Re: "New version available" dialog box

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Geoff,

On Tue, 8 Sep 2015 05:55:25 +0100 GMT (08-Sep-15, 11:55 +0700 GMT),
Geoff Lane wrote:

> I've looked first thing each morning since, and it seems that the
> option "auto re-enables" every day :(

Consider this customer service. The system knows what you want before
you ask. Ritlabs has learned from Apple:
http://indianexpress.com/article/technology/tech-news-technology/apple-hiring-more-artificial-intelligence-experts-as-it-takes-aims-at-google/

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Re: "New version available" dialog box

[Geoff Lane]

Using The Bat! 5.8.8 on Windows Vista Build 6002

On Sunday, September 6, 2015, 9:22:40 AM, Peter Meyns wrote:

> Options - Preferences - Other Options - Confirmations - [ ]Check for
> updates when The Bat! starts

Arghh! I unchecked this option. I then closed and reopened the Options
dialog box to see if it was still unchecked (it was). However, the "New
version available" message has since reappeared. On opening the
Options dialog box, I noted that the "check for updates" option has
somehow been enabled again. I've looked first thing each morning
since, and it seems that the option "auto re-enables" every day :(

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Re: "New version available" dialog box

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Jack,

On Mon, 7 Sep 2015 15:34:18 -0500 GMT (08-Sep-15, 03:34 +0700 GMT),
Jack S. LaRosa wrote:

> Hello Leonard,

> On Monday, September 07, 2015 you wrote:

LSB>> On Sunday, September 6, 2015, 12:54:39 PM, you (tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) 
wrote:

>>> I too am running 5.2.2 and I found the trigger here:

>>> OPTIONS - PREFERENCES - UPDATES (right above "Other options")


LSB>> Thanks. I see it now. It is already checked, but I do not receive any
LSB>> update information when TheBat starts.

> Out of curiosity I ticked the box for "Check for updates when the Bat starts"
> the closed TB! and re-started it.  No update information here either.  Perhaps
> it happens only *when* they announce a new version?

I believe it only checks when TB! is opened for the first time on that
day.

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Re: "New version available" dialog box

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Leonard,

On Monday, September 07, 2015 you wrote:

LSB> On Sunday, September 6, 2015, 12:54:39 PM, you (tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) 
wrote:

>> I too am running 5.2.2 and I found the trigger here:

>> OPTIONS - PREFERENCES - UPDATES (right above "Other options")


LSB> Thanks. I see it now. It is already checked, but I do not receive any
LSB> update information when TheBat starts.

Out of curiosity I ticked the box for "Check for updates when the Bat starts"
the closed TB! and re-started it.  No update information here either.  Perhaps
it happens only *when* they announce a new version?

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Re: "New version available" dialog box

[Leonard S. Berkowitz]

On Sunday, September 6, 2015, 12:54:39 PM, you (tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) wrote:

> I too am running 5.2.2 and I found the trigger here:

> OPTIONS - PREFERENCES - UPDATES (right above "Other options")


Thanks. I see it now. It is already checked, but I do not receive any
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Re: "New version available" dialog box

[Jack S. LaRosa]

Hello Leonard,

On Sunday, September 06, 2015 you wrote:

LSB> On Sunday, September 6, 2015, 4:22:40 AM, Peter Meyers 
(tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) wrote:

>> Options - Preferences - Other Options - Confirmations - [ ]Check for
>> updates when The Bat! starts

LSB> I am on 5.2.2. I do not have the Update Entry. What version do I need
LSB> for that entry?

LSB> What would be an upgrade path to the current version?

LSB> Thank you.

I too am running 5.2.2 and I found the trigger here:

OPTIONS - PREFERENCES - UPDATES (right above "Other options")

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Re: "New version available" dialog box

[Geoff Lane]

Using The Bat! 5.8.8 on Windows Vista Build 6002

On Sunday, September 6, 2015, 5:00:23 PM, Leonard S. Berkowitz wrote:

> I am on 5.2.2. I do not have the Update Entry. What version do I need
> for that entry?

I'm on 5.8.8 and the update option is there for that version. It
wasn't for the version of TB 5 for which I upgrated. IIRC, 5.8.8 was
the latest stable version of TB5 last time I checked and I don't want
to buy a licence for version 6 or 7.

> What would be an upgrade path to the current version?

https://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/upgrade_policy.php should
have the information you seek.

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Re: "New version available" dialog box

[Leonard S. Berkowitz]

On Sunday, September 6, 2015, 4:22:40 AM, Peter Meyers 
(tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com) wrote:

> Options - Preferences - Other Options - Confirmations - [ ]Check for
> updates when The Bat! starts

I am on 5.2.2. I do not have the Update Entry. What version do I need
for that entry?

What would be an upgrade path to the current version?

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Re: "New version available" dialog box

[Geoff Lane]

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On Sunday, September 6, 2015, 9:22:40 AM, Peter Meyns wrote:

> on  Sun, 6 Sep 2015 08:34:14 +0100GMT (06.09.2015, 09:34 +0100GMT here),
> Geoff Lane wrote:

GL>> Is there a registry hack or other way to stop this dialog box
GL>> appearing whenever I open TB?

> Options - Preferences - Other Options - Confirmations - [ ]Check for
> updates when The Bat! starts


Many thanks -- much appreciated.

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Re: "New version available" dialog box

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Geoff,

on  Sun, 6 Sep 2015 08:34:14 +0100GMT (06.09.2015, 09:34 +0100GMT here),
Geoff Lane wrote:

GL> Is there a registry hack or other way to stop this dialog box
GL> appearing whenever I open TB?

Sorry, forgot one step:

Options - Preferences - Other Options - Confirmations - [ ]Check for
updates when The Bat! starts

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Re: "New version available" dialog box

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Geoff,

on  Sun, 6 Sep 2015 08:34:14 +0100GMT (06.09.2015, 09:34 +0200GMT here),
you wrote:

GL> Is there a registry hack or other way to stop this dialog box
GL> appearing whenever I open TB?

Options - Preferences - Other Options - [ ]Check for updates when The
Bat! starts

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Re: New version?

[Cafe Noir]

Hello Mike,

Tuesday, March 25, 2014, 2:48:35 PM, you wrote:

> I'd written for help because after reinstalling The Bat (when I had
> to also reinstall my Windows 7 operating system), the Preferences
> window would not enlarge and would not allow me to make any changes.

> Basically, no one had a suggestion that worked, so I guess I'm
> going to try to solve the problem by upgrading to a new version of The Bat.

> I'm currently using 4.2.44.2.

> Does anyone have a suggestion as to which version is the most
> stable? The current version seems to be 6.3.2, but when I try to see
> what's new in that version, the link is broken. That doesn't make me
> feel very comfortable about that version.

> Thanks.


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Hi Mike,

I'm  using v5.8.8 and haven't had any problem.  Did consider upgrading
awhile back, but found this version better.

Karla

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Re: New version 4.0.24

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Rick,

On Thu, 24 Apr 2008 21:04:03 -0400 GMT (25/04/2008, 08:04 +0700 GMT),
Rick wrote:

R> Works like a charm now. Fixed. THe only thing is the message window
R> stays in back of the main window and you have to click it to get it to
R> the front

Confirmed. But if you choose Send To / Mail Recipient, the editor
winow opens correctly in the front.

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Re: New version 4.0.24

[Rick]

> Does anyone know whether the earlier bug in 4.0.11, 4.0.14 and 4.0.18
> has been fixed in this new version?

> The bug in Windows XP meant that when you right-click on a file in
> windows explorer to send to The Bat, it opened The Bat but did not
> open a new email with the attachment in it. Then when you tried to
> quit, it would not do so; you had to use Task Manager to close it.

> If anyone knows, it would save a lot of trouble in uninstalling and
> reinstalling.

Works like a charm now. Fixed. THe only thing is the message window
stays in back of the main window and you have to click it to get it to
the front


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Re: New Version

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Monday, December 31, 2007, Richard wrote:

> Anybody know when V4 is supposed to be released?

we are in alpha stage and beta stage is soon, as I think, we can expect it
in january 2008

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Re: New Version 3.62.05 : one bug solved, one bug staying, one bug appears

[Ludovic LE MOAL]

Hi,

On Monday, October 31, 2005 at 6:19:05 PM, WilWilWil wrote:

> LLM> This is not what asked...

> Sorry, I didn't understood. I don't understand anymore... ;-) What are you 
> talking about ?

I spoke about the « - » missing at the end, not about the rogue line.

