Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-15 Thread Eichert, Diana
As Bob alluded to, corp scanning is a Dot the I, Cross the T accounting measure. If you want to make them happy, make them happy. It doesn't take much to determine what the src ip is for a scan engine. I leave the rest to you. diana

Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-14 Thread Bob Beck
On 14 March 2010 11:37, Steve Shockley wrote: > On 3/13/2010 10:57 AM, Bob Beck wrote: >> >> you're going >> to spend a lot of time jerking off instead of basing anything on >> reality. > > So, you'd be a masturbating monkey? > > Well, I am an OpenBSD developer after all.. So doesn't that go with

Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-14 Thread Steve Shockley
On 3/13/2010 10:57 AM, Bob Beck wrote: you're going to spend a lot of time jerking off instead of basing anything on reality. So, you'd be a masturbating monkey?

Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-13 Thread Toni Mueller
On Fri, 12.03.2010 at 13:28:07 -0700, kj...@pintday.org wrote: > > Very good suggestion, indeed. -20 I'm impartial, though, as I don't use the default configuration, anyway. I think it's rather a non-issue. > > Especially, if someone has a 'dangerous' file, a PHP Shell for instance, > > (a per

Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-13 Thread Bob Beck
> I understand what you say and I appreciate you taking the time to write. > Hiding files or pretending others can't see them doesn't make us more > secure. > > I guess the real issue is that sometimes people use check lists. Items > such as this are on those lists. Technical people are asked to ma

Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-13 Thread Bob Beck
> My apologies. The look on the Linux peoples faces when they see all of > these OpenBSD boxes with *0* vulnerabilities compared to the 200 to 300 > of their own drove me to it. I'll not do it again. > The problem is you are equating vulnerability scanners - which are a product of script kiddies t

Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-13 Thread Brad Tilley
On Sat, 13 Mar 2010 17:12 +0200, "Lars Nooden" wrote: > Brad and Ozgur, > > If your file is in the server's document root, then it is published [1]. > For whatever reason, a lot of C-Levels act as if they are unclear on > that. There is also often the false belief among them that security and >

Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-13 Thread Lars Nooden
Brad and Ozgur, If your file is in the server's document root, then it is published [1]. For whatever reason, a lot of C-Levels act as if they are unclear on that. There is also often the false belief among them that security and usability are mutually exclusive. I don't understand the rules in

Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-12 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2010/03/13 03:19, Ozgur Kazancci wrote: > > Yes we are, while we are at it we can ship an http.conf file that wil > > only listen on port 8000 on localhost when the daemon comes up as > > well, and that would be super obscure as well, and it would only read > > index files ending in .HolyFuck, a

Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-12 Thread Brad Tilley
On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 19:21 -0700, "Theo de Raadt" wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:25 -0700, "Theo de Raadt" > > wrote: > > > That's a lot of words. > > > > > > The default configuration is not going to be changed in this way. > > > > To be honest, my patch is selfish. I get perfect vulnerabili

Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-12 Thread Theo de Raadt
> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:25 -0700, "Theo de Raadt" > wrote: > > That's a lot of words. > > > > The default configuration is not going to be changed in this way. > > To be honest, my patch is selfish. I get perfect vulnerability > assessment scores on OpenBSD boxes when doing vulnerability scans

Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-12 Thread Brad Tilley
On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 18:25 -0700, "Theo de Raadt" wrote: > That's a lot of words. > > The default configuration is not going to be changed in this way. To be honest, my patch is selfish. I get perfect vulnerability assessment scores on OpenBSD boxes when doing vulnerability scans until I enable A

Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-12 Thread Theo de Raadt
> > Yes we are, while we are at it we can ship an http.conf file that wil > > only listen on port 8000 on localhost when the daemon comes up as > > well, and that would be super obscure as well, and it would only read > > index files ending in .HolyFuck, and we'd ship a mime types > > where HolyFuc

Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-12 Thread Ozgur Kazancci
> Yes we are, while we are at it we can ship an http.conf file that wil > only listen on port 8000 on localhost when the daemon comes up as > well, and that would be super obscure as well, and it would only read > index files ending in .HolyFuck, and we'd ship a mime types > where HolyFuck was html

Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-12 Thread Brad Tilley
On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:44 -0700, "Bob Beck" wrote: > What in god's name do you need sshv1 for anymore? What client are you > using that still > uses it? how old and vulnerable is it? That was my hyperbole... remember? Apache 1.3.x anyone? Brad

Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-12 Thread Bob Beck
> Turn SSHv1 back on please why do you force me to twist that knob! That's > some hyperbole of my own ;) Alright, I give up. Turning the option off > manually works for me. I don't want or need it and I assumed other > OpenBSD folks would feel the same. Not being able to get directory indexes of m

Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-12 Thread Bob Beck
> Apache comes up and works fine with Indexes off (for me at least). > Well, having indexes on is much nicer for having it do things like, install OpenBSD from.

Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-12 Thread J.C. Roberts
On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:17:51 -0700 Bob Beck wrote: > Off is off. don't make it where you have to turn 8 knobs to turn > something on. because you wanted it "more off". Alternatively, you could make the user turn 8 knobs to turn something "moron" ;) (sorry, couldn't resist)

Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-12 Thread Brad Tilley
On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:17 -0700, "Bob Beck" wrote: > >> > >> It *IS* off by default. I have yet to see an OpenBSD machine that I > >> can install that > >> will come up with httpd turned on. > > > > We are not talking about the same thing. I understand that httpd is off > > by default. The *optio

Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-12 Thread Bob Beck
>> It *IS* off by default. I have yet to see an OpenBSD machine that I >> can install that >> will come up with httpd turned on. > > We are not talking about the same thing. I understand that httpd is off > by default. The *option* is on by default in the config file. > Yes we are, while we are a

Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-12 Thread Theo de Raadt
> On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:05 -0700, "Bob Beck" wrote: > > On 12 March 2010 12:53, Brad Tilley wrote: > > > On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:10 -0800, "patrick keshishian" > > > wrote: > > >> does disabling this option /really/ improve security? > > > > > > No, not unless you consider keeping files that are

Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-12 Thread Brad Tilley
On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 16:05 -0700, "Bob Beck" wrote: > On 12 March 2010 12:53, Brad Tilley wrote: > > On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:10 -0800, "patrick keshishian" > > wrote: > >> does disabling this option /really/ improve security? > > > > No, not unless you consider keeping files that are > > inappropr

Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-12 Thread Bob Beck
On 12 March 2010 12:53, Brad Tilley wrote: > On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:10 -0800, "patrick keshishian" > wrote: >> does disabling this option /really/ improve security? > > No, not unless you consider keeping files that are > inappropriately/accidentally copied to these directories a security > issue

Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-12 Thread Ted Unangst
On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 3:28 PM, wrote: >> Very good suggestion, indeed. >> >> Especially, if someone has a 'dangerous' file, a PHP Shell for instance, >> (a perfect example: >> http://mgeisler.net/downloads/phpshell/phpshell-1.7.tar.gz) >> inside such a directory. (Or even maybe a simple file u

Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-12 Thread Ozgur Kazancci
> Also, think "emacs-turdfile". Have any config.php~ lying around? > > or index.php~? > > Are you SURE? > Sorry for the lack of explanation. I was meaning a server where you've thousands of vhosts/users exist. Yes, you can disable the indexing. Yes, you can activate the PHP's safe_mode, but...

Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-12 Thread kjell
> Very good suggestion, indeed. > > Especially, if someone has a 'dangerous' file, a PHP Shell for instance, > (a perfect example: > http://mgeisler.net/downloads/phpshell/phpshell-1.7.tar.gz) > inside such a directory. (Or even maybe a simple file uploader, that will > help the attacker to uplo

Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-12 Thread Miod Vallat
> > It seems inline with OpenBSD's off by default posture, that is > > the only reason I suggested it. > > Very good suggestion, indeed. > > Especially, if someone has a 'dangerous' file, a PHP Shell for instance, Anything PHP is dangerous. But there is a perfect cure for these files, known as t

Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-12 Thread Ozgur Kazancci
> It seems inline with OpenBSD's off by default posture, that is > the only reason I suggested it. Very good suggestion, indeed. Especially, if someone has a 'dangerous' file, a PHP Shell for instance, (a perfect example: http://mgeisler.net/downloads/phpshell/phpshell-1.7.tar.gz) inside such a d

Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-12 Thread Brad Tilley
On Fri, 12 Mar 2010 10:10 -0800, "patrick keshishian" wrote: > does disabling this option /really/ improve security? No, not unless you consider keeping files that are inappropriately/accidentally copied to these directories a security issue. It seems inline with OpenBSD's off by default posture,

Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-12 Thread Bob Beck
Nope. On 12 March 2010 11:10, patrick keshishian wrote: > does disabling this option /really/ improve security? > > > On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Brad Tilley wrote: >> When ran against default OpenBSD servers that have Apache enabled, >> vulnerability assessment software (Nessus, Rapid7, et

Re: suggested patch to httpd.conf in base

2010-03-12 Thread patrick keshishian
does disabling this option /really/ improve security? On Fri, Mar 12, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Brad Tilley wrote: > When ran against default OpenBSD servers that have Apache enabled, > vulnerability assessment software (Nessus, Rapid7, etc.) complain about > "browesable web directories". The concern is