Dear Marck,
On 16:43 04.03.2004, you [Marck D Pearlstone] wrote...
So, spam is still not going to get through! I think they have it
covered pretty well.
Well, as I said, I dislike TDMA, but that's more of a personal
approach ;)
Absolutely!
Well, I think it's up to the mods. We might try?
Dear Marck,
On 21:51 03.03.2004, you [Marck D Pearlstone] wrote...
Have you checked out GMane? Are the flames about GMane. It seems to
answer all of the criticisms you raise.
http://www.gmane.org/
I checked there site. Well, we might try, allthough I dislike TDMA
stuf, especially in
Dear Johannes,
@4-Mar-2004, 16:01 +0100 (04-Mar 15:01 UK time) Johannes Posel [JP]
in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:
JP Honestly, we might still get spammed, because even with TDMA,
JP they forward mails to the real addresses, only that the spam is
JP addressed to the forwarding mail
Johannes,
On Wednesday, March 03, 2004, Johannes Posel wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
receive some spam at the address I use for public newsgroups, but
it's easily filtered; and I receive no spam from, and see no
spamming posts on, newsgroups on secure servers that require
On Tuesday, March 02, 2004, Dave Gorman wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
if TB is used as a news reader with MyGate or other such software,
then users may start demanding features which are more news reader
specific, therefore changing the focus of development away from
priorities more
Dear Allie,
On 11:52 01.03.2004, you [Allie Martin] wrote...
The news group will be simply a mirror or the mailing list and not a
Now this would be the *wrongest* thing to do! It combines the evils[1] of
both systems! Try to ask in Usenet about gates, and you will be flamed
:))
Cheers,
Dear Joseph,
On 17:26 03.03.2004, you [Joseph N.] wrote...
You're confusing newsgroups with the Usenet.
Actually I was not, I was just catching up mails slowly. At least in
de.*, there's a The Bat newsgroup (de.alt.comp.the-bat) alreadyl, so
that's where I was misleaded.
newsgroup can be
Dear Johannes,
@3-Mar-2004, 18:57 +0100 (03-Mar 17:57 UK time) Johannes Posel [JP]
in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Allie:
The news group will be simply a mirror or the mailing list and
not a
JP Now this would be the *wrongest* thing to do! It combines the
JP evils[1] of both systems! Try to
Hello Allie,
on Monday, March 1, 2004, 4:52:05 AM, Allie Martin wrote:
The news group will be simply a mirror or the mailing list and not a
separate entity. Messages on the news server will be only messages
sent to the mailing list. The news server mirror will be added as a
means for those
On Tuesday, March 2, 2004, 5:01:28 AM, Greg Strong wrote:
GS I don't know about that. I'm sure the moderators have specific
GS count. IIRC I've been on this list for two years. The volume has
GS ALWAYS been high.
People think this list is high-volume? I'm on lists that generate 300
posts per day
On Saturday, February 28, 2004, 6:00:39 PM, Allie wrote in message:
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
A Even moreso there's the concern for e-mail address harvesting by
A spammers.
This would be my major worry Allie, as it's extremely common to
have e-mail addies harvested from open newsgroups. I'd hate to
On Sunday, February 29, 2004, 11:08:33 AM, Marck wrote in message:
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
M I believe that Gmane uses a similar technology to our own list
M archive. Email addresses are obfuscated wherever they appear. None
M are published. See these:
They do on the web interface - I was there on
On Monday, March 1, 2004, 12:14:49 AM, Allie wrote in message:
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
A Both addresses in the mail text and addresses in the headers are
A encrypted.
But not by default Allie - it's something that has to be
specifically set up for the whole list by the admin for maximum
Dear Anne,
@2-Mar-2004, 08:54 Anne [A] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
A Both addresses in the mail text and addresses in the headers are
A encrypted.
A But not by default Allie - it's something that has to be
A specifically set up for the whole list by the admin for maximum
A protection.
...
