Re: Voyager: pryvacy broken in log files?

2014-02-19 Thread Luca
MFPA:

 Hi
 On Tuesday 18 February 2014 at 4:39:51 PM, in
 mid:5p27g9tj3a95bpsklmrqapmjbmofhqs...@4ax.com, Luca wrote:

  IMAP_1.log SMTP.log
 
  These ones contain email text, not encrypted, and I
  don't know how to avoid that. 

 In TB! you go to the properties of an account, then on the tree on the
 left, under Transport, is an entry called Protocol Logging. On
 that pane are two tick-boxes and the paths to two files. Protocol 
 Logging is only needed to investigate problems with sending or 
 receiving mail.

That's it, thank you.

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Voyager: pryvacy broken in log files?

2014-02-18 Thread Luca

Hello,

I found two files in the folders of one of may IMAP accounts in Voyager:

IMAP_1.log
SMTP.log

These ones contain email text, not encrypted, and I don't know how to avoid
that. My questions:

- Is there any way to encrypt these log files too? 

- Or how do I prevent their creation?

- Are there any other files in Voyager where data encryption is not effective?

Thanks


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Re: Voyager: pryvacy broken in log files?

2014-02-18 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Tuesday 18 February 2014 at 4:39:51 PM, in
mid:5p27g9tj3a95bpsklmrqapmjbmofhqs...@4ax.com, Luca wrote:



 Hello,

 I found two files in the folders of one of may IMAP
 accounts in Voyager:

 IMAP_1.log SMTP.log

 These ones contain email text, not encrypted, and I
 don't know how to avoid that. My questions:

 - Is there any way to encrypt these log files too?

 - Or how do I prevent their creation?

 - Are there any other files in Voyager where data
 encryption is not effective?

I don't have Voyager, but my guess is they could be Protocol Logging 
files like you can set The Bat! to create. 

In TB! you go to the properties of an account, then on the tree on the
left, under Transport, is an entry called Protocol Logging. On
that pane are two tick-boxes and the paths to two files. Protocol 
Logging is only needed to investigate problems with sending or 
receiving mail.



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Re: Log Files

2013-03-24 Thread MFPA
Hi


On Wednesday 20 March 2013 at 1:10:37 PM, in
mid:1279785482.20130320141...@partous.com, Mark Partous wrote:


 This is what is in the configuration: Create an update
 to an existing archive
 H:\TB-BU\TBBU.tbk

 The BU ran today but stopped saying it couldn't find
 I:\TB-BU\TBBU.tbk

 H  is  an  external USB drive. I does not exist
 (sometimes there's a USB-stick or another device that
 gets that Drive-Letter, but none was connected today.



Just a thought. What happens if you address your external USB drive by
means of a mount point instead of its own drive letter?



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Re: Log Files

2013-03-20 Thread Mark Partous

Hello Roelof,

Sunday, March 17, 2013, 11:24:46 AM, you wrote:

RO However, for the next time something like this occurs, you could set
RO the account log a bit larger. TB's default log size is 20 kB, but it
RO can easily handle log file of 1000 kB. (Mine is set to 4000 kB)

I did not find where to change the size, yet.

Does a larger log size cause a slowdown?

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Re: Log Files

2013-03-20 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Mark,

On Wed, 20 Mar 2013 09:57:20 +0100GMT (20-3-2013, 9:57 , where I
live), you wrote:

RO However, for the next time something like this occurs, you could set
RO the account log a bit larger. TB's default log size is 20 kB, but it
RO can easily handle log file of 1000 kB. (Mine is set to 4000 kB)

MP I did not find where to change the size, yet.

 Account - Properties - Options - Maximum account log size

MP Does a larger log size cause a slowdown?

 Not that I'm aware of, but I changed the maximum log size about ten
 years ago, so I can't compare. ;-)

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Re: Log Files

2013-03-20 Thread Mark Partous

Hello Roelof,

Sunday, March 17, 2013, 11:24:46 AM, you wrote:

RO TB does need a fixed path to the backup location, can't be helped.

