Re: Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)
On Fri, 28 Aug 2009 21:54:34 +0700, Thomas Fernandez thomas.gm...@gmx.net wrote: Hello Bill, On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:25:01 -0700 GMT (28/Aug/09, 13:25 PM +0700 GMT), Bill McQuillan wrote: I didn't even know that, but it will make Bill happy. :-) BM It might if v2.11 had such an option! :-) Ah, forgot about your version number. Sorry. BM Regardless, there are many other reasons I prefer the Windows editor. And BM for the issue of not wrapping the final output when I send, when I am BM finished editing and proofing a message, I quickly switch to the MicroEd, BM apply Alt-L as necessary, switch back to Windows and send it! Works for me. BM BM In fact I did just that with this message! Wow, that's a new way of taking the best of both editors! Have your cake and eat it too? No offense, but that is ridiculous. I'd prefer the developers to fix any inconsistencies/problems with the editors so such things don't need to take place. But I seem to be alone on that. Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)
On Thu, 2009-08-27, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Hello MFPA, On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:09:37 +0100 GMT (28/Aug/09, 2:09 AM +0700 GMT), MFPA wrote: If you prefer to the Windows standard then (no, I'm not going to say use the Windows editor g) you can hit the End key. It will place the cursor behind the last character as you desire. M Or you could remove the tick from Free caret positioning at M Options | Preferences | Viewer/Editor | Editor preferences | M MicroEd-specific options. (-; I didn't even know that, but it will make Bill happy. :-) It might if v2.11 had such an option! :-) Regardless, there are many other reasons I prefer the Windows editor. And for the issue of not wrapping the final output when I send, when I am finished editing and proofing a message, I quickly switch to the MicroEd, apply Alt-L as necessary, switch back to Windows and send it! Works for me. In fact I did just that with this message! -- Bill McQuillan bill.mcquil...@pobox.com Using The Bat! 2.11 on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600-Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)
Hello Bill, On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 23:25:01 -0700 GMT (28/Aug/09, 13:25 PM +0700 GMT), Bill McQuillan wrote: I didn't even know that, but it will make Bill happy. :-) BM It might if v2.11 had such an option! :-) Ah, forgot about your version number. Sorry. BM Regardless, there are many other reasons I prefer the Windows editor. And BM for the issue of not wrapping the final output when I send, when I am BM finished editing and proofing a message, I quickly switch to the MicroEd, BM apply Alt-L as necessary, switch back to Windows and send it! Works for me. BM BM In fact I did just that with this message! Wow, that's a new way of taking the best of both editors! Have your cake and eat it too? -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.10.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)
Hi On Friday 28 August 2009 at 7:25:01 AM, in mid:469231774.20090827232...@pobox.com, Bill McQuillan wrote: Regardless, there are many other reasons I prefer the Windows editor. And for the issue of not wrapping the final output when I send, when I am finished editing and proofing a message, I quickly switch to the MicroEd, apply Alt-L as necessary, switch back to Windows and send it! Works for me. What is the advantage of switching back to the Windows editor to send it? -- Best regards MFPA There is no job so simple that it cannot be done wrong Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)
Hi On Thursday 27 August 2009 at 8:53:46 PM, in mid:369449679.20090827215...@nosuchdomain.com, Peter Meyns wrote: This is a good one for April fools! :D Not sure I understand how it would be good for April Fools, since that setting really exists and has that functionality. -- Best regards MFPA He's an environmentalist - his arguments are 100% recycled Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)
On Fri, 2009-08-28, MFPA wrote: Hi On Friday 28 August 2009 at 7:25:01 AM, in mid:469231774.20090827232...@pobox.com, Bill McQuillan wrote: Regardless, there are many other reasons I prefer the Windows editor. And for the issue of not wrapping the final output when I send, when I am finished editing and proofing a message, I quickly switch to the MicroEd, apply Alt-L as necessary, switch back to Windows and send it! Works for me. What is the advantage of switching back to the Windows editor to send it? None, really. However, it appeases my OCD and lets me see that the portions of the message, like quotes, that I did not reformat are still the way I wanted them. Oh, and I don't actually always do it! :-) -- Bill McQuillan bill.mcquil...@pobox.com Using The Bat! 2.11 on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600-Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)