Hello Greg,
Monday, March 1, 2004, 7:35:39 PM, you wrote:
What I don't want to see is a change of focus in development.
DG Granted, I've been skimming most of the posts in this thread after the
DG first several dozen, so maybe I missed something.
No, I don't think you missed much. I merely
Hello Anne,
On Tue, 2 Mar 2004 07:55:08 + GMT (02/03/2004, 14:55 +0700 GMT),
Anne wrote:
They do on the web interface - I was there on the Smoothwall ng a
few days back, and out of interest checked out how the e-mail
addies were shown. They appear encrypted on the list and when you
click
Hello Carsten,
On Mon, 01 Mar 2004 20:45:24 +0100 GMT (02/03/2004, 02:45 +0700 GMT),
Carsten Thönges wrote:
How about when posting to a mailing list which is mirrored in the
Usenet?
You mustn't confuse Gmane with Usenet. These are two different
things.
Please elaborate. Simply put, I
Tuesday, March 2, 2004, 10:45:59 AM, Thomas wrote:
You mustn't confuse Gmane with Usenet. These are two different
things.
TF Please elaborate. Simply put, I thought that what I access with NNTP
TF is the Usenet.
I'm not sure what the exact definition of Usenet is, but I think the
difference
Dear Joseph,
On 05:36 02.03.2004, you [Joseph N.] wrote...
receive some spam at the address I use for public newsgroups, but it's
easily filtered; and I receive no spam from, and see no spamming posts
on, newsgroups on secure servers that require authentication.
Sorry. It doesn't depend on
Martin Schneider, [MS] wrote:
MS So I would be sad if this mailing-list would be less in usage
MS because a newsgroup is available also for many beginners who are
MS glad to be able to write and receive a mail.
The news group will be simply a mirror or the mailing list and not a
separate entity.
On Monday, March 1, 2004, 10:52:05 AM, Allie Martin wrote:
AM The news group will be simply a mirror or the mailing list and not
AM a separate entity. Messages on the news server will be only
AM messages sent to the mailing list. The news server mirror will be
AM added as a means for those who
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JN I have preferred this ML format to a newsgroup format, but IMO the
JN volume of this list has now exceeded a busy person's ability to handle
JN it in mailing list format.
FWIW, I access news using TB! and MyGate so would see no change or
benefit
Dear Deborah,
@1-Mar-2004, 11:37 Deborah W [DW] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:
DW I can't really see what advantage NNTP has over the TBUDL archive.
DW It's not as though NNTP provides readability that some people don't
DW have - if you have internet access, you have a browser.
This is a far
Hello Martin,
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 22:22:52 -0600 GMT (01/03/2004, 11:22 +0700 GMT),
Martin Schneider wrote:
Well, for posting to Newsgroups I use an account of www.spammotel.com.
How about when posting to a mailing list which is mirrored in the
Usenet?
--
Cheers,
Thomas.
Moderator der
Hello Marck,
On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 12:14:53 + GMT (01/03/2004, 19:14 +0700 GMT),
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:
Any fear of posting is borne of irrationality and under education
:-).
Thanks for that.
--
Cheers,
Thomas.
Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste.
Der Angeklagte
Stuart Hemming wrote:
FWIW, I access news using TB! and MyGate so would see no change or
benefit from moving from a ML to NNTP.
You see no benefit since using TB! for news makes you lose all the news
specific functionality that you'd have at your disposal if you were to
use a specialized
Hello Deborah,
On Mon, 1 Mar 2004 11:37:58 + GMT (01/03/2004, 18:37 +0700 GMT),
Deborah W wrote:
I can't really see what advantage NNTP has over the TBUDL archive.
Well, I see a point: I cannot reply to postings when reading the
archive. But that's not my side of the fence...
--
Cheers,
Hello Martin,
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 21:53:58 -0600 GMT (01/03/2004, 10:53 +0700 GMT),
Martin Schneider wrote:
If others use a news2mail-gateway then anyway they use The Bat and it
doesn't make any difference if we use a mailing group or a newsgroup.