You wrote :

',- [  ]
'| %SetHeader("X-Rogue",":wilwilwil:")%
`-

I suggested :

',- [  ]
'| %SetHeader("X-Rogue",":wilwilwil:")%-
`-
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Re: New Version 3.62.05 : one bug solved, one bug staying, one bug appears

[MFPA]

Hi

On Monday 31 October 2005 at 5:19:05 PM, in
, WilWilWil wrote:

> %SetHeader("X-Rogue",":wilwilwil:")%
>>> LLM> --^

>>> LLM> Isn't there a « - » missing there? I would have written :

>>> LLM> %SetHeader("X-Rogue",":wilwilwil:")%-

>>> Even if I delete the Rogue line in the template
LLM>> This is not what asked...

> Sorry, I didn't understood. I don't understand anymore... ;-) What are you 
> talking about ?

> @

I believe Ludovic referred to the difference between

%SetHeader("X-Rogue",":wilwilwil:")%

and

%SetHeader("X-Rogue",":wilwilwil:")%-

(one of them ends in a dash)
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Re: New Version 3.62.05 : one bug solved, one bug staying, one bug appears

[Gerard]

ON Monday, October 31, 2005, 7:24:00 PM, you wrote:
MM> .08 build had one specific bugfix, next build has many fixes and I
MM> expect, it will be announced.

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Re: New Version 3.62.05 : one bug solved, one bug staying, one bug appears

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Monday, October 31, 2005, WilWilWil wrote:

MM>> it is fixed in 3.62.09, wait for it.

> Who knows when a silent release is available at
> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/download.php 

> How can I know that systematically ? TBBETA ?

.08 build had one specific bugfix, next build has many fixes and I
expect, it will be announced.

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Re: New Version 3.62.05 : one bug solved, one bug staying, one bug appears

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Monday, October 31, 2005, WilWilWil wrote:

> Well... Come back with version 3.62.08, and with my favorite
> character as you can see below ! :-  Thank you Rit ! :-)

> @

it is fixed in 3.62.09, wait for it.

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Re: New Version 3.62.05 : one bug solved, one bug staying, one bug appears

[MAU]

Hello Alexander,


> 9Val, do you read this? ;-)
>

I believe he reads only TBBeta, but I'm not sure.

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Re: New Version 3.62.05 : one bug solved, one bug staying, one bug appears

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello WilWilWil & everyone else,

on 31-Okt-2005 at 18:29 you (WilWilWil) wrote:

ASK>> Is it this: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5256 maybe?

> Exactly what I have ! If I switch to Micro Ed for new mail instead of
> HTML/PlainText, the problem doesn't occur !

> It seems to be fixed in 3.62.07... I just had a look at Ritlabs Web Site,
> but the version available is always the version of 28 oct. that I
> downloaded it 2 days ago and it was the 3.62.05. How can I reach the
> 3.62.07 that bugtrack say this problem is solved in it ? I hope it is not
> a beta...

No its not. They silently replaced the MSI with a more recent version.

If you download it now, you'll get 3.62.08 btw.

Funny thing is that I complained about that yesterday evening, describing
(in theory) exactly what has happened to you now.

9Val, do you read this? ;-)

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Re: New Version 3.62.05 : one bug solved, one bug staying, one bug appears

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello WilWilWil & everyone else,

on 29-Okt-2005 at 17:37 you (WilWilWil) wrote:

> 3- I don't understand why all new mails begin with the character "@"
> just before the cursor in the new blank editor. :-(

Is it this: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=5256 maybe?

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Re: New Version 3.62.05 : one bug solved, one bug staying, one bug appears

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello WilWilWil & everyone else,

on 30-Okt-2005 at 16:24 you (WilWilWil) wrote:

> I've found the origin of the problem : the %CURSOR in the template
> becomes @ in the editor !

From the wrapping of your message I assume you are using the Windows
editor?

But anyway... I just set my editor prefs to the Windows Editor (I normally
use MicroEd), and I don't have any @ where the %CURSOR macro is.

Are you absolutely sure that you haven't defined another reply template,
for example if you have an addressbook entry in TB, or a folder template,
or... ?

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Re: New Version 3.62.05 : one bug solved, one bug staying, one bug appears

[Ludovic LE MOAL]

Hi,

On Sunday, October 30, 2005 at 4:11:52 PM, WilWilWil wrote:

>>> %SetHeader("X-Rogue",":wilwilwil:")%
> LLM> --^

> LLM> Isn't there a « - » missing there? I would have written :

> LLM> %SetHeader("X-Rogue",":wilwilwil:")%-

> Even if I delete the Rogue line in the template
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Re: New Version 3.62.05 : one bug solved, one bug staying, one bug appears

[WilWilWil]

I've found the origin of the problem : the %CURSOR in the template becomes @ in 
the editor !

What can I do ?

Second problem : if I delete the template in preferences of account for new 
mail, I can't create a mail anymore with this account ! %BLANK does not work 
too !

I'm tired of always new bugs on new versions !

@
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Re: New Version 3.62.05 : one bug solved, one bug staying, one bug appears

[Ludovic LE MOAL]

Hi,

On Sunday, October 30, 2005 at 12:41:32 PM, WilWilWil wrote:

> %SetHeader("X-Rogue",":wilwilwil:")%
--^

Isn't there a « - » missing there? I would have written :

%SetHeader("X-Rogue",":wilwilwil:")%-

instead.
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Re: New Version 3.62.05 : one bug solved, one bug staying, one bug appears

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Wil,

On Sat, 29 Oct 2005 18:37:50 +0200GMT (29-10-2005, 18:37 +0200, where
I live), you wrote:

W> 3- I don't understand why all new mails begin with the character
W> "@" just before the cursor in the new blank editor. :-(

Could you post us your template?

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Re: new version minimal glyphs

[Miroslav Florensen]

Hello Rich,

> So I take it 3.x glyphs will not work under v2.12?

you can take this Glyph Set for TheBat! v1.x/v2.x
[29 KB] http://thebat.zetema.de/zip/glyph_original_v3_to_v2.zip

I adapted the v3 Glyph for Version v1/v2, unfortunately the quality is
not the best.

Preview: http://thebat.zetema.de/original.html#v3tov2

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Re: new version minimal glyphs

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello rich gregory & everyone else,

on 20-Aug-2005 at 18:58 you (rich gregory) wrote:

> So I take it 3.x glyphs will not work under v2.12?

Correct. The v2 versions used the "glyphs.bmp" file, v3 however uses an
entirely new system, allowing for different icons sizes and such.

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Re: new version minimal glyphs

[Miroslav Florensen]

Hello Chuck,

> Help me. How exactly do you use GLYPH's in v3.5x?

you can use your own Glyph Set, by using the Batskin.xml.
You find a documentation of the Batskin.XML file here:
› http://thebat.zetema.de/batskin_docu_en.html (English)
› http://thebat.zetema.de/batskin_docu_de.html (German)


If you need only the Batskin.xml:
[3 KB] http://thebat.zetema.de/zip/batskin_XML_org_360.zip


You can use this Glyph Set as a template, there is a install instruction
inside the Zip-archiv:
[126 KB] http://thebat.zetema.de/zip/glyphs_original_350.zip


At present there are only few Glyph Sets, which were adapted for the
version v3.5 and higher. Here you find an overview:
› http://thebat.zetema.de/glyphs.html

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Re: new version minimal glyphs

[A.Translator]

Chuck Smith drukte met precisie uit :

I have copied BMP file to bat directory where thebat.exe resides but
nothing happens.


I don't know about other glyphs, but this is what you do with the minimal ones:

Close TB!

Copy both minimal.png and minimal-small.png to the TB directory,
choose a size (I like the middle 24 x 24) open the folder and copy the 
batskin.xml you'll find inside also to your TB directory.


Start TB! up again.


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Re: new version minimal glyphs

[Chuck Smith]

Hello Bat Lovers,

Friday, August 19, 2005, 2:08:06 PM, you wrote:

A.Translator>> Miroslav Florensen has finished a new version of this clean and
A.Translator>> elegant minimal glyphs, meant for TB! 3.5 and later.

> Thanks for this link, the Glyph is excellent!

Help me. How exactly do you use GLYPH's in v3.5x?

I have copied BMP file to bat directory where thebat.exe resides but
nothing happens.

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Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Jack,

On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 15:13:36 -0400GMT (7-8-2005, 21:13 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

>> It means, just go ahead with what you are doing anyway. Forget about
>> the registry key (that .reg file) you have. You don't need it any more
>> and would cause damage if you double-clicked on it now.

