Re: The Bat! v5 Upgrade Experience
So, if you are holding off on an upgrade because you are afraid that TB! v5 will not be as good as your current version, my experience is that the upgrade is painless. If you are expecting a new look and feel to the software, then v5 is probably not for you, however! I tried v5 as well, but then went back after many weeks. At first, v5 seemed to work fine, but the longer I used it the more nuisances I discovered. For example: - At some point I needed to use TheBat without Internet connection (on a train). It's a pain, I can't remove Flags, can't save messages (since it tries to save them in the IMAP outbox on the server, which is not available), and so on. - I work a lot with virtual folders. Working inside these folders has become a pain, since they get constantly refreshed and messages disappear, see https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8929 - I also use quick search quite often. It used to work well in v4, but now doesn't, especially if you use several quick searches one after another, see https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/view.php?id=8932 I would recommend to everyone to stay with v4 if you can live with its bugs and don't want to risk trying out new ones :-) -- Best regards, Carsten Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v5 Upgrade Experience
Hello Paul, Thursday, January 5, 2012, 11:33:59 AM, you wrote: PB I have only 5 sets of filters for one account, but all is working just PB fine. TF Are you using POP or IMAP? PB POP. Thanks. Nobody knows yet why filters in v5 only sometimes don't work. I hope they are looking into this and find the reason. -- Cheers, Thomas. Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v5 Upgrade Experience
Hello Rick, Thursday, January 5, 2012, 9:41:45 AM, you wrote: R There are a couple of glitchy random things that happen and MAY be R happening on just my computer POP or IMAP? R POP - they have fixed most of the IMAP issues Thanks. I hope they will fix this elusive glitch next. I use only POP. -- Cheers, Thomas. Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v5 Upgrade Experience
Hello Ian A. White, On Wednesday, January 4, 2012, 12:24:37 AM, Ian A. White wrote: Current beta is 5.0.26.19 | 'Using TBBETA' information: So it comes down to is 5.0.26.19 an ALPHA or BETA. The announcement of this versions clearly states: The Bat! 5.0.26.19 (ALPHA) is available at So, which is right? It looks like the version footer has been updated, as it now says 5.0.30.2. I am using 5.0.30, which was downloaded from the main Ritlabs site, so it is a release version and not a beta. The ALPHA / BETA issue is confusing, but I am sticking to release versions for my day to day use and I follow TBBETA just so I can see what is happening with the development. -- Julian Using The Bat! v5.0.30 on Windows 7 6.1 Build 7600 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v5 Upgrade Experience
Hello Avram, On Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 6:42:24 PM, Sacks, Avram wrote: Does ver. 5 now work better with IMAP? If I do switch to IMAP, will IMAP mail that is filtered appear to be merged seamlessly with mail that has already been downloaded and filtered to one of two dozen folders. I did not have any particular problems with IMAP with v4, but there have been some improvements to IMAP so your experience might be better now. You cannot switch accounts from POP3 to IMAP so you would need to create new accounts. The existing messages would need to be moved into an IMAP folder to be accessible, but I kept my original POP3 folders with messages as archives rather than move messages, because I can search across multiple folders and accounts within TB anyway. The filtering works exactly the same way under IMAP, although I tend to use server-side filtering for arranging messages into folders, and use the filtering in TB for colour groups, etc -- Julian Using The Bat! v5.0.30 on Windows 7 6.1 Build 7600 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v5 Upgrade Experience
Hello Ian, Wednesday, January 4, 2012, 7:24:37 AM, you wrote: IAW RITLabs don't want to describe releases as BETA because they are not IAW betas. They describe them as ALPHA yet the list footer added keeps IAW saying An ALPHA version is a crude attempt at fixing bugs or adding new features. It will be tested thoroughly in-house, to see whether it fixes the issues addressed. Once the in-house testing has been completed successfully and the developers believe that everything works fine, a BETA version is released to external testers. The reason is that everybody uses a software differently, and even though the ALPHA testing concluded that all is fixed, BETA testers will invariably find things that haven't been fixed. Not so at Ritlabs. ALPHA versions (i.e. versions that have not been thoroughly tested in-house) are released to external BETA testers. Personally, I am not confident that filters for POP accounts work as reliably in v5 as they do in v4, but it isn't even adressed in BETA testing any more. I wouldn't dare trying a release version. Background: Some people advised on the BETA list that there are intermittent problems with filters. Nobody at Ritlabs cared. I have over 100 filters with several conditions each, sorting into well over 100 folders across several accounts, so this is a core issue for me. The very reason I bought TheBat! back in 1999 and kept contributing to the BETA list and kept upgrading was the superior filtering system. But if that is not a priority for Ritlabs any more, I wouldn't know why I should upgrade beyond the perfectly-working v4. The filters work great in v4 (the best POP client in the world) but are not 100% reliable in v5. I cannot afford to try v5 until it is confirmed that the filters for POP accounts are 100% reliable, as they are in v4. -- Cheers, Thomas. Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v5 Upgrade Experience
Hello TBUDL@thebat., Thursday, January 5, 2012, 2:50:14 AM, you wrote: TF Hello Ian, TF Wednesday, January 4, 2012, 7:24:37 AM, you wrote: IAW RITLabs don't want to describe releases as BETA because they are not IAW betas. They describe them as ALPHA yet the list footer added keeps IAW saying TF An ALPHA version is a crude attempt at fixing bugs or adding new TF features. It will be tested thoroughly in-house, to see whether it TF fixes the issues addressed. TF Once the in-house testing has been completed successfully and the TF developers believe that everything works fine, a BETA version is TF released to external testers. The reason is that everybody uses a TF software differently, and even though the ALPHA testing concluded that TF all is fixed, BETA testers will invariably find things that haven't TF been fixed. TF Not so at Ritlabs. ALPHA versions (i.e. versions that have not been TF thoroughly tested in-house) are released to external BETA testers. TF Personally, I am not confident that filters for POP accounts work as TF reliably in v5 as they do in v4, but it isn't even adressed in BETA TF testing any more. I wouldn't dare trying a release version. TF Background: Some people advised on the BETA list that there are TF intermittent problems with filters. Nobody at Ritlabs cared. I have TF over 100 filters with several conditions each, sorting into well over TF 100 folders across several accounts, so this is a core issue for me. TF The very reason I bought TheBat! back in 1999 and kept contributing to TF the BETA list and kept upgrading was the superior filtering system. TF But if that is not a priority for Ritlabs any more, I wouldn't know TF why I should upgrade beyond the perfectly-working v4. The filters work TF great in v4 (the best POP client in the world) but are not 100% TF reliable in v5. TF I cannot afford to try v5 until it is confirmed that the filters for TF POP accounts are 100% reliable, as they are in v4. Good luck. I installed version 5 yesterday relying on people's positive comments. I have only 5 sets of filters for one account, but all is working just fine. -- Paul - Using The Bat! v5.0.30 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 ...Ambivalent? Well, yes and no. Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v5 Upgrade Experience
Hello Paul, Thursday, January 5, 2012, 7:50:17 AM, you wrote: PB Good luck. PB I installed version 5 yesterday relying on people's positive comments. PB I have only 5 sets of filters for one account, but all is working just PB fine. Are you using POP or IMAP? -- Cheers, Thomas. Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v5 Upgrade Experience
TF I cannot afford to try v5 until it is confirmed that the filters for TF POP accounts are 100% reliable, as they are in v4. I installed version 5 yesterday relying on people's positive comments. I have only 5 sets of filters for one account, but all is working just fine. Good move - there are things that are being fixed, but I for one, am not having trouble with my filters. There are a couple of glitchy random things that happen and MAY be happening on just my computer -- Rick Wise men talk because they have something to say; fools talk because they have to say something v5.0.30.2 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v5 Upgrade Experience
Hello Rick, Thursday, January 5, 2012, 8:57:22 AM, you wrote: R Good move - there are things that are being fixed, but I for one, R am not having trouble with my filters. R There are a couple of glitchy random things that happen and MAY be R happening on just my computer POP or IMAP? -- Cheers, Thomas. Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v5 Upgrade Experience