It does, because I use another email address
Hello Allie,
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 12:30:47 -0500 GMT (01/03/2004, 00:30 +0700 GMT),
Allie Martin wrote:
Sure, but one shouldn't force someone to join a mailing list if they
don't want. The best arrangement is one of choice.
A choice I would suggest is a seperate TB newsgroup rather than a
Hello MAU,
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 16:56:01 +0100 GMT (29/02/2004, 22:56 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:
I use MyGate as well. I would wish for an option in TB to not create
message ID. Account level would be fine for me, as I have a dedicated
account for NGs.
I don't quite understand what you mean, why
On Monday, March 1, 2004, 17:12:40, Allie Martin wrote:
There are a few yahoogroups lists that I no longer read since I'm really
not interested in most of the traffic and I can't be bothered with
downloading all those messages and having to mark most of the threads
read etc. just to find
Hello Thomas,
When you write a message, new or reply, TB will create a mid based on
the domain of the email address set up in your account properties. For
email, that is fine.
Right.
For newsgroups, however, the domain of the mid must belong to
yourself, or it must be given by the
On Monday, March 1, 2004, 17:39:48, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
For newsgroups, however, the domain of the mid must belong to
yourself, or it must be given by the receiving newsserver. There are
websites for the reasons, but I only know some in German, I am sure
somebody will help out with
* Thomas Fernandez writes:
Martin Schneider wrote:
Well, for posting to Newsgroups I use an account of www.spammotel.com.
How about when posting to a mailing list which is mirrored in the
Usenet?
You mustn't confuse Gmane with Usenet. These are two different
things.
Carsten
--
Hello Jernej,
The general rule is, that the domain must exist, but nothing critical
will happen if it doesn't.
I can confirm that it doesn't :)
--
Best regards,
Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
Using The Bat! v2.04.7
Current version
Hello Greg,
Monday, March 1, 2004, 5:30:20 PM, you wrote:
In my mind why would someone want to read about an email program
from a news reader?
I think Allie has covered answers to this. However, in my mind the
question is not so much why would they want to as it is why not let
them?
What I
Tuesday, March 2, 2004, Greg Strong wrote:
In my mind why would someone want to read about an email program from
a news reader?
Why not? Sometimes I learn about computer programs by interpreting black
figures attached to a piece of boiled, bleached and very dead tree. :-)
--
Urban
Magnet:
Tuesday, March 2, 2004, Greg Strong wrote:
In my mind why would someone want to read about an email program from
a news reader?
Why not? Sometimes I learn about computer programs by interpreting black
figures attached to a piece of boiled and very dead bleached tree.
--
Urban
Magnet:
Urban,
On Saturday, February 28, 2004, Urban wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
I agree. It is about an e-mail client after all...
U Totally agree with you Peter. It would be rather silly if TB* went
U NNTP: To get help on how to use mail, you first have to learn how to
U usenet...
I do not
Monday, March 1, 2004, Thomas Fernandez wrote:
There are websites for the reasons, but I only know some in German, I
am sure somebody will help out with English sites.
Haven't found any, but going to
http://sites.inka.de/ancalagon/fqdn/fqdn.php3 and filling in the form
was easy enough.
--
Monday, March 1, 2004, MAU wrote:
I can confirm that it doesn't
It could. You can't guarantee that it's unique, so there is a
possibility that someone generates a message that has the same
message-id as the one you sent.
--
Urban
Smoking kills. If you're killed, you've lost a very important
Monday, March 1, 2004, Jernej Simoni wrote:
if you register with individual.net, they let you use a certain domain
(forgot which one, you can read their FAQ)
No need to. It's ID-#.user.uni-berlin.de where # is your user-id.
--
Urban
Mushrooms always grow in damp places and so they
Hello Thomas,
Judging from the home page, you are a very good graphic designer, a
real artist I'd say. ;-)
That means you liked my flash introduction, right?