JM> But I've *already* clicked on it, as requested.

Thomas meant the full registry back-up for TB. Not the single key file
with your registration key that I extracted from it.

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Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Handsome,

On Sun, 7 Aug 2005 14:15:00 -0400 GMT (08/08/2005, 01:15 +0700 GMT),
Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:

>> Since TB is running on your machine now, just go ahead and continue
>> setting up accounts. That's my advice.

HJM> Or what that means, either.

It means, just go ahead with what you are doing anyway. Forget about
the registry key (that .reg file) you have. You don't need it any more
and would cause damage if you double-clicked on it now.

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Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Handsome,

On Sat, 6 Aug 2005 12:31:24 -0400 GMT (06/08/2005, 23:31 +0700 GMT),
Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:

HJM> Can I do that now(close TB and double-click on that file), or should I
HJM> wait until after I have set-up all my other accounts?

You should have done that before setting up accounts, because it would
have saved you work. Now that you have set them up already, I wouldn't
reimport the old registry key any more, because you will lose the info
you have already typed in. The registry key will be overwritten.

Since TB is running on your machine now, just go ahead and continue
setting up accounts. That's my advice.

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Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Handsome,

On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 11:31:18 -0400 (GMT-04:00) GMT (05/08/2005, 22:31 +0700 GMT),
Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:

HJM> And *of course* it was a nice step-by-step set of instructions
HJM> (and my thanks go out to Alexander for at least trying to
HJM> help me), provided you're used to doing that kind of stuff.  But I'm not.

That's why he posted what to do step-by-step.

HJM> No, he didn't explain how to backup the registry key, so it was a
HJM> good opportunity for you to do so, or so I would have thought.

Close TB.

Windows: Start / Run / Regedit.

The registry editor will open.

Find the key HK_Current_User / Software / RIT and highlight it.

Go File / Export and export the key to a convenient location.

For restoring the key after you have followed Alexander's
instructions, close TB and double-click on that .reg file. Windows
will import it automatically. Open TB and see your settings restored.

HJM> And the mods can either learn to be more flexible when someone
HJM> basically has no other choice, or I suppose they could ban me.
HJM> Because I can't do anything about it right now.

Yes, you can. Step 1: Cool down. Step 2: Even with webmail, you can
use inline quoting. We are trying to help you here. Cooperation from
your side is appreciated.

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Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Handsome Jack Morrison & everyone else,

on 05-Aug-2005 at 19:55 you (Handsome Jack Morrison) wrote:

>>Out of thousands of users, you've been one of the few unlucky ones with
>>problems. The best thing you can do now is track down the problem and
>>help the developers.

> That's what I'm trying to do, Alexander, but it seems like they're more
> interested in slapping me with fish

...but thats the business of our evil twisted moderators. ;-) They're not
the ones who maintain the program, but have an eye on the list rules, and
its the basement for the overall friendly & helpful atmosphere here.

Most of the developers are not very active on this list (more on TBBETA),
but then again, if they had to keep up with all the listmail, they couldn't
fix the bugs! :-)

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Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Handsome,

on Fri, 5 Aug 2005 13:55:47 -0400 (GMT-04:00)GMT (05.08.2005, 19:55 +0200GMT 
here),
you wrote:

HJM> This message is as conformative as I can make it, given what I have to 
work with.

HJM> If it still violates the rules, so be it.

I don't think it does. Even the sig delimiter works in your /inferior/
application. LOL

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Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

[Handsome Jack Morrison]

[]

>> I'm not even sure that I'm skilled enough to do all of those things.

>Its not so difficult. If you can copy files and install/uninstall program,
>you're almost there.

We'll see.

>I didn't describe how to back up the registry settings, but thats not
>difficult, either.

>Click Start, Run and type "regedit". The registry editor will open. On the
>left, navigate to the "HKEY_CURRENT_USER" branch and open it. Locate
>"Software" and open it. Locate "Rit" and right-click it. A popup menu will
>open, select "Export", a file requester will open, enter some name, click
>on "Save" and you have successfully backed up TB's registry settings.

Thank you, Alexander.

I'll give it a try this weekend.

Your help is *extremely* appreciated by me.

>> However, I'm starting to lose confidence in the stability of The Bat.

>Some local setting at your end got corrupted somehow, and the developers of
>the program where not aware of this corruption to happen. So, they didn't
>know that they have to catch it. Out of thousands of users, you've been one
>of the few unlucky ones with problems. The best thing you can do now is
>track down the problem and help the developers.

That's what I'm trying to do, Alexander, but it seems like they're more 
interested in slapping me with fish because I'm having such a hard time 
complying with list netiquette, thanks to the LOUSY web-based interface my ISP 
provides me.

I'm going to try to use the Gmane server over the weekend and post through 
there, using my new copy of Agent 3.0, so that my posts will look prettier to 
everyone and maybe get all the fish-slapping stopped.

>> But I don't like the way these troubles keep popping up.

>Neither would I.

This message is as conformative as I can make it, given what I have to work 
with.

If it still violates the rules, so be it.

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Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Handsome Jack Morrison & everyone else,

on 05-Aug-2005 at 13:46 you (Handsome Jack Morrison) wrote:

> I can't believe that I have to go through all of that just to recover
> from a simple "upgrade."

> I'm not even sure that I'm skilled enough to do all of those things.

Its not so difficult. If you can copy files and install/uninstall program,
you're almost there.

I didn't describe how to back up the registry settings, but thats not
difficult, either.

Click Start, Run and type "regedit". The registry editor will open. On the
left, navigate to the "HKEY_CURRENT_USER" branch and open it. Locate
"Software" and open it. Locate "Rit" and right-click it. A popup menu will
open, select "Export", a file requester will open, enter some name, click
on "Save" and you have successfully backed up TB's registry settings.


> However, I'm starting to lose confidence in the stability of The Bat.

Some local setting at your end got corrupted somehow, and the developers of
the program where not aware of this corruption to happen. So, they didn't
know that they have to catch it. Out of thousands of users, you've been one
of the few unlucky ones with problems. The best thing you can do now is
track down the problem and help the developers.


> But I don't like the way these troubles keep popping up.

Neither would I.

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Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

[Handsome Jack Morrison]

Two Bat fiascos out of two Bat "upgrades" must be some kind of record, too.

Unfortunately, I'm basically forced to post this way because I'm posting from a 
LOUSY, web-based e-mail client that my provider supplies.  Otherwise I wouldn't 
be able to post/read at all.

Hopefully you'll bear with me until I can get back to using TB.

And, no, I don't expect "upgrades" to mess things up *this* badly, where I'm 
basically dead in the water, and backups won't even help me.  It's never 
happened to me before.  Ever.

And *of course* it was a nice step-by-step set of instructions (and my thanks 
go out to Alexander for at least trying to help me), provided you're used to 
doing that kind of stuff.  But I'm not.

No, he didn't explain how to backup the registry key, so it was a good 
opportunity for you to do so, or so I would have thought.

And the mods can either learn to be more flexible when someone basically has no 
other choice, or I suppose they could ban me.  Because I can't do anything 
about it right now.

Maybe if they spent more time helping me than they're spending slapping me with 
assorted fish, I'd be up and running by now and able to fully comply with the 
list's rules.  I'm not a scoflaw by nature.

No, I'm not in a very good mood right now.

And if you think that you're "annoyed"...

Jack

-Original Message-----
From: Thomas Fernandez <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Aug 5, 2005 9:10 AM
To: Handsome Jack Morrison on TBUDL 
Subject: Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

Hello Handsome,

You got five mod-postings for a single message. That must be a record.

On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 07:46:24 -0400 (GMT-04:00) GMT (05/08/2005, 18:46 +0700 GMT),
Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:

HJM> I can't believe that I have to go through all of that just to
HJM> recover from a simple "upgrade."

Not usually. You have an unusual problem, and Alexander just described
how you can solve it.

HJM> I'm not even sure that I'm skilled enough to do all of those things.

I thought it was a nice step-by-step instruction. Remember to back-up
the registry key, he didn't describe how to do that.

HJM> I'm going to study your message for a while, and then, if I
HJM> think I can pull it off, I'll give it a try this weekend at home,
HJM> when I have time enough to do all those things.

Please ask if you have further questions, but make sure you follow the
list rules as outlined by the mods. Another thing is that your
messages don't thread, which is annoyance to some (including me), so I
hope you'll be back to using a professional email client again soon.

-- 

Cheers,
Thomas.

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Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Handsome,

You got five mod-postings for a single message. That must be a record.

