Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Hello MAU, On Sat, 10 Jan 2009 02:15:26 +0100 GMT (10/01/2009, 08:15 +0700 GMT), MAU wrote: M But neither of them is perfect. I'll give you more details M tomorrow, it's past 2 AM and I'd like to get some sleep now. Sleep is not approved, the internet is suspended pending your detailled explanation. -- Cheers, Thomas. Life is an endless struggle full of frustrations and challenges, but eventually you find a hair stylist you like. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.0.28.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.1.11 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Hi On Monday 12 January 2009 at 11:43:53 AM, in mid:42289979.20090112124...@rancho-k.com, MAU wrote: See my note dated 11-may-2006 in this wish list item: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1542 Duly supported, having appreciated a similar feature previously in newsreader applications in the past and currently reading several mailing lists but no newsgroups. -- Best regards, MFPA Nothing a Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster won't cure! Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Hello MFPA, Neat. From your previous post, I wondered if TB! had an Ignore function I had not discovered - but you have implemented your own (-: See my note dated 11-may-2006 in this wish list item: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=1542 -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.9.1 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Hi On Saturday 10 January 2009 at 12:01:51 PM, in mid:1567108895.20090110130...@rancho-k.com, MAU wrote: What the 'Ignore' filter does is very simple, it just looks for certain keywords in the Subject, like for example IMAP (which I don't use and have nothing to say about), and if there is a match the message is marked as read and assigned to my Ignored colour group. I see. So, when I want to ignore a thread (or branch) I right click on the first message and select Specials/Watch replies in../Ignore and every time I I get new messages that belong to this thread, they will be displayed in the Ignore watch folder. What I do then before going to the specific folder for a newsgroup or mailing list to browse/read new messages is to select my Ignore folder and Ctrl+M to mark all messages as read. And that is basically all. Neat. From your previous post, I wondered if TB! had an Ignore function I had not discovered - but you have implemented your own (-: -- Best regards, MFPA Man is not a rational animal, he is a rationalising animal. Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Hello MFPA, I don't actually read everything I get from mailing lists or newsgroups. I even 'Ignore' complete threads or branches so that any future messages will not bother me. How do you achieve that and what does it do? OK, last night I said: ,- [ ] | I use two different ways, one with and 'Ignore' filter and the other one | with an 'Ignore' Watch Folder. But neither of them is perfect. I'll give | you more details tomorrow, it's past 2 AM and I'd like to get some sleep | now. `- and here I am. What the 'Ignore' filter does is very simple, it just looks for certain keywords in the Subject, like for example IMAP (which I don't use and have nothing to say about), and if there is a match the message is marked as read and assigned to my Ignored colour group. This filter used to have a second condition looking for a list of MsgIDs in the References header. The list of MIDs was built and updated with the aid of a PowerPro keyboard macro (which was not reliable) and, as I am not too fond of using external 'windows tools or enhancements', I finally uninstalled PowerPro and never used it again. The 'Ignore' Watch Folder is the alternative to the second part of the filter and I use this mainly for newsgroups. As you probably know, watch folders are a special type of virtual folders that allow you to select a message in the message list and 'Watch replies in..' an already created watch folder. What this does is create and internal (and hidden) list of MIDs associated to the selected watch folder, so that any new message received that includes one of those MIDs in the References header will be displayed in the watch folder. So, when I want to ignore a thread (or branch) I right click on the first message and select Specials/Watch replies in../Ignore and every time I I get new messages that belong to this thread, they will be displayed in the Ignore watch folder. What I do then before going to the specific folder for a newsgroup or mailing list to browse/read new messages is to select my Ignore folder and Ctrl+M to mark all messages as read. And that is basically all. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.9 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Hello Jens, On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 12:29:35 +0100 GMT (09/01/2009, 18:29 +0700 GMT), Jens Franik wrote: Why and how do you 'mark as read' a message that you have NOT read? JF I do this too, because i look over the subjects and if it is a JF Flame-War i do not read the Messages, i will mark the Folder and JF CTRL-M it all read without reading it. Why is that? (Just asking.) Flame-wars are the most entertaining part of the internet! IMHO, of course, but the popcorn industry depends on it. -- Cheers, Thomas. 18. Donald Duck's middle name is Fauntleroy. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.0.28.