Re: Upgraded from Dial-Up to DSL, TB Knocked Out - (Sent by Webmail)
Hello jmtb, On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 02:42:21 + GMT (06/09/2005, 09:42 +0700 GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: . . . If, in addition, his email provider also offers SSL, this has nothing to do with whether he connects via dial-up or broadband. jan Sadly, it does. ATT insists upon it a secure connection for jan broadband, whereas they do not for dial-up. It's an extra jan defense against spammers using their system, they say. Well. In that case, you need to switch to SSL in addition to what I recommended. Hope all of your email prviders support that. -- Cheers, Thomas. News article: A hole has been found in the fence surrounding the Happydale Nudist Colony. Police are looking into it. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.61.02 beta under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgraded from Dial-Up to DSL, TB Knocked Out - (Sent by Webmail)
Hello jmtb, On Tue, 06 Sep 2005 02:34:08 + GMT (06/09/2005, 09:34 +0700 GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jan ATT -- worldnet.att.net -- requires these port setting for DSL. It also jan requires a secure connection through SSL. (I'm hoping, when I jan upgrade, that it will accept TLS I saw some message of your posted with a TB v2 version. So you seem have to figured it out. If you cheated and posted those messages with dial-up (I didn't check), you might have to upgrade TB to comply with ATT's policy. -- Cheers, Thomas. Sorry, Officer, I didn't realize my radar detector wasn't plugged in. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.61.02 beta under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgraded from Dial-Up to DSL, TB Knocked Out - (Sent by Webmail)
jmtb- If all you need is TLS, then you should be OK. I'm using roughly the same vintage and I can connect to my gmail account using TLS. OTOH I seem to remember some TLS problems with some earlier versions, so this may or may not work out. My settings are: SMTP: secure to regular port (STARTTLS) : 587 Perform SMTP authentication: RFC 2554 Use settings of mail retrieval Use POP before SMTP authentication POP: secure to dedicated port (TLS) : 995 authentication : regular Other than that, try installing stunnel. -- -Mark Wieder Using The Bat! v1.63 Beta/7 on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgraded from Dial-Up to DSL, TB Knocked Out - (Sent by Webmail)
Hallo Jerrold, On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 02:53:56 +GMT (5-9-2005, 4:53 +0200, where I live), you wrote: JM I upgraded from my dial-up connection (worldnet.att.net) to DSL JM with the same ISP. Everything works fine -- except for TB. It JM won't connect. I'm using TB version 148e, which has been doing JM just fine for me, sorting and handling all incoming and outgoing JM corresondece flawlessly, along with my 50K archived message. Did until now, that is. 1.48e is rather an oldie. You should upgrade to 1.62, that's running under the same license that you've got now and it's still available for download at the Ritlabs site: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/download.php JM I changed outgoing port settings from 25 to 465, incoming from JM 110 to 995, as instructed, fussed with all other of what seemed to JM be reasonable possibilities, with the best guesses of ATT tech JM support, which doesn't know TB. That support seems baffled that JM there is no SSL setting in this version of TB These days TB has got TLS, but I really don't know when that got implemented, my best guess is to try 1.62, that was the Christmas release for 2002 and is therefore about two years more recent than 1.48e (I'm not absolutely sure about that time, only thing I know for sure was that 1.53d was current on 4 Sepetember 2001) And that's quite some development time. -- Groetjes, Roelof Say it with flowers. Give her a Triffid The Bat! 3.61.02 beta Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN OTFE enabled P4 3GHz 2 GB RAM pgpygEcJQFkGa.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
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Hallo Jerrold, On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 02:53:56 +GMT (5-9-2005, 4:53 +0200, where I live), you wrote: JM (Webmail is agonizing.) JM Many thanks. JM Jerry JM JM Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: moderator Note: This moderator's interjection is a note to all readers and not just to the person being replied to, even if their post may have instigated this reply. Please don't feel singled out Jerrold. ' Please include a signature delimiter in your messages. This consists of a dashdashspacereturn, i.e., a '-- ' by itself on a line. This allows your readers, when replying, to quote your text without the signature and list footers since everything below and including the sig delimiter is excluded when quoting. You can easily automate this process by including the sig delimiter in your templates. Even if you barely have a signature to speak of, that doesn't make any difference to whether or not you need a cut mark. You are being courteous to other readers since at least three lines of text is added to your signature by the list server. To find out why these MOD messages are posted to the list instead of private mail, please read the welcome message you received when you subscribed. Thank you. /moderator -- Groetjes, Roelof Death to all moderators..AAACK!!!...W$%x NO CARRIER pgptkMvacFKC6.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgraded from Dial-Up to DSL, TB Knocked Out - (Sent by Webmail)
