Re: Messages queued in "wrong" outbox
Hi On Tuesday 25 March 2014 at 4:29:18 PM, in , Thomas Fernandez wrote: > That doesn't seem to be the way the people with > problems use it. I think the OP's problem was the use of a Common Folder when the appropriate tool is a Common _Virtual_ Folder. -- Best regards MFPAmailto:2014-667rhzu3dc-lists-gro...@riseup.net Adults are obsolete children. Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages queued in "wrong" outbox
Hello Rick, On Sat, 22 Mar 2014 21:19:01 -0400 GMT (23-Mar-14, 08:19 +0700 GMT), Rick wrote: >> If you want to reply from different accounts, putting the mails >> into a common inbox makes even less sense to me. I am not saying >> your way is wrong, everybody works differently. I just don't >> understand why you use a common inbox at all. > A common virtual folder gives you the convenience of a common inbox > yet you will always reply from the correct account That doesn't seem to be the way the people with problems use it. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 6.2.14 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages queued in "wrong" outbox
Hello Adrian, On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 09:22:07 +0100 GMT (23-Mar-14, 15:22 +0700 GMT), Adrian Godfrey wrote: > My customers (and everybody else) send me mail, but as many of them know > multiple email > addresses for myself and some even cc me at multiple email > addresses, I need to filter into a common "folder" based on > the sender rather than having to look in separate inboxes of all the > accounts I have created. Yes, you can use a filter that is shared across accounts to filter into a folder in an account that is appropriate for that sender. This way, if you reply, you already reply from the appropriate account. There is no need to filter into a common Inbox. > I filter _everything_ out of those separate account inboxes into > proper "folders" using common filters Then you should not have a problem - unless you mix everything into a common Inbox, which was the problem reported. > and a catch-all "move to notsorted" (another "common folder") in > each account for anything I might have missed. Why? I leave those messages just in the account they arrived at. If there is a reason to have them (automatically) moved to another account, I'll create a filter for that. Creating a filter to move them to a common Inbox does not seem to be logical to me - you will still have to assign an account to send from when you reply, so it's double handling aqnd inefficient. > Anyway the immediate problem is solved. I know what to do now using > the status line in the message editor rather than the drop-down "from" > list. Yes, the status line lets you change the accout too. I just noticed. ;-) -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 6.2.14 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[OT] Selecting "From" address in Outlook (Was: Re: Messages queued in "wrong" outbox)
Hi On Monday 24 March 2014 at 7:02:30 AM, in , Feli Wilcke wrote: > That is wrong. When you have defined more than one > addresse there is a small dropdown list to choose from > besides the sending address. We do not have this small drop-down list in Outlook where I work. If we leave the "from" field empty the message is sent from the individual's default role account. Otherwise we have to type the address into the "from" field or select it from the global addressbook. If you don't have permission to send from the address you put in the from field, the message either bounces, or doesn't go at all. For sending from an address that is not in the global addressbook, the procedure is quite convoluted. I have to refer to the relevant self-help article on our intranet when my primary role email address has changed since I last did it. -- Best regards MFPAmailto:2014-667rhzu3dc-lists-gro...@riseup.net Everyone makes mistakes. It is what you do afterwards that counts. Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages queued in "wrong" outbox
Hello MFPA, On Sun, 23 Mar 2014 14:47:41 +GMT MFPA wrote: M> Except Outlook has ... M> no simple way of selecting accounts when you want to send from an M> address that is not your primary/default account. That is wrong. When you have defined more than one addresse there is a small dropdown list to choose from besides the sending address. M> I wish we could use M> TB! at work instead of being forced to use Outlook. I second that. -- Regards, Feli:de-bb: The Bat! Version 6.3.0.8 (ALPHA) (64-bit) on Windows 7 6.1 7601 Service Pack 1 If you have a procedure with ten parameters, you probably missed some. [Alan J. Perlis] Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages queued in "wrong" outbox
Hi On Saturday 22 March 2014 at 11:51:28 PM, in , Thomas Fernandez wrote: > I don't understand why you filter all messages into a > common inbox to begin wiht. When I moved to TB!, it was > because TB! was able to seperate the inboxes, something > which Outlook and others have now copied. Except Outlook has no Mail Ticker to alert you to messages that are in a different inbox, no Virtual Folders to emulate a common inbox, and no simple way of selecting accounts when you want to send from an address that is not your primary/default account. I wish we could use TB! at work instead of being forced to use Outlook. -- Best regards MFPAmailto:2014-667rhzu3dc-lists-gro...@riseup.net There is no snooze button for a cat that wants breakfast Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages queued in "wrong" outbox
Hi On Sunday 23 March 2014 at 8:22:07 AM, in , Adrian Godfrey wrote: > I need to filter into a common "folder" > based on the sender rather than having to look in > separate inboxes of all the accounts I have created. > I filter _everything_ out of those separate > account inboxes into proper "folders" using common > filters I don't know if Common Virtual Folders would suit your way of working, but as Rick already suggested, they are well worth a look. A virtual folder displays all messages in the folders you tell it to follow, if they match the filter. Since a virtual folder is just a view of messages that actually reside in other folders, it does no affect which account is used to reply to a message. > and a catch-all "move to notsorted" > (another "common folder") in each account for anything > I might have missed. Just out of interest, if you use common filters for the rest, why do you not use a common filter for "move to notsorted"? -- Best regards MFPAmailto:2014-667rhzu3dc-lists-gro...@riseup.net Courage is not the absence of fear, but the mastery of it. Using The Bat! v4.0.38 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages queued in "wrong" outbox