On Fri, 5 Aug 2005 07:46:24 -0400 (GMT-04:00) GMT (05/08/2005, 18:46 +0700 GMT),
Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:

HJM> I can't believe that I have to go through all of that just to
HJM> recover from a simple "upgrade."

Not usually. You have an unusual problem, and Alexander just described
how you can solve it.

HJM> I'm not even sure that I'm skilled enough to do all of those things.

I thought it was a nice step-by-step instruction. Remember to back-up
the registry key, he didn't describe how to do that.

HJM> I'm going to study your message for a while, and then, if I
HJM> think I can pull it off, I'll give it a try this weekend at home,
HJM> when I have time enough to do all those things.

Please ask if you have further questions, but make sure you follow the
list rules as outlined by the mods. Another thing is that your
messages don't thread, which is annoyance to some (including me), so I
hope you'll be back to using a professional email client again soon.

-- 

Cheers,
Thomas.

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Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

[Handsome Jack Morrison]

Alexander, thanks for the reply. 

I can't believe that I have to go through all of that just to recover from a 
simple "upgrade."

I'm not even sure that I'm skilled enough to do all of those things.

I'm going to study your message for a while, and then, if I think I can pull it 
off, I'll give it a try this weekend at home, when I have time enough to do all 
those things.

However, I'm starting to lose confidence in the stability of The Bat.

The last time I "upgraded" (to v3.5) I totally lost my address books.  
Thankfully, with the help of the folks here I was eventually able to recover 
them.

But I don't like the way these troubles keep popping up.

Fool me once...

:(

Jack

-Original Message-
From: "Alexander S. Kunz" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Aug 3, 2005 3:09 PM
To: Handsome Jack Morrison on TBUDL 
Subject: Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

Hello Handsome Jack Morrison & everyone else,

on 03-Aug-2005 at 20:21 you (Handsome Jack Morrison) wrote:

> Does anyone else have any ideas about how I can get my Bat back?

I can't remember the previous conversation, but lets try to get it flying
again.

One of the (albeit cumbersome) methods that has been practiced with success
in the past was...

1. Completely back up your old installation (registry keys, installation
directory, mail directory - don't use TB's internal backup function, but
simply copy the files manually to a safe location).

2. Uninstall the entire program, including the mail directories, and
re-install it from scratch, without restoring your backups.

3. Re-create your accounts as they were before (same names, same pathes for
mail directories) - one by one. For each account you created, copy the
files you backed up before back, then check if the program is still
running. This way, you can identify the account thats giving you the
headache.

4. When you found the problematic account, try to remove/rename the account
configuration files (account.xxx) one by one. You will eventually find the
configuration file that is causing the problems.

When you found it, do NOT delete the file!!! Preserve it. You can send it
to the TB developers with an information about the problems the file
caused, so that they can look into it, to avoid such problems in the
future.

HTH

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Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Handsome Jack Morrison & everyone else,

on 03-Aug-2005 at 20:21 you (Handsome Jack Morrison) wrote:

> Does anyone else have any ideas about how I can get my Bat back?

I can't remember the previous conversation, but lets try to get it flying
again.

One of the (albeit cumbersome) methods that has been practiced with success
in the past was...

1. Completely back up your old installation (registry keys, installation
directory, mail directory - don't use TB's internal backup function, but
simply copy the files manually to a safe location).

2. Uninstall the entire program, including the mail directories, and
re-install it from scratch, without restoring your backups.

3. Re-create your accounts as they were before (same names, same pathes for
mail directories) - one by one. For each account you created, copy the
files you backed up before back, then check if the program is still
running. This way, you can identify the account thats giving you the
headache.

4. When you found the problematic account, try to remove/rename the account
configuration files (account.xxx) one by one. You will eventually find the
configuration file that is causing the problems.

When you found it, do NOT delete the file!!! Preserve it. You can send it
to the TB developers with an information about the problems the file
caused, so that they can look into it, to avoid such problems in the
future.

HTH

-- 
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Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

[Handsome Jack Morrison]

Marek appears to have abandoned me. 

Does anyone else have any ideas about how I can get my Bat back?

Thanks!

Jack

-Original Message-
From: Handsome Jack Morrison <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Jul 29, 2005 5:28 PM
To: tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com
Subject: Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

Marek, it didn't work.

I got this MS error message:

AppName: thebat.exe AppVer: 3.51.10.0 ModName: thebat.exe
ModVer: 3.51.10.0 Offset: 005d1d4a

Is there anything else I could try?

I'm still dead in the water.

Thanks!

Jack

-Original Message-
From: Marek Mikus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Jul 29, 2005 9:24 AM
To: tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com
Subject: Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

Hello all,
Friday, July 29, 2005, Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:

> Marek, okay.  Tonight I'll find the "account.srb" file, back it up,
> remove it, and then try to load TB again.

> I assume "if it helps, send it to me" means that I should send you
> a copy of the account.srb file, if this works?

yes, if will be account.srb source of your problem, send it to me.

-- 

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Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

[Handsome Jack Morrison]

Marek, it didn't work.

I got this MS error message:

AppName: thebat.exe AppVer: 3.51.10.0 ModName: thebat.exe
ModVer: 3.51.10.0 Offset: 005d1d4a

Is there anything else I could try?

I'm still dead in the water.

Thanks!

Jack

-Original Message-
From: Marek Mikus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Jul 29, 2005 9:24 AM
To: tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com
Subject: Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

Hello all,
Friday, July 29, 2005, Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:

> Marek, okay.  Tonight I'll find the "account.srb" file, back it up,
> remove it, and then try to load TB again.

> I assume "if it helps, send it to me" means that I should send you
> a copy of the account.srb file, if this works?

yes, if will be account.srb source of your problem, send it to me.

-- 

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Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Friday, July 29, 2005, Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:

> Marek, okay.  Tonight I'll find the "account.srb" file, back it up,
> remove it, and then try to load TB again.

> I assume "if it helps, send it to me" means that I should send you
> a copy of the account.srb file, if this works?

yes, if will be account.srb source of your problem, send it to me.

-- 

Bye

Marek Mikus
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Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

[Handsome Jack Morrison]

Marek, okay.  Tonight I'll find the "account.srb" file, back it up, remove it, 
and then try to load TB again.

I assume "if it helps, send it to me" means that I should send you a copy of 
the account.srb file, if this works?

Thanks again for your help, Marek.

Jack


-Original Message-
From: Marek Mikus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Jul 29, 2005 8:00 AM
To: tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com
Subject: Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

Hello all,
Friday, July 29, 2005, Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:

> Marek, I tried what you recommended last night, but TB still
> freezes at the splash screen and won't load.

> This is the error message I get:
> szAppName : thebat.exe szAppVer : 3.51.10.0 szModName : hungapp
> szModVer : 0.0.0.0 offset :  

> Any other ideas?

many versions ago there was problem with starting of thebat and
removing account.srb file helped. Backup this file and start TB
without it, if it helps, send it to me.

-- 

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Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Friday, July 29, 2005, Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:

> Marek, I tried what you recommended last night, but TB still
> freezes at the splash screen and won't load.

> This is the error message I get:
> szAppName : thebat.exe szAppVer : 3.51.10.0 szModName : hungapp
> szModVer : 0.0.0.0 offset :  

> Any other ideas?

many versions ago there was problem with starting of thebat and
removing account.srb file helped. Backup this file and start TB
without it, if it helps, send it to me.

-- 

Bye

Marek Mikus
Czech support of The Bat!
http://www.thebat.cz

Using the best The Bat! 3.51.10
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Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

[Handsome Jack Morrison]

Marek, I tried what you recommended last night, but TB still freezes at the 
splash screen and won't load.

This is the error message I get:
szAppName : thebat.exe szAppVer : 3.51.10.0 szModName : hungapp 
szModVer : 0.0.0.0 offset :  

Any other ideas?

-- 
Jack



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Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

[Handsome Jack Morrison]

Marek, I did what you recommended last night, but The Bat still freezes up at 
the splash screen.

This is the error message I get:
szAppName : thebat.exe szAppVer : 3.51.10.0 szModName : hungapp 
szModVer : 0.0.0.0 offset :    

Any other ideas?  

Jack

-Original Message-
From: Marek Mikus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Jul 28, 2005 9:28 AM
To: tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com
Subject: Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

Hello all,
Thursday, July 28, 2005, Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:

> The program FREEZES at the opening splash screen.

try to backup tbuser.def file in MAIL, remove it and restart program.