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Samstag, 10. Januar 2009 at 16:27, Thomas Fernandez wrote: Why is that? (Just asking.) Flame-wars are the most entertaining part of the internet! IMHO, of course, but the popcorn industry depends on it. Well :-) Sometimes i read them as well, but the main time i have a lot of work, which is a entertaining as Flame-wars and over all makes me happy more than reading... -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.9.1 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.1.0.5 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.191.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Freitag, 9. Januar 2009 at 01:48, MFPA wrote: If not read but just marked as read they are red not bold. How do you manage to do that? I thought read as opened is the same as read by CTRL-M. -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.9 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.1.0.5 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Hello MFPA, It only changed the messages directly above the new one all the way up the thread. If the thread branched, those not above the new message didn't change. I have never seen such a behaviour. The default behaviour, which has always (or AFAIR) been like that, is that an 'unread' (not marked as 'read') message shows the Unread Flag and the text for whatever columns are displayed in the message list is bolded. Now, about threads. A collapsed thread (or thread branch) containing 'Unread' (not marked as 'read') messages is shown bolded but with no Unread Flag. When a bolded thread or thread branch is expanded, only 'unread' (not marked as 'read') messages will be bolded and will show the Unread Flag. My default view is that unread messages are listed bold red on a black background (my unread messages colour group). When read they go white and not bold (messages I have read colour group). I think you are complicating things here with colour groups. How do you assign them? With filters? Manually? If not read but just marked as read they are red not bold. This is a key issue I think. Why and how do you 'mark as read' a message that you have NOT read? -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.9 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Freitag, 9. Januar 2009 at 11:45, MAU wrote: Why and how do you 'mark as read' a message that you have NOT read? I do this too, because i look over the subjects and if it is a Flame-War i do not read the Messages, i will mark the Folder and CTRL-M it all read without reading it. -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.9 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.1.0.5 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Hello Jens, Why and how do you 'mark as read' a message that you have NOT read? I do this too, because i look over the subjects and if it is a Flame-War i do not read the Messages, i will mark the Folder and CTRL-M it all read without reading it. Of course, we all do that I think. I don't actually read everything I get from mailing lists or newsgroups. I even 'Ignore' complete threads or branches so that any future messages will not bother me. But, if you read things in context: If not read but just marked as read they are red not bold. This is a key issue I think. Why and how do you 'mark as read' a message that you have NOT read? I may be wrong but I think MFPA is trying to make a distinction between messages that he has actually read and those only 'marked as read' and that he may want to actually read later, or not. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.9 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Freitag, 9. Januar 2009 at 12:49, MAU wrote: If not read but just marked as read they are red not bold. This is a key issue I think. Why and how do you 'mark as read' a message that you have NOT read? I may be wrong but I think MFPA is trying to make a distinction between messages that he has actually read and those only 'marked as read' and that he may want to actually read later, or not. Thats what i did not understand too, maybe a colorgroup stands for read that later, or something we will never guess without explanation, so let us drink some coffe first... :batcoffee: -- With kind Regards Jens Franik mailto:je...@gmx.de Picture of me? X-Rogue http://www.de2all.de/Kr_bat.jpg The Bat! 4.1.9 mit AntiSpamSniper 3.1.0.5 und Gaijin XMP Makro Plugin 1.1.91.0 Windows XP 5.1 build 2600 Service Pack 2 AMD Athlon Dual Core 4850e 2,50 GHz, 4 GB RAM 7 POP3 Accounts - 120 Folders Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Hi On Friday 9 January 2009 at 10:45:44 AM, in mid:1117674885.20090109114...@rancho-k.com, MAU wrote: I have never seen such a behaviour. Well it has always been the behaviour I have experienced in TB! until very recently. The default behaviour, which has always (or AFAIR) been like that, is that an 'unread' (not marked as 'read') message shows the Unread Flag and the text for whatever columns are displayed in the message list is bolded. That is my experience too, although I have added colour groups to make it leap out at me without having to concentrate on looking at the flags. It also allows me to distinguish between a message I have never read and one I have marked as unread because I need to attend to it some other time non-urgently, for example. (see also description below) Now, about threads. A collapsed thread (or thread branch) containing 'Unread' (not marked as 'read') messages is shown bolded but with no Unread Flag. I experience the bold text here, too. I cannot comment on the flags as I didn't get on with them as a visual aid, so I use colour groups. The read message at the top of the collapsed thread is white, as per my messages I have read colour group but is bold. When a