Re: rwho on OpenBSD 5.6

2014-11-10 Thread Adam
Useful and clean. Just like they are at the moment. Personally, I would rather it be complete with pitfalls that may be encountered during an upgrade, that need manual resolution. As far as I am aware, deleting some files that require manual execution in the first place isn't much of a

Re: rwho on OpenBSD 5.6

2014-11-10 Thread Ted Unangst
On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 23:44, Nick Holland wrote: own. You will have a lot of testing to do. You will note that while deleting rwhod was undoubtedly exciting for developers, actually putting it on current.html -- so I could put it on upgrade56.html -- was not nearly as much fun and never

Re: rwho on OpenBSD 5.6

2014-11-10 Thread Theo de Raadt
On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 23:44, Nick Holland wrote: own. You will have a lot of testing to do. You will note that while deleting rwhod was undoubtedly exciting for developers, actually putting it on current.html -- so I could put it on upgrade56.html -- was not nearly as much fun and never

rwho on OpenBSD 5.6

2014-11-09 Thread Sören Tempel
Hi all, I just updated to OpenBSD 5.6 and I was happy to see that rcp, rsh, rshd, rwho, rwhod, etc have been removed (at least according to the Changelog). However, the upgrade instructions fail to mention that files like /etc/rc.d/rwhod or /usr/bin/rwho should be removed. Sören.

Re: rwho on OpenBSD 5.6

2014-11-09 Thread Theo de Raadt
I just updated to OpenBSD 5.6 and I was happy to see that rcp, rsh, rshd, rwho, rwhod, etc have been removed (at least according to the Changelog). However, the upgrade instructions fail to mention that files like /etc/rc.d/rwhod or /usr/bin/rwho should be removed. How much of a catastrophy is

Re: rwho on OpenBSD 5.6

2014-11-09 Thread Job Snijders
On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 01:36:59PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: I just updated to OpenBSD 5.6 and I was happy to see that rcp, rsh, rshd, rwho, rwhod, etc have been removed (at least according to the Changelog). However, the upgrade instructions fail to mention that files like /etc/rc.d/rwhod

Re: rwho on OpenBSD 5.6

2014-11-09 Thread Eric JACQUOT
Le Dimanche 9 Novembre 2014 21:36 CET, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org a écrit: I just updated to OpenBSD 5.6 and I was happy to see that rcp, rsh, rshd, rwho, rwhod, etc have been removed (at least according to the Changelog). However, the upgrade instructions fail to mention that

Re: rwho on OpenBSD 5.6

2014-11-09 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2014/11/09 22:08, Job Snijders wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 01:36:59PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: I just updated to OpenBSD 5.6 and I was happy to see that rcp, rsh, rshd, rwho, rwhod, etc have been removed (at least according to the Changelog). However, the upgrade instructions fail

Re: rwho on OpenBSD 5.6

2014-11-09 Thread Martin Brandenburg
Stuart Henderson st...@openbsd.org wrote: On 2014/11/09 22:08, Job Snijders wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 01:36:59PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: I just updated to OpenBSD 5.6 and I was happy to see that rcp, rsh, rshd, rwho, rwhod, etc have been removed (at least according to the

Re: rwho on OpenBSD 5.6

2014-11-09 Thread Stuart Henderson
On 2014/11/09 21:41, Martin Brandenburg wrote: Stuart Henderson st...@openbsd.org wrote: On 2014/11/09 22:08, Job Snijders wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 01:36:59PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: I just updated to OpenBSD 5.6 and I was happy to see that rcp, rsh, rshd, rwho, rwhod,

Re: rwho on OpenBSD 5.6

2014-11-09 Thread Job Snijders
On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 10:02:32PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: I was answering the specific point about the _exact_ same state as a clean 5.6 installation there. There are some specific cases where it makes a lot of sense to tell people to rm things (e.g. base program moved to ports). And

Re: rwho on OpenBSD 5.6

2014-11-09 Thread Theo de Raadt
On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 10:02:32PM +, Stuart Henderson wrote: I was answering the specific point about the _exact_ same state as a clean 5.6 installation there. There are some specific cases where it makes a lot of sense to tell people to rm things (e.g. base program moved to ports). And

Re: rwho on OpenBSD 5.6

2014-11-09 Thread Theo de Raadt
On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 01:36:59PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: I just updated to OpenBSD 5.6 and I was happy to see that rcp, rsh, rshd, rwho, rwhod, etc have been removed (at least according to the Changelog). However, the upgrade instructions fail to mention that files like /etc/rc.d/rwhod

Re: rwho on OpenBSD 5.6

2014-11-09 Thread Michael Kennett
On Mon, Nov 10, 2014 at 7:36 AM, Theo de Raadt dera...@cvs.openbsd.org wrote: Question for the community: Do you want the upgrade instructions to be 100% useful, or 100% complete? Neither; 100% is unrealistic. Getting '90%' on either measure exceeds my expectations. The only expectation

Re: rwho on OpenBSD 5.6

2014-11-09 Thread Eric JACQUOT
Neither; 100% is unrealistic. Getting '90%' on either measure exceeds my expectations. The same percentage of flights would be acceptable? I think that problem has been highlighted and we now belongs to all users to check and submit oversights. My 2 cents, Regards, -- Eric JACQUOT

Re: rwho on OpenBSD 5.6

2014-11-09 Thread Michael Kennett
Agreed that 100% is the goal - and I'm prepared to try and help achieve this. I already think what is done is pretty damn good - it far exceeds *my* expectations. You've obviously never flown in Australia. 100% of flights *do not* leave on time. There are errors and glitches - but fortunately

Re: rwho on OpenBSD 5.6

2014-11-09 Thread Nick Holland
On 11/09/14 16:07, Job Snijders wrote: On Sun, Nov 09, 2014 at 01:36:59PM -0700, Theo de Raadt wrote: I just updated to OpenBSD 5.6 and I was happy to see that rcp, rsh, rshd, rwho, rwhod, etc have been removed (at least according to the Changelog). However, the upgrade instructions fail to

Re: rwho on OpenBSD 5.6

2014-11-09 Thread Theo de Raadt
Getting back to topic, is having an old binary (rwhod) not deleted during an upgrade catastrophic? I don't think so. You would be mistaken. Wars have been fought over less -- by the absolutists.