I find all of this rather confusing:

This is what is in the configuration: Create an update to an existing archive
  H:\TB-BU\TBBU.tbk

The BU ran today but stopped saying it couldn't find
  I:\TB-BU\TBBU.tbk

H  is  an  external USB drive. I does not exist (sometimes there's a 
USB-stick or another device
that gets that Drive-Letter, but none was connected today.

While  the  BU's  are  planned on a weekly basis and it ran today, that should 
suggest the latest BU
would have dated from Wed, March 13. To make all this even more confusing I 
found a Back-Up made
yesterday in: F:\TB-BU\TBBU.tbk

F is a internal HD.

Beats me!  :-)


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Re: Log Files

2013-03-20 Thread Mark Partous

Hello Roelof,

Wednesday, March 20, 2013, 11:27:37 AM, you wrote:

MP I did not find where to change the size, yet.
RO  Account - Properties - Options - Maximum account log size

Thanks! I was looking for a global settings, that's probably why I couldn't 
find it.

MP Does a larger log size cause a slowdown?

RO  Not that I'm aware of, but I changed the maximum log size about ten
RO  years ago, so I can't compare. ;-)

:-)

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Re: Log Files

2013-03-20 Thread Gunivortus Goos
Hi Mark,

 I find all of this rather confusing:
 This is what is in the configuration: Create an update to an existing archive
   H:\TB-BU\TBBU.tbk
 The BU ran today but stopped saying it couldn't find
   I:\TB-BU\TBBU.tbk

 H  is  an  external USB drive. I does not exist (

Sounds familiar. TB sometimes sees my external USB flash-drive, 
sometimes it says that it can't find it. No matter if I use USB 2.0 or 
3.0 and using a direct connection or through my USB-hub.
I've experienced too similar problems when using my NAS over LAN
for this.
Strange enough.. doing manually a BU it works all the time. :-)

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Re: Log Files

2013-03-17 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Mark,

On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 01:11:05 +0100GMT (17-3-2013, 1:11 , where I
live), you wrote:

MP Are  the  log  files  being  archived  somewhere  or  is  what we
MP get to see when we click the View
MP Accountlog-button, all that is left?

 Find your mail directory, every account has its own log file in its
 own account directory. What I get to see with view log is not the
 latest entry in the loig file, but that might be a beta issue.


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Re: Log Files

2013-03-17 Thread Mark Partous

Hello Roelof,

Sunday, March 17, 2013, 8:23:19 AM, you wrote:

RO  Find your mail directory, every account has its own log file in its
RO  own account directory. What I get to see with view log is not the
RO  latest entry in the loig file, but that might be a beta issue.

Thanks, but that log also merely goes back to 16/03/2013 while I wanted to be 
able to proof (in case
it was necessary) a message was sent on the 13th.

I also have Back-Ups made with Second Copy, but those only have a log reaching 
'till March, 15th.

The  Back-Up  made  with  TB! itself dates from the 5th (It sometimes does not 
make a copy saying it
doesn't  find  the  HD  on  which the copy has to be made - the HD is there but 
it has another Drive
Letter than TB! searches for - TB seems to be the only program that sees a 
change of drive letter).

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Re: Log Files

2013-03-17 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Mark,

On Sun, 17 Mar 2013 10:14:28 +0100GMT (17-3-2013, 10:14 , where I
live), you wrote:

MP Thanks, but that log also merely goes back to 16/03/2013 while I
MP wanted to be able to proof (in case
MP it was necessary) a message was sent on the 13th.

In that case you're out of luck.
However, for the next time something like this occurs, you could set
the account log a bit larger. TB's default log size is 20 kB, but it
can easily handle log file of 1000 kB. (Mine is set to 4000 kB)

MP The  Back-Up  made  with  TB! itself dates from the 5th (It
MP sometimes does not make a copy saying it
MP doesn't  find  the  HD  on  which the copy has to be made - the
MP HD is there but it has another Drive
MP Letter than TB! searches for - TB seems to be the only program
MP that sees a change of drive letter).

TB does need a fixed path to the backup location, can't be helped.

