1] TDMA-style confirmations will break your list subscribtion
management (subscribe, monthly reminders, etc).
TMDA breaks what you make it break. Just my clarification.
Gmane.org does not provide a whitelisting capability for people using
* Leif Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Just one remark ...
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.test/1341
*This* is exactly how a link to an archive should look like.
And everyone who compares the current archive's (IMHO close to
unusable) web frontend with Gmane's Loom has to admit that Gmane
* Leif Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
[...]
*We believe the spam risk through Gmane to be the same or even less
than the current list archives already in place.*
The current list archive can easily be harvested. I wrote some time
earlier (sorry, I have no Message-ID) how that can be done
* Leif Gregory [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
Hello Thomas, Monday, March 8, 2004, 11:46:41 AM, you wrote:
They are planning to eventually pump these feeds into mainstream
usenet.
Thomas Oh...
Still with encrypted addresses, and I believe they will offer us the
option of whether we want that
Hi there Leif,
Just ONE little clarification.
On 23:22 08.03.2004, you [Leif Gregory] wrote...
provided your From address is set to that which you have subscribed to
the TB list, your message will post to the list and in doing so get
posted to Gmane.
Please, anyone, do not try to subscribe
Carsten Thönges wrote:
CT The current list archive can easily be harvested. I wrote some time
CT earlier (sorry, I have no Message-ID) how that can be done using
CT some common tools like wget and sed.
CT Gmane's spam protection is much better than mail-archive's.
I've examined the source of a
VALUE=viscountess.drunkasaskunk
^
| INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME=host VALUE=lamiam.com
^^^
| INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME=subject VALUE=Re: GMane - here we come
| INPUT TYPE=HIDDEN NAME
Hello Anne,
Monday, March 8, 2004, 8:48:55 PM, you wrote:
Anne I'd like to say that, despite being leery as I am about
Anne usenet/open newsgroups, I feel this is worth a try. I've had a
Anne good look at all the Gmane options and it seems as secure as
Anne anything online can be. If we want
Carsten Thönges wrote:
Look at HTML source of that page and you'll see:
snip
No encryption at all and very easy to grab.
I see what you mean. :)
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Cheers,
Allie
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Hello Leif!
On Tuesday, March 09, 2004, 8:48 AM, you wrote:
Anne ... If we want total security we need to
Anne unplug our modems and stay off the internet! :)
LG That's what we like to hear!! grin
This is my me too message. Except for the extensive check of Gmane
which Anne did, I echo her 100
Carsten Thönges wrote:
Look at HTML source of that page and you'll see:
snip
No encryption at all and very easy to grab.
I see what you mean. :)
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Hello Allie,
On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 21:31:03 -0500 GMT (09/03/2004, 09:31 +0700 GMT),
Allie Martin wrote:
We first did our research and assessed GMane's security ourselves
since we don't exactly enjoy being spammed; neither do we wish to have
our membership end up being spammed on account of our
Hello Thomas,
Tuesday, March 9, 2004, 10:38:45 AM, you wrote:
Thomas Please tell me you didn't just believe the theory on Gmane's
Thomas own (marketing) website but have been subscribed for a while
Thomas to a list mirrored via Gmane and talk from experience.
Yes, I did.
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Leif (TB list
Hello Mary,
Tuesday, March 9, 2004, 8:00:45 AM, you wrote:
Mary I simply put my total trust in you, Leif, and Marck and Allie.
That trust wouldn't happen to extend to your bank account would it?
;-)
Mary That is completely apparent to even the most casual glance and
Mary consideration. And you
Hello Leif!
On Tuesday, March 09, 2004, 5:55 PM, you wrote:
Mary I simply put my total trust in you, Leif, and Marck and Allie.
LG That trust wouldn't happen to extend to your bank account would it?
LG ;-)
Now, which one of you is going to trout me for replying to this
clearly OT turn of the
-- [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Hi there Leif,
Just ONE little clarification.
On 23:22 08.03.2004, you [Leif Gregory] wrote...
provided your From address is set to that which you have subscribed to
the TB list, your message will post to the list and in doing so get
posted to Gmane.