-- 

Bye

Marek Mikus
Czech support of The Bat!
http://www.thebat.cz

Using the best The Bat! 3.51.10
under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1
Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line

 



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Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

[Handsome Jack Morrison]

-Original Message-
From: Marek Mikus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Jul 28, 2005 9:28 AM
To: tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com
Subject: Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

Hello all,
Thursday, July 28, 2005, Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:

>> The program FREEZES at the opening splash screen.

>try to backup tbuser.def file in MAIL, remove it and restart program.

Okay, I'll try that when I get home tonight.

Thanks, Marek.

-- 

Bye

Marek Mikus
Czech support of The Bat!
http://www.thebat.cz

Using the best The Bat! 3.51.10
under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1
Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line

 



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Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Thursday, July 28, 2005, Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:

> The program FREEZES at the opening splash screen.

try to backup tbuser.def file in MAIL, remove it and restart program.

-- 

Bye

Marek Mikus
Czech support of The Bat!
http://www.thebat.cz

Using the best The Bat! 3.51.10
under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1
Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line

 



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Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

[Handsome Jack Morrison]

-Original Message-
From: Marek Mikus <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Jul 28, 2005 8:38 AM
To: tbudl@thebat.dutaint.com
Subject: Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

Hello all,
Thursday, July 28, 2005, Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:

> ...nothing...

Oh, come on now.  It was more than "nothing."

>can You be more specific? 

The program FREEZES at the opening splash screen. 

I can leave the computer and come back an hour later (waiting for it to load) 
and the splash screen is still there and nothing else.  The program just won't 
open.

As I explained previously, I reinstalled version 3.5.1 several times, rebooted 
several times, and still just get the freeze at the splash screen.  Then the 
error message.

>What happens? Any error or warning? 

I get the Microsoft error message, and it asks for permission to send it to 
Microsoft, which I did.

Repeatedly.

>Did You installed new version from scratch or upgraded old one? 

I "upgraded" from 3.5 to the newest version, 3.5.1.

What system do
You have? etc. etc.

HP Pavillion Notebook, 512 MB RAM, Windows XP Home, SP2, totally patched and up 
to date.

I know this isn't a great amount of information, but it's all I have at this 
time.  


-- 

Bye

Marek Mikus
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Using the best The Bat! 3.51.10
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Current version is 3.51.10 | 'Using TBUDL' information:
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Re: New version of The Bat won't load!

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Thursday, July 28, 2005, Handsome Jack Morrison wrote:

> ...nothing...

can You be more specific? What happens? Any error or warning? Did You
installed new version from scratch or upgraded old one? What system do
You have? etc. etc.

-- 

Bye

Marek Mikus
Czech support of The Bat!
http://www.thebat.cz

Using the best The Bat! 3.51.10
under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 1
Notebook Acer, Pentium4-M 2.2 GHz, 512 MB RAM, ADSL line

 



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Using Smiley Images [was Re: New version threading]

[Mary Bull]

Hello Steve!

On Saturday, May 14, 2005, 1:14 PM, you wrote, in part:

> 

Smileys work from text handles that call images. You cannot view them
in the Edit Mail Message window.

To view them in View Message windows of any kind (including VFs and
Browse Mail Ticker), you have to select RTV. A handy right-click
context menu for the message body will let you switch from PTV to RTV.
In that same menu, tick the box for Smileys.

(There's a place in the Main Window Options/Preferences/Viewer-Editor
to choose HTML/Rich Text View, plus a check box for Smileys, also.)

You have a set of Default Smileys plus their .msl handles in The
Bat!/Images folder.

To put one of those in, just type the handle (or c&p it into your
message body text.) Be sure to include the enclosing colons ( : : )
with no space between handle and colons. Important: be sure to have a
space on either "outside" of the colons.

To use the additional images (not all of them Smileys, though we have
them on the Smiley page--we have a large collection of flags, too),
download them from:

http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/PCWSmileys.php

Put the pcwimages folder in The Bat!/Images. Also, put the
pcwsmileys.msl file in The Bat!/Images.

The Default folder there is your collection of images that came with
TB!, and default.msl, which you can open in a text reader such as
Notepad is your collection of handles for those.

So, after you get the PCWize Smiley page Smileys, you'll have 2
folders and 2 .msl files in The Bat!/Images.

Forgive me if I'm redundant. A look in the Images folder alone would
have been enough for you to figure this out, I'm sure.

If I haven't told this clearly, please ask. I guess I really should
work up a QT with a mini-tutorial for answering questions about using
Smileys. :)

I'm tickled to tell you how to play with these, as I am the Official
Keeper of the Smileys! :) Hope it's okay to brag--actually I'm just
Leif Gregory's helper with this.

9Val had the original Smileys-called-from-text-handles idea, and then
Leif (I think with some more input from 9Val), expanded on it. Some of
us on TBOT were privileged to help beta-test the page, and then Leif
asked if I would help him out as the page's administrator.

Die-hard PTV users don't have much use for the concept. Others, like
me, have had an immense amount of fun with them. :)

-- 
Best regards,
Mary, PCWSmileys Administrator
http://www.PCWize.com/thebat/PCWSmileys.php
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Re: New version threading

[Chris]

Steve Lee @ 2005-May-14 2:14:59 PM
"New version threading" 

> 

Just type the characters for it: colon, dash, and close parenthesis.

:-)

Press F9 to view the source of this message and you will see that the
above line is nothing more than text.

-- 
Chris
Quoting when replying to this message is good for your karma.

Using The Bat! v3.0.1.33 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2
Accessing a POP3 mailbox.

There are 10 types of people in this world: those you can read binary
and those who can't.


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Re: New version threading

[Mary Bull]

Hello Steve!

On Saturday, May 14, 2005, 6:11 AM, you wrote:

>> So, I'm glad you like it. I've just been informed, via a post on
>> tbbeta, that the new beta series is already beginning.

>> Come over and help us, if you want to. :)

> I would love to but as with VA I never got involved with the beta
> program because my data is too previous and I dare not risk corruption
> or loss.

I understand completely.

It's nice, however, to see you in conversation with Stefan Tanurkov
here. So at least we have one channel through which to reap the
benefit of your expertise. :)

-- 
Best regards,
Mary
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Re: New version threading

[Mary Bull]

Hello Steve!

On Friday, May 13, 2005, 6:51 PM, you wrote:

> Well it looks like I came just in time.

> The new threading is a great improvement thank you.

So, I'm glad you like it. I've just been informed, via a post on
tbbeta, that the new beta series is already beginning.

Come over and help us, if you want to. :)

-- 
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Mary
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Re: New version released during my 30-day trial: to upgrade or not?

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Mike,

@27-Jul-2004, 05:50 Mike email (The Bat!) said:

MDP>> As for reverting, it's usually pretty a simple job.

> Usually?

90% of people reverting have no problem doing so by just installing
the previous executable. Very few releases stay public domain for
long with unfixed serious bugs, so few people need to revert.
Sometimes people report disasters reverting, but "Backup is your
friend" :-) .

>>>   Would my trial restart or continue?

MDP>> It would continue.

> To be expected if new releases come often.

They're not exactly thick and fast - maybe as many as four a year?
Although, having said that, this year seems to be a bit quicker than
that.

-- 
Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone --List moderator and fellow end user
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Re: New version released during my 30-day trial: to upgrade or not?

[Ben Allen]

Howdy Mike,

Tuesday, July 27, 2004, 1:22:32 AM, Mike wrotened:

Mike>   I am on the 19th day of my 30-day trial of The Bat! and a new version has
Mike>   been released in the meantime. Do I continue with v2.11.02 or upgrade to
Mike>   v2.12.xx?

It  makes sense to upgrade, because of the advantage of bug fixes, but
if you are not having problems with v2.11.02 then it is not essential.

Mike>   What are the advantages/disadvantages of upgrading

http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/news_detail.php?ID=542

Mike> and could I easily revert?

You  can  revert  by  installing  v2.11.02 over the top of v2.12.xx or
unpacking the rar file.

Mike>   Would my trial restart or continue?

It would continue.




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Re: New version released during my 30-day trial: to upgrade or not?

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Mike,

@27-Jul-2004, 01:22 Mike email (The Bat!) said to The:

> I am on the 19th day of my 30-day trial of The Bat! and a new
> version has been released in the meantime. Do I continue with
> v2.11.02 or upgrade to v2.12.xx?

It's entirely your choice.

> What are the advantages/disadvantages of upgrading and could I
> easily revert?

Advantages: You get to try and use all the shiny new features.
Disadvantages: You may get snagged by "unexpected twists" in them.