Thanks ;-)
--
Best regards,
Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
Using The Bat! v2.04.7
Hello Allie,
Shoe-horning is a loose way of saying that you go around the bend to
make something do what it isn't really designed to do.
OK, thanks for the explanation.
In this context you install MyGate and create sophisticated filters
that probably required some serious thought in their
Dear Thomas,
@29-Feb-2004, 13:12 +0700 (29-Feb 06:12 UK time) Thomas Fernandez
[TF] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:
... not on news groups that mask addresses. gmane does this and
even has options to dump all posts from specific people. So if we
were to echo to gmane, you could
On Sunday, February 29, 2004, 6:08 AM, you wrote:
... not on news groups that mask addresses. gmane does this and
even has options to dump all posts from specific people. So if we
were to echo to gmane, you could optionally not let your messages
appear there and your address would be
On Sunday, February 29, 2004, 12:10 AM, you wrote:
Oh boy! Am I getting old! I forgot that my Ignore function is already
described in a personal web. Go to www.rancho-k.com
TF Judging from the home page, you are a very good graphic designer, a
TF real artist I'd say. ;-)
I tried it in IE
Hello Paul,
I tried it in IE and Firefox, and all I got was 3 lines:
Miguel's TB Utilities
Thread Ignore function.
Manual Re-Thread function
That is all there is to it. You may get some popups because the page is
actually a personal one at Wanadoo and they have all kind of popups.
Paul Cartwright, [PC] wrote:
PC I think you have probably touched on the most serious security
PC issues with a newsgroup, so is there a downside to using Gmane?
The main downsides I can think of are the following:
a) It's a free service so we'll be at the mercy of the little things
that can go
On Sunday, February 29, 2004, 13:09:47, Allie Martin wrote:
c) When replying to posts, you'll have to reply to the list address
and not the news server since sending messages to the server will be
barred for security reasons.
AFAIK, GMane sends the newsgroup messages as if they originated
On Sunday, February 29, 2004, 7:03 AM, you wrote:
I tried it in IE and Firefox, and all I got was 3 lines:
Miguel's TB Utilities
Thread Ignore function.
Manual Re-Thread function
M That is all there is to it. You may get some popups because the page is
M actually a personal one at
Hello Allie,
Sunday, February 29, 2004, 6:09:47 AM, Allie Martin wrote:
AM b) Despite the reassurances, there'll likely be some who will not want
AM to have their posts mirrored to the server and archived there. They'll
AM be able to easily do so by including the X-No-Archive header in their
AM
Hello Allie,
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 07:09:47 -0500 GMT (29/02/2004, 19:09 +0700 GMT),
Allie Martin wrote:
PC If not, why can't it be setup and give it a try?
We thought we'd air the suggestion and see what happens over the
ensuing week. Thomas is the first who has raised strong objection.
We're
Hello MAU,
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:56:59 +0100 GMT (29/02/2004, 17:56 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:
Why? TB _is_ dealing with e-mail anyway, and it is not asked to do
anything that it can't do with normal e-mail from a mailing list.
MyGate, a separate program, not even a TB plugin, does all the nasty
Hello MAU,
On Sun, 29 Feb 2004 11:39:53 +0100 GMT (29/02/2004, 17:39 +0700 GMT),
MAU wrote:
Judging from the home page, you are a very good graphic designer, a
real artist I'd say. ;-)
That means you liked my flash introduction, right?
Well... no beer this time! ;-)
--
Cheers,
Thomas.
Greg Strong, [GS] wrote:
GS This maybe something I choose to do with TB to opt out. So make
GS sure you make the announcement if and when you go live.
Yes. We'll not be announcing that we have gone live. We'll be
announcing that we'll be going live and discussing how to add the
X-No-Archive
* Thomas Fernandez writes:
No thanks, I don't want this ML mirrored on the usenet and have this
email address burnt as well. I don't know how secure a secure
newsserver is and don't care to try.
(If you are talking about gmane ...)