Please,
On Monday, March 8, 2004, 4:50:46 PM, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:
MDP One thing that we feel duty bound to do here is to provide you
MDP with clear instructions for the use of the X-No-Archive header
MDP for those that *really* don't want their posts echoed to this
MDP pretty well spam-safe news
Deborah W wrote:
I'm also not satisfied with pretty well spam-safe (especially when
it was zero spam risks only a few days ago) so I won't be
posting. Yes, I know that nothing is spam-safe - but this is where my
line is drawn.
Let's say Deborah, that with the current GMane setup, you're as likely
Hello Deborah,
Monday, March 8, 2004, 10:06:53 AM, you wrote:
Deborah Can I add a reminder that the X-No-Archive header only
Deborah ensures your original post isn't archived? If someone quotes
Deborah you, and they don't use the X-No-Archive header, whatever
Deborah they quote will be archived.
Dear Rich,
@8-Mar-2004, 12:46 -0500 (08-Mar 17:46 UK time) rich gregory [RG] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
MDP ... instructions for the use of the X-No-Archive header for those
MDP that *really* don't want their posts echoed ...
MDP In your TB-list reply template, add the following:
MDP
Can someone actually explain what GMane is!
Is it a Newsgroup, some private forum, a Yahoo! group ?
Do we change anything here or do we just continue reading / responding
to message as they arise like now?
Later: Having Googled for GMane I now see that it is a News group
thing. There does seem
Monday, March 8, 2004, 10:50:46 AM, you wrote:
Hi T'Buddlers,
Well, having asked for objections to the idea of reflecting the TB
lists to GMane to provide access to the list in a News format, we
haven't received any that stood up to scrutiny.
Marck, I missed most of the original discussions
Hi Marck,
on Mon, 8 Mar 2004 16:50:46 +GMT, you wrote:
MDP Well, having asked for objections to the idea of reflecting the TB
MDP lists to GMane to provide access to the list in a News format, we
MDP haven't received any that stood up to scrutiny.
I recently set up The Bat! to work for the
Hello Trevor,
On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 18:02:44 + GMT (09/03/2004, 01:02 +0700 GMT),
Trevor Langford wrote:
Later: Having Googled for GMane I now see that it is a News group
thing. There does seem to be one major obstacle in that it requires
you to set your newsreader to news.gmane.org. As my
Monday, March 8, 2004, 12:02:44 PM, you wrote:
Can someone actually explain what GMane is!
Is it a Newsgroup, some private forum, a Yahoo! group ?
Do we change anything here or do we just continue reading / responding
to message as they arise like now?
Later: Having Googled for GMane I
Hello Leif,
On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 10:55:00 -0700 GMT (09/03/2004, 00:55 +0700 GMT),
Leif Gregory wrote:
Your e-mail address will be encrypted and overly difficult for
spammers to harvest.
[...]
You've got three heavy duty geeks (the mods) at least who think this
is a viable idea with very
Hello Jack,
Monday, March 8, 2004, 11:11:54 AM, you wrote:
Jack 1. Does this mean that tbudl will now become an official Usenet
Jack *newsgroup?
On Gmane's servers, yes.
Jack 2. Can one subscribe to it as one would normally subscribe to
Jack any other Usenet newsgroup?
Not in the newsgroup
Hello Thomas,
Monday, March 8, 2004, 11:20:56 AM, you wrote:
*We believe the spam risk through Gmane to be the same or even less
than the current list archives already in place.*
Thomas I'll keep that as a sig, just in case, if you don't mind. ;-)
Uhmmm, let me copyright that real quick..
Dear Jack,
@8-Mar-2004, 12:11 -0600 (08-Mar 18:11 UK time) Jack Morrison [JM]
in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:
JM Marck, I missed most of the original discussions regarding this
JM subject, so I have a few questions.
Okay - shoot. duck
JM 1. Does this mean that tbudl will now become an
Hello Leif,
On Mon, 8 Mar 2004 11:35:00 -0700 GMT (09/03/2004, 01:35 +0700 GMT),
Leif Gregory wrote:
They are planning to eventually pump these feeds into mainstream
usenet.
Oh...
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Cheers,
Thomas.
Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste.
SYMPTOM: Beer unusually pale and
Monday, March 8, 2004, 12:36:37 PM, you wrote:
Dear Jack,
@8-Mar-2004, 12:11 -0600 (08-Mar 18:11 UK time) Jack Morrison [JM]
in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:
JM Marck, I missed most of the original discussions regarding this
JM subject, so I have a few questions.
Okay - shoot. duck
Does anyone have the name of this new Gmane newsgroup yet?
