Re: I have a problem..
On Friday, April 23, 2004, 3:06:18 AM, malexander wrote: I use Second Copy too. But I have it set to do a continuous back up (well, almost) every 20 mins and that includes my message base. The problem with this is that you do not have a history to roll back to, for example, you delete some vital messages from the message base, but don't realise for 1 day. By then, your backup will have been over-written several times. I use 12-Ghosts Backup for things that I need a history of. You can set items to continuously back up, creating a copy once a minute, hour, day, week and month. This means I have a history of revisions going back as far as I want. This could be difficult with a complete message base (unless you have a *very* big hard disk), but you could do it on a particular account or folder. http://12ghosts.com/ghosts/backup.htm Julian -- Using The Bat! v2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.10.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I have a problem..
ON Friday, April 23, 2004, 4:06:18 AM, you wrote: m I use Second Copy too. But I have it set to do a continuous back up m (well, almost) every 20 mins and that includes my message base. Alexander, With a backup scheme like that I have to ask what is so important that it needs backing up every 20 min. -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Half of golf is fun; the other half is putting. Using The Bat! v2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.10.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I have a problem..
Hello Gerard, On Fri, 23 Apr 2004 13:30:10 +0200 GMT (23.04.2004, 13:30 +0200 GMT, where I live), you wrote: G ON Friday, April 23, 2004, 4:06:18 AM, you wrote: m I use Second Copy too. But I have it set to do a continuous back up m (well, almost) every 20 mins and that includes my message base. G With a backup scheme like that I have to ask what is so important that it G needs backing up every 20 min. Are you an email-aholic, or are you not? g -- Maurice Current version is 2.10.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I have a problem..
Hello tb, sniped quite a bit This is not the first time I've had a disaster with TB, but it is the first time I actually lost mail. Thought it is rather irrelevant, my latest backup for TB mail was all the way back in late summer 2003, primarily because it is such a large backup for me. I know some people will mention that, but I am not concerned with them. I have read up to this paragraph and I will not proceed any further. You say that it is _irrelevant_ that your last backup was late summer 2003, more than 6 months ago. I don't know if it is irrelevant, or not. What I know, and I am positive about it, is that if email is _so_ _important_ to you and you haven't backed up in six months... your are plainly and simply stupid. Don't blame anyone else or any program. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v2.10.01 Current version is 2.10.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I have a problem..
ON Friday, April 23, 2004, 1:41:01 PM, you wrote: G With a backup scheme like that I have to ask what is so important that it G needs backing up every 20 min. MM Are you an email-aholic, or are you not? g Hi Maurice, Not that seriously I guess:^) -- Best regards, Gerard -=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-=-= Putting allows the touchy golfer two to four opportunities to blow a gasket in the short space of two to forty feet. --Tommy Bolt Using The Bat! v2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.10.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I have a problem..
On Monday, April 19, 2004, 5:27:51 AM, tb wrote in message: mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] t my latest backup for TB mail was all the way back in t late summer 2003, primarily because it is such a large backup for me. If you use e-mail for business and don't have an up-to-date backup then you will come to grief regardless of what e-mailer you use. It's not a case of if it happens but when it happens! Take a look at Karen's Replicator www.karenware.com - it can handle automatic backups of any size. We've even used it to copy over hard drive contents before reformatting them. There are enough good tools out there to use so not having a backup for any business is just plain crazy. -- Cheers, Anne Registered Linux user #345132 Flying high with The Bat! v2.04.7 on Xandros Desktop 2.0 - Linux Visit The Bat! Users' Unofficial Help Forum http://the-bat-forums.donzeigler.com Current version is 2.10.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: I have a problem..
Hello Richard, Monday, April 19, 2004, 9:00:57 AM, you wrote: RW Hello kaishaku, RW On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 you wrote in RW mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thought it is rather irrelevant, my latest backup for TB mail was all the way back in late summer 2003, primarily because it is such a large backup for me. I know some people will mention that, but I am not concerned with them. RW Incremental backups, that would save a lot of time and I'm sure there RW are many like you who have large message bases. I set Second copy to RW back up at night. I use Second Copy too. But I have it set to do a continuous back up (well, almost) every 20 mins and that includes my message base. Plus, I use the backup tool in TB once a week. In fact, everything I have on my hard disk is backed up to a firewire hard disk constantly. Storage is cheap and back up is *always* the answer. -- Best regards, Mike Current version is 2.10.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I have a problem..
