Re: occasional filter failures + missing data
Hello Roelof, Wednesday, October 24, 2012, 3:46:43 AM, you wrote: RO> Hallo Avram, RO> On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 03:29:41 -0500GMT (23-10-2012, 10:29 , where I RO> live), you wrote: RO>>> It's using the same message base, is that by using the same mail RO>>> directory or is it using a local mail directory with some extra RO>>> pointing to specific account folders? RO> You can check that by searching for the mail directory. RO> The place where you configure where your mail directory is located is: RO> Options -> Preferences -> System -> Mail Directory To review: I asked why messages for two of 14 e-mail accounts do not get properly filtered into subfolders in those accounts and noted that on a laptop attached to the network, those subfolders show zero messages. I was able to determine that the laptop's mail comes in from the hard drive of the desktop. Although it would appear that the laptop is not using a local mail directory, and instead, points directly to the desktop's hard drive, when mail is downloaded on to the laptop, that has previously been downloaded on to the main pc, that mail appears in duplicate. Not sure why. -- Avi Avram Sacks Using The Bat ver. 4.2.44.2 on Win XP pro sp3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: occasional filter failures + missing data
Hello Thomas, Tuesday, October 30, 2012, 11:16:57 AM, you wrote: > Hello Robert, > OK, so this is about IMAP. I didn't see that in the OP. Different > animal, I am not using IMAP, so cannot comment. oh, I really don't know if it is, or isn't. I was thinking it was more about "Filters". But maybe it's an IMAP thing. We need an RIT Programmer and a large bottle Vodka so we can find the answer after we talk/drink about it. -- Best regards, Robert Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: occasional filter failures + missing data
Hello Robert, Tuesday, October 30, 2012, 5:46:38 PM, you wrote: AS However, within the past 5-6 months, I have observed that a small AS number of messages for those accounts do not get filtered TF>>> While I have not experienced this myself, I have heard about it. For TF>>> some of the 4.x versions. In fact, this appears to be solved in later TF>>> versions, I have not heard anybody complain about this when using a TF>>> 5.x version. RD> FWIW, I am using 5.2 and, as of this morning's imap mail login. I ended RD> up with 65 New messages from one of my 5 active accounts remaining in RD> the Inbox. OK, so this is about IMAP. I didn't see that in the OP. Different animal, I am not using IMAP, so cannot comment. RD> I highlighted the Inbox and selected to Re-Filter. Then all were RD> filtered into their respective Common folders. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 5.3.2.5 (BETA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: occasional filter failures + missing data
Hello Thomas, Avram, Monday, October 29, 2012, 9:57:10 PM, you wrote: AS>>> However, within the past 5-6 months, I have observed that a small AS>>> number of messages for those accounts do not get filtered TF>> While I have not experienced this myself, I have heard about it. For TF>> some of the 4.x versions. In fact, this appears to be solved in later TF>> versions, I have not heard anybody complain about this when using a TF>> 5.x version. FWIW, I am using 5.2 and, as of this morning's imap mail login. I ended up with 65 New messages from one of my 5 active accounts remaining in the Inbox. I highlighted the Inbox and selected to Re-Filter. Then all were filtered into their respective Common folders. -- Best regards, Robert Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: occasional filter failures + missing data
Hello Avram, Tuesday, October 30, 2012, 3:43:16 AM, you wrote: AS>> However, within the past 5-6 months, I have observed that a small AS>> number of messages for those accounts do not get filtered with AS>> each mail download and remain in an account's inbox until I use AS>> the re-filter tool to properly distribute those messages. In each AS>> case, the non-filtered messages belong in the last active folder AS>> (or folders) in the list of that account's folders. TF> While I have not experienced this myself, I have heard about it. For TF> some of the 4.x versions. In fact, this appears to be solved in later TF> versions, I have not heard anybody complain about this when using a TF> 5.x version. TF> Would you consider trialing it? Yes. What is involved? Make a backup of your mails by using Tools / Backup. Download the current TB! version from the Ritlabs website and install it. It will be a 30-day trial version. If you like it, you can pay for the upgrade. If not, you make another backup (to include the mails have have been downloaded during your trial) and then re-install the 4.x version for which you already have the key. Note that v5 has some changes in the way the date and time of the messages is kept, so you will likely encounter an off-set in accordance with your time zone. -- Cheers, Thomas. Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: occasional filter failures + missing data
