Re: Why am I finding BayesIt so difficult?
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 18:59:50 +0100, Roelof Otten wrote: You're experiencing other problems than I did. 0.7.3 didn't work for me and a clean install of 0.8.0 works. Don't you just love computers! I've since re-applied 0.8.0 now that I've got the dictionaries created. I was having a look at the Bayesit log file and I noticed that after every use of TheBat! I was getting: 17.02.2005 15:03:46 Current recalculation session is interrupted. When I use TheBat! to check my email I'll start the program to download the mail and if there is nothing of interest I'll junk the Spam and close the program down. Normally this doesn't take longer a minute thanks to my ADSL connection. Could this be that this isn't sufficient time for Bayesit to retrain and rewrite the dictionaries as a background operation? And, if it isn't could this be an area of the program that needs revising? After all, I can't be the only person that uses TheBat! in this way? ;-) -- Best regards Barry Using TheBat! version 3.0.1.33 and BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release (again) Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Why am I finding BayesIt so difficult?
Hi Well, this is my 3rd and last attempt to get BayesIt to work. I guess I've wasted enough time with it now. I removed all traces of BayesIt from my install 'cos it just wasn't working, despite it having over 1,000 spam mails to train on which I had downloaded from TheBatWorld web site. I reckoned that these along with my 1500 good emails was enough training material for anyone! Having a clean install I now find that BayesIt is complaining that the dictionaries are either corrupt or not there. Well its right on that one; they aren't there! But surely on a new install Bayesit should create two blank dictionaries? So what gives? At the moment I have reinstalled, tried to train with 1000 Spams and 1500 good mails, but Bayesit complains that there are no dictionaries. Any suggestions most gratefully received. -- Best regards Barry Using TheBat! version 3.0.1.33 and BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why am I finding BayesIt so difficult?
Hallo Barry, On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 12:58:46 +GMT (17-2-2005, 13:58 +0100, where I live), you wrote: B Having a clean install I now find that BayesIt is complaining that the B dictionaries are either corrupt or not there. B Well its right on that one; they aren't there! B But surely on a new install Bayesit should create two blank dictionaries? Did you tell BayesIt where it should store its stuff? Options - Preferences - Anti-spam - BayesIt - Configure - Options -- Groetjes, Roelof It is meaningless to speak of domesticating a child. The Bat! 3.0.2.10 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgp8vc8iWic5z.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why am I finding BayesIt so difficult?
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:16:58 +0100, Roelof Otten wrote: Did you tell BayesIt where it should store its stuff? Options - Preferences - Anti-spam - BayesIt - Configure - Options Hi Roelof Yes I did, and that's what I'm finding so frustrating. I think I am doing everything as I should but it just doesn't want to work. The first time I was told by Marck that there wasn't enough spam in the dictionary for it to work. OK, I accepted that that was why the mails were only getting a score of 0. The second time I came across the BatWorld spam message files so I tried them that gave me over a 1000 spam mails plus over a 1000 of my own good mails to train it with. Then everything was being scored 99! I don't like being beaten so I decided to try again with a clean install but now I don't appear to have any dictionaries. Mail Washer Pro is beginning to look very attractive! :-) -- Best regards Barry Using TheBat! version 3.0.1.33 and BayesIt! 0.8.0 Release Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why am I finding BayesIt so difficult?
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 at 14:24:45 +, Barry wrote: B I don't like being beaten so I decided to try again with a clean install B but now I don't appear to have any dictionaries. B Mail Washer Pro is beginning to look very attractive! :-) I'm not so impressed with BayesIt right now either. Doesn't seem to do a thing. I'm trying out Bayes Filter ATM though. -- Best regards, David Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Why am I finding BayesIt so difficult?
Hello Barry, On Thursday, February 17, 2005 at 14:24:45 GMT + (which was 15:24:45 where I live), Barry wrote and made these valuable points on the subject of Why am I finding BayesIt so difficult?: On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:16:58 +0100, Roelof Otten wrote: Did you tell BayesIt where it should store its stuff? Options - Preferences - Anti-spam - BayesIt - Configure - Options Mail Washer Pro is beginning to look very attractive! :-) Also have a look at Spambayes. I switched to it after having a lot or problems with BayesIT and/or spammails were not flagged as such, even after a considerable training. The so called Nigeria emails were never flagged while with Spambayes I trained it with just 5 Nigeria emails and never another Nigeria email, despite the phantasy used by the senders, ended up in my Inbox. -- Best regards, Dick ___ Conservative: Someone who wants to keep what the liberals fought for a generation before. Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why am I finding BayesIt so difficult?