The current improvements are focused on IMAP operation, with each
new release seeing numerous bug fixes. If that interests you then an
upgrade is a must.

As for reverting, it's usually pretty a simple job.

>   Would my trial restart or continue?

It would continue.

-- 
Cheers -- //.arck D Pearlstone --List moderator and fellow end user
TB! v2.12.03 on Windows XP 5.1.2600 Service Pack 1
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Re: New Version Spotted 2.01.3

[MAU]

Hello Jonathan,

> ...this is very much an "out of the box" IMAP install.

Ahhh! I forgot you were talking about IMAP. I don't use IMAP at all, so
I'm afraid I can't be of much help.

-- 
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Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
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Re: New Version Spotted 2.01.3

[Allie Martin]

Joan Josep, [JJ] wrote:

JJ> This comes in very handy when we people are waiting to decide to
JJ> upgrade to v2 or not.

I'm pretty much enjoying v2 here. I think Jonathan is using IMAP
accounts exclusively. The new IMAP support is still in the teething
stages and it would appear that its performance varies greatly depending
on the IMAP server it interacts with. So, if you're using POP, you'll
not be experiencing Jonathan's problems.

-- 
 -= allie_M =- | List Moderator
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Re: New Version Spotted 2.01.3

[MAU]

Hello Jonathan,

> I wish I could say it was my mail servers fault, unfortunately I
> cannot, it's TB!. It's duplicating mail in my sent folder, and not
> sending any mail, when I try forcing a send of my own, it sends the
> duplicates. However I cannot remove the duplicates (manually, or by
> using kill dupes). So I'm reluctant to use TB at the moment :/

I assume so but, are you sure you are using v2.01.3 ?

> Eugh, and when will they make it so that if PGP isn't installed, and
> you have the "sign on complete" checked, it either tells you, or
> ignores the check... *grumbles*

You must have some kind of corrupt installation or registry settings. I
never use PGP but I have just selected "Sign on complete" and it is
totally ignored.

-- 
Best regards,

Miguel A. Urech (El Escorial - Spain)
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Re: New Version Spotted 2.01.3

[Jonathan Angliss]

> So I'm reluctant to use TB at the moment :/

And on that email being duplicated, I'm switching to the webmail client I
write... At least this way I know that my mail is being sent, it is being
copied to my sent folder, and it's not being duplicated... now to write a
PGP feature into it :/

-- 
Jonathan Angliss
([EMAIL PROTECTED])


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Re: New Version Spotted 2.01.3

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Saturday, October 25, 2003, Marck D Pearlstone wrote...

PO>> ... Mailing-list problems maybe?

> Nope. A quick check of the headers shows that the mailing list was
> resent it from Jonathan's outbound mail server.

I wish I could say it was my mail servers fault, unfortunately I
cannot, it's TB!. It's duplicating mail in my sent folder, and not
sending any mail, when I try forcing a send of my own, it sends the
duplicates. However I cannot remove the duplicates (manually, or by
using kill dupes). So I'm reluctant to use TB at the moment :/

Eugh, and when will they make it so that if PGP isn't installed, and
you have the "sign on complete" checked, it either tells you, or
ignores the check... *grumbles*

-- 
Jonathan Angliss
([EMAIL PROTECTED])

Once again, Odo wins the Twister championship.



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Re: New Version Spotted 2.01.3

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Peter,

@26-Oct-2003, 01:19 +0200 (00:19 UK time) Peter Ouwehand [PO] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Jonathan:

PO> ... Mailing-list problems maybe?

Nope. A quick check of the headers shows that the mailing list was
resent it from Jonathan's outbound mail server.

-- 
Cheers -- .\\arck D Pearlstone -- List moderator
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Re: New Version Spotted 2.01.3

[Jonathan Angliss]

On Monday, October 20, 2003, Melissa Reese wrote...

> I just installed v2.01.3, and now there is an option under
> Options/Preferences/General to enable the X-Mailer header. The
> default now is to have the header disabled.

> It's really unfortunate that this had to be "fixed" by those not at
> all at fault here. Is there anything we can do to help shutdown the
> original spammer/software that started this whole mess?

Unfortunately I doubt it, if anything was attempted, they would
probably be able to get away on a technicality on what the software is
designed to do, and not what the software is being used to. After all,
software writers cannot always be held accountable for the software
they write if done in good intentions. For example, they could claim
that the software was originally designed to be used to send mail to
willing participants. Unless you can prove otherwise, the software is
just being miss-used (just like TB could be with the mass-mailer
option).

-- 
Jonathan Angliss
([EMAIL PROTECTED])

"Code so clean...you can eat off it."



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Re: New Version Spotted 2.01.3

[John Morse]

Hi The_Bat! Users,

Tuesday, October 21, 2003, 3:37:10 AM, you wrote:

RK> My Spamassasssin says:
RK> *  1.2 PRIORITY_NO_NAME Message has priority setting, but no X-Mailer
RK> even though the message in question was sent with "normal" priority.

Is this saying that it needs the X-Mailer header in order to get mail
through?

-- 
Regards,
John




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Re: New Version Spotted 2.01.3

[Corne' (aka Cory)]

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 14:35:04 -0700, Melissa Reese <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:

>It's really unfortunate that this had to be "fixed" by those not at
>all at fault here.

That sure is - as usual, the good suffer for the bad.

>Is there anything we can do to help shutdown the
>original spammer/software that started this whole mess?

Not much, I'm afraid - educate e-mail users, change the world and weed
out all Outhouse (Exp) is the only way, but way out of reach for the
small minority that we are. Who is ever being taken serious when this
is discussed and you mention the possibility of using /other/ than
free or cracked software that is not prone to be virus-infected?
Personally, 1 out of 100 times if I recall well.

But as long as there are even sysadmins of huge corporations advising
me to assign a pretty DNS name to our company's mailserver, in this
respect I've not much confidence in fellow-bipeds. Duh.

-- 
Cory


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Re: New Version Spotted 2.01.3

[Roman Katzer]

On Monday, October 20, 2003, 23:18:22, Jim D wrote:

> And this has the aforementioned X-Mailer on/off toggle.

Doesn't help too much, though:

My Spamassasssin says:
*  1.2 PRIORITY_NO_NAME Message has priority setting, but no X-Mailer
even though the message in question was sent with "normal" priority.

Roman


-- 
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Re: New Version Spotted 2.01.3

[David Boggon]

Hi Steve,

on 20/10/03 you wrote:


ST> Where is it?

I installed the new version but for some reason the old the_bat.exe
was left in the folder.

I manually extracted the new exe and replaced in the program file and
v2.01.3 now works fine

-- 

David Boggon

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Re: New version of Entpack

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Andrew,

On Mon, 20 Oct 2003 19:09:05 +0100GMT (20-10-03, 20:09 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

AH> Why is the whole intpack included in one slightly large file
AH> instead of say splitting up the dictionaries (which probably don't
AH> change often) into separate files?

The intpack doesn't contain only libraries, but also translations of
the interface and those change from time to time with the adding of
features to TB. I suppose one collection is easier to maintain than
several separate files.

-- 
Groetjes, Roelof



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Re: New Version Spotted 2.01.3

[Steve Thomas]

Hello Jim,

Monday, October 20, 2003, 2:18:22 PM, you wrote:

JD> On 10/20/2003, in  Simon
JD> Fincham said:

>> Click Here ---)
>> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/download.php

JD> And this has the aforementioned X-Mailer on/off toggle.




Where is it?

-- 

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Re: New Version Spotted 2.01.3

[Jim D]

On 10/20/2003, in  Simon
Fincham said:

> Click Here ---)
> http://www.ritlabs.com/en/products/thebat/download.php

And this has the aforementioned X-Mailer on/off toggle.


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Re: New version notation?

[Thomas F]

Hello r,

On Tue, 4 Jun 2002 18:32:40 +0200 (MEST) GMT (04/06/02, 23:32 +0700 GMT),
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

>> TB! v1.60p-14F4B4B2 on Windows 2000 5.0.2195 Service Pack 2

rbgn> Is this the model for the future? including serial number?

You can use it in the present: %TheBatSerialNumber. Check out the help
file: Macros / Full alphabetic list.

-- 

Cheers,
Thomas.

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a big ring and her own VCR, 'cause she'll want to have videos of the
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Re: Blank Message Pane in XP (Was: Re: New Version updates... 1.60m... Groan)

[Thomas F]

Hello Keith,

On Thu, 23 May 2002 22:35:56 -0600 GMT (24/05/02, 11:35 +0700 GMT),
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

8sxc> Upgrade to 160m? (It does look like you're running it.) I
8sxc> definitely have to have it set to Microsoft with h.