--
Best regards,
Jack
Using The Bat! 2.04.7 on Windows 5.1 (2600) Service Pack 1
Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
On Monday, March 8, 2004, 1:36 PM, you wrote:
this looks like a good message to ( start) adding this Gmane info to THE
FAQ:)
MDP @8-Mar-2004, 12:11 -0600 (08-Mar 18:11 UK time) Jack Morrison [JM]
MDP in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:
JM Marck, I missed most of the original discussions
Monday, March 8, 2004, 1:11:53 PM, you wrote:
Your [GMane] e-mail address will be encrypted and overly difficult
for spammers to harvest.
How is this done, can we see some examples of this in action BEFOE we
panic?
Rich, here's a pretty good explanation of how it works, but I agree, seeing
: GMane - here we come
`--
You did it right.
No, the %- means not to put a new line. Without it, it really becomes
apparent when you have macros above everything else in the template.
You get all sorts of blank lines above your text.
--
Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user
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Hello Dirigo,
On 08 March 2004, 14:28 -0500 (08/03/200419:28 local time) Dirigo [D] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
3). In your TB-list reply template, add the following:
%SetHeader(X-No-Archive,Yes)%-
D I have followed your instructions to a T.
Hello rich,
Monday, March 8, 2004, 12:11:53 PM, you wrote:
rich How is this done, can we see some examples of this in action
rich BEFOE we panic?
Absorutery Raggy! grin
http://article.gmane.org/gmane.test/1341
I just picked this one at random because it shows the encrypted URL.
So, here's
Dear Jack,
@8-Mar-2004, 13:22 -0600 (08-Mar 19:22 UK time) Jack Morrison [JM]
in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:
Okay - shoot. duck
JM I come in peace. :)
(phew!)
The Gmane newsgroup server will carry an archive of all
archive-able posts the TBUDL (and others).
JM I'm a little
Hello Thomas,
Monday, March 8, 2004, 11:46:41 AM, you wrote:
They are planning to eventually pump these feeds into mainstream
usenet.
Thomas Oh...
Still with encrypted addresses, and I believe they will offer us the
option of whether we want that to happen with our lists. We will be
looking
Hi Leif,
on Mon, 8 Mar 2004 13:36:30 -0700GMT, you wrote:
LG No, the %- means not to put a new line. Without it, it really becomes
LG apparent when you have macros above everything else in the template.
LG You get all sorts of blank lines above your text.
LG
LG
LG
LG --
LG Leif (TB list
Hello Peter,
Monday, March 8, 2004, 2:23:33 PM, you wrote:
LG
LG --
LG Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user).
Peter Or below... ;-) SCNR
grin You scared the heck out of me... I just rebuilt my box and I
thought... Oh no!!! I screwed up my sig delimiter! I checked my post
and it was all
Monday, March 8, 2004, 2:44:09 PM, you wrote:
[]
JM Additionally, what kind of posts aren't archive-able?
Those bearing the header X-No-Archive: Yes will not be archived.
So, in other words, if I've added X-No-Archive: Yes to my headers,
then the only place where my message will ever appear is
Dear Rich,
@8-Mar-2004, 17:00 -0500 (08-Mar 22:00 UK time) rich gregory [RG] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
RG The page you cite mentions a header tweak: X-Archive: encrypt
You don't need this - the whole list will be encrypted.
RG If TBUDL is broken is this some attempt to fix it?
RG If it's
Hello Jack,
Monday, March 8, 2004, 12:20:26 PM, you wrote:
Jack Gmane generates e-mail, too?
No... grin Gmane has the ability to allow someone to post to the
list via posting to the newsgroup. However, we are not doing this as
it will allow bad stuff to possibly happen (spam etc.) However, many
On Monday, March 8, 2004, 3:43 PM, you wrote:
LG http://article.gmane.org/gmane.test/1341
LG I just picked this one at random because it shows the encrypted URL.
nice! even colorblind I can read his real email!! good thing it wasn't
the colored bubble test, I wouldnt be able to read itG
and
Trevor Langford, [TL] wrote:
TL Can someone actually explain what GMane is!
Go to www.gmane.org where it's fully described. There was a recent
long thread about it, titled 'Time for a Newsgroup?'