R There are a couple of glitchy random things that happen and MAY be R happening on just my computer POP or IMAP? POP - they have fixed most of the IMAP issues -- Rick Not only is the universe stranger than we imagine, it is stranger than we can imagine. - Sir Arthur Eddington v5.0.30.2 (BETA) on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v5 Upgrade Experience
Hello TBUDL@thebat., Thursday, January 5, 2012, 11:44:46 AM, you wrote: TF Hello Paul, TF Thursday, January 5, 2012, 7:50:17 AM, you wrote: PB Good luck. PB I installed version 5 yesterday relying on people's positive comments. PB I have only 5 sets of filters for one account, but all is working just PB fine. TF Are you using POP or IMAP? POP. -- Paul - Using The Bat! v5.0.30 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 ...You can't have everything...where would you put it? Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v5 Upgrade Experience
On Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 11:44:45 AM, Julian Beach (Lists) wrote: So, if you are holding off on an upgrade because you are afraid that TB! v5 will not be as good as your current version, my experience is that the upgrade is painless. If you are expecting a new look and feel to the software, then v5 is probably not for you, however! I concur completely in your assessment of v5. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 5.0.30 on Windows Vista version 6,0 (Service Pack 2) Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: The Bat! v5 Upgrade Experience
On Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 11:44:45 AM, Julian Beach (Lists) wrote and to which Dwight Corinn concurred:: So, if you are holding off on an upgrade because you are afraid that TB! v5 will not be as good as your current version, my experience is that the upgrade is painless. If you are expecting a new look and feel to the software, then v5 is probably not for you, however! I concur completely in your assessment of v5. Several years ago I attempted to use IMAP with The Bat ver. 4.0.18. It did not work well. So, I reverted to POP and have had to bother with downloading e-mail to two separate pcs. Does ver. 5 now work better with IMAP? If I do switch to IMAP, will IMAP mail that is filtered appear to be merged seamlessly with mail that has already been downloaded and filtered to one of two dozen folders. -- Avi Avram L. Sacks Using The Bat ver 4.0.18 on Win XP Pro sp3 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v5 Upgrade Experience
On Tue, 2012-01-03, Dwight Corrin wrote: On Tuesday, January 3, 2012, 11:44:45 AM, Julian Beach (Lists) wrote: So, if you are holding off on an upgrade because you are afraid that TB! v5 will not be as good as your current version, my experience is that the upgrade is painless. If you are expecting a new look and feel to the software, then v5 is probably not for you, however! I concur completely in your assessment of v5. One minor nit! I went to the (Help | Check for Updates) option and it said there was an update available (5.0.30) so I went to the web page and there I was presented with a choice: Professional or Home Edition? I have no idea! Checking (Help | About) says I have version 5.0.20.1 with a single-computer licence. Does this mean I have the Home Edition? -- Bill McQuillan bill.mcquil...@pobox.com Using The Bat! 5.0.20.1 on Windows 7 6.1 build 7601-Service Pack 1 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: The Bat! v5 Upgrade Experience
Hello TBUDL, I have been using TB! for many years (12+), but have been holding off upgrading to Version 5 because of the various problems that I have seen reported here and on TBBETA, particularly with IMAP. I have 9 IMAP accounts, including a GMail account, so I was worried about how well v5 would work. I thought that those of you who have similar concerns about v5 might be interested in the results. With the latest new version notification (5.0.30) I decided to take the plunge. I have been very pleased with the results. Everything continued to work as it should and the differences that I have found so far have been positive rather than negative. In fact, there are few obvious differences in my normal use of the software - it looks and operates almost exactly the same way. So, if you are holding off on an upgrade because you are afraid that TB! v5 will not be as good as your current version, my experience is that the upgrade is painless. If you are expecting a new look and feel to the software, then v5 is probably not for you, however! Julian I TOTALLY agree, although there are things they are still tweaking -- Rick The fragrance always stays in the hand that gives the rose. - Hada Bejar v5.0.30 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 3 Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