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Log Files

2013-03-16 Thread Mark Partous

Hello,

Are  the  log  files  being  archived  somewhere  or  is  what we get to see 
when we click the View
Accountlog-button, all that is left?


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Log Files and Error Reporting

2009-01-07 Thread Tom

Hello Everyone,

I noticed that one of my accounts did not receive any emails and
assumed it was due to the holiday season.
Only today I realised that I had changed the password when travelling.
While searching for the error it occurred to me that I never received
any error message (obvious and visible) that the server had rejected
connection. I had checked logs but did not realise at the time that
they are all account specific, so when I clicked on logs before being
in another account, it showed retrieved messages.

Is there any other way to be alerted to retrieval problems or to
access an overall log for all accounts? This would make it so much
easier to check when you have more than a few accounts.

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log files

2007-06-16 Thread Peter Kerekes

I am setting up again my backup system and found 2 large log files in
theBat as part of the protocol logging: pop.log and smtp.log (800MB and
500MB).

Do I need these files, should I back them up, or can I get rid of them by
deactivating?  Is there a way to keep them for only a few days?
  

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Re: log files

2007-06-16 Thread Chris W .

Peter Kerekes @ 2007-6-16 3:16:39 PM
log files mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Do I need [pop.log and smtp.log] files,

Only if something is going wrong when you send or check for messages.

 should I back them up,

No.

 or can I get rid of them by deactivating?

Yes. Open the account in question's properties. Go to Protocol
Logging, under Transport. Uncheck both boxes.

 Is there a way to keep them for only a few days?

You could schedule a Windows task to delete them periodically.

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Re[2]: log files

2007-06-16 Thread Peter Kerekes
Hello Chris,

Saturday, June 16, 2007, 5:06:30 PM, you wrote:

Chris Peter Kerekes @ 2007-6-16 3:16:39 PM
Chris log files mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

 Do I need [pop.log and smtp.log] files,

Chris Only if something is going wrong when you send or check for messages.

 should I back them up,

Chris No.

 or can I get rid of them by deactivating?

Chris Yes. Open the account in question's properties. Go to Protocol
Chris Logging, under Transport. Uncheck both boxes.

 Is there a way to keep them for only a few days?

Chris You could schedule a Windows task to delete them periodically.


Thank you. I think I will deactivate them until I run into a problem.

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Re: Log files

2006-10-27 Thread MFPA

Hi

On Monday 23 October 2006 at 1:14:41 PM, in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED], Peter Meyns
wrote:

 No. Just turn off pop logging in account properties -- transport. As
 Roelof said, it is meant for debugging and should only be enabled when
 there's a problem with receiving mails.

Out of curiosity, was this previously on by default? I notice it
is enabled on some (mainly older) accounts but disabled on others,
including newly-created.

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Re: Log files

2006-10-27 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo MFPA,

On Sat, 28 Oct 2006 01:41:02 +0100GMT (28-10-2006, 2:41 , where I
live), you wrote:

 No. Just turn off pop logging in account properties -- transport. As
 Roelof said, it is meant for debugging and should only be enabled when
 there's a problem with receiving mails.

M Out of curiosity, was this previously on by default? I notice it
M is enabled on some (mainly older) accounts but disabled on others,
M including newly-created.

I think it's off by default. I distinctly remember having to enable it
for myself, back when it was introduced.

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Re[2]: Log files

2006-10-27 Thread Richard H. Stoddard
Saturday, October 28, 2006, 5:41:02 AM, you wrote:

M Out of curiosity, was this previously on by default? I notice it is
M enabled on some (mainly older) accounts but disabled on others,
M including newly-created.

It was enabled on my older accounts but not the newer ones. To be
honest, I don't remember whether I enabled it myself or it was on by
default. I think it may have been the latter, but I can't be sure.

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Re: Log files

2006-10-23 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Richard,

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 09:47:56 +0500GMT (23-10-2006, 6:47 , where I
live), you wrote:

RHS Awhile ago I noticed that the log file for my main account has been
RHS getting rather large - 300MB at the moment.  I don't need to log every
RHS single action indefinitely, so I went to account properties|options
RHS and checked verbose log, and then set the maximum size to 1MB.
RHS However, even after closing/restarting TB! the log file remains the
RHS same size. What am I missing?