TL Later: Having Googled for GMane I now see that it is a News group
TL thing. There does seem to
Jack Morrison, [JM] wrote:
JM I'm a little confused about what archive means here. Will posts made
JM to tbudl be mirrored over to this new newsgroup as they occur? Or in
JM some kind of weekly/daily digest?
Why not visit www.gmane.org and look at a couple of the newsgroups via
the web
Jack Morrison, [JM] wrote:
JM Rich, here's a pretty good explanation of how it works, but I
JM agree, seeing is believing:
JM http://gmane.org/tmda.php
Just subscribe to one of the lists there and inspect a few of the
messages. In that way, you'll see it so you can believe it or not. :)
--
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Hello Paul,
Monday, March 8, 2004, 4:42:28 PM, you wrote:
Paul and I searched and didn't find TBUDL as a group, aren't we in
Paul there, or doesn't it start til Wed.??
Nope, we aren't planning to do it till Wednesday.
--
Leif (TB list moderator and fellow end user).
Using The Bat! 2.04.4
Hello Allie,
Monday, March 8, 2004, 1:25:00 PM, you wrote:
Allie Well, you can continue reading list mail as you do now. The
Allie newsgroup mirror will be just another way to read the list
Allie traffic. It's read only.
Allie and Leif time lag tag team. Allie's in, I'm out. See you all
Jack Morrison, [JM] wrote:
JM Could it be that the newsgroup (the one that will mirror tbudl)
JM hasn't actually been created yet?
,- / Marck in his initial message announcing plans \
| As such, we (the mods) are giving notice that we intend to enable
| the GMane feed on Wednesday.
`-
I
Jack Morrison, [JM] wrote:
JM The application requests the following info:
That application is for us who wish to mirror the list traffic and not
for you. :)
All you have to do is point your newsserver to news.gmane.org,
download the list of groups there, find the list you wish to subscribe
to
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:
As such, we (the mods) are giving notice that we intend to enable
the GMane feed on Wednesday. That still gives you folks 2 days to
either brace yourselves, object strongly or look forward with eager
anticipation.
My reaction isn't exactly any of those things, but I
Hello Leif,
On Mon, 08 Mar 2004 13:43:15 -0700 GMT (3/8/2004, 12:43 PM -0800 GMT),
Leif Gregory wrote:
LG 1. Once the above link is opened, hover your mouse cursor over the
LGhyperlink in the FROM line.
LG 2. Click the hyperlink in the FROM line to see the TMDA in action.
That's pretty
George Mitchell, [GM] wrote:
GM Also, rational or not, the list will undoubtedly lose some
GM posters. Perhaps we will gain others through GMane, but my gut
GM tells me it will be a net loss.
Perhaps this may have happened if we had just informed the group,
without prior discussion that the
Jack Morrison, [JM] wrote:
Just subscribe to one of the lists there and inspect a few of the
messages. In that way, you'll see it so you can believe it or not. :)
JM I'm doing just that, Allie,
I was inaccurate there. Address encryption is optional on a list
mailing list to GMane subscription
Jack Morrison, [JM] wrote:
JM I'm sorry, Allie, I guess I wasn't clear.
JM I'd like the information for *my* own purposes,
Ah, I see. :)
JM I would just like for someone to tell me what Gmane is wanting when
JM they ask for the mail list's *address,* if you happen to know.
They just wish to
Jack Morrison, [JM] wrote:
JM Okay, I'm still confused.
JM I have already subscribed to a couple of Gmane lists(just to read
JM them), but I haven't tried to post to them yet.
JM When (or how) do I get a chance to set this NOMAIL feature?
JM And what exactly does the NOMAIL feature mean? That
Jack Morrison, [JM] wrote:
JM And I would hit the reply button on my newsreader and send them to the
JM same place, [EMAIL PROTECTED] ?
Yes.
JM Or to this yet-to-be-named newsgroup's address?
No. We'll be making this not possible. We still wish list traffic to
come via list subscriptions only.
Hi T'Buddlers,
Well, having asked for objections to the idea of reflecting the TB
lists to GMane to provide access to the list in a News format, we
haven't received any that stood up to scrutiny.
As such, we (the mods) are giving notice that we intend to enable
the GMane feed on Wednesday. That
Hello Allie,
Monday, March 8, 2004, 1:21:45 PM, you wrote:
Allie You don't. List traffic will still reach your inbox unless you
Allie set your subscription to NOMAIL.
Ok, just to make this clear to everyone.
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