bolded thread or thread branch is expanded, only 'unread' (not marked as 'read') messages will be bolded and will show the Unread Flag. That differs from the behaviour I have always had until recently. Here, all the way from the top of the thread has been shown bold until recently. But only the new messages are in my unread colour group and therefore red. These red ones are still bold but the old messages no longer turn bold in this situation. I think you are complicating things here with colour groups. Each to their own. I find it enhances my user experience of TB!, unfortunately this recent change detracts from that user experience. How do you assign them? With filters? Manually? The colour scheme for my generic group is the same as my unread messages colour group, so all messages automatically look that way to begin with. (Before anybody asks, the only real use for my colour group called unread messages is that on the odd occasion when I want to manually re-assign a message to that colour scheme I cannot usually remember that I need to choose generic group) Once I read a message (display it for a few seconds) a Read messages filter sets the colour group to messages I have read. If I didn't want that, I manually change the colour group back. If not read but just marked as read they are red not bold. This is a key issue I think. Why and how do you 'mark as read' a message that you have NOT read? If I have no current interest in a discussion, I may select the whole (or part of the) thread andchoose mark as read from the context menu. This dismisses the bold text but does not change the colour group, so I know instantly when looking at the message list that I did not actually read those messages and may wish to another time. My colour scheme has been:- 1. White, not bold = has been read, nothing new below 2. White and bold = has been read, new message in thread 3. Red, not bold = not read, not interested at moment, nothing new below 4. Red and Bold = new message (or was a 3. and now has a new message in thread, which may cause me to re-evaluate my interest) This recent change has wrecked 2. and the bracketed part of 4. -- Best regards, MFPA Always borrow money from a pessimist - they don't expect it back Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Hi On Friday 9 January 2009 at 11:29:35 AM, in mid:143583429.20090109122...@gmx.de, Jens Franik wrote: Freitag, 9. Januar 2009 at 11:45, MAU wrote: Why and how do you 'mark as read' a message that you have NOT read? I do this too, because i look over the subjects and if it is a Flame-War i do not read the Messages, i will mark the Folder and CTRL-M it all read without reading it. Same as I achieve by selecting a chunk of messages in the folder and using the context menu to mark as read. Or I could be marking an individual message that I may come back to later. -- Best regards, MFPA Roses smell better than onions but don't make such good soup Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Hi On Friday 9 January 2009 at 11:49:56 AM, in mid:1498077832.20090109124...@rancho-k.com, MAU wrote: I don't actually read everything I get from mailing lists or newsgroups. I even 'Ignore' complete threads or branches so that any future messages will not bother me. How do you achieve that and what does it do? I may be wrong but I think MFPA is trying to make a distinction between messages that he has actually read and those only 'marked as read' and that he may want to actually read later, or not. Precisely. Colour groups work well for me in doing this. -- Best regards, MFPA Don't anthropomorphize computers - they hate it Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Hi On Friday 9 January 2009 at 11:58:33 AM, in mid:1029693046.20090109125...@gmx.de, Jens Franik wrote: maybe a colorgroup stands for read that later, or something we will never guess without explanation, so let us drink some coffe first... :batcoffee: Aw! I missed the coffee. It has grown to mean something like didn't read, was not interested or was too busy at time. might read later. Not dismissed as junk. Believe it merits more than simply deleting or archiving but probably not urgent. Adjust that as appropriate if looking at mailing list messages. -- Best regards, MFPA Don't ask me, I'm making this up as I go! Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Hi On Friday 9 January 2009 at 8:44:05 AM, in mid:593253693.20090109094...@gmx.de, Jens Franik wrote: Freitag, 9. Januar 2009 at 01:48, MFPA wrote: If not read but just marked as read they are red not bold. How do you manage to do that? I thought read as opened is the same as read by CTRL-M. I usually read in the preview pane. Any message displayed for 2 seconds triggers a filter that assigns it to my messages I have read colour group, where a read message is white and not bold. CTRL-M (or context menu/ mark as read) does not change the colour group. -- Best regards, MFPA You can't build a reputation on what you are going to do Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Hi On Friday 9 January 2009 at 1:39:58 AM, in mid:1041730292.20090108203...@gmail.com, Rick wrote: Are we perhaps talking about in a collapsed tree branch? If so then I never noticed. It would have to highlight to let you know there was an unread message in the branch (?) No we are not, although a collapsed branch is still displayed that way. -- Best regards, MFPA Always forgive your enemies; nothing annoys them so much Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Hi On Friday 9 January 2009 at 12:48:00 AM, in mid:1801542263.20090109004...