The S/Mime bug was fixed with 1.60k. The whole point of Greg's
message. Update and all shall be well. ;-)

I don't know what is new in 1.60m, so I haven't updated to that
version yet.

8sxc> I haven't used S/MIME, so have no clue what's going on here, but
8sxc> it worked. Thanks.

The sender of the message you had problems with used S/Mime.

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Re[2]: Blank Message Pane in XP (Was: Re: New Version updates... 1.60m... Groan)

[RapidFX]

Hello...
See in-line comments below.

Thursday, May 23, 2002, 8:35:56 PM, you wrote:
8sxc> Hi, RapidFX.
8sxc>   Well, yes, but this is true for a valid message, too?
The message is valid, it is the encoding? I do not actually know.
I do know that every one I have received had this certificate info:

Issued To: Thawte FreeMail Member
S/MIME Certificate is invalid
The issuer of this certificate chain was not found.
Issued By: Personal Freemail RSA 2000.8.30

The senders were not all using TheBat! but some were.
Maybe that will help someone track down the issue.

8sxc>   I tried this and it works fine now
I do not know the consequences of using Microsoft CryptoAPI.
You may want to look into this.

8sxc>   Upgrade to 160m? (It does look like you're running it.) I definitely
8sxc>   have to have it set to Microsoft with h.
Yes, I am, but the issue was also "fixed" in beta 1.60k which is what
I upgraded to from whatever version was on the download page a couple
weeks ago, before version 1.60m.
Using "internal" do you get an "invalid signature" attachment?

8sxc>   I haven't used S/MIME, so have no clue what's going on here, but it
8sxc>   worked. Thanks.
TheBat! by default sets it as: Internal Implementation

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Re: Blank Message Pane in XP (Was: Re: New Version updates... 1.60m... Groan)

[8o4q-skup]

Hi, RapidFX.

On Thu, 23 May 2002 18:58:01 -0800 GMT your local time, which was
Thursday, May 23, 2002, 8:58 PM -0700 GMT here,
you wrote:

> this is the exact issue i had earlier, except when I opened the
> message the message title said "view folder for ..." whatever folder
> the message was in.

  Well, yes, but this is true for a valid message, too?
  
> I also was running XP.

> It has to do with an invalid sig.
> upgrade to latest, which is what i did and it solved the issue.
> Or, do what was told to me, can't remember who now?
> (insert credit here) said: goto options/smime/microsoft
> then check ok, and look at the message again. it should show.

  I tried this and it works fine now
  
> I switched back to "internal" after the upgrade, now i see the invalid
> sig attachment versus not being able to open the message or using
> MS
> 

  Upgrade to 160m? (It does look like you're running it.) I definitely
  have to have it set to Microsoft with h.

  I haven't used S/MIME, so have no clue what's going on here, but it
  worked. Thanks.

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Re: Blank Message Pane in XP (Was: Re: New Version updates... 1.60m... Groan)

[RapidFX]

Hello...
this is the exact issue i had earlier, except when I opened the
message the message title said "view folder for ..." whatever folder
the message was in. I also was running XP.

It has to do with an invalid sig.
upgrade to latest, which is what i did and it solved the issue.
Or, do what was told to me, can't remember who now?
(insert credit here) said: goto options/smime/microsoft
then check ok, and look at the message again. it should show.
I switched back to "internal" after the upgrade, now i see the invalid
sig attachment versus not being able to open the message or using
MS


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8sxc> Hi, Bill.
8sxc> On Thu, 23 May 2002 19:40:27 -0400 GMT your local time, which was
8sxc> Thursday, May 23, 2002, 5:40 PM -0700 GMT here,
8sxc> you wrote:
>> Earlier today there was a report that the message pane goes blank in
>> XP. I replied saying that I'd seen the problem, but that it apparently
>> had gone away once I turned off the HTML view.
>> Now, several hundred messages later, I can tell you that I haven't
>> seen the problem with HTML view turned off.
8sxc> Well, maybe
8sxc> I don't know if this is the same problem, but in my message list,
8sxc> message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Re: m v. h"
8sxc> from Michael Cusac, is followed by a message from Michael Disabato with
8sxc> subject "Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?"
8sxc> With the preview window open, when I move from Cusac's message to
8sxc> Disabato's, Cusac's continues to display in the preview window
8sxc> (headers and all). If I double click on Disabato's message, it opens
8sxc> in a new window, but is blank with no headers
8sxc> And it didn't help to turn off HTML view.
8sxc> I'm running 160h (not brave enough to upgrade to m!).


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Blank Message Pane in XP (Was: Re: New Version updates... 1.60m... Groan)

[8o4q-skup]

Hi, Bill.

On Thu, 23 May 2002 19:40:27 -0400 GMT your local time, which was
Thursday, May 23, 2002, 5:40 PM -0700 GMT here,
you wrote:

> Earlier today there was a report that the message pane goes blank in
> XP. I replied saying that I'd seen the problem, but that it apparently
> had gone away once I turned off the HTML view.

> Now, several hundred messages later, I can tell you that I haven't
> seen the problem with HTML view turned off.

Well, maybe

I don't know if this is the same problem, but in my message list,
message <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>, "Re: m v. h"
from Michael Cusac, is followed by a message from Michael Disabato with
subject "Re: Time for a TB! newsgroup?"

With the preview window open, when I move from Cusac's message to
Disabato's, Cusac's continues to display in the preview window
(headers and all). If I double click on Disabato's message, it opens
in a new window, but is blank with no headers

And it didn't help to turn off HTML view.

I'm running 160h (not brave enough to upgrade to m!).
  
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Re: New Version updates... 1.60m... Groan

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Mikem [M] wrote:
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M> Some people who tend to "break" software more than others are not
M> necessarily using it in more imaginative ways, but have just not
M> become "trained" in the bug-free path through the software. It is
M> often less a result of imagination and more a result of newbieness
M> that a user will stray into the bug-laden areas of a program. And
M> then there is also the factor of how predisposed the user will be
M> to mention the problems.

You may have hit a point here.

I suspect that one of the routes to a bug laden area is a massive
upgrade, meaning jumping from a 1.4x to a 1.60 version. Or going
backwards because of being unsatisfied. It seems to create problems.
Personally, I never downgrade by a far margin and have no problems
with TB!. I've used all released versions and tried just about every
beta. I've never lost mail out of the blue. When I see plans to make a
massive upgrade or downgrade posted, I usually look out for the
complaints and hope the person backed up.

Though real mishaps do occur, I do think that most of the negative
stuff that I've read are about program limitations or complaints based
on a poor or faulty understanding of TB! and its functionality.
Another contributor is that some users try to make TB! work *exactly*
how they want or exactly how the previously used clients work and
little issues/limitations come up that prevent this. Little issues
that often just require a different approach but there's a resistance
to welcoming a different approach so the implemented method is
criticised and the complaining starts. I'm not really saying anything
is particularly wrong with this. I just don't see that many posts
about TB! causing data loss and under these circumstances it's very
unlikely to be TB! but a system problem.

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Re: New Version updates... 1.60m... Groan

[Nick Andriash]

Hello Dierk Haasis,

On Thursday, May 23 2002 at 08:45 AM PDT, you wrote:

> I didn't read that in his statement.
 
Obviously I and the others were reading too much into the original Posting.
In all fairness, I think our 'reactions' are more a reflection of the
undeniable frustration the Users are feeling lately with RITLabs. My
apologies to Greg.


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Re: New Version updates... 1.60m... Groan

[MikeM]

On 5/24/02 at 12:20 AM tracer wrote:

>Everybody uses a program in his own way and some people are masters in
>breaking 'perfect' software. Thats why they are wanted as
>betatesters...
>having spend years in software and hardware support besides being in
>the development I can assure you that its often the same people
>getting the problems. NOT because they are stupid but because they use
>the software in more imaginative ways..
 =


I'm not sure I agree completely.  I had previously stated that I
migrated through three versions without any problems.  That is
different than saying that I have not found any problems in the
software.  

Some people who tend to "break" software more than others are not
necessarily using it in more imaginative ways, but have just not become
"trained" in the bug-free path through the software.  It is often less
a result of imagination and more a result of newbieness that a user
will stray into the bug-laden areas of a program.  And then there is
also the factor of how predisposed the user will be to mention the
problems.

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Re: New Version updates... 1.60m... Groan

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Nick!