Hello Thomas, My customers (and everybody else) send me mail, but as many of them know multiple email addresses for myself and some even cc me at multiple email addresses, I need to filter into a common "folder" based on the sender rather than having to look in separate inboxes of all the accounts I have created. I filter _everything_ out of those separate account inboxes into proper "folders" using common filters and a catch-all "move to notsorted" (another "common folder") in each account for anything I might have missed. Anyway the immediate problem is solved. I know what to do now using the status line in the message editor rather than the drop-down "from" list. Adrian Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages queued in "wrong" outbox
>If you want to reply from different accounts, putting the mails into a common >inbox makes even less sense to me. I am not saying your way is wrong, >everybody works differently. I just don't understand why you use a common >inbox at all. A common virtual folder gives you the convenience of a common inbox yet you will always reply from the correct account -- Rick Money is the new religion and Science, it's priesthood v6.3.0.8 (ALPHA) on Windows 6.2 Build 9200 Using all POP accounts I download all images Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages queued in "wrong" outbox
Hello Adrian, On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 17:06:03 +0100 GMT (20-Mar-14, 23:06 +0700 GMT), Adrian Godfrey wrote: > I don't quote here any more. Last time I quoted here, I got admonished > for it, despite my new text being much more more than what I actually > quoted. Please quote sensibly, it's not difficult and help to understand what you are talking about. > The point is when I pick the account to send from is that the outgoing > messages does NOT get put into that account's outbox. It gets put in > the outbox of the original account and I have to move it from there > manually. How can TB! know which account to send from if you don't tell it to? -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 6.2.14 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages queued in "wrong" outbox
Hello Jim, On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 09:48:42 -0500 GMT (20-Mar-14, 21:48 +0700 GMT), Jim Kyle wrote: >> When I reply and select the personality I actually want to use for >> sending my reply from, queuing the message does not put it into the >> outbox for the personality I selected (but does show that personality in >> the "from" line), so the send fails. Is this normal? Have I missed a >> setting somewhere? > I, roo, filter most messages using Common Folders, and my replies used to > be rejected by some servers because they were sent from the "wrong" > account. I never thought of moving from one outbox to another, however. I don't understand why you filter all messages into a common inbox to begin wiht. When I moved to TB!, it was because TB! was able to seperate the inboxes, something which Outlook and others have now copied. If you want to reply from different accounts, putting the mails into a common inbox makes even less sense to me. I am not saying your way is wrong, everybody works differently. I just don't understand why you use a common inbox at all. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 6.2.14 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages queued in "wrong" outbox
Hello Adrian, > I now wonder what the point is of being able to select an account at > all on the "from" line itself. If I understand your 'problem' correctly, what you are selecting from the drop-down list in the From field is just that, a From address, not an account. -- Best regards, Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain) Using The Bat! v6.3.0.8 (ALPHA) My photos at: http://www.Rancho-K.com My photoblog: http://mau.aminus3.com Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages queued in "wrong" outbox
Hello Thomas and Marck Problem solved. It's the bottom line in the message editor window that is the key. If I change the sending account here (the right hand one of the three in the middle), it works and gets queued in the appropriate outbox so that the send does not fail. I now wonder what the point is of being able to select an account at all on the "from" line itself. I like The Bat, otherwise I wouldn't have paid for it. It is in fact now my primary email client, but I still haven't moved quite everything from Eudora yet. Thanks very much for the help. Adrian Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages queued in "wrong" outbox
Hello Thomas, I don't quote here any more. Last time I quoted here, I got admonished for it, despite my new text being much more more than what I actually quoted. The point is when I pick the account to send from is that the outgoing messages does NOT get put into that account's outbox. It gets put in the outbox of the original account and I have to move it from there manually. Adrian Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages queued in "wrong" outbox
Thursday, March 20, 2014, 5:54:01 AM, you wrote: > When I reply and select the personality I actually want to use for > sending my reply from, queuing the message does not put it into the > outbox for the personality I selected (but does show that personality in > the "from" line), so the send fails. Is this normal? Have I missed a > setting somewhere? I, roo, filter most messages using Common Folders, and my replies used to be rejected by some servers because they were sent from the "wrong" account. I never thought of moving from one outbox to another, however. Someone on this list told me about the "Account" macro that can be used in the templates for each folder, and presumably for each personality although I've never set up multiple personalities, just multiple accounts. It can also be used in the templates of address book entries, including groups. This makes account selection completely automatic, with no need for me to keep track of any of these details. This may work for you also. -- Best regards, Jimmailto:j...@jimkyle.com Using The Bat! v4.2.36.4 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 on VirtualBox 4.2.18 under Xubuntu 12.04.3 with AntiSpamSniper Version 3.2.4.5 Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages queued in "wrong" outbox