I don't know.
Over here TB keeps the log trimmed down to 10 MB, as I instructed.
I don't have 'verbose log' checked, because TB gives less
information about the triggered filters when you've got that enabled
(sounds silly, but it's true).
But in the days I had that enabled TB kept the size down as well.

Just for testing purposes I set my log size back to five MB and closed
TB. Size didn't change. Started TB again and the log was abbreviated,
so I guess it works.

You realize of course that the log size is indicated in kilobytes, not
bytes, so for a log size of 1 MB you need to enter 1000. I know I've
got this talent to state the obvious, but I just wanted to be sure.

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Re[2]: Log files

2006-10-23 Thread Richard H. Stoddard
Roelof,

Monday, October 23, 2006, 2:29:42 PM, you wrote:

RO Over here TB keeps the log trimmed down to 10 MB, as I instructed.
RO I don't have 'verbose log' checked, because TB gives less
RO information about the triggered filters when you've got that
RO enabled (sounds silly, but it's true).

I unchecked verbose log but left it at 1MB (1000KB) and
closed/restarted TB!, but there was no change in the log size. Seems
that here controlling the size isn't possible. Is there a downside to
simply not logging at all? I always have the log at the bottom of the
account during active sessions, and frankly that's all I've ever
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Re: Log files

2006-10-23 Thread Roelof Otten
Hallo Richard,

On Mon, 23 Oct 2006 15:38:12 +0500GMT (23-10-2006, 12:38 , where I
live), you wrote:

RHS I unchecked verbose log but left it at 1MB (1000KB) and
RHS closed/restarted TB!, but there was no change in the log size. Seems
RHS that here controlling the size isn't possible.

Just to be sure. We're talking about the account.log file here and not
about the pop.log and the smtp.log files, are we? The latter too can't
be set to a specific size, as they're merely intended for debugging
purposes. The account.log can't be disabled.
You could try deleting it with TB closed and see whether it stays
within the limits.

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Re[2]: Log files

2006-10-23 Thread Richard H. Stoddard
Roelof,

Monday, October 23, 2006, 4:05:50 PM, you wrote:

RO Just to be sure. We're talking about the account.log file here and not
RO about the pop.log and the smtp.log files, are we? The latter too can't
RO be set to a specific size, as they're merely intended for debugging
RO purposes.

I was talking about the pop.log. As I said, it's reached 300MB and
growing weekly. Is there a way to trim it?

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Re: Log files

2006-10-23 Thread Peter Meyns
Hi Richard,

on Mon, 23 Oct 2006 16:39:40 +0500GMT (23.10.2006, 13:39 +0200GMT here),
you wrote:

RO Just to be sure. We're talking about the account.log file here and not
RO about the pop.log and the smtp.log files, are we? The latter too can't
RO be set to a specific size, as they're merely intended for debugging
RO purposes.

RHS I was talking about the pop.log. As I said, it's reached 300MB and
RHS growing weekly. Is there a way to trim it?

No. Just turn off pop logging in account properties -- transport. As
Roelof said, it is meant for debugging and should only be enabled when
there's a problem with receiving mails.

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Re[2]: Log files

2006-10-23 Thread Richard H. Stoddard
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Peter,

Monday, October 23, 2006, 5:14:41 PM, you wrote:

PM No. Just turn off pop logging in account properties -- transport.
PM As Roelof said, it is meant for debugging and should only be
PM enabled when there's a problem with receiving mails.

I turned off pop logging. Out of curiosity I opened the file in
notepad, and was shocked to see that it included the text, etc., of
all of my messages. Needless to say, I immediately deleted the log
files for all of my accounts.

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Re: Log files and encrypted mail

2006-10-23 Thread Mica Mijatovic
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   ***^\ ._)~~
 ~( __ _o   Was another beautiful day, Mon, 23 Oct 2006,
   @  @  at 18:24:29 +0500, when Richard H. Stoddard wrote:

 I turned off pop logging. Out of curiosity I opened the file in
 notepad, and was shocked to see that it included the text, etc., of
 all of my messages. Needless to say, I immediately deleted the log
 files for all of my accounts.