@my_localhost, MFPA wrote: I think this changed when I upgraded from v4.0.32.4 to v4.0.38 but it may have been a slightly earlier upgrade. It was indeed a slightly earlier upgrade (-; I have just tested with some old versions and found the behaviour I describe occurs in versions 2.12.00 and 3.0.1.33 but not in 3.80.03, 3.80.06 and 4.0.32.4. If it took over two years to notice, maybe I shouldn't worry about it. But I still say the old way was better. -- Best regards, MFPA Was time invented by an Irishman named O'Clock? Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Hello MFPA, I have never seen such a behaviour. Well it has always been the behaviour I have experienced in TB! until very recently. After reading your mid:988919550.20090109220...@my_localhost I think you should redefine what you mean by 'always' and 'recently'. ;-) I think you are complicating things here with colour groups. Each to their own. Your are right. You should use what you like or suits you best. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.9 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Hello MFPA, I don't actually read everything I get from mailing lists or newsgroups. I even 'Ignore' complete threads or branches so that any future messages will not bother me. How do you achieve that and what does it do? I use two different ways, one with and 'Ignore' filter and the other one with an 'Ignore' Watch Folder. But neither of them is perfect. I'll give you more details tomorrow, it's past 2 AM and I'd like to get some sleep now. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v4.1.9 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Hi A new message at the bottom of a thread previously caused all messages above it in the thread to show as unread. I'm not sure when this was changed but it no longer does and I don't like the new way. How do I revert to the previous behaviour? I have not managed to find where to change this back -- Best regards, MFPA Look, it's a hat! It's not going to hurt you. Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Hi A new message at the bottom of a thread previously caused all messages above it in the thread to show as unread. I'm not sure when this was changed but it no longer does and I don't like the new way. How do I revert to the previous behaviour? I have not managed to find where to change this back I don't ever remember it changing the entire thread. -- Rick A great many people think they are thinking when they are really rearranging their prejudices. - William James v4.1.9 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Hi On Thursday 8 January 2009 at 10:52:39 PM, in mid:1467959260.20090108175...@gmail.com, Rick wrote: I don't ever remember it changing the entire thread. It only changed the messages directly above the new one all the way up the thread. If the thread branched, those not above the new message didn't change. My default view is that unread messages are listed bold red on a black background (my unread messages colour group). When read they go white and not bold (messages I have read colour group). If not read but just marked as read they are red not bold. Until quite recently, the messages above a new addition to the thread displayed white bold on a black background (unread setting in my messages I have read colour group), so it is very clear when scanning through the message list which threads have new additions. This visual aid is no longer there and it would be good to have it back. I think this changed when I upgraded from v4.0.32.4 to v4.0.38 but it may have been a slightly earlier upgrade. -- Best regards, MFPA Was time invented by an Irishman named O'Clock? Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Hello MFPA, On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 00:48:00 + GMT (09/01/2009, 07:48 +0700 GMT), MFPA wrote: I don't ever remember it changing the entire thread. M It only changed the messages directly above the new one all the way up M the thread. If the thread branched, those not above the new message M didn't change. I'm with Rick here, I never saw what you are now missing. Had they implemented it, I would have protested: Only unread messages should be shown as unread, not the messages above it. Because I have read them already. They are not unread, so they shouldn't be shown as unread only because a new message is added at the bottom. So, all is fine. -- Cheers, Thomas. Bit: Geschicktes Product Placement einer Brauerei in Computerliteratur und Zeitschriften. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.0.28.4 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: New message at bottom of thread no longer makes messages above it appear unread
Hello MFPA, On Fri, 9 Jan 2009 00:48:00 + GMT (09/01/2009, 07:48 +0700 GMT), MFPA wrote: I don't ever remember it changing the entire thread. M It only changed the messages directly above the new one all the way up M the thread. If the thread branched, those not above the new message M didn't change. I'm with Rick here, I never saw what you are now missing. Had they implemented it, I would have protested: Only unread messages should be shown as unread, not the messages above it. Because I have read them already. They are not unread, so they shouldn't be shown as unread only because a new message is added at the bottom. So, all is fine. Are we perhaps talking about in a collapsed tree branch? If so then I never noticed. It would have to highlight to let you know there was an unread message in the branch (?) -- Rick Dream as if you'll live forever, live as if you'll die today. - James Dean v4.1.9 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.1.7 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