Why don't you just visit gmane.org and read a bit ...?
This
* Allie Martin writes:
Paul Cartwright, [PC] wrote:
If not, why can't it be setup and give it a try?
We thought we'd air the suggestion and see what happens over the
ensuing week.
Why don't we start with TBTECH or TBDEV and see?
Carsten
--
Hi MAU,
on Sat, 28 Feb 2004 21:02:52 +0100GMT, you wrote:
I'll look for your post in eager anticipation! :-)
M Oh boy! Am I getting old! I forgot that my Ignore function is already
M described in a personal web. Go to www.rancho-k.com
Thanks a lot Miguel for the good idea of using PowerPro. I
On Sunday, February 29, 2004, 10:07 AM, you wrote:
If not, why can't it be setup and give it a try?
We thought we'd air the suggestion and see what happens over the
ensuing week.
CT Why don't we start with TBTECH or TBDEV and see?
because I'm not subscribed to those lists??G
--
Paul
Hello Thomas,
I use MyGate as well. I would wish for an option in TB to not create
message ID. Account level would be fine for me, as I have a dedicated
account for NGs.
I don't quite understand what you mean, why not create message ID?
--
Best regards,
Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial -
Hello Allie,
Sunday, February 29, 2004, 8:52:42 AM, Allie Martin wrote:
AM Those reading via NNTP will have to use their news client to reply.
AM However, they'll be sending their reply to the list address and not
AM the news server. References should be preserved in that way.
If references are
On Sunday, February 29, 2004, 11:04 AM, you wrote:
GS I subsequently learned that all I had to do
GS was put a dummy email address in Agent, and only provide the REAL email
GS address in the news server's authentication login which was never part
GS of the headers. Mind you this was after
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Hello Greg,
On 28 February 2004, 09:45 -0600 ( 15:45 local time) Greg Strong [GS] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
JN What do others think of managing the volume of this list?
GS No. TB is an email program, and being on a mail list facilitates
GS
Martin Webster, [MW] wrote:
MW I agree. I originally subscribed to the list because I wanted to
MW learn more about TB! Opting for a news group could deter new users
MW from joining our community.
Sure, but one shouldn't force someone to join a mailing list if they
don't want. The best
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Hello Allie,
On 29 February 2004, 12:30 -0500 ( 17:30 local time) Allie Martin [AM]
in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
AM These lists will always be available. We're simply considering
AM mirroring the posts to an NNTP server where those who wish to
Hello Allie,
Sunday, February 29, 2004, 11:35:58 AM, Allie Martin wrote:
AM The domain names within headers may be obfuscated as well.
^
key operative word
--
Best Regards,
Greg Strong
Using The Bat! v2.04.7 on
Roelof Otten, [RO] wrote:
AM Yes. We'll not be announcing that we have gone live. We'll be
AM announcing that we'll be going live and discussing how to add the
AM X-No-Archive header for those who wish to do so.
RO You mean like this?
I saw this in your message header:
X-No-Archive: yes
Yes!
On Saturday, February 28, 2004, Allie Martin wrote...
I'm wondering if they're properly informed of how that system deals
with their concerns of privacy and spamming.
Because you can get a spam bot to join a newsgroup, fetch say a months
worth of emails, and harvest away, while mailing list
Jonathan Angliss, [JA] wrote:
JA Because you can get a spam bot to join a newsgroup, fetch say a
JA months worth of emails, and harvest away, while mailing list
JA archives are a lot harder to work on, having to request many pages
JA usually. Just a thought :) The obfustication is done on the
JA
Hello Joseph,
on Saturday, February 28, 2004, 9:10:11 AM, Joseph N. wrote:
It would be easier to scan, store, read, and otherwise manage the
growing volume if it were on the Usenet. What do others think of
managing the volume of this list?