I'm not so impressed with BayesIt right now either. Doesn't seem to do a thing. Same here - I've been training it for months now with hundreds and thousands lots of good emails and spam emails, but to no avail. Kind regards, Anselm -- Anselm Buehling - Translations EN/RU DE [EMAIL PROTECTED] +49 30 6950 4870 |phone +49 30 6950 4898 |fax +49 176 2322 4331 |mobile Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why am I finding BayesIt so difficult?
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:24:45 +, Barry wrote: On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:16:58 +0100, Roelof Otten wrote: Did you tell BayesIt where it should store its stuff? Options - Preferences - Anti-spam - BayesIt - Configure - Options Hi Roelof Yes I did, and that's what I'm finding so frustrating. I think I am doing everything as I should but it just doesn't want to work. The first time I was told by Marck that there wasn't enough spam in the dictionary for it to work. OK, I accepted that that was why the mails were only getting a score of 0. The second time I came across the BatWorld spam message files so I tried them that gave me over a 1000 spam mails plus over a 1000 of my own good mails to train it with. Then everything was being scored 99! I don't like being beaten so I decided to try again with a clean install but now I don't appear to have any dictionaries. Mail Washer Pro is beginning to look very attractive! :-) OK There's definitely a problem with 0.8.0 I reinstalled 0.7.3, and after training both spam and nonspam dictionaries were created. 0.8.0 does *not* do this! So I've trained up with a 1000 spam and 1000 nonspam mails, so let's see how 0.7.3 gets on. Fingers crossed, but I'm sceptical. ;-) -- Best regards Barry Using TheBat! version 3.0.1.33 and BayesIt! 0.7.3 Release Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why am I finding BayesIt so difficult?
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:24:45 +, Barry wrote: On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 14:16:58 +0100, Roelof Otten wrote: Did you tell BayesIt where it should store its stuff? Options - Preferences - Anti-spam - BayesIt - Configure - Options Hi Roelof Yes I did, and that's what I'm finding so frustrating. I think I am doing everything as I should but it just doesn't want to work. The first time I was told by Marck that there wasn't enough spam in the dictionary for it to work. OK, I accepted that that was why the mails were only getting a score of 0. The second time I came across the BatWorld spam message files so I tried them that gave me over a 1000 spam mails plus over a 1000 of my own good mails to train it with. Then everything was being scored 99! I don't like being beaten so I decided to try again with a clean install but now I don't appear to have any dictionaries. Mail Washer Pro is beginning to look very attractive! :-) OK There's definitely a problem with 0.8.0 I reinstalled 0.7.3, and after training both spam and nonspam dictionaries were created. 0.8.0 does *not* do this! So I've trained up with a 1000 spam and 1000 nonspam mails, so let's see how 0.7.3 gets on. Fingers crossed, but I'm sceptical. ;-) -- Best regards Barry Using TheBat! version 3.0.1.33 and BayesIt! 0.7.3 Release Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why am I finding BayesIt so difficult?
Hello David, A reminder of what David Calvarese on TBUDL typed on: 17 February 2005 at 15:32:23 GMT +0100 DC I'm not so impressed with BayesIt right now either. Doesn't seem to DC do a thing. I'm trying out Bayes Filter ATM though. It used to work here but for some reason it doesn't work at all now despite the fact it has in excess of 10,000 mail to work with. It never has worked properly without an exceptional amount of effort. -- Best regards,Tony. _ Message composed on 17/02/2005 at 17:38 UTC 2004 - AWB Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on :gentoo: www.gentoo.org PGP Key http://www.theboomclan.com/pgp.txt smime.p7s Description: S/MIME Cryptographic Signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why am I finding BayesIt so difficult?
On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 at 17:40:56 +, Tony Boom wrote: TB A reminder of what David Calvarese on TBUDL typed on: TB 17 February 2005 at 15:32:23 GMT +0100 DC I'm not so impressed with BayesIt right now either. Doesn't seem to DC do a thing. I'm trying out Bayes Filter ATM though. TB It used to work here but for some reason it doesn't work at all now despite the TB fact it has in excess of 10,000 mail to work with. TB It never has worked properly without an exceptional amount of effort. Bayes Filter seems to be working already for me, with just the stuff I have on hand to train it with. -- Best regards, David Using The Bat! v3.0.2.10 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why am I finding BayesIt so difficult?
Hallo Barry, On Thu, 17 Feb 2005 17:36:26 +GMT (17-2-2005, 18:36 +0100, where I live), you wrote: B There's definitely a problem with 0.8.0 B I reinstalled 0.7.3, and after training both spam and nonspam dictionaries B were created. B 0.8.0 does *not* do this! You're experiencing other problems than I did. 0.7.3 didn't work for me and a clean install of 0.8.0 works. -- Groetjes, Roelof It is hard to believe that even his friends like him. The Bat! 3.0.2.10 Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 1 pop3 account, server on LAN pgp63jNZMirUo.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 3.0.1.33 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
