Re: e-mail clients in general

[Richard Evans]

Hi Drew,
On Fri, 5 Apr 2002, at 21:13:47 [GMT +1000] you wrote:
DH> Hello All,

DH> I was hoping to get some thoughts on what people out there think is
DH> the best e-mail client and why! Any top five lists!?

DH> Regs,


I  love  the  bat  and  use it all the time (particularly for
mailing lists)
However  my  Kids  need  something more intuitive and simple
with  the  ability to write HTML messages (I Know,I Know... but
at  six  and  nine  years  pretty  pictures  & coloured text
matter).
So  they (& the wife) use Poco, but it won't auto delete old messages or
auto  compress   folders  like TB! (two v important features
IMHO) and whatever they say on the
Poco  forum  scripts  are  not as flexible as TB!'s macros +
filters.
Since  reading  this  thread  I spent a week downloading and
trying  every single  windows  client  I  could find but none
combined  the  power of The Bat with HTML or RTF writing (My
favourites  were  Mahogany  but  I  couldn't  figure out even
viewing  html  with  it  and  Foxmail  4.1  which was a very
strange Chinese hybrid but I was not sure how safe it was as
it views any HTML with IE components.
I personally always send plain text but Girls just wanna have
fun so I guess I'll have to stick with two clients.
The Bat for me , Poco for the family.
If  the  Bat had a more simple (pretty !!!) Interface and at
least  RTF  editing  (I don't need any replys on the reasons
why  not  I  understand and agree that plain text is best) I
could  uninstall poco and just have one Family Frendly -mail
Client

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Re: e-mail clients in general

[Ian Petersen]

Miguel,

> I'm sure you won't regret having paid for TB!

No, I don't regret it at all.

And yes, your suggestions will certainly get my support. I have plenty
of suggestions too, but I'll leave that for another day.

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Re[2]: e-mail clients in general

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Ian,

> Of course. It was a somewhat facetious answer to a rather silly
> question. After all, I have paid for TB and use is now as my primary
> mail-client. But it has a long way to go before it can equal Virtual
> Access for MY needs.

I'm sure you won't regret having paid for TB! :)

Anyway, one of these days I will start suggesting enhancements to TB!
developers. Some of the ones I have in mind are:
  - View Tabs for folder tree
  - Ignoring messages and threads
  - Manual re-threading
  - Possibility of assigning messages to more than 1 colour group
  - and a few more...

I hope you will second me when I do :)

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Re[4]: e-mail clients in general

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hello Peter,

MAU>> See what I mean? VA has been the best for me for 6 years and now is
MAU>> TB!. And specially now that I can also manage newsgroups with TB!

> What do you use for newsgroups?

> I used Agent for both E-mail and newsgroups, but since I
> switched to The Bat I don't like to go back to Agent just
> for news. I am trying mailtraq but have not yet figured out
> how it works.

I do use the free version of MailTraq and it works a treat. Perhaps
not easy to grasp and configure at first, but it's worth the effort.

MailTraq is a quite complete package but I basically just use the News
to Mail and Mail to News gateways, so that I can manage newsgroups as
if they were normal mail lists like this one. The basic idea is that
MailTraq collects my favourite newsgroups from different servers and
converts them to e-mail that is forwarded to one of my accounts. When
I collect this account it is like if news messages where coming from
mail lists, I filter them to different folders and voila! When I want
to post or reply I write a message to the "newsgroup e-mail address"
that MailTraq has set up for each newsgroup, and that I have
configured in the templates for each newsgroup folder. When MailTraq
receives my messages, it converts them appropriately and sends them to
the corresponding news server.

If the list moderator(s) don't consider this OT, I will start a new
thread with subject "Newsgroups with The Bat! and MailTraq", or
something similar, to give more detailed hints on setting up the whole
thing. And, if considered OT, I will send you the details privately.

Until I have time to start this new thread (hopefully later today),
if you haven't seen it already, you may want to take a look at:
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Re[2]: e-mail clients in general

[Greg Strong]

Hello Ian,

Saturday, April 6, 2002, 12:48:36 AM, you wrote:

>> I don't think e-mail clients, like many other things, can be
>> judged objectively. The best client for a person depends on his needs
>> and preferences.

IP> Of course. It was a somewhat facetious answer to a rather silly
IP> question. After all, I have paid for TB and use is now as my primary
IP> mail-client. But it has a long way to go before it can equal Virtual
IP> Access for MY needs.

You have to make the decision which best fits your needs.  In my case I
will probably go from 1 program to 3.  I can't wait for VA to go open
source any longer.  Without development VA can NOT meet my needs looking
forward.  So I am putting the effort into learning additional interfaces
and moving on.

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Re: e-mail clients in general

[Ian Petersen]

Miguel,

> I don't think e-mail clients, like many other things, can be
> judged objectively. The best client for a person depends on his needs
> and preferences.

Of course. It was a somewhat facetious answer to a rather silly
question. After all, I have paid for TB and use is now as my primary
mail-client. But it has a long way to go before it can equal Virtual
Access for MY needs.