Why it would be easier to scan, stor, read and so
Hello Greg,
on Sunday, February 29, 2004, 10:04:01 AM, Greg Strong wrote:
I subsequently learned that all I had to do was put a dummy email
address in Agent, and only provide the REAL email address in the
news server's authentication login which was never part of the
headers. Mind you this
I have preferred this ML format to a newsgroup format, but IMO the
volume of this list has now exceeded a busy person's ability to handle
it in mailing list format. It would be easier to scan, store, read,
and otherwise manage the growing volume if it were on the Usenet. What
do others think of
Hello Joseph,
Saturday, February 28, 2004, 9:10:11 AM, Joseph N. wrote:
JN What do others think of managing the volume of this list?
No. TB is an email program, and being on a mail list facilitates
learning new features. This has been brought up several times in the
past, and has never gotten
Hi Joseph,
on Sat, 28 Feb 2004 09:10:11 -0600GMT, you wrote:
JN I have preferred this ML format to a newsgroup format, but IMO the
JN volume of this list has now exceeded a busy person's ability to handle
JN it in mailing list format. It would be easier to scan, store, read,
JN and otherwise
Hi Jurgen,
on Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:01:41 +0100GMT, you wrote:
I don't have a subscription including newsgroups... and the few
newsgroups servers that I was able to find don't have lots of stuff
on them... so I stopped with that.
Have a look at this one. It is for free after subscription.
Hello Joseph,
I have preferred this ML format to a newsgroup format, but IMO the
volume of this list has now exceeded a busy person's ability to handle
it in mailing list format. It would be easier to scan, store, read,
and otherwise manage the growing volume if it were on the Usenet. What
Hello Jurgen,
and the few newsgroups servers that I was able to find don't have lots
of stuff on them... so I stopped with that.
Have you tried http://news.cis.dfn.de/ ? Its one of the best.
--
Best regards,
Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
Using The Bat! v2.04.7
Winamp Playing: Kenny
Hello Peter,
Saturday, February 28, 2004, 10:14:27 AM, Peter Meyns wrote:
PM I even installed MyGate to use The Bat! for newsgroups too. :-)
When I'm reading newsgroups I read a news reader. TB is not a news
reader. At least not yet. I can see where this thread is going so I
might just as well
Hello Peter,
I don't have problems with it. Particularly with The Bat! it is so
easy to hit ctrl+shift+M to mark the whole thread read. I even
installed MyGate to use The Bat! for newsgroups too. :-)
One of these days I'm going to have to explain what I do to Ignore and
Watch threads. Works
Hello Peter,
I agree. It is about an e-mail client after all...
Why do Ritlabs and some people use and support a web forum then? TB is
not a web browser either, at least yet ;-)
--
Best regards,
Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
Using The Bat! v2.04.7
Winamp Playing: Jazzmasters -
Hello Greg,
When I'm reading newsgroups I read a news reader. TB is not a news
reader. At least not yet.
Aside of the protocols used, SMTP/POP or NNTP, what is the big
difference between a newsgroup and a mailing list? :)
--
Best regards,
Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
Using The Bat!
Hello Jurgen,
(But I still don't want the lists to appear there!)
OK with me. I have already said I don't really care.
--
Best regards,
Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
Using The Bat! v2.04.7
Winamp Playing: Aaron Neville - Can't Stop My Heart From Loving You
(Smoothjazz.com - The
Hi MAU,
on Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:31:15 +0100GMT, you wrote:
I agree. It is about an e-mail client after all...
M Why do Ritlabs and some people use and support a web forum then? TB is
M not a web browser either, at least yet ;-)
I really don't know. I have only come across this forum a couple
Hi MAU,
on Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:28:52 +0100GMT, you wrote:
M One of these days I'm going to have to explain what I do to Ignore and
M Watch threads. Works for both newsgroups and mailing lists :)
I'll look for your post in eager anticipation! :-)
--
Cheers
Peter
When we talk to God it's
[EMAIL PROTECTED] - [Samstag, 28. Februar 2004, 17:14:27]:
I don't have problems with it. Particularly with The Bat! it is so
easy to hit ctrl+shift+M to mark the whole thread read. I even
installed MyGate to use The Bat! for newsgroups too. :-)
Hi Peter,
OH-MY-GOD. Thank you so much for
Joseph N. wrote:
JN It would be easier to scan, store, read, and otherwise manage the
JN growing volume if it were on the Usenet. What do others think of
JN managing the volume of this list?