Hello Jerry, On Mon, 05 Sep 2005 02:53:56 + GMT (05/09/2005, 09:53 +0700 GMT), [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: jan I upgraded from my dial-up connection (worldnet.att.net) to DSL jan with the same ISP. Everything works fine -- except for TB. It jan won't connect. I read that you now connect using your DSL connection instead of dial-up. This is the way you connect to the internet per se. DSL = Digital Subscriber Line. jan I changed outgoing port settings from 25 to 465, incoming from jan 110 to 995, as instructed, This has to do with SSL, which is a secure protocol. It actually has nothing to do with whether you connect via dial-up or DSL. Change the ports back to 110 and 25. SSL = Secure Socket Layer. In the main menu, go to Options / Network Administration. Your setting shows Dial-Up, you need to switch it to LAN or manual connection. -- Cheers, Thomas. 13. Los Angeles's full name is El Pueblo de Nuestra Senora la Reina de los Angeles de Porciuncula and can be abbreviated to 3.63% of its size,L.A. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.61.02 beta under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgraded from Dial-Up to DSL, TB Knocked Out - (Sent by Webmail)
Hello Greg, On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 09:43:37 -0500 GMT (05/09/2005, 21:43 +0700 GMT), Greg Strong wrote: In the main menu, go to Options / Network Administration. Your setting shows Dial-Up, you need to switch it to LAN or manual connection. GS You're probably correct on this I hope so, because this was the solution for me when I switched from dial-up to broadband back in Taiwan. That was a cable connection, not DSL, but I would think it's the same issue here. GS as well as changing the 'connection' type to one of the 'TLS' GS options. That has to do with the email provider, not the internet connection. Many email providers (such as GMX) provide both plain as well as secure access. Since the plain access worked with his dial-up, it should work with broadband as well. If, in addition, his email provider also offers SSL, this has nothing to do with whether he connects via dial-up or broadband. -- Cheers, Thomas. Things You Would Never Know Without the Movies: A detective can only solve a case once he has been fired from his job. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.61.02 beta under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgraded from Dial-Up to DSL, TB Knocked Out - (Sent by Webmail)
Hello Greg, On Mon, 5 Sep 2005 10:33:48 -0500 GMT (05/09/2005, 22:33 +0700 GMT), Greg Strong wrote: GS Well according to the original message it seems that the provider's GS support was asking about SSL. See quote below: GS ,- [ per GS mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] GS | That support seems baffled that there is no SSL setting in this version GS | of TB (at least that I can find), which seems to be required in order for TB GS | to work with ATT DSL. GS `- Please don't use boxquoting. It messes up everything. However, I think the OP was confused about DSL and SSL. -- Cheers, Thomas. Things You Would Never Know Without the Movies: When foreigners are alone, they all prefer to speak English to each other. Message reply created with The Bat! 3.61.02 beta under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgraded from Dial-Up to DSL, TB Knocked Out - (Sent by Webmail)
That support seems baffled that there is no SSL setting in this version of TB (at least that I can find), which seems to be required in order for TB to work with ATT DSL. The fact that you do not have SSL may be the problem. Is the SSL the required connection type? It is the problem. Yes, it is a required connection type. You have obviously been a TB user for some time with 1.48e. It sounds like you have already looked in Account | Properties (Shft+Ctrl+P). I don't know if UI is still the same in v3, but under 'Transport' you should have a drop down list box for 'Connection'. If there is no 'SSL' option is there a 'TLS' option? Unfortunately, there is neither an SSL nor a TLS option there, not in TB 1.48e, anyway. So if you do not have either as a connection option, I would upgrade. Anyhow it is about time. Thanks for the try. While 1.48e has been doing everything I need and want it to till now, I don't at all mind upgrading -- assuming I get the upgrade to work with DSL connection, and assuming I can migrate all my sorting rules, folder structures, and 50K of archived messages, about 40% of which are business related and which I need. I understand that I have to move everything to midway version that will act as interface between what I now have and more recent versions. As I said, I don't really need any more functionality than I already had in TB, and down want to get into problematic upgrades. Anyone recommend a particularly stable and bug free version? Many thanks. -- Be well, Jerry Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgraded from Dial-Up to DSL, TB Knocked Out - (Sent by Webmail)