Dear Adrian, @20-Mar-2014, 2:17 +0100 (20-Mar 13:42 here) Adrian Godfrey [AG] in mid:917173991.20140320144...@ags.lu said: AG> In Eudora, I just pick a personality from the list of accounts I AG> have created. There is only ONE Outbox for all messages in the AG> outgoing mail queue irrespective of which account I selected. A correctly configured SMTP server should not be asked to handle relaying for alien domains unless it is a routing or receiving server. Single outbox was one of the reasons I dumped Eudora and not something you should look to emulate. AG> Similarly in Eudora, there is only one Inbox which you create filters ... AG> I cannot find that same functionality in The Bat. They are known as "Common Filters". Instead of having one Inbox for all accounts (horribly inflexible), in The Bat you can filter all inbound messages for general distribution. ... AG> sent. But if I do change the account, I have to make a mental note AG> of which one it was and then move from that outbox afterwards to AG> the outbox for the account I actually want to send from. In the middle of the editor window status bar is an indicator of which account you are currently using. Left click to change account. Simple. Vive la difference! If every piece of software had exactly the same features with identical interfaces, what point would the be of having different software? I was also a one time Eudora user. There is nothing Eudora did that TB doesn't do better. There is also a large list of things TB does that Eudora doesn't. It just takes getting used to the differences and getting to grips with the new paradigm. -- Cheers -- Marck D Pearlstone -- List moderator and fellow end user TB! v6.3.0.7 (ALPHA) on Windows 6.2.9200 ' pgpPuWfV3kv9y.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages queued in "wrong" outbox
Hello Adrian, On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 14:42:17 +0100 GMT (20-Mar-14, 20:42 +0700 GMT), Adrian Godfrey wrote: > In Eudora, I just pick a personality from the list of accounts I > have created. Right. And in TB!, you just pick the account you want to use to send the message, as explained in my posting which you have completely deleted. You can even create folder personalities within the same account. TB! is far superior to Eudora in this respect. > There is only ONE Outbox for all messages in the outgoing mail queue > irrespective of which account I selected. Sure; it is one of the reasons I abandoned Eudora for TB!. > Similarly in Eudora, there is only one Inbox which you create filters > for accordingly to get the new messages in appropriate places rather > than tied to specific email addresses. So? You can achieve the same inefficiency in TB!, if you want. > I cannot find that same functionality in The Bat. Sorry to learn that you did not read my previous reply. > If I don't change the account when I reply, then the messages get > sent. But if I do change the account, I have to make a mental note > of which one it was and then move from that outbox afterwards to the > outbox for the account I actually want to send from. Hey, you said you want to control which account you reply from. Now you don't want to keep track of your decision? Please make up your mind what you want. -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 6.2.14 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages queued in "wrong" outbox
Hello Thomas, In Eudora, I just pick a personality from the list of accounts I have created. There is only ONE Outbox for all messages in the outgoing mail queue irrespective of which account I selected. Similarly in Eudora, there is only one Inbox which you create filters for accordingly to get the new messages in appropriate places rather than tied to specific email addresses. I cannot find that same functionality in The Bat. If I don't change the account when I reply, then the messages get sent. But if I do change the account, I have to make a mental note of which one it was and then move from that outbox afterwards to the outbox for the account I actually want to send from. Something similar happens with completely new messages, if the cursor happens to be on one of the accounts. _that_ outbox gets used irrespective of which account you actually select. Adrian Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Messages queued in "wrong" outbox
Hello Adrian, On Thu, 20 Mar 2014 11:54:01 +0100 GMT (20-Mar-14, 17:54 +0700 GMT), Adrian Godfrey wrote: > When I reply and select the personality I actually want to use for > sending my reply from, queuing the message does not put it into the > outbox for the personality I selected (but does show that personality in the > "from" line), so the send fails. Is this normal? There is a setting under Accouint / Properties / General: [ ] This account is the default I don't know whether it would apply in your case, when replying from a common folder. Let's read on: > Have I missed a setting somewhere? If I happen to notice, I move > that queued message from the "wrong" outbox to the "correct" one and > the send then works. If you move the outgoing message to another Outbox, the From header will not be changed. Instead, in the editor you choose: Options / Active Account / This works for me when I need to switch the account I want to reply from. I have 13 active email addresses. > Is there a "common" outbox irrespective of which personality I > actually select so that I don't need to keep moving messages between > outboxes? No, it wouldn't make sense to have a common Outbox. How would TB! know which SMTP server to use, for example? -- Cheers, Thomas. http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 6.2.14 under Windows 7 6.1 Build 7601 Service Pack 1 Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