Hello MFPA, Monday, October 22, 2012, 7:38:39 AM, you wrote: M> From time to time I get messages left in the inbox, or sometimes moved M> to the wrong folder by the filters. I have not been able to find any M> pattern to this at all. I have experienced message moved to the wrong folder. Mostly this was when I had been away from my PC for a week or two, and there were over 1,000 incoming messages to filter. Alas, this has not happened with version 5.x. Whatever bug there was in the past, I cannot confirm it any more. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 5.3.2.5 (BETA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: occasional filter failures + missing data
Hello Avram, Sunday, October 21, 2012, 9:58:22 AM, you wrote: AS> However, within the past 5-6 months, I have observed that a small AS> number of messages for those accounts do not get filtered with AS> each mail download and remain in an account's inbox until I use AS> the re-filter tool to properly distribute those messages. In each AS> case, the non-filtered messages belong in the last active folder AS> (or folders) in the list of that account's folders. While I have not experienced this myself, I have heard about it. For some of the 4.x versions. In fact, this appears to be solved in later versions, I have not heard anybody complain about this when using a 5.x version. Would you consider trialing it? -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 5.3.2.5 (BETA) under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: occasional filter failures + missing data
Hallo Avram, On Tue, 23 Oct 2012 03:29:41 -0500GMT (23-10-2012, 10:29 , where I live), you wrote: RO>> It's using the same message base, is that by using the same mail RO>> directory or is it using a local mail directory with some extra RO>> pointing to specific account folders? A> I am not sure. You can check that by searching for the mail directory. The place where you configure where your mail directory is located is: Options -> Preferences -> System -> Mail Directory -- Groetjes, Roelof Flirting with the Moderator is ALWAYS HUMOROUS. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 5.3.2.4 (BETA) Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 5 pop3 accounts, 2 imap accounts OTFE disabled i7-2600 3.4GHz 4 GB RAM Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: occasional filter failures + missing data
Hi On Sunday 21 October 2012 at 3:58:22 AM, in , Avram Sacks wrote: > I have observed that a small number of messages > for those accounts do not get filtered with each mail > download and remain in an account's inbox until I use > the re-filter tool to properly distribute those > messages. >From time to time I get messages left in the inbox, or sometimes moved to the wrong folder by the filters. I have not been able to find any pattern to this at all. > Clearly, there is nothing wrong with the filter: use of > the re-filter tool ultimately results in proper > distribution of the messages. Same here. > Could the problem > possibly be related to there only being 1.25 GB of > useable free space remaining on the hard drive, or, is > some other issue causing this problem? My mail is on a 10 GB partition that currently reports 2.49 GB free space. -- Best regards MFPAmailto:expires2...@rocketmail.com Don't talk unless you can improve on the silence Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: occasional filter failures + missing data
Hello Roelof, Thanks for your response. See my comments below Tuesday, October 23, 2012, 1:56:28 AM, you wrote: A>> However, within the past 5-6 months, I have observed that a small A>> number of messages for those accounts do not get filtered with each A>> mail download and remain in an account's inbox until I use the A>> re-filter tool to properly distribute those messages. RO> Are those pop3 or imap accounts? These are pop3 accounts RO> You're using v4.2.44. Have you considered upgrading to v5.0.36 that's RO> the last version that should work with a v4 license. RO> (http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/archive_versions/) Thanks. I hadn't considered it, but I will now. :-) RO> Is the laptop that accesses the same message base using the same RO> version? Yes RO> It's using the same message base, is that by using the same mail RO> directory or is it using a local mail directory with some extra RO> pointing to specific account folders? I am not sure. I thought it was using the same message base. But, concurrent with this problem, I have observed that one subfolder in each of two separate mail accounts show "zero" messages on the laptop, while the thousands of messages in these subfolders are all in place on the desktop computer. Could that be a sign that a local mail directory is used, with extra pointers to specific folders? If so, how do I fix this? -- Avi Avram Sacks Using The Bat 4.2.44.2 on WinXP sp3 Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: occasional filter failures + missing data