Hello kaishaku, On Sun, 18 Apr 2004 you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Thought it is rather irrelevant, my latest backup for TB mail was all the way back in late summer 2003, primarily because it is such a large backup for me. I know some people will mention that, but I am not concerned with them. Incremental backups, that would save a lot of time and I'm sure there are many like you who have large message bases. I set Second copy to back up at night. The fact is TB has always been frail. As are all programmes at times, depending on what they are interacting with on a particular PC. TB is still frail. I think it's getting better and better and, although they are introducing lots of new features where I agree bugs should be a higher priority, the bugs are slowly going too (I think!) So, now I am really having problems and am about prepared to simply change the way in which I was using e-mail. This goes against my own principles as a computer user and programmer, to change myself because of software. I am just as much a TB user as the next guy, so I won't accept childish antagonistic replies telling me to just leave or dont use TB. Read what I have said and feel free to express similar feelings. Things do go wrong, for lots of people as the threads here and in TBETA show, but I've personally never had a really big crash or lost lots of mail (which I keep backed up anyway). Finally, if you have recommendations, let's hear them. This includes recommending e-mail clients for me to use instead. Well it seems that you have a bit of a problem with every mail client that you use. If TB is really that bad I can't understand why you are staying with it and why don't you just move to Becky. Those who do allow it are often revered and often have the best product anyway. That's it. I'm not a PC wizard but I've tried both Eudora and Becky and very quickly chose TB, warts and all, as it far outshines the others IMHO. Now, sincere recommendations? I look forward to your $200 offering but I don't think you'll get many takers as it'll have to be way better than TB (a very difficult thing in itself) which sells for a quarter of your projected price. -- Regards, Richard | Using The Bat! 2.10.01 SpamPal | Windows 2000 (build 2195), version 5.0 Service Pack 4 Current version is 2.10.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: I have a problem..
Hello tb, Sunday, April 18, 2004, 11:27:51 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... snip tko Finally, if you have recommendations, let's hear them. Backup! ... snip tko Now, sincere recommendations? I can't say it any more sincere than I've already stated. -- Best Regards, Greg Strong Using The Bat! v2.10.01 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 2.10.01 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Yes, I have a problem. I don't understand this. Have not seen the faenomen in any other group or mail, I have written. Hey, there is a problem with the alphabet in my cookies too. I will try to figure out, what happened.
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Re: Yes, I have a problem. I don't understand this. Have not seen the faenomen in any other group or mail, I have written. Hey, there is a problem with the alphabet in my cookies too. I will try to figure out, what happened.