On Wed, 2009-08-26, AC wrote: For the Windows editor that you mentioned above, try this and tell me if it works: --start a new email message (make sure it's in the Windows editor mode) --copy a paragraph of text from somewhere else (internet, etc.) --Go back to the email, and right-click and paste as quotation You will see that the even thought the text gets pasted with the symbol, the color doesn't automatically change to the quote color setting. Now if you do the same in Microed, the color changes immediately (very nice). If it were not for that and other other similar coloring issues, I'd probably just use teh Windows editor. test I tried that with a multi-line quote, both with a right click and the paste as quotation menu selection. Both ways pasted in with leading and colored as a quote. Oddly, when I then deleted the leading of one line the color stayed the same even when I added and deleted several levels (e.g., ). I have also noticed that when I edit a quote (trim it down) sometimes if I start entering test right after the quote, my new text is in the quote color even though it has no leading . For example I just put the cursor after the period after the word editor at the end of the quote above and typed enterentertest and as I look at it now the word test is the color of quoted text! I guess that I don't find the misleading colors as annoying as I do that in MicroEd I cannot click somewhere out to the right of a line and have the cursor appear just after the last character on that line. Also note that I am using a fairly ancient version the Windows editor (2.11) so that may be a factor too. Oh well, no accounting for taste. Best of luck, -- Bill McQuillan bill.mcquil...@pobox.com Using The Bat! 2.11 on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600-Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)
Hello Bill, On Wed, 26 Aug 2009 23:18:09 -0700 GMT (27/Aug/09, 13:18 PM +0700 GMT), Bill McQuillan wrote: BM I guess that I don't find the misleading colors as annoying as I do that in BM MicroEd I cannot click somewhere out to the right of a line and have the BM cursor appear just after the last character on that line. That's actually a feature, it's called free caret and allows you to put the cursor anywhere on the screen and start typing there. Some people like it. If you prefer to the Windows standard then (no, I'm not going to say use the Windows editor g) you can hit the End key. It will place the cursor behind the last character as you desire. BM Also note that I am using a fairly ancient version the Windows editor BM (2.11) so that may be a factor too. MicroEd hasn't changed since v1.x, except for UTF support added at some time. BM Oh well, no accounting for taste. That's indeed the beauty of TB!: I don't know of any other email client that gives you the choice. (I do think I had a choice of editors under unix, but that was sometime in the last century.) -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.10.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)
Hi On Thursday 27 August 2009 at 5:52:00 PM, in mid:12910141720.20090827235...@thomas-bkk.my-fqdn.de, Thomas Fernandez wrote: If you prefer to the Windows standard then (no, I'm not going to say use the Windows editor g) you can hit the End key. It will place the cursor behind the last character as you desire. Or you could remove the tick from Free caret positioning at Options | Preferences | Viewer/Editor | Editor preferences | MicroEd-specific options. (-; -- Best regards MFPA Zorba the Greek - before he zorbas you Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)
Hi MFPA, on Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:09:37 +0100GMT (27.08.2009, 21:09 +0200GMT here), you wrote: M Or you could remove the tick from Free caret positioning at M Options | Preferences | Viewer/Editor | Editor preferences | M MicroEd-specific options. (-; This is a good one for April fools! :D -- Cheers Peter Never trust a stock broker who is married to a travel agent. Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)
Hello MFPA, On Thu, 27 Aug 2009 20:09:37 +0100 GMT (28/Aug/09, 2:09 AM +0700 GMT), MFPA wrote: If you prefer to the Windows standard then (no, I'm not going to say use the Windows editor g) you can hit the End key. It will place the cursor behind the last character as you desire. M Or you could remove the tick from Free caret positioning at M Options | Preferences | Viewer/Editor | Editor preferences | M MicroEd-specific options. (-; I didn't even know that, but it will make Bill happy. :-) -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.2.10.6 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.10.0 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 01:29:11 -0700, Bill McQuillan bill.mcquil...@pobox.com wrote: BTW, my Windows editor seems to color quoted text appropriately. Thank you for your explanation. It was very helpful and I appreciate it. I'm a little more calm about it. i guess I just ahve to decide which editor I want to use. For the Windows editor that you mentioned above, try this and tell me if it works: --start a new email message (make sure it's in the Windows editor mode) --copy a paragraph of text from somewhere else (internet, etc.) --Go back to the email, and right-click and paste as quotation You will see that the even thought the text gets pasted with the symbol, the color doesn't automatically change to the quote color setting. Now if you do the same in Microed, the color changes immediately (very nice). If it were not for that and other other similar coloring issues, I'd probably just use teh Windows editor. But you're explanation helps me appreciate the Microed more. Maybe I'll just use double-enter to separate my paragraphs, and that will be my compromise. Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)
On Tue, 25 Aug 2009 10:49:07 +0100, Marck D Pearlstone ma...@silverstones.com wrote: Dear Ac, @24-Aug-2009, 21:11 -0700 (25-Aug 05:11 here) AC [A] in mid:t5o695t0hjcsj5ikdtgls8h3hbcv4h1...@4ax.com said: ... snip A All I want to do is to have automatic wrapping and to be able to press A the Enter key ONCE and start a new line. I just don't understand why A the developers and users are opposed to this. There is a very simple explanation. In microed, you are editing plain text ready to send. That's what it does and what it was always designed to do. There is no character in the ASCII set used for microed that can be used as an 'un-wrappable end of line'. A CR/LF is at the end of every visible line. Only 2 in a row can denote an unwrappable line. In autoformat, it is 2 CR/LFs that show when to stop recalculating the position of the embedded CR/LFs within a paragraph. So AC, the opposition you encounter to this idea is not a pedantic or resistive one, but entirely a technical one. Thank you for the response, it is informative and helpful. Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)