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Re[3]: e-mail clients in general

[Peter Kerekes]

Hello Miguel,

Friday, April 5, 2002, 4:07:40 PM, you wrote:


MAU> See what I mean? VA has been the best for me for 6 years and now is
MAU> TB!. And specially now that I can also manage newsgroups with TB!

What do you use for newsgroups?

I used Agent for both E-mail and newsgroups, but since I
switched to The Bat I don't like to go back to Agent just
for news. I am trying mailtraq but have not yet figured out
how it works.

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Re: e-mail clients in general

[Frank auf der Springe]

Hello Drew,

1. The Bat! (I really like the templates and it's my very first choice
although I'd like to see a better interface)
2. AK-Mail (very nice but a little bit outdated)
3. Outlook Express (I use it for newsgroups)
4. Outlook 2000 (nice PIM)
5. ?


Best Regards,
Frank



> Hello All,

> I was hoping to get some thoughts on what people out there think is
> the best e-mail client and why! Any top five lists!?

> Regs,

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Re[2]: e-mail clients in general

[Miguel A. Urech]

Hi Ian,

> 1. Virtual Access is still undoubtedly the best all round mail & news
> (& CIS) client I've ever used. Sadly no-longer developed although
> still fully functional.

Although I "abandoned" VA after 6 years and moved to TB!, I basically
agree with you. And you know the reasons why I made the change.
However, I don't think e-mail clients, like many other things, can be
judged objectively. The best client for a person depends on his needs
and preferences.

> 2. The Bat! comes a not so close second. (Hi Miguel - Still not
> convinced!) Let down by the dreadful interface and even worse
> documentation. Looking foward to v.2

See what I mean? VA has been the best for me for 6 years and now is
TB!. And specially now that I can also manage newsgroups with TB!

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Re: e-mail clients in general

[Ian Petersen]

Drew,

> I was hoping to get some thoughts on what people out there think is
> the best e-mail client and why! Any top five lists!?

Well, since you ask:

1. Virtual Access is still undoubtedly the best all round mail & news
(& CIS) client I've ever used. Sadly no-longer developed although
still fully functional.

2. The Bat! comes a not so close second. (Hi Miguel - Still not
convinced!) Let down by the dreadful interface and even worse
documentation. Looking foward to v.2

3. Forté Agent. Nice filters as far as I remember.

4. Eudora for Mac. Well at least it works.

5. Poco and Pegasus perhaps?

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Re: e-mail clients in general

[Lars Geiger]

Hi Drew,
On Friday, April 5, 2002 at 21:13:47 [GMT +1000], you wrote:

DH> I was hoping to get some thoughts on what people out there think is
DH> the best e-mail client and why! Any top five lists!?

I have tried almost any MUA out there (OK, I skipped IncrediMail! ;-), I
still have some to test (Gnus, ...) and this is my personal top five *at
the moment*:

1)   The Bat! 1.6c:
 Does more than most people would ever need in a MUA.

2)   Sylpheed
 IMO the best graphical mailer for Unix-based systems (no, I don't
 consider mutt or pine to have graphical interfaces).

3)   Mozilla
 Promising. It seems it could become my recommendation for a free
 MUA (on Windows) one day.

4)   mutt
 I use it at my university. Nice to have for checking mail via SSH.
 Nice list of features, highly configurable (although I must admit
 that I only use a very small subset of its features).

5)   Outlook
 Good PIM solution. Evolution 1.03 comes close, but Outlook
 nevertheless is a good piece of software. Unfortunately,
 it is a popular target for virii because it is really widespread.

Sometimes, in my weaker moments, I wish there was a version of Sylpheed
for Windows (I know there is one, but I don't really like it).
Especially over the last few weeks, when a lot of new functions have
been added to TB while old bugs were still present.

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Re[2]: e-mail clients in general

[Dave Conroy]

Hi

Friday, April 5, 2002, 6:23:50 PM, you wrote:

>> I was hoping to get some thoughts on what people out there think is
>> the best e-mail client and why! Any top five lists!?

1. The Bat! 1.60c

fast, stable and does everything I want without the virus/worm
hassles. Love the templates idea. Somewhat irritating at times,
esp. in terms of menu layout and less that attractive appearance.

2. Mail for Mac OSX

Looks stunning, very fast and rock solid stability. Does
everything I ever want to do via a Mac laptop on the road; but
still wouldn't use it for main e-mail functions.

3. Outlook 2000

Liked its ease of use and ability to work with everything I
needed it to work with. Got sick of virus threats.

4. Becky

Looks nice enough and does more than the basics well. Could use
it if TB! didn't exist.

5. Eudora 5.1

Like the easy and logical menu and config. system. Nice enough to
look at. The adverts are irritating and it was unstable for me
over a long period while trying to find a valid alternative. My
wife still uses it and finds it hassle free.

Just MHO and am open to alternatives, as always.
 