This is what exists as a standard behavior of this sort of logging,
and is nothing...illegal, or an omission in the design.

In the quite same fashion, _all_ your messages, that are not encrypted,
are entirely and very easily readable to practically, and literally,
entire Inter Net / world, in the process of the transport and otherwise.

This is the reason why encrypted mail is used, for instance, thus being
some sort of envelope, so nobody else can read it save the recipient(s).

Besides, fragments, or entire letters, also can be found as the parts of
OS's swap file (in XP the Pagefile.sys) and can be read very easily, as
an ordinary plain text, just by opening it in some a bit more advanced
text editor, when the OS is not active (from an other OS, for instance,
installed on another partition, disk, bootable diskette, CD...).

Therefore, all the mail by default is treated as written on post
cards, being thus open and readable to everyone.

The mail you don't want to be exposed this way, you should (keep)
encrypt(ed).

- --
Mica
 ~~~ For personal mail please use my address as it is *exactly* given
 in my From field, otherwise it will not reach me. ~~~
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   http://tronogi.tripod.com/pgp/pgpkeys/
[Earth LOG: 670 day(s) since v3.0 unleashing]
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 Windows XP(ee) Micro Lite Professional 1.6, Gentoo  Vector ~ Wine
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Re[2]: Log files and encrypted mail

2006-10-23 Thread Richard H. Stoddard
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Mica,

Monday, October 23, 2006, 8:19:52 PM, you wrote:

MM This is what exists as a standard behavior of this sort of
MM logging, and is nothing...illegal, or an omission in the
MM design.

I understand it's not illegal or a flaw; I guess I was just surprised
that much detail was preserved in them. Not their fault, just my
ignorance.

MM In the quite same fashion, _all_ your messages, that are not
MM encrypted, are entirely and very easily readable to practically,
MM and literally, entire Inter Net / world, in the process of the
MM transport and otherwise.

That I clearly know.

MM The mail you don't want to be exposed this way, you should (keep)
MM encrypt(ed).

Unfortunately, none of my family or friends use pgp/gpg. They've long
since ceased asking about the headers and footers on signed messages.
If the process becomes easier, maybe then they will, but they don't
see the point of paying for PGP and so GnuPG is more than they are
willing to deal with.

In the meantime, I will at least not keep log files lying around in
the open like that.

- -- 
Rick


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Log files

2006-10-22 Thread Richard H. Stoddard
Awhile ago I noticed that the log file for my main account has been
getting rather large - 300MB at the moment.  I don't need to log every
single action indefinitely, so I went to account properties|options
and checked verbose log, and then set the maximum size to 1MB.
However, even after closing/restarting TB! the log file remains the
same size. What am I missing?

-- 
Thanks,
Rick



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Searching Log Files

2004-01-25 Thread Michael S. Greenbaum
Is there any way of searching within the log file in TB?

I know I could copy and paste the file to a word processor, but I'd
rather search the log file itself.

I tried F7, but that doesn't work, nor does the Windows search which
is normally invoked by CTRL-F.

I using TB 2.01.3 Business edition on a PC running XP Professional.

Thanks for any help.

 --
Mike



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Re[2]: Searching Log Files

2004-01-25 Thread Michael S. Greenbaum
On Sunday, January 25, 2004, Roelof Otten wrote:

 You can access the log file from disk in:
 C:\Program Files\The Bat!\Mail\Accountname\Account.log
 Accountname needs to be substituted with the name of the account.
 On my system I've associated .log files with Notepad, so double
 clicking does the trick for me.

I tried that and it worked easily.  Thanks for the advice.

 --
Mike





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Searching Log Files

2004-01-24 Thread Michael S. Greenbaum
Is there any way of searching within the log file in TB?

I know I could copy and paste the file to a word processor, but I'd
rather search the log file itself.

I tried F7, but that doesn't work.

Thanks for any help.

 --
Mike





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