Dear Ac, @24-Aug-2009, 21:11 -0700 (25-Aug 05:11 here) AC [A] in mid:t5o695t0hjcsj5ikdtgls8h3hbcv4h1...@4ax.com said: ... snip A All I want to do is to have automatic wrapping and to be able to press A the Enter key ONCE and start a new line. I just don't understand why A the developers and users are opposed to this. There is a very simple explanation. In microed, you are editing plain text ready to send. That's what it does and what it was always designed to do. There is no character in the ASCII set used for microed that can be used as an 'un-wrappable end of line'. A CR/LF is at the end of every visible line. Only 2 in a row can denote an unwrappable line. In autoformat, it is 2 CR/LFs that show when to stop recalculating the position of the embedded CR/LFs within a paragraph. So AC, the opposition you encounter to this idea is not a pedantic or resistive one, but entirely a technical one. -- Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v4.2.10.6 on Windows Vista 6.0.6001 Service Pack 1 ' pgpgy4i5jcKfd.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)
On Mon, 2009-08-24, AC wrote: All I want to do is to have automatic wrapping and to be able to press the Enter key ONCE and start a new line. I just don't understand why the developers and users are opposed to this. I think that you need to understand the architecture of the MicroEd to see that this is asking for two conflicting things that would make major changes to the basic concepts of MicroEd. First, the concept of a paragraph in MicroEd is a block of text separated from the preceeding and following text by at least one blank line. Second, Alt-L says reformat the paragraph containing the cursor. To do this, MicroEd finds the preceeding and following blank lines to determine the paragraph. It then reformats that paragraph (left justified). Third, setting automatic wrapping essentially means do an Alt-L after each keystroke. Notice that a single Enter keystroke does not create a blank line and the implied Alt-L effectively sucks the contents of the supposed new line of text into the text above, since MicroEd doesn't find a blank line to end the current paragraph. I personally suspect that this exact problem may be what caused the developers to throw up their hands at some point in the past and decide that just doing a Windows style editor was the way to solve the problem for people that wanted what you're asking for. (I could be wrong!) BTW, my Windows editor seems to color quoted text appropriately. -- Bill McQuillan bill.mcquil...@pobox.com Using The Bat! 2.11 on Windows XP 5.1 build 2600-Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Why won't the developers add an option for allowing a single carriage return for MicroEd? (with auto-format enabled)
In a thread from a few days back, I was frustrated with wrapping in the Bat and had a few questions. The answers i recieved helped me identify exactly what feature I would like to see added to the Bat and MicroEd in particular. Can we have a checkbox that will allow single-carriage returns with auto-format enabled? Why do I want this? So that wrapping will work in MicroEd the way most Windows users are used to. I will go through the details and the common responses that I expect from this group. Reaction #1 Why don't you just use the Windows editor? Well, I like the MicroEd because of the way it autmoatically colors things according to your color preferences. For example, consider quoted text: In Microed, if I use the right-click option to paste as quotation, then the pasted text will automatically be colored with whatever the color setting for quotes is. Also, if I remove the symbol from the beginning of a line, the text instantly goes back to the normal color. This is not the case with the Windows editor. When you paste as quotation in the Windows editor, it does not become automatically colored. Also, if you remove the symbol, the color doesn't change. So that's why I prefer Microed. But the single line return auto-format issue prevents me from liking it completely. It would be nice if the Windows coloring things were automatic. Or if single carriage returns were allowed in Microed with auto-format turned on. I still don't think it would be that big of a deal to add an option for allow single carriage return. Reaction #2 Just press 'Alt-L' with auto-format turned off to fix wrapping issues. I understand that I can use the Alt-L shortcut. But i shouldn't have to. Again, all I'm asking for is a simple option--a checkbox. Why should I have to press Alt-L every time I edit a paragraph, which will happen multiple times a day. Reaction #3 That's just the way MicroEd has always been and we're not going to change it. This is actually the response I get from the developers. I have never recieved a response like this for feature requests for any software, and i find it strange. It's puzzling because I am not asking for any features or characterisitics to be removed from Microed, just ADD a little feature. So all users who prefer it like it currently is will not be affected. I ask again and again, what is the big deal? Why would any of you oppose such an addition? It makes no sens for other users to say they don't want the feature added because IT DOESNT CHANGE ANYTHING. All I want to do is to have automatic wrapping and to be able to press the Enter key ONCE and start a new line. I just don't understand why the developers and users are opposed to this. Current version is 4.2.9.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
