Re: [teampractices] Setting norms for points field in Phabricator

2016-02-19 Thread Antoine Musso
Le 18/02/2016 20:05, Joel Aufrecht wrote: > The points field is now global to all tasks, raising some interesting > questions: > > 1) What do engineers/product owners (staff or otherwise) working on > tasks do when community members set or change points? I would not differentiate between an organ

Re: [teampractices] Setting norms for points field in Phabricator

2016-02-19 Thread Kevin Smith
I agree with most of what has been said here. My only concern/suggestion from the original post is that the guidelines about who should enter point values need to avoid putting staff in a special category. The last thing we need right now is to put up barriers between staff and community. David's

Re: [teampractices] Setting norms for points field in Phabricator

2016-02-18 Thread David Strine
+1 and to build on Bryan's comment: It may help to have a cross team task with linked subtasks for individual teams. A specific subtask can be estimated in the context of the team who owns it. I would also want to leave this point up to the teams who share the work. I don't think anyone is going t

Re: [teampractices] Setting norms for points field in Phabricator

2016-02-18 Thread Bryan Davis
On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 12:54 PM, James Forrester wrote: > This is mostly an issue for tasks that sit in multiple teams' boxes. For VE > I've 'til-now set these to 0 if externally blocked (e.g. > https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119780 ), but that only works if the > other team(s) involved don't

Re: [teampractices] Setting norms for points field in Phabricator

2016-02-18 Thread James Forrester
This is mostly an issue for tasks that sit in multiple teams' boxes. For VE I've 'til-now set these to 0 if externally blocked (e.g. https://phabricator.wikimedia.org/T119780 ), but that only works if the other team(s) involved don't want to set points themselves. When points were only available t

Re: [teampractices] Setting norms for points field in Phabricator

2016-02-18 Thread Max Binder
> > What should we do about making points consistent across teams? To clarify, do you mean teams using the same points to mean the same thing? Currently, I suspect teams use points to mean different things (Team A says 5 points is "a day's work" while Team B says 5 points is "two day's work" whil

Re: [teampractices] Setting norms for points field in Phabricator

2016-02-18 Thread Adam Baso
I agree with what you say about points should be estimated by the engineers and points comparisons are verboten. On Thu, Feb 18, 2016 at 11:05 AM, Joel Aufrecht wrote: > The points field is now global to all tasks, raising some interesting > questions: > > 1) What do engineers/product owners (st

[teampractices] Setting norms for points field in Phabricator

2016-02-18 Thread Joel Aufrecht
The points field is now global to all tasks, raising some interesting questions: 1) What do engineers/product owners (staff or otherwise) working on tasks do when community members set or change points? 2) What should we do about making points consistent across teams? My initial thoughts/proposa