@ 14:04:44 +0100 [ Sat, 5 Jan 2002], Britt Malka [BM] wrote these words of wisdom: ... BM X1xfXyxffF98X1xfXF9fLF98DQoNCg0KLi4uIEvWcmxpZ2hlZGVuIGjbcmVyIGFsZHJpZyBvcC4N BM Cg0KDQouLi4gd3d3Lm1hbGthLmRrIC4uLg== Something very strange is happening to your mail when you send it. If you have a copy of TB!, you had better use it until this is sorted out. -- ©Allie C Martin (_ List Moderator and fellow end user __) TB! v1.54 Beta/22 WinXP Home Ed. PGPKey: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=PGPPubKey1 ¯¯ -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Yes, I have a problem. I don't understand this. Have not seen the faenomen in any other group or mail, I have written. Hey, there is a problem with the alphabet in my cookies too. I will try to figure out, what happened.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi Britt, On 05 January 2002 at 14:04:44 [GMT+0100] (which was 13:04 where I live) Britt Malka wrote to Marck D Pearlstone and made these points: SGVqIE1hcmNrLA0KDQps23JkYWcsIGRlbiA1LiBqYW51YXIgMjAwMiwga2wuIDEzOjMxIHNrcmV2 IGR1Og0KDQpNRFA+IEFyZSB5b3UgaGF2aW5nIHNvbWUga2luZCBvZiBwcm9ibGVtPw0KDQoNCi0t IA0KDQpNZWQgdmVubGlnIGhpbHNlbg0KDQoNCg0KIHxcICAgIC98ICBfDQogfCBcX18vIHwgfF9f ICAgfCAgXyAgX3xvDQogXC8gICAgXC8gfChfKT48fF8oX3woX3x8DQogfCAgICAgIHwgIF9fXyAg ICAgXyBfICAgXyAgIF9fICBfXyAgICAgIF8gXw0KICBcXCAgLy8gIHwgXyApXyBfKF8pIHxffCB8 X3wgIFwvICB8X18gX3wgfCB8X19fXyBfDQogICBcICAvICAgfCBfIFwgJ198IHwgIF98ICBffCB8 XC98IC8gX2AgfCB8IC8gLyBfYCB8DQogICAgXC8gICAgfF9fXy9ffCB8X3xcX198XF9ffF98ICB8 X1xfXyxffF98X1xfXF9fLF98DQoNCg0KLi4uIEvWcmxpZ2hlZGVuIGjbcmVyIGFsZHJpZyBvcC4N Cg0KDQouLi4gd3d3Lm1hbGthLmRrIC4uLg== Very strange. Did you write to Max? You are using a slightly older beta of SB. I'll send you the URL for beta 15 off-list. I've been waiting for Max to announce an update before switching back from TB. - -- Cheers -- .\\arck D. Pearlstone -- List moderator ~~~ \ BrainStorm - free thinking - www: http://www.brainstormsw.com / \ PGP Key ID: 0x929DCDA0 | www: http://www.silverstones.com / · TB! v1.54 Beta/24-14F4B4B2 on Windows NT 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2 · -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (MingW32) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQE8Nv2KOeQkq5KdzaARAjh7AKCOfErxjBXTLXgpVVXmzet1is1GEACgoJ8f cIw5iQ8K/EbPr8+Y6+e5TW0= =f/3f -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: Yes, I have a problem. I don't understand this. Have not seen thefaenomen in any other group or mail, I have written. Hey,there is a problem with the alphabet in my cookies too. I will try to figureout, what happened.
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Om 14:04 op zaterdag 5 januari 2002, Britt Malka: SGVqIE1hcmNrLA0KDQps23JkYWcsIGRlbiA1LiBqYW51YXIgMjAwMiwga2wuIDEzOjMxIHNrcmV2 IGR1Og0KDQpNRFA+IEFyZSB5b3UgaGF2aW5nIHNvbWUga2luZCBvZiBwcm9ibGVtPw0KDQoNCi0t IA0KDQpNZWQgdmVubGlnIGhpbHNlbg0KDQoNCg0KIHxcICAgIC98ICBfDQogfCBcX18vIHwgfF9f ICAgfCAgXyAgX3xvDQogXC8gICAgXC8gfChfKT48fF8oX3woX3x8DQogfCAgICAgIHwgIF9fXyAg ICAgXyBfICAgXyAgIF9fICBfXyAgICAgIF8gXw0KICBcXCAgLy8gIHwgXyApXyBfKF8pIHxffCB8 X3wgIFwvICB8X18gX3wgfCB8X19fXyBfDQogICBcICAvICAgfCBfIFwgJ198IHwgIF98ICBffCB8 XC98IC8gX2AgfCB8IC8gLyBfYCB8DQogICAgXC8gICAgfF9fXy9ffCB8X3xcX198XF9ffF98ICB8 X1xfXyxffF98X1xfXF9fLF98DQoNCg0KLi4uIEvWcmxpZ2hlZGVuIGjbcmVyIGFsZHJpZyBvcC4N Cg0KDQouLi4gd3d3Lm1hbGthLmRrIC4uLg== just two suggestions: your charset is koi8-r, is that right? (a .dk person using a .ru charset?) and perhaps you have base64 encoding set? (account properties, transport, '8-bit characters are treated'). i've had this problem before, and it was that setting that got set. (not by me, by the elves that house in your computer :) set it to 'quoted-printable'. Mrten. -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: PGP 6.5i iQA/AwUBPDbzC0tQMadp+KslEQInMwCggGog883jZxJ7tubK/uMH96JGrAEAoN6n l8TR05OU/+BCFSkKwu4MSHxk =ZdRc -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Latest Vers: 1.53d FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com
Re: I have a problem with the bat.