I welcome the idea. I prefer a newsgroup to a mailing list.
My newsreader is better equipped to handle
Shouldn't this be in the FAQ by now so we can just put it to rest?
--
-Mark Wieder
Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4
Current version is 2.04.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
MAU wrote:
Aside of the protocols used, SMTP/POP or NNTP, what is the big
difference between a newsgroup and a mailing list? :)
You're not using a true news client so the main differences aren't
apparent to you.
Two major differences come to mind:
a) When I wish to review newsgroup posts I
Hello Jurgen,
On Sat, 28 Feb 2004 17:01:41 +0100 GMT (28/02/2004, 23:01 +0700 GMT),
Jurgen Haug wrote:
and in addition I don't have a subscription including
newsgroups...
http://www.news.individual.de will give you a free subscription to the
newsserver at TU Berlin.
and the few newsgroups
Mark,
On Saturday, February 28, 2004, Mark Wieder wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:
MW Shouldn't this be in the FAQ by now so we can just put it to rest?
No, it shouldn't. See, in particular, the responses by Allie
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] and Frank de Bruin
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], both of whom
Dear Mau,
@28-Feb-2004, 17:31 +0100 (28-Feb 16:31 UK time) MAU [M] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Peter:
I agree. It is about an e-mail client after all...
M Why do Ritlabs and some people use and support a web forum then?
That's an easy one. Having a forum scores points on TUCOWS rating
* Joseph N. [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
I have preferred this ML format to a newsgroup format, but IMO the
volume of this list has now exceeded a busy person's ability to handle
it in mailing list format. It would be easier to scan, store, read,
and otherwise manage the growing volume if it
Marck D Pearlstone, [MDP] wrote:
MDP Although newsgroups have their benefits, I'm still reluctant to
MDP reflect the list that way while there is strong resistance. I
MDP don't see anyone threatening to leave *unless* it becomes a
MDP newsgroup or gains a newsgroup echo. So a mailing list it will
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:
MDP Although newsgroups have their benefits, I'm still reluctant to
MDP reflect the list that way while there is strong resistance. I don't
MDP see anyone threatening to leave *unless* it becomes a newsgroup or
MDP gains a newsgroup echo. So a mailing list it will stay
Dear Fj,
@28-Feb-2004, 19:02 +0100 (28-Feb 18:02 UK time) Frank J de Bruin
[FDB] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:
MDP anyone threatening to leave *unless* it becomes a newsgroup or
MDP ... a mailing list it will stay for the present and for the
MDP foreseeable future...
FDB Threatening
On Saturday, February 28, 2004, 18:47:41, Marck D Pearlstone wrote:
Although newsgroups have their benefits, I'm still reluctant to
reflect the list that way while there is strong resistance. I don't
see anyone threatening to leave *unless* it becomes a newsgroup or
gains a newsgroup echo. So
Dear Jernej,
@28-Feb-2004, 19:22 +0100 (28-Feb 18:22 UK time) Jernej Simoni
[JS] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:
JS Have you looked at http://gmane.org ?
Yes I have. And someone put TBUDL up there once before. And people
left and complained very loudly. So we removed TBUDL from gmane.
Marck D Pearlstone wrote:
FDB Threatening to leave is not a very strong argument, is it?
MDP Of course it is - when it's existing members saying no to a
MDP newsgroup. It's called not alienating the existing user base.
MDP Threatening to leave if a certain change *does* take place is a fair
MDP
Hello Marck,
That's an easy one. Having a forum scores points on TUCOWS rating
system.
I didn't know that.
It's still rubbish though.
I only looked at it once when I learnt about it, and never again.
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Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
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