With best wishes,

Dave 


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Re: e-mail clients in general

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On Friday, April 05, 2002, at 3:13:47 AM PST, Drew Hanson wrote:

> I was hoping to get some thoughts on what people out there think is
> the best e-mail client and why! Any top five lists!?

Hello Drew,

I've tried just about every Windows email client I can find (except
Turnpike), and The Bat! is without *any* doubt, the best of them all.

My "top five" list has only two entries:

1) The Bat! (absolutely the best!)
2) Becky! (*very* good, but still a relatively distant second to TB!)

I do own both, and while Becky has some very nice features, it's no
TB! Becky, for me, is sort of a backup for both email and news (it has
a basic news plug-in). Sometimes, I'll send an email from Becky just
for the fun of it, or I'll use it to check against TB! if I'm trying
to figure out what's happening with a certain message, but it's
definitely "second best" in my opinion.

TB! has a wonderful and useful feature set (better than any I've
seen), and it's stable and fast.

Melissa
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Re: e-mail clients in general

[Ottar Grimstad]

Hello Drew,

Friday, April 5, 2002, 1:13:47 PM, you wrote to TBUDL:

DH> I was hoping to get some thoughts on what people out there think
DH> is the best e-mail client and why! Any top five lists!?

Outlook Express does not filter Outgoing mail and is vulnerable to
virus attacks
Eudora was unable to import my message base from Outlook Express
without crashing
Pegasus had a very cumbersom way of dealing with multiple accounts.

My top five list have only one entry: The Bat!

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Re: e-mail clients in general

[Peter Meyns]

On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:50:23 +0700GMT (which was 05.04.02, 16:50 +0200GMT
where I live), tracer wrote the following about "e-mail clients in
general":

t> I have complaints but none as bad as about my previous products...
t> Worst problem I had when switching from Eudora was that the bat send
t> my WHOLE outbox again... Causing questions why I was resending 2 years
t> old mail and also getting problems resolved about sw which 2 years
t> before they couldnt
t> Quite a shock to see a 2-3 years of mail being resend...

Hi tracer,

yes, I believe that is embarrassing. But I don't believe that The Bat!
is to blame. Question: why did you import your sent messages to the
outbox and not to their respective folders? Besides, TB! won't send
anything automatically unless you tell it to do so in your options...

I even let TB! ask my confirmation for immediate sending, so if I
inadvertently hit the "send" button instead of "put in outbox" or "save
as draft", no unwanted sending will occur.
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Re: e-mail clients in general

[tracer]

Hello Peter Meyns,
On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 13:41:20 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was Friday, April 5, 2002, 6:41:20 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,




Peter Meyns wrote:


> On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:13:47 +1000GMT (which was 05.04.02, 13:13 +0200GMT
> where I live), Drew Hanson wrote the following about "e-mail clients in general":

DH>> Hello All,

DH>> I was hoping to get some thoughts on what people out there think is
DH>> the best e-mail client and why! Any top five lists!?

> Hi Drew,

> what a question to ask on The Bat! Users' Discussion List... ;-) I only
> have a top one list! :o)

I have complaints but none as bad as about my previous products...
Worst problem I had when switching from Eudora was that the bat send
my WHOLE outbox again... Causing questions why I was resending 2 years
old mail and also getting problems resolved about sw which 2 years
before they couldnt
Quite a shock to see a 2-3 years of mail being resend...


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Re[2]: e-mail clients in general

[Bernhard Kohl]

Hello Peter,



DH>> Any top five lists!?

PP> 1.) The Bat! v1.49
PP> 2.) The Bat! v1.52
PP> 3.) The Bat! v1.53
PP> 4.) The Bat! v1.54/Beta32
PP> 5.) The Bat! v1.60c


Really, in this order? From many of your other postings I'd guessed
that v 1.60c is the MUA of your choice and on top position 1 ;-)

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Re: e-mail clients in general

[Peter Palmreuther]

Hello Drew,

On Friday, April 5, 2002 at 1:13:47 PM you wrote in
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DH> Any top five lists!?

1.) The Bat! v1.49
2.) The Bat! v1.52
3.) The Bat! v1.53
4.) The Bat! v1.54/Beta32
5.) The Bat! v1.60c

Why? Because it offers all functionality I need, is small and stable and
albeit I'm working with a somehow huge message base it's fast. :-)

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Re: e-mail clients in general

[Peter Meyns]

On Fri, 5 Apr 2002 21:13:47 +1000GMT (which was 05.04.02, 13:13 +0200GMT
where I live), Drew Hanson wrote the following about "e-mail clients in general":

DH> Hello All,

DH> I was hoping to get some thoughts on what people out there think is
DH> the best e-mail client and why! Any top five lists!?

Hi Drew,

what a question to ask on The Bat! Users' Discussion List... ;-) I only
have a top one list! :o)
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e-mail clients in general

[Drew Hanson]

Hello All,

I was hoping to get some thoughts on what people out there think is
the best e-mail client and why! Any top five lists!?

Regs,

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