I have tried the following: Connect to Internet using... dial up network connection checked, use existing connections checked, (these are my default setting for all three accts I have listed), I've checked and unchecked use acct. specific network settingswith out changing the above defaults. The accounts are listed as: xx with anumber to connect to xx """ "" " xx""" "" " the only difrence to any of the above are the access numbers and pass words, the acess numbers are for diffrent towns , so if my default number is busy or slow I have two other connections available. Pasquale On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 20:41:43 -0800, you wrote: Hello Pasquale, On Monday, February 21, 2000 at 23:37:16 GMT -0500 (which was 8:37 PM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: Hello TBUDL, If I have a connection already opened and start the bat, it shuts down the connection, and I have to reconnect again when the bat starts to open. This is getting very irritating to say the least. Under Options - Network and Administration, do you have 'Local Area Network or Manual Connection' selected? -- Thanks for writing Januk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: I have a problem with the bat.
Hi pasjfest, On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:41:07 -0500GMT (22/02/2000, 22:41 +0800GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: psn I have tried the following: psn Connect to Internet using... dial up network connection checked, use psn existing connections checked, (these are my default setting for all psn three accts I have listed), I've checked and unchecked use acct. psn specific network settingswith out changing the above defaults. psn The accounts are listed as: I think this is it: you do have "Use Account Specific..." checked under Account/Properties/Network, right? If so, uncheck this, and it should be fine. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.41 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: I have a problem with the bat.
On Wed, 23 Feb 2000 09:39:40 +0800, you wrote: Hi pasjfest, On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 09:41:07 -0500GMT (22/02/2000, 22:41 +0800GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: snip I think this is it: you do have "Use Account Specific..." checked under Account/Properties/Network, right? If so, uncheck this, and it should be fine. -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.41 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. No it's not checked at present, and it still happens., The only thing I can think of is that the program got corrupted when a virus was removed, yet this is the only program that gives the problem, Agent, Opera , news rover etc. all work fine. Pasqule -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: I have a problem with the bat.
Hi pasjfest, On Tue, 22 Feb 2000 23:02:23 -0500GMT (23/02/2000, 12:02 +0800GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: psn No it's not checked at present, and it still happens., The only thing psn I can think of is that the program got corrupted when a virus was psn removed, yet this is the only program that gives the problem, Agent, If you think that is the problem, why don't you just download TB again? -- Cheers, Thomas. Message reply created with The Bat! 1.41 Beta/3 under Chinese Windows 98 4.10 Build 1998 on a Pentium II/350 MHz. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
I have a problem with the bat.
Hello TBUDL, If I have a connection already opened and start the bat, it shuts down the connection, and I have to reconnect again when the bat starts to open. This is getting very irritating to say the least. -- Best regards, Pasquale mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: I have a problem with the bat.
Hello Pasquale, On Monday, February 21, 2000 at 23:37:16 GMT -0500 (which was 8:37 PM where I live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] typed: Hello TBUDL, If I have a connection already opened and start the bat, it shuts down the connection, and I have to reconnect again when the bat starts to open. This is getting very irritating to say the least. Under Options - Network and Administration, do you have 'Local Area Network or Manual Connection' selected? -- Thanks for writing Januk [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! 1.39 under Windows 98 4.10 Build A -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: I have a problem with the bat.
On Mon, 21 Feb 2000 23:37:16 -0500, Pasquale J. Festa Sr. wrote: If I have a connection already opened and start the bat, it shuts down the connection, and I have to reconnect again when the bat starts to open. This is getting very irritating to say the least. Go to Options|Network Administration, and ensure that you have "Use an existing dial-up connection (if any)" checked. -- CU, Allie ... Using The Bat! v1.39 *:* Windows NT5.0 --- ** The only good Mac is a big Mac! ** -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
