re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD

2015-03-27 Thread matthew green
Maxime Villard writes: Le 22/03/2015 19:27, Jean-Yves Migeon a écrit : Le 20/03/2015 17:44, Maxime Villard a écrit : In fact, I have a better solution. What about adding a .enabled={0;1} sysctl to each compat module? This way the Linux/FreeBSD modules are available by default, but not

Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD

2015-02-15 Thread Maxime Villard
Le 14/02/2015 08:40, David Holland a écrit : On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 07:05:00PM +0100, Maxime Villard wrote: Our norms for significant changes are more or less about consensus or preponderance of opinion. So far you've said that you want to remove/disable this, and a number of people

Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD

2015-02-13 Thread Maxime Villard
Le 09/02/2015 10:12, Marc Balmer a écrit : I intend to remove the compat-FreeBSD support from the system. [...] This is what motivates my proposal. Ok? Generally it would be a good idea, but there are obviously some tw_cli users. So they need a working alternative first, imo. Maybe

Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD

2015-02-13 Thread Maxime Villard
Le 13/02/2015 13:33, Marc Balmer a écrit : Am 13.02.15 um 12:34 schrieb Maxime Villard: Le 09/02/2015 10:12, Marc Balmer a écrit : I intend to remove the compat-FreeBSD support from the system. [...] This is what motivates my proposal. Ok? Generally it would be a good idea, but there

Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD

2015-02-13 Thread Maxime Villard
Apparently, compat-FreeBSD is needed by tw_cli users. Therefore I think I will just disable it by default in the GENERIC kernels, unless anyone disagrees. Le 07/02/2015 12:19, Maxime Villard a écrit : Hi, I intend to remove the compat-FreeBSD support from the system. It has a limited

Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD

2015-02-13 Thread Greg Troxel
Maxime Villard m...@m00nbsd.net writes: Apparently, compat-FreeBSD is needed by tw_cli users. Therefore I think I will just disable it by default in the GENERIC kernels, unless anyone disagrees. Our norms for significant changes are more or less about consensus or preponderance of opinion.

Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD

2015-02-13 Thread Marc Balmer
Am 13.02.15 um 12:35 schrieb Maxime Villard: Apparently, compat-FreeBSD is needed by tw_cli users. Therefore I think I will just disable it by default in the GENERIC kernels, unless anyone disagrees. I disagree. People still use it.

Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD

2015-02-13 Thread Michael van Elst
jo...@britannica.bec.de (Joerg Sonnenberger) writes: ... As such I find disabling COMPAT_FREEBSD by default a very good idea for increasing the visibility of the problem. Disabling it by default makes it invisible and forces it to bitrot. And I tend to believe that that's the intention behind

Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD

2015-02-13 Thread Quentin Garnier
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 07:05:00PM +0100, Maxime Villard wrote: Le 13/02/2015 15:26, Greg Troxel a écrit : Maxime Villard m...@m00nbsd.net writes: Apparently, compat-FreeBSD is needed by tw_cli users. Therefore I think I will just disable it by default in the GENERIC kernels,

Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD

2015-02-13 Thread Taylor R Campbell
Date: Fri, 13 Feb 2015 20:24:19 +0100 From: Joerg Sonnenberger jo...@britannica.bec.de On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 09:26:48AM -0500, Greg Troxel wrote: Our norms for significant changes are more or less about consensus or preponderance of opinion. So far you've said that you want to

Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD

2015-02-13 Thread Joerg Sonnenberger
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 09:26:48AM -0500, Greg Troxel wrote: Maxime Villard m...@m00nbsd.net writes: Apparently, compat-FreeBSD is needed by tw_cli users. Therefore I think I will just disable it by default in the GENERIC kernels, unless anyone disagrees. Our norms for significant

Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD

2015-02-13 Thread Kamil Rytarowski
Greg Troxel wrote: Maxime Villard m...@m00nbsd.net writes: Apparently, compat-FreeBSD is needed by tw_cli users. Therefore I think I will just disable it by default in the GENERIC kernels, unless anyone disagrees. Our norms for significant changes are more or less about consensus or

Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD

2015-02-13 Thread Christos Zoulas
In article 20150213192419.gb5...@britannica.bec.de, Joerg Sonnenberger jo...@britannica.bec.de wrote: On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 09:26:48AM -0500, Greg Troxel wrote: Maxime Villard m...@m00nbsd.net writes: Apparently, compat-FreeBSD is needed by tw_cli users. Therefore I think I will just

Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD

2015-02-13 Thread Brian Buhrow
. I think a better fix would be to update the man pages so they document how fragile the FreeBSD compatibility code is. -thanks -Brian On Feb 13, 12:35pm, Maxime Villard wrote: } Subject: Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD } Apparently, compat-FreeBSD is needed by tw_cli users. } } Therefore I think I

Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD

2015-02-13 Thread Matt Thomas
On Feb 13, 2015, at 2:14 PM, Christos Zoulas chris...@astron.com wrote: In article 20150213192419.gb5...@britannica.bec.de, Joerg Sonnenberger jo...@britannica.bec.de wrote: I have asked the same question a long time ago when we pruned a bunch of other obsolete emulations. From a

Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD

2015-02-13 Thread Marc Balmer
Am 13.02.15 um 12:34 schrieb Maxime Villard: Le 09/02/2015 10:12, Marc Balmer a écrit : I intend to remove the compat-FreeBSD support from the system. [...] This is what motivates my proposal. Ok? Generally it would be a good idea, but there are obviously some tw_cli users. So they

Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD

2015-02-13 Thread Eric Haszlakiewicz
On February 13, 2015 9:36:13 PM EST, Brian Buhrow buh...@nfbcal.org wrote: Hello. The point I was trying to make is that if you break COMPAT_FREEBSD by taking it out of the GENERIC kernel, you lose the ability to manage the twa(4) or twe(4) cards through the OS unless you recompile a

Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD

2015-02-13 Thread Brian Buhrow
as unfortunate. -Brian On Feb 13, 9:25pm, Eric Haszlakiewicz wrote: } Subject: Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD } On February 13, 2015 6:46:52 PM EST, Brian Buhrow buh...@nfbcal.org wrote: } If you are going to disable COMPAT_FREEBSD in GENERIC kernels, then } you probably also need to disable twe(4

Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD

2015-02-13 Thread Christos Zoulas
In article 201502132346.t1dnkqgd005...@lothlorien.nfbcal.org, Brian Buhrow buh...@nfbcal.org wrote: If you are going to disable COMPAT_FREEBSD in GENERIC kernels, then you probably also need to disable twe(4) and twa(4) as well. I would not be in favor of this. Several people have

Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD

2015-02-13 Thread Eric Haszlakiewicz
On February 13, 2015 6:46:52 PM EST, Brian Buhrow buh...@nfbcal.org wrote: If you are going to disable COMPAT_FREEBSD in GENERIC kernels, then you probably also need to disable twe(4) and twa(4) as well. I would not be in favor of this. Several people have written saying they use tw_cli.

Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD

2015-02-13 Thread David Holland
On Fri, Feb 13, 2015 at 07:05:00PM +0100, Maxime Villard wrote: Our norms for significant changes are more or less about consensus or preponderance of opinion. So far you've said that you want to remove/disable this, and a number of people have said they use it. No one else has spoke

Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD

2015-02-09 Thread Marc Balmer
I intend to remove the compat-FreeBSD support from the system. [...] This is what motivates my proposal. Ok? Generally it would be a good idea, but there are obviously some tw_cli users. So they need a working alternative first, imo. Maybe 3Ware would help, if being asked?

Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD

2015-02-09 Thread Emmanuel Dreyfus
On Sat, Feb 07, 2015 at 12:19:36PM +0100, Maxime Villard wrote: I intend to remove the compat-FreeBSD support from the system. Others said it, and so do I: I use compat_freebsd for tw_cli. IIRC it the Linux flavor did not work easily. -- Emmanuel Dreyfus m...@netbsd.org

Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD

2015-02-07 Thread Stephen Borrill
On Sat, 7 Feb 2015, Maxime Villard wrote: I intend to remove the compat-FreeBSD support from the system. Can tw_cli be run in any other way to manage 3ware RAID cards? -- Stephen

Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD

2015-02-07 Thread Manuel Bouyer
On Sat, Feb 07, 2015 at 12:19:36PM +0100, Maxime Villard wrote: Hi, I intend to remove the compat-FreeBSD support from the system. please don't, I'm using it. It has a limited interest since no major proprietary software is developed on FreeBSD; if one were, it would certainly be available

Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD

2015-02-07 Thread Manuel Bouyer
On Sat, Feb 07, 2015 at 12:58:36PM +0100, Maxime Villard wrote: I use a freebsd binary daily, on a netbsd-6 host. I guess it's an old binary then? /usr/local/sbin/tw_cli: ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (FreeBSD), statically linked, for FreeBSD 5.4, stripped -- Manuel

Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD

2015-02-07 Thread Maxime Villard
Le 07/02/2015 12:51, Manuel Bouyer a écrit : On Sat, Feb 07, 2015 at 12:19:36PM +0100, Maxime Villard wrote: Hi, I intend to remove the compat-FreeBSD support from the system. please don't, I'm using it. It has a limited interest since no major proprietary software is developed on

Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD

2015-02-07 Thread Kamil Rytarowski
Maxime Villard wrote: Hi, I intend to remove the compat-FreeBSD support from the system. Please don't do it.

Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD

2015-02-07 Thread Justin Cormack
On 7 February 2015 at 11:33, Stephen Borrill net...@precedence.co.uk wrote: On Sat, 7 Feb 2015, Maxime Villard wrote: I intend to remove the compat-FreeBSD support from the system. Can tw_cli be run in any other way to manage 3ware RAID cards? Does the Linux binary for tw_cli work? Or are

Re: Removal of compat-FreeBSD

2015-02-07 Thread Manuel Bouyer
On Sat, Feb 07, 2015 at 03:44:43PM +, Justin Cormack wrote: On 7 February 2015 at 11:33, Stephen Borrill net...@precedence.co.uk wrote: On Sat, 7 Feb 2015, Maxime Villard wrote: I intend to remove the compat-FreeBSD support from the system. Can tw_cli be run in any other way to