Hallo Avram, On Sat, 20 Oct 2012 21:58:22 -0500GMT (21-10-2012, 4:58 , where I live), you wrote: A> However, within the past 5-6 months, I have observed that a small A> number of messages for those accounts do not get filtered with each A> mail download and remain in an account's inbox until I use the A> re-filter tool to properly distribute those messages. In each case, A> the non-filtered messages belong in the last active folder (or A> folders) in the list of that account's folders. Are those pop3 or imap accounts? In case they're imap accounts, you could consider deleting the imap cache. You're using v4.2.44. Have you considered upgrading to v5.0.36 that's the last version that should work with a v4 license. (http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/archive_versions/) Is the laptop that accesses the same message base using the same version? It's using the same message base, is that by using the same mail directory or is it using a local mail directory with some extra pointing to specific account folders? -- Groetjes, Roelof Moderator: Subspecies of God, native to Fidonet. http://www.voormijalleen.nl/ The Bat! 5.3.1 Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 5 pop3 accounts, 2 imap accounts OTFE disabled i7-2600 3.4GHz 4 GB RAM Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Fwd: Re: occasional filter failures + missing data
Пересылаемое сообщение От кого: "Robert D." <210525p42...@denstarfarm.us> Кому: Avram Sacks Дата: Sun, 21 Oct 2012 08:53:21 -0400 Тема: Re: occasional filter failures + missing data Hello Avram, Saturday, October 20, 2012, 10:58:22 PM, you wrote: > I have > observed that a small number of messages for those accounts do not get > filtered with each mail download and remain in an account's inbox > until I use the re-filter tool to properly distribute those messages. Yes! Thanks for writing about that. I hope there is an answer. I have one, of three, account, all of which are different accounts of my own domain. One of those consistently leaves some messages in INBOX until I re-filter, w/o having made changes to the existing Filters. Confounds me. -- Best regards, Robert Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html -- С Уважением, ООО "СУПЕРПЛАСТ", Москва Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: occasional filter failures + missing data
Hello Avram, Saturday, October 20, 2012, 10:58:22 PM, you wrote: > I have > observed that a small number of messages for those accounts do not get > filtered with each mail download and remain in an account's inbox > until I use the re-filter tool to properly distribute those messages. Yes! Thanks for writing about that. I hope there is an answer. I have one, of three, account, all of which are different accounts of my own domain. One of those consistently leaves some messages in INBOX until I re-filter, w/o having made changes to the existing Filters. Confounds me. -- Best regards, Robert Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
occasional filter failures + missing data
Hi, all, I use The Bat to manage 14 separate e-mail accounts that come, collectively, from three separate domain servers. Of those accounts, three--all of which are G-mail accounts--use filters to distribute mail into a number of subfolders. I have used these filters for years without incident. However, within the past 5-6 months, I have observed that a small number of messages for those accounts do not get filtered with each mail download and remain in an account's inbox until I use the re-filter tool to properly distribute those messages. In each case, the non-filtered messages belong in the last active folder (or folders) in the list of that account's folders. Clearly, there is nothing wrong with the filter: use of the re-filter tool ultimately results in proper distribution of the messages. Could the problem possibly be related to there only being 1.25 GB of useable free space remaining on the hard drive, or, is some other issue causing this problem? While the mail folder has a total of 10GB of data, the three mail accounts in question only have 677 MB, 710 MB, and 1.67 GB of data. Perhaps related to this problem is a secondary issue: the same folders into which some of the mail is not being filtered, display zero messages on the second computer on our home network. That computer is a 2-yr old laptop with lots of free space. Mail folders on that computer point to the mail folders on the primary computer for mail downloads. How can I fix this? -- Avram Sacks Using The Bat Ver. 4.2.44.2 on Win XP Pro SP3. Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