On Thursday, May 23, 2002 at 5:29:51 PM you wrote:

> There have been many positive Postings about TB in this List, but this
> individual wrote in effect: I do not have any problems with TB so I do not
> understand why everyone else is having problems. It served no purpose
> whatsoever other than to 'slight' those having problems... an underlying
> suggestion that it was their incompetence that was at fault.

I didn't read that in his statement.

Well, everyone to his needs ...



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Re: New Version updates... 1.60m... Groan

[tracer]

Hello Dierk Haasis,
On Thu, 23 May 2002 17:45:57 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was Thursday, May 23, 2002, 10:45:57 PM (GMT+0700) my local time,




Dierk Haasis wrote:


> Hello Nick!

> On Thursday, May 23, 2002 at 5:29:51 PM you wrote:

>> There have been many positive Postings about TB in this List, but this
>> individual wrote in effect: I do not have any problems with TB so I do not
>> understand why everyone else is having problems. It served no purpose
>> whatsoever other than to 'slight' those having problems... an underlying
>> suggestion that it was their incompetence that was at fault.

> I didn't read that in his statement.

Neither did I...
Everybody uses a program in his own way and some people are masters in
breaking 'perfect' software. Thats why they are wanted as
betatesters...
having spend years in software and hardware support besides being in
the development I can assure you that its often the same people
getting the problems. NOT because they are stupid but because they use
the software in more imaginative ways..



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Re: New Version updates... 1.60m... Groan

[Nick Andriash]

Hello Dierk Haasis,

On Thursday, May 23 2002 at 12:14 AM PDT, you wrote:

> Considering that many people make their discontent with an application
> into a "What a crap" statement, it was high time to read something
> positive.

There have been many positive Postings about TB in this List, but this
individual wrote in effect: I do not have any problems with TB so I do not
understand why everyone else is having problems. It served no purpose
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Re: New Version updates... 1.60m... Groan

[Clive Taylor]

23 May 2002, 15:02, you wrote:

LT> FWIW, I have been looking at Poco Mail, because several 
LT> people (not on this list :-D) have told me it's much 
LT> better/easier than TB, 

What I don't like about PocoMail is that there's no way to turn off
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Re: New Version updates... 1.60m... Groan

[MikeM]

On 5/23/02 at 9:14 AM Dierk Haasis wrote:

>Hello Allie!
>
>On Wednesday, May 22, 2002 at 10:53:33 PM you wrote:
>
>> A sensitive and frustrated user with TB! problems may think he meant
>> this but I'm sure he didn't. :-)
>
>He did something that is not all to common nowadays: Instead of just
>stating his discontent, he just wanted to notice the good things in
>life.
>
>Considering that many people make their discontent with an application
>into a "What a crap" statement, it was high time to read something
>positive.
 =

I upgraded from the eval version I downloaded a couple of weeks ago, to
the recent beta version to the 1.60m version without skipping a beat.
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Re: New Version updates... 1.60m... Groan

[Graeme J Hosking]

Julius,

> Still don't get any prompts on the toolbar buttons. Been trying to fix with
> ver 160c, 160k, and now with 160m. No luck. Button darkens, but no prompt
> and I have to guess at what pictogram in button means... usually
> screw-up... groan!!

  What version of Windows are you running? Older versions of Windows
  (95, 98) need their common control DLL's upgrading for toolbars and
  buttons in some applications to work properly. I have no idea if
  this affects TB! but it certainly caught me out with some of my
  development projects in the past.

  If you have a modern version of IE installed then you've already got
  the updates, otherwise you can get them from the MS site.
  
  Apologies if this not relevant / already tried, etc.
  
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DH> Considering that many people make their discontent with an
DH> application into a "What a crap" statement, it was high time to
DH> read something positive.

My sentiments exactly.

It was a breath of fresh air reading it. :-)

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Re: New Version updates... 1.60m... Groan

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Allie!

On Wednesday, May 22, 2002 at 10:53:33 PM you wrote:

> A sensitive and frustrated user with TB! problems may think he meant
> this but I'm sure he didn't. :-)

He did something that is not all to common nowadays: Instead of just
stating his discontent, he just wanted to notice the good things in
life.

Considering that many people make their discontent with an application
into a "What a crap" statement, it was high time to read something
positive.


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G> I was just wondering if you were saying we are all dumbo's who
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A sensitive and frustrated user with TB! problems may think he meant
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Re: New Version updates... 1.60m... Groan

[Gerard]

ON Wednesday, May 22, 2002, 8:25:14 PM, you wrote:

R> Hello...
R> If you can't figure it out from my post

I was just wondering if you were saying we are all dumbo's who don't get
it, or that you are just incredibly smart.

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Re: New Version updates... 1.60m... Groan

[Gerard]

ON Wednesday, May 22, 2002, 6:50:38 PM, you wrote:

R> Hello...
R> I have ran TheBat! for years now and have never ever had any issues
R> like the ones people post here.
R> I know that means nothing to those that do seem to have issues, but
R> I just fail to understand how you all run into these problems. I have
R> used TheBat! on Win95, Win98, Win98se, Win2kPro, Win2kServer, WinXP.
R> I have used many many versions, Beta and release.
R> I've updated, installed new, dragged my "mail" folder back to new
R> setups.. Everything goes smooth.
R> Never had any issues.

Hi RapidFX,

 and your point being that ..?
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Re: New Version updates... 1.60m... Groan

[RapidFX]

Hello...
I have ran TheBat! for years now and have never ever had any issues
like the ones people post here.
I know that means nothing to those that do seem to have issues, but
I just fail to understand how you all run into these problems. I have
used TheBat! on Win95, Win98, Win98se, Win2kPro, Win2kServer, WinXP.
I have used many many versions, Beta and release.
I've updated, installed new, dragged my "mail" folder back to new
setups.. Everything goes smooth.
Never had any issues.
Anyway, thanks again for a great product.


Tuesday, May 21, 2002, 7:49:48 PM, you wrote:
JS> What am I doing wrong?? Ready to go back to FREE no hastle Outlook Express.
JS> Everything on the Bat! seems to be endless agony... 200 or so problem postings per
JS> day to the List... or is it just me??


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Re: New Version updates... 1.60m... Groan

[Dierk Haasis]

Hello Thomas!

On Wednesday, May 22, 2002 at 8:21:37 AM you wrote:

JS>> Ready to go back to FREE no hastle Outlook Express.

> No update no hassle!

No hassle with OE? Only when one doesn't pay attention to warnings
about security holes. One of the most frequent tips for being on the
safe side is, to use up-to-date software (especially OS and
applications connecting the computer to other machines).

And then, what about the automatization processes (like templates)
that TB! offers over OE? Even the interface of OE is much more
complicated than TB!'s, trading usability for good looks.

> If OE had a list like this, I bet you would see several thousand
> postings a day. I believe there are some NG's dedicated to that piece
> of software. Check them out and find that TBUDL list is peaceful,
> helpful, and to the point. :-)

Not to forget, his statistics is

a) plain wrong
b) not even "naive" but stupid.

Consider this: One member of the list asks for advice about a
"problem" (in quotation marks because I mean it to be the mathematical
term). Now fifty questions come in about the specific task at hand, as
the original post didn't mention enough particulars. after having
re-defined the problem another 50 answers come in. Now we stay at 102
postings. From half of them spring other discussions, some of them TB!
related like "I don't like the editor", some of them asking for other
apps like "that reminds me, has anyone seen a cheap all-purpose
editor". And then there are the fun posts, "Has anybody heard yet,
Stephen Jay Gould died recently ...".

Not to forget meta-discussions like this message.

For the record, I don't think there are as many postings in OE-related
newsgroups (for various reasons). I know for sure that Word newsgroups
have about 200-500 messages per day (all together). Most of them are
really about bugs and difficulties.



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Re: New Version updates... 1.60m... Groan

[Thomas F]

Hello Julius,

On Tue, 21 May 2002 23:49:48 -0400 GMT (22/05/02, 10:49 +0700 GMT),
Julius S. wrote:

JS> Ready to go back to FREE no hastle Outlook Express.

Do they also give you several updates per month? You see, you don't
need to outdate TB if you don't want to. Friends of mine just do it
every 2 years or so, which is about the same frequency as OE. No
update no hassle!

JS> Everything on the Bat! seems to be endless agony... 200 or so
JS> problem postings per day to the List... or is it just me??

If OE had a list like this, I bet you would see several thousand
postings a day. I believe there are some NG's dedicated to that piece
of software. Check them out and find that TBUDL list is peaceful,
helpful, and to the point. :-)

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