Mark, If all you need is TLS, then you should be OK. I'm using roughly the same vintage and I can connect to my gmail account using TLS. OTOH I seem to remember some TLS problems with some earlier versions, so this may or may not work out. My settings are: SMTP: secure to regular port (STARTTLS) : 587 Perform SMTP authentication: RFC 2554 Use settings of mail retrieval Use POP before SMTP authentication POP: secure to dedicated port (TLS) : 995 authentication : regular 1.48.e doesn't have an option under SMTP or POP either for SSL or TLS. Going to have to move closer up to the present. Other than that, try installing stunnel. Will probably try Stunnel before moving up. If I can get the old version to work via Stunnel, then that will probably indicate that a new version, incorporating TLS, will work.r -- Be well, Jerry Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgraded from Dial-Up to DSL, TB Knocked Out - (Sent by Webmail)
Roelof, Thank you. The web-based email I'm using won't quote any of your message, so I'm pasting a bit. 1.48e is rather an oldie. You should upgrade to 1.62, that's running under the same license that you've got now and it's still available for download at the Ritlabs site: http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/download.php I'll experiment with Stunnel first, then give 1.62 a try. (*Something* has to work; can't take much more of this webmail.) -- Be well, Jerry Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgraded from Dial-Up to DSL, TB Knocked Out - (Sent by Webmail)
Thomas, Thank you. DSL = Digital Subscriber Line. Yes. jan I changed outgoing port settings from 25 to 465, incoming from jan 110 to 995, as instructed, This has to do with SSL, which is a secure protocol. It actually has nothing to do with whether you connect via dial-up or DSL. Change the ports back to 110 and 25. ATT -- worldnet.att.net -- requires these port setting for DSL. It also requires a secure connection through SSL. (I'm hoping, when I upgrade, that it will accept TLS SSL = Secure Socket Layer. Yes. In the main menu, go to Options / Network Administration. Your setting shows Dial-Up, you need to switch it to LAN or manual connection. Tried it. Didn't work. Thanks for the suggestion. -- Be well, Jerry Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgraded from Dial-Up to DSL, TB Knocked Out - (Sent by Webmail)
You're probably correct on this as well as changing the 'connection' type to one of the 'TLS' options. 1) Secure to dedicated port (TLS) 2) Secure to regular port (STARTTLS) Indeed, this might well work -- if 1.48e had a (TLS) or (STARTTLS) option. It doesn''t though. Ah, well. -- Be well, Jerry Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgraded from Dial-Up to DSL, TB Knocked Out - (Sent by Webmail)
. . . If, in addition, his email provider also offers SSL, this has nothing to do with whether he connects via dial-up or broadband. Sadly, it does. ATT insists upon it a secure connection for broadband, whereas they do not for dial-up. It's an extra defense against spammers using their system, they say. -- Be well, Jerry Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgraded from Dial-Up to DSL, TB Knocked Out - (Sent by Webmail)
However, I think the OP was confused about DSL and SSL. No, I wasn't. I wish the answer were that simple. -- Be well, Jerry Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Upgraded from Dial-Up to DSL, TB Knocked Out - (Sent by Webmail)
However, I think the OP was confused about DSL and SSL. Possibly. They haven't replied since the original post, so your guess is as good as mine. Current circumstances prevent me from answering as frequently as I would like, or in a more timely fashion. -- Be well, Jerry Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Upgraded from Dial-Up to DSL, TB Knocked Out - (Sent by Webmail)
Hi, I upgraded from my dial-up connection (worldnet.att.net) to DSL with the same ISP. Everything works fine -- except for TB. It won't connect. I'm using TB version 148e, which has been doing just fine for me, sorting and handling all incoming and outgoing corresondece flawlessly, along with my 50K archived message. Did until now, that is. I changed outgoing port settings from 25 to 465, incoming from 110 to 995, as instructed, fussed with all other of what seemed to be reasonable possibilities, with the best guesses of ATT tech support, which doesn't know TB. That support seems baffled that there is no SSL setting in this version of TB (at least that I can find), which seems to be required in order for TB to work with ATT DSL. (I tried checkiing the MD5APOP Challenge/Response (RFC-1734) option under Properties Transport Receive Mail Authentication, but that didn't do anything.) Anyone have a solution? (Webmail is agonizing.) Many thanks. Jerry Current version is 3.60.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
